Tombstone From Script to Screen: The Making of a Western Classic
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This podcast episode delves into the intricate analysis of the film "Tombstone," highlighting its profound cultural and historical significance. I articulate that examining a movie at a mechanical level can yield substantial insights, particularly with a film that resonates deeply with audiences. We examine the juxtaposition of critical reception versus fan admiration, revealing a notable disparity where critics rated it 74%, while fan approval soared to 94%. The episode further explores the dynamics of character portrayals, particularly the iconic figures of Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday, and their evolution throughout the narrative. We also reflect on the film's stylistic choices, quotable dialogue, and the thematic exploration of identity and morality within the context of the American West, ultimately affirming "Tombstone" as a quintessential cinematic experience.
A meticulous examination of the cinematic masterpiece "Tombstone" reveals a rich tapestry of themes and character arcs that transcend mere storytelling. The film, set against the backdrop of the American West, chronicles the tumultuous life of Wyatt Earp, played by Kurt Russell, as he navigates the treacherous waters of lawlessness and personal vendetta. Earp's journey is marked by a profound inner conflict; he grapples with the duality of his nature as both a lawman and a reluctant participant in violence. The film intricately weaves historical events with dramatic embellishments, creating a narrative that is both entertaining and thought-provoking. The dialogue is replete with quotable lines that have embedded themselves into popular culture, exemplifying the film's impact and legacy. As the plot unfolds, viewers are introduced to a cast of characters, including the enigmatic Doc Holliday, whose friendship with Earp serves as a catalyst for much of the narrative tension. The film's exploration of themes such as loyalty, justice, and the quest for redemption is conveyed through masterful cinematography and a haunting score that accentuates the emotional weight of the story. Ultimately, "Tombstone" is not merely a recounting of historical events but a profound exploration of the human condition, encapsulated in the struggles of its deeply flawed yet relatable characters.
Takeaways:
- The exploration of the film Tombstone reveals profound insights when analyzed at a mechanical level.
- The budget of Tombstone was approximately twenty-five million dollars, with a box office grossing over fifty-six million.
- Historical inaccuracies in films like Tombstone can lead to misinterpretations of real-life events surrounding Wyatt Earp.
- The character dynamics in Tombstone highlight the complexity of friendship and loyalty during tumultuous times in the Old West.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Tombstone
- Wyatt Earp
- Doc Holliday
- Curly Bill
- Johnny Ringo
- Josephine
- Milt Joyce
- Billy Bob Thornton
- Kevin Costner
- George P. Cosmatos
- Tom Mix
- Bruce Willis
- James Garner
- Kurt Russell
- Stephen Lang
Mentioned in this episode:
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Transcript
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Speaker B:Studying a movie in the mechanical level, I think can really bring some revelations.
Speaker C:I believe that no one says that to make a bad movie with the exception of.
Speaker D:On paper.
Speaker D:This should work.
Speaker B:This should work.
Speaker D:I just don't like it.
Speaker A:That's your own fault if you haven't seen it.
Speaker B:Way over budget.
Speaker B:Start cutting scenes.
Speaker B:Even the actors don't know what that movie is about.
Speaker B:Shit, I wish I wrote that.
Speaker C:Which I love the title, but that movie's trash.
Speaker B:Well, it's Omeo, man.
Speaker B:It's good for you.
Speaker B:Okay, here we are.
Speaker B:Fellowship of the real.
Speaker B:This was Sherry's pick Tombstone.
Speaker B:And I think on some level it was all our picks.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker D:Oh, it was one of those ones that had to be done.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is a.
Speaker B:There are certain movies that almost hesitate to review because of their epicness.
Speaker B:Like this is probably easily in my top.
Speaker B:In my top five of all time, you know, so this is almost like a banner edition review because it's such a noteworthy and favorite movie of mine and a lot of people's or whatever we will talk about.
Speaker B:I got the box office and the money.
Speaker B:Craigs fans, the budget of this movie.
Speaker B:Sorry, I got away from the mic.
Speaker B:The budget of this movie was 25 million and box office was 56,505,000.
Speaker B:Now I have it.
Speaker B:Being released 100% domestically and no international release.
Speaker B:That kind of surprised me that it was not ever released anywhere else but the US.
Speaker D:That'S shocking to me.
Speaker D:I didn't know that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it made it doubled its money, but only released domestically.
Speaker B:I would have thought it would have made a lot of money.
Speaker B:More.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I wonder how standard that is with like westerns.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like maybe westerners just don't.
Speaker B:Because it's so uniquely American.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well, I also wonder.
Speaker D:This was filmed at the same time as Wyatt Earp.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So I wonder if Wyatt Earp was released domestically only as well.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's a good question, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:But yeah, that's why they had such a hard time with costumes on both movies and set decorators.
Speaker B:Oh, is that right?
Speaker D:Yeah, we're just split.
Speaker D:They were filming at the exact same.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker B:So it made its money back.
Speaker B:Doubled its money.
Speaker B:Being hampered a little bit maybe by the domestic only release, but I don't know, like you said, how.
Speaker B:How it would appeal worldwide being such a uniquely American genre.
Speaker B:The critics.
Speaker B:This surprised me a little bit.
Speaker B:The critics gave it.
Speaker B:It's a 74% tomato reading on the critics.
Speaker B:Meaning 74% of the critics gave it three stars or above.
Speaker B:But fans, almost universally, 94%, three stars and above.
Speaker B:So fans.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Almost to each one.
Speaker B:Love this movie.
Speaker B:Critics were decent with it.
Speaker B:I made a joke when I was watching this that I think there is a cool line about every 12 seconds in this movie.
Speaker D:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker C:You know, it's one of the most quotable movies.
Speaker B:The only other movie that I probably would think would be more quotable or as quotable is probably Princess Bride and maybe Big Lebowski.
Speaker B:But this movie, I'm not kidding.
Speaker B:Like, I found myself, you know, quoting it as it.
Speaker B:As it was going.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And every minute or so, there's this.
Speaker B:Just this amazing, cool, slick line.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:That's how I took my notes, was action scene happens and then the cool line.
Speaker D:Yeah, action scene happens and then the cool lines, and it's.
Speaker D:It's so awesome.
Speaker C:All of my.
Speaker C:All of my.
Speaker C:All of my notes are like that.
Speaker C:Actually, not necessarily a cool line, but, like, I've noticed that, like, lines of dialogue.
Speaker C:Well, like, a lot of my notes are.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Peppered with lines of dialogue and.
Speaker C:Because either the dialogue is leading to, you know, one of the beats, or it's just.
Speaker C:Just a cool line in general.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I found that we could.
Speaker B:We could almost do this podcast of just going around and quoting the lines.
Speaker D:Until we'll just do a radio play of the movie.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:Well, I was.
Speaker D:I was gonna say maybe as part of the.
Speaker D:The critics and the fans, this might be one of those examples of it's a great movie, but may not work linearly in the story.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like, it's not.
Speaker D:What were you.
Speaker D:What were you saying before?
Speaker D:Like, it's not structured.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I had.
Speaker B:I struggled with the structure of this, but I.
Speaker B:But I was never bored, so.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:That may be.
Speaker D:This may be a good example of something that's not exactly 100%, but it's still awesome and a fan favorite.
Speaker D:I think I had trouble with some of my notes of, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think the style carries the style.
Speaker B:This movie is so stylish.
Speaker B:It carries the day.
Speaker B:Every single.
Speaker B:There's not a weak actor in this movie as far as playing it to the hilt.
Speaker A:Okay, well, y' all.
Speaker A:Y' all were talking about it as a movie, and of course, I love it, and I think about the history of it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:And that was one thing I wanted to make sure that I said is you can read about history, but movies like this actually bring that history.
Speaker A:You know, you.
Speaker A:You get to that peek into history, you Almost travel back in time with it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:A lot of it is fairly accurate as far as.
Speaker A:Well, and that's what I was going to add that.
Speaker A:But it's not 100% correct to.
Speaker A:To the Earp story.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it also led us to.
Speaker A:I know you've been to Tombstone three times.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I've been twice of those two.
Speaker A:Those three times with you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And it is worth visiting in person.
Speaker A:We also visited Wyatt Earp's grave.
Speaker A:And what is Jolie.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:Josephine.
Speaker A:Josephine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I want to call her Jolene.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're buried side by side.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:At Colton.
Speaker B:Colton.
Speaker B:Coleman.
Speaker B:Colton, California.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Out of San Francisco.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I mean, that's what I.
Speaker A:I look at is.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's about history.
Speaker A:It's not 100% correct, but a lot of it is.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Those things roughly happened may.
Speaker D:Maybe not in the quick succession that maybe the movie shows because the gunfight at the O.K.
Speaker D:corral was in October and then Virgil, I think get shot.
Speaker D:Maybe March like it.
Speaker D:There was months and months.
Speaker D:The movie makes it seem like it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Within a week.
Speaker D:And it was not.
Speaker A:And also another interesting fact that I learned was the Birdcage theater didn't open until after the shootout.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:At the OK Corral.
Speaker A:So these guys were not.
Speaker A:While they depict the true happenings inside the theater, people really did shoot because we saw the bullet holes in the.
Speaker A:In the theater.
Speaker C:That's crazy.
Speaker D:I wonder if it leaks when it rains.
Speaker D:It must.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker D:I assume the owner of the Birdcage.
Speaker D:I'm like, guys, quit it.
Speaker D:You get up there with the.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's plays when it's raining.
Speaker C:That way they'll, you know, see.
Speaker D:Maybe stop it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker A:And do you want me to tell the storyline.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We didn't do the synopsis last time or for Breakfast Club.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you have the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Tagline or whatever.
Speaker A:I mean, because you.
Speaker A:You were talking about Wyatt Earp.
Speaker A:Wyatt Earp.
Speaker A:With Kevin Costner goes more detailed of.
Speaker A:Of Wyatt Earps, the whole wildlife.
Speaker A:But this focuses mainly on Tombstone.
Speaker A:And this is what it says.
Speaker A:After success cleaning up Dodge City, WYAT to Tombstone, AZ and wishes to get rich in obscurity.
Speaker A:He meets his brothers there, as well as his old friend Doc Holliday.
Speaker A:A band of outlaws that call themselves the Cowboys are causing problems in the region with various acts of random violence and inevitably come into confrontation with Holiday and the Earps, which leads to the shootout at the OK Corral.
Speaker A:And another thing I found it talks about, you know, they all moved to Tombstone.
Speaker A:There were two more earpieces brothers that actually lived in Tombstone at the time.
Speaker A:However, they were not in the movie.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, they were in the Wyatt Earp movie, I believe, but they weren't in Tombstone.
Speaker A:Yeah, but they did move.
Speaker A:They actually did move to Tombstone, Arizona.
Speaker A:But they.
Speaker A:Yes, they weren't depicted in the movie.
Speaker D:Because Wyatt Earp comes from a family of like seven brothers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Or something like that.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This historically, this movie is.
Speaker B:Is kind to Wyatt Earp.
Speaker B:Historically, Wyatt Earp was like.
Speaker B:I've read books, you know, about the people who knew Wyatt Earp, you know, Old west books.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And he was stoic and.
Speaker B:And almost people described him as a cold fish, you know, very stoic and.
Speaker B:And reserved and this kind of thing.
Speaker B:Almost.
Speaker B:Maybe a little more closer to what Costner portrayed him as.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:I don't think he was near as emotional as Wyatt Earp gets in Tombstone, this movie, but I certainly enjoy the movie Wyatt Earp, but it's not as fun to watch as Tombstone.
Speaker B:And Wyatt Earp had written a book with a writer during his lifetime called, like Wyatt Earp, Frontier Martial, Artificial.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp was aware of his press and took full advantage.
Speaker B:The book he wrote is also, as I understand it, self serving.
Speaker B:Self serving.
Speaker D:You know, that's the thing, if you kind of look at it in the context of Wyatt Earp no longer wants to be a lawman.
Speaker D:He wants to go to Tombstone to make his.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:His riches.
Speaker D: And now: Speaker D:He can be a cult hero and Americana thing.
Speaker D:He was cashing in.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:He was making his own mystique.
Speaker D:Making money.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And historically, Wyatt Earp was much more in pursuit of lawman positions into.
Speaker B:He wanted to be Cochise County Sheriff because it was a highly lucrative position in real life.
Speaker B:In the movie, you see him resisting, which we'll get into.
Speaker D:Well, I think there was a point when Wyatt Earp was a sheriff of somewhere and he would get a.
Speaker D:He'd get money for everybody he arrested.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And he would.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker B:As Cochise County Sheriff, you would get a portion of the taxes.
Speaker B:I mean, there's all these.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:Or ruining white.
Speaker C:Or me.
Speaker B:Well, you know.
Speaker D:Well, Vendetta ride was real.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Not really.
Speaker C:Just, you know, and.
Speaker B:And Wyatt Earp went his whole life and was never shot once.
Speaker B:He's a badass anyway, so.
Speaker B:So everything that you see Wyatt up doing, he did.
Speaker B:He Was not.
Speaker B:That was not fake anyway.
Speaker A:That's amazing.
Speaker B:Well, before we get into all that, I am interested to know your thoughts on what genre this is.
Speaker B:Now obviously it's a western.
Speaker B:Okay, but, but, but, but based on the Blake Snyder's.
Speaker B:I was torn between two and now as I read a.
Speaker B:As I think thought more about it, I really am inclined to pick one over the other.
Speaker B:What, what.
Speaker B:What do you have?
Speaker C:Oh, I get the same mind before you tell me yours.
Speaker C:Is that what you're saying?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I want to see if you.
Speaker D:Here's why you're wrong.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Well, I want to see.
Speaker B:See your thoughts on this because I.
Speaker C:I wouldn't do with the problem.
Speaker B:Well, that was my second choice.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:What's your.
Speaker B:An innocent dragged into a problem without asking for or even now.
Speaker C:He doesn't want to be a law man the way they portray it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:He refuses the call.
Speaker C:He just.
Speaker C:He just wants to make some money with his family.
Speaker B:Leave me alone and life or death.
Speaker B:Yep, absolutely.
Speaker C:And then keeps happening until he has.
Speaker C:He can no longer resist.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:I mean, but I don't know that that's.
Speaker C:What was the other one.
Speaker B:Superhero.
Speaker C:Oh, think about that.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Special power opposed by a nemesis or equal of equal or greater force.
Speaker B:And a curse that he either surmounts or succumbs to.
Speaker C:That's very interesting.
Speaker B:I read that and I Absolutely.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I think that's.
Speaker C:Yeah, that one fits more.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker B:We'll get into it as we go.
Speaker B:But when Wider finally decides he goes to get his special weapon, which is that long pistol.
Speaker B:Well, that's historically accurate.
Speaker B:That's the Buntline Special.
Speaker B:Ned Buntline was a gun maker and he gave Wyatt Earp in.
Speaker B:In Dodge City or Wichita Camera, which when he left he gave him this commemorative pistol.
Speaker B:It was a Peacemaker, but had like a long barrel.
Speaker B:It has historically since been known as the Buntline Special.
Speaker B:I don't think it was ever mass produced.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:He gave it to Wyatt Earp.
Speaker B:And that's the gun that Wyatt Earp gets.
Speaker B:He goes and gets his special weapon.
Speaker B:I think obviously his special power is what everybody wants him to be, is to be this lawman or whatever.
Speaker B:I think he is opposed by a nemesis of equal or greater force.
Speaker B:Certainly in Curly Bill, certainly in the Cowboys.
Speaker B:And I think he feels like he is under a curse.
Speaker B:Got a guilty conscience, you know, Might as well have the money now, you know.
Speaker B:Anyway, so as I thought about the movie, I thought, well, superhero works dude with a problem certainly Seems logical, and I think that probably is.
Speaker B:But I think superhero, strangely enough, could.
Speaker C:Be a superhero aspect.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, I think it applies as well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think there's a lot of setup in this movie.
Speaker D:Right?
Speaker D:There is.
Speaker C:Oh, I guess before we go.
Speaker C:Before we get into the beats, I guess I had a note about the.
Speaker C:The writer and the director.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:This is a Easter egg that I found out about a long time ago, but go ahead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So it was.
Speaker C:It was written by Kevin Jarr, maybe Jar A.
Speaker C:I don't know how you say his last name.
Speaker C:And he was originally the director, but he got fired.
Speaker B:Yes, I heard that.
Speaker C:And they brought in this George P.
Speaker C:Cosmos Cosmotos.
Speaker C:And I know, I guess, about this guy.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:Not that I've met him or anything, but I call him Comatose.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he also directed.
Speaker C:Directed with quotations.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:Cobra with Stallone and Rambo 2.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then this one, you know, like, he's.
Speaker C:He's got to be like just a name or a guy they throw out there.
Speaker C:He didn't direct any of those fucking.
Speaker B:No, he did not.
Speaker C:Stallone directed his.
Speaker C:His movies.
Speaker C:And Kurt Russell directed.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I was completely amazed to find out that Kurt Russell directed this movie.
Speaker B:I would give the shots to Cosmodus every day.
Speaker C:I saw Comatose because he's comatose.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I saw the Cosmatos.
Speaker D:I guess it was Wikipedia on the movies that he had done.
Speaker D:Everyone but this, but Tombstone and Rambo all had like 10 and 20 approval ratings.
Speaker D:And then these two little gems spark out.
Speaker D:So it's like.
Speaker D:Yeah, he was just the guy sitting in the director's chair drinking coffee all day.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:He wasn't doing crap when doing.
Speaker D:Allegedly.
Speaker B:Why.
Speaker A:Why did it end up the studios.
Speaker B:I think the studios were not comfortable with Russell directing.
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker C:I guess.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Which is weird.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I know the original guy just.
Speaker C:He was behind schedule.
Speaker C:Get the shots in.
Speaker D:And all that stuff shows here on indb.
Speaker D:That the guy that wrote it, the Kevin.
Speaker D:He did the Charlton Heston scenes only, so I guess.
Speaker D:On Hooker Ranch.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he was actually a friend of Michael Bean's.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker D:That's very cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, they just.
Speaker A:Kurt Russell's been in movies his whole life.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they had no call.
Speaker A:That's why.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I remember having the laserdisc version of this movie where the extra features were Cosmatos, one of the director's cut or whatever, and customers.
Speaker C:Comatose film.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Telling about like he was.
Speaker B:He was one of the extra features.
Speaker B:Talking about the directing of the movie and all this kind of.
Speaker B:Which I guess it wasn't known at that time that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or that.
Speaker B:Or they were just.
Speaker A:Did the truth not come out till he died?
Speaker A:Was that what it was?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Did he?
Speaker B:Yeah, it seems like.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker C:I can look, I just know.
Speaker C: diting and all this stuff and: Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D: In: Speaker A:It seems like someone had said that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It wasn't revealed until after he died.
Speaker A:After he died.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's just weird how he's like this placeholder guy that comes in for.
Speaker C:For people because like Sloane had directed stuff before.
Speaker C:He directed several of the Rockies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Now granted, none of those have explosions and like action scenes.
Speaker C:Maybe that's why they had him on On Rainbow too.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker C:And then once.
Speaker C:Okay, Stallone proved his chops, Kurt Russell proved his chops.
Speaker C:And then they're able to go on and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Do whatever they need to do.
Speaker C:But it's just.
Speaker C:It's kind of weird.
Speaker B:It's funny.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I didn't know until I guess a few years ago when you were talking about it.
Speaker D:Phil, Kurt Russell apparently has a lot of this movie in his garage.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That's what blew my mind.
Speaker B:Like there's.
Speaker B:There is footage in Kurt Russell's garage that he keeps talking about releasing, but I guess has never.
Speaker B:Now I've seen some deleted scenes, like an extra features and stuff, but I imagine.
Speaker B:But apparently there is a whole sub story.
Speaker B:There is some indication that Wyatt Earp worked closely with Ike Clanton as an undercover agent.
Speaker B:Like Ike Clanton agreed to sort of tell Wyatt of crimes and stuff.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker C:So that's why he keeps sparing him in the.
Speaker C:In the movie.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:And that Ike was nervous that Wyatt was going to let it be known that he was working with the law and his cowboy friends would get him and this kind of thing.
Speaker B:That their relationship was much more nuanced than what you see.
Speaker B:And I think some of that footage is what maybe is this garage.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And Kurt Russell's earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants.
Speaker B:But I think.
Speaker B:I think he would do nothing but slow the movie down into a for sure.
Speaker B:You know it would.
Speaker C:But I wouldn't mind seeing that version like stop making Chronicles on Netflix and go break the shit out of your garage, sir.
Speaker C:Again, he's earned the right to whatever the hell he wants.
Speaker C:But well, you know, versions of Blade.
Speaker C:I'd rather see this than do it.
Speaker B:They've given us the box set of four versions of Blade Runner.
Speaker B:Let's have a box set of the Four Hour Tombstone and exactly Two Hour Tombstone.
Speaker D:And Kurt Russell is not Ridley Scott.
Speaker D:Or is it Ridley Scott that did Blade Runner?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Kurt Russell.
Speaker D:He's.
Speaker D:I, I think from him, he's just like, it's done, it's out there.
Speaker D:Let's move on.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I would not want anybody to touch Tombstone Now.
Speaker C:It's so weird.
Speaker C:Like you said Blade Runner and I put Apocalypse now in my head because that all that movie also has like four different versions.
Speaker C:Yeah, you said Blade Runner, but for some reason I was thinking Apocalypse now that way when you said really, Scott?
Speaker C:I almost said no.
Speaker C:What are you talking.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:BS Give me four versions of.
Speaker C:Of Tombstone and no more Santa Claus Chronicles, please.
Speaker D:There's a.
Speaker D:There's a little fact that I love Stephen Lang.
Speaker D:The guy that plays Ike Clanton.
Speaker B:Yeah, I love him.
Speaker D:Apparently the rumor is he was drunk on set all day, every day.
Speaker C:Well, I don't know how to believe that because his performance is so awesome.
Speaker D:It's so awesome.
Speaker B:He does look like he's.
Speaker D:He looks like his eyes are glassed over.
Speaker B:And he was in, in real life.
Speaker B:He probably was drunk all the time.
Speaker B:I Clinton.
Speaker D:I mean there wasn't very much fresh water to drink.
Speaker D:Obviously Ike was dunking his head in the water barrels.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So it was all just alcohol.
Speaker C:It blows my mind.
Speaker C:So I thought you were going to say is.
Speaker C:He's actually the, the bad guy in Avatar.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he, he looks, of course he put on more muscle and stuff for Avatar, but he looks like he's 65 and this huge muscle guy in Avatar.
Speaker C:And he looked, he always seemed short to me in the short Weasley sniveling.
Speaker C:I as I Clinton.
Speaker C:But in knowing that when I went back and watched it this time, I would pay attention to shots.
Speaker C:When he's in there with like Sam Elliott, who's really, really tall and he's obviously, he's right there with him.
Speaker C:He just, he's not, he's not short.
Speaker C:You know, the guy's tall himself.
Speaker B:He just.
Speaker C:The way he played the character, he seemed like this short snive.
Speaker D:Know that.
Speaker C:You know, it's crazy.
Speaker D:I know we're going to get into it with the beats and everything, but there's actually a note in here.
Speaker D:Is Ike Clanton the Big Bad.
Speaker D:That's my Question to you.
Speaker D:He is the last one they defeat.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He's not the leader, but.
Speaker C:No, he is.
Speaker C:He is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because they're riding and he's one that takes off.
Speaker C:Takes it off.
Speaker D:But that's the last bad guy that they beat.
Speaker C:Yeah, but they can't be bigger bad than Ringo.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker D:That's one of the things that don't make sense to me.
Speaker D:It's like they beat.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He starts a lot.
Speaker B:You know, he starts a lot of the problem.
Speaker D:I think he's the main.
Speaker B:Even in real life, he was the instigator.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So that's my question to you, is, hopefully we'll get.
Speaker C:I don't go around here.
Speaker C:Yeah, I heard you the first time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Anyway, okay, so I get.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:I guess we need to get into this.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I just wanted to bring up comatose means, because it's very interesting.
Speaker B:No, I.
Speaker B:I was blown away several years ago, and I learned that.
Speaker B:I think there's a lot of setup and there's.
Speaker B:There's a lot of people to set up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So you have the official setup, which is this opening monologue that essentially introduces Doc Wyatt, the cowboys, in the setting.
Speaker B:In a short sort of clip.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:In the order it.
Speaker D:It's the prologue is the backstory of wider.
Speaker D:The background of Tombstone being the murder rate is higher than modern today.
Speaker D:And then it tells about the cowboys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's a.
Speaker B:It's a quick way to get us into the story and the situation, catch us up.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Lathe watched it with us for the first time, and he was.
Speaker C:He was a little confused about the cowboys thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Weren't they all cowboys?
Speaker C:Well, yeah, you're not wrong, son.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Well, this is what they call themselves.
Speaker C:So, like, I had to try to explain the best I could.
Speaker C:They're wearing the red sashes.
Speaker B:Just remember that you had cowboys and then you had the miners, because even white Herb, they show them having the mines, but the white, The Earps did run mines at a tombstone.
Speaker B:And gambling, gamblers.
Speaker B:So there was these different groups.
Speaker B:Cowboys, essentially, strictly speaking, made their living off cattle and ranching.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Anyway, so you have a quick setup, I think, in this opening monologue, and then you have, like, four opening images of the cowboys.
Speaker B:The Earps, Doc, and then Tombstone, the town itself, are each given their own opening image.
Speaker D:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because the first.
Speaker D:The first image that we have that's not the background is the cowboys riding across the wilderness.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:For vengeance.
Speaker D:You don't even see their face until after they've loaded their guns.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:Or that slow walk up.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He says their opening image, you know that I say they have an okay.
Speaker B:Crash shootout of their own and at the end, looks like we win, you know, so this, if this is their opening image, we know their closing image, which is decimation.
Speaker B:So I think, I think those two bookend each other.
Speaker B:The Earps I have as their opening image arriving in town.
Speaker B:And I say for the same purpose as the cowboys arrive in the town that they did.
Speaker B:The cowboys are marauding for profit and for treasure.
Speaker B:Basically.
Speaker B:They steal, they rob, they maraud.
Speaker B:And the Earps are there to make our fortune, boys.
Speaker B:But they're going to do it in a different way.
Speaker C:Well, even the back to the cowboys in the opening image, even the.
Speaker C:With the preacher or whatever.
Speaker C:And then the, the Spanish that Ringo has to translate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It predicts their own demise.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It is interesting that the old domain.
Speaker C:On the pale horse and all.
Speaker B:And then we see the arrival of Earp right after that.
Speaker B:And the horse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So there is this slight nod.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:His own sides are on, you know.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Because he, the priest literally condemns them, you know, and then the guy said, you go to hell.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:You first.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker D:They.
Speaker D:They know they're on the.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's not what he said.
Speaker C:You didn't wrench.
Speaker C:English worse than Spanish.
Speaker C:Worse than English.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think, I think some lines are drawn because you got the Pale Rider prophecy, meaning that Wyatt Earp will be God's instrument of justice against the evil, which are the cowboys.
Speaker B:Later on, you have the birdcage scene with Ringo saying, I already did it.
Speaker B:I already made my deal with the devil.
Speaker B:Right after that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why do you believe in God?
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So, so why.
Speaker B:This is as close as you're going to get.
Speaker B:But Wyatt is not a great thinker.
Speaker B:Okay, but.
Speaker B:But I think those two, two scenes are there to sort of say in this movie.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp is the good guys and the cowboys are the bad guys.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:If you think about it, the first scene you see in the cowboys is they're massacring a wedding.
Speaker D:First thing you see of Wyatt Earp is him protecting a horse.
Speaker B:And yes.
Speaker C:Hurts.
Speaker C:Don't.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And their.
Speaker B:And family.
Speaker B:They make that family portrait.
Speaker D:Immediately after that happens, the marshals come into him offering him a job.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Now that's a good point.
Speaker B:That's the first.
Speaker B:So this is the first bump.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So Wyatt Earp is being given catalyst.
Speaker B:Being given calls to adventure.
Speaker C:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker C:A lot of times.
Speaker C:We'll call it the.
Speaker C:From Snyder.
Speaker C:The devil bump.
Speaker C:But yeah, he got like a.
Speaker B:You got five.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You got a quadruple bump.
Speaker B:There are five bumps in this movie.
Speaker B:The first one, I don't know if it's the territorial sheriff.
Speaker B:Somebody you know, I can't remember.
Speaker D:United States Marshall date.
Speaker B:The first bump call to be a law man.
Speaker B:Guilty.
Speaker B:The whole conversation with a guilty conscience.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:He is refusing.
Speaker C:I already got it.
Speaker C:Might as well have the money to bump number one.
Speaker D:And then you got Virgil, Morgan, Ali, Louisa, and Maddie all showing up together.
Speaker D:They're finally a family in Tombstone.
Speaker D:They're about to make their fortune.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I narrowed my opening image for why it specifically down a little bit more.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You see him step off the train alone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Now that everyone else is there and they show up very quickly.
Speaker C:But that first shot, he's alone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then the closing images, he's.
Speaker C:And he's.
Speaker C:And I wouldn't say unhappy, but he's very serious and very.
Speaker C:He's definitely not smiling.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:At the end, he's.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Dancing.
Speaker C:Dancing and smiling with Josephine.
Speaker C:Not alone.
Speaker D:He's laughing like an idiot all day.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's what you mean.
Speaker B:I know you had some historical things when you.
Speaker B:When we.
Speaker B:If we get to a point where you have some and.
Speaker C:Jump in.
Speaker B:Jump in.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Are you referring to anything?
Speaker B:No, no, I just didn't want to.
Speaker B:You said you had some historical.
Speaker B:I didn't want to skip over or make sure we didn't just.
Speaker B:Okay, that's cool.
Speaker D:All right, so they.
Speaker D:When everybody arrives, like you said, everybody's.
Speaker D:He's alone, but they do the family portrait in front of the.
Speaker D:The mirror, and then it's revealed that Maddie has a laudanum.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:And this is.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:I don't know if Sherry wrote this down, but she.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They never officially got married.
Speaker B:Historically, she was a common law wife, meaning they stayed together long enough to be considered married.
Speaker B:But he was never officially married.
Speaker D:And Doc brings that up later, too, in the bar.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Do you consider yourself a married man?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Well, I just.
Speaker C:I really like the image.
Speaker C:Like the.
Speaker C:This image, you know, the reflection of this perfect family and his goals and what he wants.
Speaker C:That never happens.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, this.
Speaker C:You're saying it immediately reveals this is not the picture perfect family you think it is, you know.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:So is it really cool?
Speaker D:And they.
Speaker D:They have a conversation about Doc, as is Doc back in town or whatever, and it immediately goes to.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Doc playing poker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the opening image for the Cowboys is marauding.
Speaker B:The Earps are going to maraud in their own way, but certainly more family oriented.
Speaker B:And then Doc, who is marauding in his own way.
Speaker B:Poker is an honest trade.
Speaker B:I said poker was an honest trade.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:You know, so he's.
Speaker D:He's not gambling.
Speaker B:Not gambling, and.
Speaker B:But he's almost a mixture of the two because he's gambling and he winds up killing Ed Bailey.
Speaker B:And then as he's walking out, he just picks up money that he didn't win, you know, puts in his pocket.
Speaker B:Well, good day then.
Speaker D:And did he kill Ed Bailey or.
Speaker B:Did he just stab him in real life?
Speaker B:He stabbed him and basically spilled his mouth all over the floor.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D: In the middle: Speaker D:You get stabbed, it's not looking good, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, they.
Speaker B:They clean that murder up.
Speaker B:But, but, but Ed Bailey was gutted.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because it was a $500 pot on that game before the.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:And then pleasantness.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Doc is he.
Speaker B:Doc straddles both worlds because he's friends with the Earps, but he is not above killing and.
Speaker B:And stealing.
Speaker B:And that's why he calls it hypocrisy when he won't shake hands with the sheriff.
Speaker B:And so he.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:He is very much in both worlds and sort of the bridge between the two.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Takes money he did not win.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like when.
Speaker C:Hey, Sheriff, have you met Doc Holiday?
Speaker C:Piss on you.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Then we're given the opening image of Tombstone, which Doc describes as very cosmopolitan.
Speaker B:And Morgue describes this by saying, damn, this burg is jumping.
Speaker B:So Tombstone is very much its own character.
Speaker D:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:The Wyatt family enters Tombstone.
Speaker D:You get to meet Sheriff Behan.
Speaker D:He's a man of many parts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then Fred White, and they talk about the cowboys.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:One thing I did read you were talking about historically or, you know, accuracy in the movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Boot Hill.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Is cemetery.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it's not as close as it makes it in the film.
Speaker A:And I remember it being up on a hill.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker B:It's outside of town.
Speaker B:Like, go to Tombstone.
Speaker A:And it's really spooky.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:To visit.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:And the Clinton's graves are still there and everything.
Speaker B:I mean, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's pretty neat.
Speaker A:You can visit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And the Lester Moore.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think that's.
Speaker B:I think that actually is.
Speaker C:That's really.
Speaker D:He was a.
Speaker D:He was shotgun on a Wells Fargo carriage and he was shot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I think there's if I remember correctly.
Speaker B:That's an actual tombstone.
Speaker C:Actual thing shot with a 44.
Speaker C:No more, no less.
Speaker B:Yeah, less, no more.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker D:So, yeah, Fred White introduces the Wyatt's or discusses the Wyatt's about the cowboys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We're getting given more set up and.
Speaker D:Yeah, more set up.
Speaker B:Wyatt receives a second bump, second call in the Birdcage Theater.
Speaker B:Mayor.
Speaker B:Mayor Klum comes up and immediately shuts him down.
Speaker B:Hey, Wyatt.
Speaker B:I'm not a prayer.
Speaker B:And good date.
Speaker B:Good day, sir.
Speaker D:You know you're skipping a little bit.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Billy Bob Thornton, right?
Speaker D:Skipping saloon.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:This is the danger here, man.
Speaker D:Because that's why I wrote.
Speaker B:I didn't know how much you wanted to.
Speaker D:That's exactly why I wrote this down.
Speaker D:To keep us on track, sir.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I have a question about the cool.
Speaker B:Line every 12 seconds.
Speaker B:And I'm telling you, every scene is amazing.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker D:You just can't wait to get.
Speaker B:You're gonna Breakfast Club this thing, man.
Speaker D:That's why I wrote it down.
Speaker A:It's Billy Bob Thornton's first movie.
Speaker A:This is the first one I remember seeing him in.
Speaker C:Jackets was before this, right?
Speaker C:Yeah, that was in the 80s.
Speaker C:I thought 86.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Because I didn't remember seeing him.
Speaker A:Of course, he looks a lot different then.
Speaker B:Kind of chubby in this.
Speaker C:Never mind.
Speaker C:Fullmetal jackets.
Speaker C:That's the wrong guy.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:That's Vincent.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's way wrong.
Speaker D:No, but they.
Speaker D:Marshall White's talking about the Oriental.
Speaker D:All the other casinos and places are jumping and the Oriental is not so wider.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Gets us a get a ready 25% of a Pharaoh game.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because even Virgil, I think it is.
Speaker C:Or Morgan.
Speaker C:Morgan goes.
Speaker C:Oh, there he goes.
Speaker B:He goes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And in real life, Wyatt did deal Pharaoh as a.
Speaker B:As an occupation.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He has the words with.
Speaker D:So Milt Joyce, owner, operator.
Speaker D:That's the guy who lets him know about.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:The guy at the corner.
Speaker D:He's running the good play out.
Speaker D:Yada, yada, yada.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The scene is amazing.
Speaker C:Like playing cards with my brother's kids.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Blow you up that wildcat's ass, out you go.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:I know you know every line and it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's an absolutely cool scene, man.
Speaker A:Still haven't gotten to my favorite yet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's a fact.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Billy Bob was in a lot of stuff before Tombstone.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:A lot of stuff.
Speaker D:He was in Matlock.
Speaker C:Just clarify.
Speaker C:He was not in Full Metal Jackets.
Speaker C:I was way off.
Speaker B:No, no, that's.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Why sitting in my chair, 25 of the house take sound about right.
Speaker D:Yada yada.
Speaker D:You know, all that stuff.
Speaker C:I mean, yeah.
Speaker C:The do something better stand there and bleed.
Speaker B:Very, very cool line.
Speaker B:You run your mouth kind of ruts for a minute.
Speaker B:Don't go heal.
Speaker B:Don't get the gun.
Speaker B:Don't need to go heal to get the bulge out of a tub like you.
Speaker B:Is that a fact?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker B:That's just like you could go.
Speaker B:You know, I don't know if eight hours on this disc would be enough recording time.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:This is a.
Speaker A:Just a quick question.
Speaker A:That game that he.
Speaker A:He dealt.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not familiar with that game at all.
Speaker A:But was that more popular than poker?
Speaker A:Because I know Doc Holliday loves.
Speaker B:It's easier than poker.
Speaker B:Pharaoh, as I understand it, is like roulette with cards.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So there'd be several cards imprinted on the table.
Speaker B:And you put your money down on the card, the face card or whatever that's represented on that table.
Speaker B:You put the money down on that one that you think is going to be the next card drawn out of the deck.
Speaker B:So it's almost like roulette, where you're betting on red, black, 17.
Speaker B:So when.
Speaker B:When Curly Bill puts his money down on a card to place his bet.
Speaker B:I'm not saying the games are crooked, but the dealer, it is bucking the tiger.
Speaker B:It's all on the house.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp, you see him, it's very subtle, but wider moves.
Speaker B:I saw him currently Bill's money from one card to another.
Speaker B:Because Wyatt Earp, I think fair dealers not cheating, but it's a.
Speaker B:It's a fool's game win.
Speaker C:So he moved it.
Speaker C:So he did win.
Speaker B:So he won.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:I didn't catch that.
Speaker C:I remember him winning.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And that's why I didn't understand how it.
Speaker A:I'm like, he put it in the wrong place.
Speaker C:Shut up.
Speaker C:I get.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:No, that's my favorite.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It is a stupid game because there are cards and you're betting on what the next card.
Speaker B:And so it's essentially.
Speaker B:It's roulette, as I understand it.
Speaker A:Okay, thank you.
Speaker B:So he moves that money over so that he doesn't have a problem with these people and they can just get on their way because he doesn't want any part of any trouble.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:He wants to avoid it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So he moves that money over And Curly.
Speaker B:And Curly Bill wins.
Speaker D:But it's kind of weird that he walked up and talked to Johnny Tyler like, you're in my seat.
Speaker D:Get out of my seat.
Speaker D:This is my thing.
Speaker D:And he just bum rushed the whole thing.
Speaker D:Now he's a big bully.
Speaker D:And I think everybody else in Tombstone's a big bully too.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker D:What I'm trying to say.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:But it just makes sense of.
Speaker D:I'm gonna take the easiest game.
Speaker D:Pharaoh.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Kick this guy off of it.
Speaker D:And I'm.
Speaker D:I'm here now.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, he does.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Johnny Teller had run off the all the high class play.
Speaker B:And Wyatt Earp saw this as well.
Speaker B:I get in here.
Speaker C:But he doesn't have to be like a dealer.
Speaker C:Like a serious.
Speaker C:Like blackjack or poker.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:I didn't.
Speaker C:I didn't think about.
Speaker C:Till James said it.
Speaker C:But yeah, he's like easiest thing.
Speaker C:I'm going to make a ton of money.
Speaker C:Get this piece shit out of here.
Speaker C:I'm going to sit right here.
Speaker C:Make a ton of money.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:No, he was there to make a fortune.
Speaker B:Now that being said, Wyatt Earp, when he talks about there's.
Speaker B:I only ever killed one guy.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In Wichita or Kansas.
Speaker B:There was an altercation and the guy had done something and he was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there was a shootout in.
Speaker B:Wyatt killed.
Speaker B:And it was one guy.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp would hit people over the head with a pistol to knock them out.
Speaker B:He just does this in Tombstone.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp was a bully because it was a tool.
Speaker B:He thought.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp has said if you can intimidate someone and get them to back down, you don't have to kill them or shoot.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So they showed that a little bit.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:He was total intimidation and didn't have to kill people, you know.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It was a tool he used even historically.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You're talking about the giant Tyler thing.
Speaker C:Even the way they set up Doc too.
Speaker C:Like outside of the poker scene.
Speaker D:Which happens.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:Right next.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Johnny Tyler goes.
Speaker C:And he's obviously embarrassed, pissed off, whatever.
Speaker C:So he goes, went home, got his gun and he was gonna shoot, you know, come up and shoot Wyatt Earp or whatever.
Speaker C:And Doc sees him and Johnny Tyler.
Speaker C:Where are you going with that shotgun?
Speaker C:Just his reaction.
Speaker C:Oh, Doc, I didn't know you were in town.
Speaker C:Like, he's immediately scared to death of Doc.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, absolutely.
Speaker D:And then Wyatt and Doc meet for the first time in years.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And have a little bullshit conversation where this guy with.
Speaker C:Who's going to kill him standing over there.
Speaker D:Go away now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He has one of the best lines.
Speaker C:Oh Johnny, I forgot you were there.
Speaker C:You ain't going now.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:My favorite is he says when white tell him to put the gun, he's like thank you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thank you, thank you.
Speaker C:Thank you for not killing me.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Because he had no idea that was white Herb too.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:He learned of that moment is white Herb.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:And then that's when Sheriff Behan and Doc meet.
Speaker C:Piss on you.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:You met Sheriff Behan and in.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker D:Very cosmopolitan, that whole area.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:This is Tombstone's introduction.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Get to meet Creek Johnson and Jack Vermillion.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Real historical figures as well.
Speaker B:I don't know as much about them but in my.
Speaker C:In movie purposes, I mean they pretty much just set them up because they're part of their vendetta Ride down the road.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well the thing I think coming up right here on this next line I'm showing is we got to take in front of Judge Spicer Law and order every time.
Speaker D:That's us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that obviously is not tombs.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:That's a bunch of.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Well yes, the laws were very loose at that point, but yes, the self defense, you know.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So yeah, I have the.
Speaker B:Again, this is the movie is.
Speaker B:So I have this.
Speaker B:I'll just get this out of the way and then we can talk about whatever the bumps.
Speaker B:The various bumps.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Then we'll get back to whatever notes you have just for structure purpose.
Speaker B:Second bump is in the birdcage.
Speaker B:Mayor Klum not a prayer.
Speaker B:The third bump, when Curly Bill does his thing and kills Sheriff White.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp goes out there and Ike Clanton wants to do his stuff.
Speaker C:But I feel like there's one before that even because we were just talking when he's sitting down at the shut off bike.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You go, you know lot I'm going around here or whatever.
Speaker C:And he says I'm retired.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And then Johnny turns to dogs.
Speaker C:You retired too?
Speaker C:Like I feel like that's a bump too.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I mean because it's now it's the bad guys directly coming to him saying are you gonna do anything our.
Speaker C:Because we run this down, you're going.
Speaker B:To be often there's six bumps.
Speaker C:Jesus.
Speaker D:That notated as tense moment.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He says not before I turn your head into a canoe.
Speaker B:Understand?
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker C:And then later in the intimidation he could have just shot him.
Speaker B:And later when they're playing pool and they're talking about Judge Spicer.
Speaker B:He says, it's.
Speaker B:It's none of my business anyway, as he's counting his money.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:We're all busy.
Speaker C:So, third, he only intervened because that guy got shot and killed or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Fourth bump, Virgil becomes town sheriff.
Speaker B:Wyatt is still refusing.
Speaker B:This is trouble we don't need.
Speaker B:Didn't even make a dent, did I?
Speaker B:Trying to convince them this is not something you want to do.
Speaker B:So it's either the fourth or fifth, based on what you're saying.
Speaker B:Fifth bump, the arrest of Ike Clanton.
Speaker B:And Ike Clanton says, you got a fight coming.
Speaker B:Coming today.
Speaker B:This is at one hour and eight minutes into the movie when the cowboys start showing up, Wyatt answers the call by saying, all the same, I guess you better swear me in.
Speaker B:So five, six bumps into an hour and eight minutes.
Speaker B:Wyatt is still debating and refusing the call.
Speaker B:This is what I'm talking about with.
Speaker B:I think the setup is super long before we get what I'm calling the break into two.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, I think it.
Speaker C:I was a little disappointed that Leith didn't like the movie as much as, you know, everybody else on the planet.
Speaker C:Yeah, he.
Speaker C:He was like, yeah, it's all right.
Speaker C:As we're watching it, I remember him saying something about, you know, when's this?
Speaker C:When's the other shoe gonna drop?
Speaker C:So I think the.
Speaker C:Not that he knows a whole lot about story structure, but I think he was frustrated and maybe, you know, a little, dare I say bored with, you know, he was waiting for something to happen.
Speaker C:Because once this stuff.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Because I agree with you, it's way late.
Speaker C:Like, there's a lot of setup in this movie, and I didn't remember that.
Speaker C:I remember a lot of cool happening.
Speaker B:No, it's all cool.
Speaker B:We could sit here.
Speaker B:I mean, we're.
Speaker B:We're at 40 minutes right now, people.
Speaker B:I hate to tell you.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker D:Holy crap.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so that.
Speaker B:That's up.
Speaker B:So anything up to the point of Wyatt accepting it's free for all now.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker D:So there was a cool thing that.
Speaker D:I've actually paused the movie.
Speaker D:It was during the theater troupe.
Speaker D:Professor Gilman catches stuff.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker D:That's what I have.
Speaker D:And then I paused it and read what the chalkboard said.
Speaker D:Selections from the Bard, Mr.
Speaker D:Romulus Fabian Tragedy and Excelsius the Saint.
Speaker D:Christmas Day speech for Henry V.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:All that on that little chalkboard that they remove in two seconds.
Speaker D:I had to.
Speaker D:I'm like, so his name.
Speaker B:Nobody ever read that?
Speaker B:I never read it.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker D:Just Blows away.
Speaker D:Sorry.
Speaker B:Absolute set.
Speaker B:Dark graders are unheralded heroes.
Speaker D:And then they just.
Speaker D:Billy explains what's going on in that scene.
Speaker D:Ringo is eyeing Wyatt.
Speaker D:Yeah, Ringo.
Speaker D:And Doc is drinking.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker D:And it's just, you know, life is normal.
Speaker D:But some.
Speaker C:In the theater.
Speaker D:In the theater.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:The cowboys are looking like the Wyatt's are in town.
Speaker D:We gotta shut that down.
Speaker D:And that the next scene.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can see that the.
Speaker B:It's all simmering below the surface.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:You know, and that's when.
Speaker D:And when they leave the theater.
Speaker D:Morgan talks about death for the first time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:After.
Speaker B:And I think it's contrasted with.
Speaker B:I already made my deal with the devil, I think.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker C:Johnny already did it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that's.
Speaker D:I don't know anything about structure again, but that's where I have the second act starting is when everybody is finally in Tombstone and they're in the bar after the play when Josephine walks in and everything.
Speaker D:I think that's where the story starts and takes off.
Speaker D:But again, I don't know.
Speaker B:Well, I.
Speaker B:I think that's true.
Speaker B:But the.
Speaker B:The hero has to accept the call and cross over that threshold.
Speaker B:And at that point I still don't think why it has.
Speaker C:Because when he rushes out there and arrests Curly Bill, like, I mean that's him acting.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I guess that's where I had my break into now.
Speaker C:He's still wishy washy and all pissed off and doesn't want to get involved.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:No, no, this is who he is.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he's resisting it.
Speaker B:No, absolutely he is.
Speaker B:This is his nature.
Speaker B:This is his identity.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp, throughout his whole life was a lot of things, but he was always a lawman.
Speaker B:And it's the only thing he does really well and is good at it.
Speaker B:And people look to him, but he's resisting.
Speaker B:So he will fall into.
Speaker B:But yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Later on he will say at the OK Corral, gunfight or whatever.
Speaker B:As they're walking down.
Speaker B:I still don't know how we gotta got ourselves.
Speaker D:They're walking to the OK Corral.
Speaker D:And that's what he says.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:How do we get ourselves into this?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:But yeah, that's so every Josephine Marcus enters.
Speaker D:Curly Bill has an issue with Wyatt.
Speaker D:Doc has his tense moment with Ringo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:That's latin Island.
Speaker C:Appears Mr.
Speaker C:Ringo is an educator.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Now I really.
Speaker B:Every 12 seconds a cool line.
Speaker A:Oh, that is my favorite scene.
Speaker B:So stylish.
Speaker B:This whole movie is so stylish and cool.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Even.
Speaker C:Even Doc's response, you Know, you're like.
Speaker C:For the first time, you hear, like, oh, what is he going to do?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Absolute genius.
Speaker B:You know, we're not even.
Speaker C:You're talking about actors playing stuff.
Speaker C:I love Bill Paxton's reaction in that scene.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:For several.
Speaker C:Several reasons.
Speaker C:When Ringo's going off and doing all, like.
Speaker C:He almost seems bewildered.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:There's no way I could do that.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:And his laughing when Doc does it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:With this fucking cup or whatever.
Speaker C:Which is really cool.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And I love how he even.
Speaker C:Because Ringo's eyes are Michael Bean's eyes, get really, really crazy a little bit when he's doing it and getting all excited.
Speaker C:And even Doc makes fun of him doing that.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker C:It's amazing.
Speaker B:He is the trickster almost, because he is giving you the idea that he's not, you know.
Speaker B:Okay, well, Ringo is obviously fast.
Speaker B:You know, Doc doesn't care.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But Doc is faster.
Speaker B:And we learn toward the end, like, he's, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:But he holds it in close like a poker player.
Speaker B:He's holding those cards, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:But that's the first time that Wyatt asks about that other idiot.
Speaker D:I clamp.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Who was that other idiot?
Speaker B:Yeah, Just.
Speaker D:And then as soon as that conversation ends, Josephine asks Behan about Wyatt.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There is this.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:So, yes, that is true.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's this call to the outward call, which is him being a lawman, but very.
Speaker B:But right along with this is the call to the romantic adventure that he also resists.
Speaker B:Why at your.
Speaker B:An oak.
Speaker B:But then he rides with her in the forest again.
Speaker D:I'm an oak.
Speaker B:Already he's getting close to, yeah, I'm an oak.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But he's getting closer.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Still debating.
Speaker B:He goes back to his wife and says, why don't we go around the world?
Speaker C:Room service.
Speaker C:And she laughs at him.
Speaker B:See him debating.
Speaker B:So I think he answers or is pulled more strongly by the romantic call to adventure before.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:He is pulled into the outward call, his real life.
Speaker D:You know, the success, the money, the minds, all that isn't what he.
Speaker D:He's getting it, but it's not what his life.
Speaker D:What he wants is.
Speaker B:He's not happy.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Now, Maddie.
Speaker D:Maddie has upgraded from laudanum to now opium.
Speaker B:Okay, I missed that.
Speaker B:But, yeah, she's totally down the road.
Speaker D:She is out.
Speaker B:The theme I couldn't nail down, but.
Speaker C:She got it from Curly.
Speaker C:Billy.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, no, this is what you want right here.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:Josephine asked Wyatt, are you happy?
Speaker B:I Think I'm happy, kids.
Speaker B:Wyatt.
Speaker B:We're going to make our fortune, boys.
Speaker B:So Wyatt sets out as a stated goal to make his fortune to be happy, to have an ordinary life, which you'll call later.
Speaker B:But he still has no idea what he really wants.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:He thinks he knows, but he doesn't.
Speaker B:At the end of the movie, his arc, I finally found out what I want and who I want.
Speaker B:And that's the damnable misery of it.
Speaker B:So I think Josephine, I think the theme is finding out what you really want in life.
Speaker B:And I think Josephine is that B story.
Speaker C:No, I agree.
Speaker C:Yeah, she's a B story.
Speaker D:So would you say, like, you were talking about an Unbreakable, the do what you were meant to do thing?
Speaker D:Like, that's the.
Speaker D:That's a through line.
Speaker D:And Unbreakable is a superhero story.
Speaker D:Do what you were meant to do.
Speaker D:That's what Wyatt's call is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Be a law man.
Speaker D:Do what you were meant to do.
Speaker D:But he's resisting that call the whole time.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Up to five or six times.
Speaker D:A lot.
Speaker D:And that's when.
Speaker D:So Doc's playing the piano.
Speaker D:Old dog Trey.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Chopin.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Frederick Chopin.
Speaker D:And that's when Carly Bill hits the.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Even the callback to that.
Speaker C:You music.
Speaker B:Music lover.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So here's one for each of you.
Speaker D:Here's a question I had just in that next scene, Judge Spicer acquits with no witnesses.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The laws were so loose, like, unless you were seen doing it.
Speaker D:But there's a shot of Behan and Josephine on the corner right as that's happening.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What I.
Speaker A:About that was, first of all, he's corrupt.
Speaker A:He's not going to say anything.
Speaker A:And they said maybe she was in fear of actually testifying against them.
Speaker D:Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker B:Behan in real life was totally.
Speaker B:He was the Cochise county sheriff and totally corrupt politician.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He says it later.
Speaker D:You know, there's going to be a one man in Tombstone.
Speaker B:Behan was glad to know him.
Speaker B:In real life, Behan does say, no need for you to go down there.
Speaker B:I've disarmed them.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:At the UK Corral.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's historically accurate.
Speaker B:When they go down there, they all have guns and are shooting in the.
Speaker B:Ok.
Speaker B:So it was totally.
Speaker B:He was totally partisan and an enemy of the Earps and an ally of the outlaw element of the time.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And later he even deputizes the cowboys.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:The nature of his business.
Speaker D:So that it takes Us to where the Earps are playing pool.
Speaker D:We're going to build it up, sell it off, live like kings.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And Virgil is thinking about, you know, it's like someone slapping me in the face.
Speaker B:So Virgil is going to be a bump for Wyatt because he.
Speaker B:In one of the next scenes, has become sheriff.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He has a big crisis of conscience thing with the cowboys riding through town.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It saves a little kid from being trampled.
Speaker D:And then seeing the school mistress with the scar and.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:There's got to be some law.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:She was a teacher.
Speaker D:I think so.
Speaker D:Because there was a long line of kids.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I guess the scar on her face made me think of Unforgiven.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:Where they would, you know, scar up whores or whatever.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Prostitutes.
Speaker C:So I didn't know if she was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I assume that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She was a school mom or something.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's what I'm.
Speaker D:I just wrote school mistress is the only thing I could think she could be.
Speaker D:And then you got Virgil becomes a marshal.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And I have.
Speaker B:That's where basically I have the break into two when the cowboys are coming into town and.
Speaker B:And I think you better swear me in or whatever.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because everybody's.
Speaker D:Wyatt fights that tremendously.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Until that movie.
Speaker C:And then he's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And it's for his brothers.
Speaker B:Like, he.
Speaker C:Leave it alone.
Speaker C:They're threatening our lives.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:We'll never make that stick, you know.
Speaker A:Quick question.
Speaker A:Sam Elliott's character.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He was in law enforcement also.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Before.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Prior, even.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Virgil Morgan.
Speaker C:Morgan was not.
Speaker C:I don't think.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:No, I don't think so.
Speaker D:I think Virgil was.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker B:More.
Speaker D:I think Virgil's older, the more experienced.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker C:And he became a.
Speaker C:It says at the end became.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's the use of one army became law man again.
Speaker B:And that is true.
Speaker C:Which is crazy.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that's.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:Again, I'm glad I made notes.
Speaker D:Wyatt Warren Smoke.
Speaker D:Wyatt warns Morgan about killing someone for the first time when he's.
Speaker D:Didn't even make a dent.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:Something you don't want to ever feel.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now, I don't know that the real Wyatt Earp would have ever had those qualms, but he did go out of his way not to show people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Intimidation and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And they even show that, I guess, with the.
Speaker C:And obviously.
Speaker C:I don't know if that's.
Speaker C:If you really said it, but like when they're all.
Speaker C:When he realizes about to go down, he says, oh, my God.
Speaker B:Or Whatever.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He realizes not people are about to die.
Speaker B:So that's when I had my break into two.
Speaker B:And then the fun and games is fairly succinct in my opinion.
Speaker B:Before we get to stuff like the bad guys close in, did you have any more notes at this time?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:When you get to the OK Corral, I was going to ask.
Speaker B:Okay, the fun and games.
Speaker B:Here are what I'm calling the fun and games.
Speaker B:After Wyatt becomes sheriff at an hour and eight minutes in a two hour movie, the break into two fun and games is fairly succinct.
Speaker B:Wyatt goes to get his Buntline special and strap on his.
Speaker B:His long coat.
Speaker B:So it's almost like the superhero getting his special weapon and putting on his cape.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:What is called, what historians will call the walk down.
Speaker B:Walking down Allen street to the OK Corral.
Speaker B:The actual gunfight at the OK Corral.
Speaker B:And then thereafter, some of the after effects with I'm your Huckleberry or Huckleberry, depending on which.
Speaker C:What does the subtitles say?
Speaker D:It's been confirmed Huckleberry by Val Kilmer himself.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:Huckleberry.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Because Huckleberry was a funeral.
Speaker B:You the guy that.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, so Huckleberry.
Speaker B:Gotcha.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So that's what I'm calling the fun and games.
Speaker B:And it's very quick and succinct, I think.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I think on that slow walk to the OK Corral with that house being on fire behind him, it's like, oh, yeah, their world is now on.
Speaker B:On fire.
Speaker D:On fire.
Speaker B:That fire was put there intentionally.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:How the hell did we get in this situation?
Speaker D:Or how the.
Speaker D:How the hell did we get ourselves into this?
Speaker D:Yes, is what he says.
Speaker B:And so we're at the gunfight you had.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:When.
Speaker A:When you say the.
Speaker A:The gunfight at the O.K.
Speaker A:corral, it was not in.
Speaker A:It was adjacent.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:If you go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you could talk about this, but if you go to the OK Corral.
Speaker B:Did you want to say it?
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker B:It's very literally a six feet wide.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They were in the OK Corral, but it very quickly poured out into the street.
Speaker A:And they have a fence up there now, so you have to go around because they have it fenced off now, right?
Speaker B:I think so, yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But the OK Corral was about a little wider maybe than the length of this table.
Speaker C:That's crazy.
Speaker B:And they were standing there and blazing away at each other with 45 caliber weapons.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They say that they were.
Speaker B:Some of the reasons that they say More people weren't killed quicker is because there was so much gunpowder smoke that they were just blazing away at each other.
Speaker B:Now, Wyatt Earp was not shot, not killed, but he is on record.
Speaker B:The real Wyatt Earp is on record as saying, in any gunfight, speed is fine, but.
Speaker B:But accuracy is everything.
Speaker B:And witnesses will say.
Speaker B:Because they were put on trial, there was a big trial afterwards.
Speaker B:And anyway, witness testimony.
Speaker B:And this is how Wyatt Earp operated because he was absolutely.
Speaker B:They called him a cold fish, but he was absolutely fearless.
Speaker B:Would not panic in any situation.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So he's standing there.
Speaker B:Historically, he's standing there and others are blam, blam, blam.
Speaker B:Shooting panic.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp is sitting there picking his targets.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Slowly.
Speaker B:And every shot is hitting.
Speaker B:Bullets are fl.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And that's Wyatt Earp just in the midst of.
Speaker B:He says, if you could keep your cool, that then you'll win.
Speaker B:On record, historically, Wyatt Earp in interviews about this, saying things like that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I feel like they show that in the movie, emphasize that because later on when it's after Ringo's issued his challenge that he has the whole conversation with Doc about, I can't beat him.
Speaker C:Because that's contrast to what he's saying there.
Speaker C:Yes, Ringo is a quick draw.
Speaker B:Yes, Ringo will be fast and, you know, and he's accurate and he's.
Speaker B:Yes, he's a very deadly pistol.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Why it's not a quick draw.
Speaker B:No, Wyatt.
Speaker C:But if he gets his name on you, he's going to get you in.
Speaker B:That scene with Curly Bill.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Do you have any thoughts about that?
Speaker A:About in the water?
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't want to tread on your.
Speaker A:Oh, no, no, no.
Speaker A:I was just gonna say.
Speaker A:Well, in reality, it wasn't like in the movie Ambush.
Speaker A:It was Wyatt and his men were looking for water for their horses and they just so happened to come up on where Curly Bill and all his guys were camping.
Speaker A:So it wasn't that they were sitting there waiting.
Speaker C:Yeah, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But for movie purposes.
Speaker A:But it was an exciting scene.
Speaker B:It was very exciting.
Speaker B:Now in real life, it is much more haphazard than even that.
Speaker B:So Wyatt Earp, based on his own testimony and witnesses that were with him at the time, you know, his posse, they ride up and they're looking for water.
Speaker B:Well, it's Arizona and August or summer or whatever, so it's very hot.
Speaker B:So Wyatt Earp had loosened his gun belt.
Speaker B:He's riding along on his horse.
Speaker B:He losened his gun belt.
Speaker B:And let it hang loose on his side because it was so hot and constricting.
Speaker B:So they ride up onto the water and find Curly Bill.
Speaker B:And now the shooting has started.
Speaker B:And so Wyatt Earp goes to dismount.
Speaker B:Well, his gun belt is so loose, it falls down around his knees and pins his legs together.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:So now the whole time all this shooting is going, Wyatt Earp is essentially trying to pull up his pants.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He's trying to pull up this gun belt and get it fastened around.
Speaker B:The heel of Wyatt Earp's saddle was blown off.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp's long, long coat was Swiss cheesed.
Speaker B:But he was never hit.
Speaker B:So he gets his belt on, and then he goes to work and kills Curly Bill.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But in real life, bullets are flying, and Wyatt's trying to pull up his pants because his gun belt has fallen down.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker A:But they couldn't show.
Speaker A:I guess who would have to show him walking through the water and still not get shot.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Well, that's the other thing about the superhero.
Speaker B:Where's Wyatt?
Speaker B:Down by the creek, walking on the water.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's why I sort of started in the two guys.
Speaker C:You ever seen anything like that?
Speaker C:I never even heard anything.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So anyway, that's the other thing about this.
Speaker B:You could take a deep dive on the historical.
Speaker B:It's all very cool, man.
Speaker B:And anyway, so we got.
Speaker D:We got way too far ahead there.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:That's where I think the false victory is.
Speaker D:Again, I don't know what false victory means.
Speaker D:You'll have to school me.
Speaker D:But the OK Corral.
Speaker D:Yeah, I think that's the false victory is.
Speaker D:Am I off on that?
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker B:Because I couldn't.
Speaker B:I couldn't label a.
Speaker B:A midpoint.
Speaker C:Yeah, I have that as a midpoint.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because they.
Speaker C:Because they.
Speaker C:They defeat.
Speaker C:You know, at least temporarily defeat the.
Speaker C:The cowboys.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then they bad guys close in after that.
Speaker C:Because then they start.
Speaker C:They bring it.
Speaker C:The cowboys bring it to them, and they.
Speaker C:They kill Virgil and they.
Speaker C:I mean, excuse me.
Speaker C:They kill Morgan and injured Virgil.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:So, yeah, that's what.
Speaker C:So, yeah.
Speaker C:False defeat.
Speaker C:It's false victory.
Speaker C:False defeat is you get either the heroes temporarily defeated or they temporarily defeat the bad guys or temporarily get everything they think they want.
Speaker B:Yes, That's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:So I have.
Speaker B:I have the midpoint when.
Speaker B:After the.
Speaker B:After Curly Bill has been arrested, and it's none of my business anyway.
Speaker B:And I said, this is not a midpoint, but I could not identify one.
Speaker B:But here, Wyatt gets everything.
Speaker B:He thinks he Wants family money.
Speaker B:So regardless, this is a false victory.
Speaker B:I think his false victory is good.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Is getting the money after.
Speaker B:And that's none of my business anyway.
Speaker C:Doesn't want the.
Speaker C:Okay, girl.
Speaker C:Because that's.
Speaker C:Bad guys close in.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, that's good.
Speaker B:But that's early.
Speaker B:So it's not a midpoint.
Speaker B:But his false victory is getting everything he thinks he wanted.
Speaker B:And then what happens afterwards?
Speaker B:Break into two.
Speaker B:The Buntline Special.
Speaker B:Walk down.
Speaker B:The gunfight.
Speaker B:I'm your huckleberry.
Speaker B:And then very quickly, the telescoping of history to bad guys close in.
Speaker B:The Virgil is shot and the cottage is shot up.
Speaker B:I have as the bad guys.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They attacked the women, too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And they.
Speaker C:All the women only survived because of Josephine.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Warning them.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the.
Speaker D:The real lightning.
Speaker D:I had that as a note.
Speaker D:Every strike of lightning apparently caught on film.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Was real.
Speaker B:Was real.
Speaker B:And also.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I remember Cosmoto saying in the laserdisc version, all the lightning was real and all the mustaches are real.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, that is really Arizona at that time.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's absolutely.
Speaker C:That's cool.
Speaker D:And that.
Speaker D:That's where I had that question of.
Speaker D:In the.
Speaker D:In the subtitles, Claude's wife was shot.
Speaker D:I was like, who the hell is Claude?
Speaker B:It's Mayor Klum.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They even.
Speaker D:Mayor Klum.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:So they shot the mayor's wife.
Speaker B:And in reality, there were two newspapers.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The Epitaph and there was another newspaper.
Speaker B:And one newspaper was sympathetic to cowboys.
Speaker B:One was sympathetic to the law and order element, which was wider.
Speaker B:So throughout the months after the OK Corral, these newspapers were arguing back and forth in the papers.
Speaker A:Which one did we.
Speaker B:Which one is the only building that's still there?
Speaker B:I think right beside.
Speaker A:Is near the ok.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's across the street next beside the courtroom where they were held, where Judge Spicer did his thing like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That courtroom is on the street behind the OK Corral.
Speaker A:I thought we parked in front of the.
Speaker B:I'd have to go back.
Speaker B:I can't remember, but I know that they're fairly close or whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because even during the.
Speaker C:I noticed during the funeral march, just with the.
Speaker C:When they're burying the guys that died at the OK Corral, the cowboys are holding signs saying murdered.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's actually.
Speaker B:That's historically accurate that when they did the funeral procession for the.
Speaker B:The Clantons, Ike and all them were holding up a sign that said murdered.
Speaker B:And I think it said in the papers and this kind of thing.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But after the OK Corral, the cowboys retaliate.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So bad Glass Cool is in all his losses.
Speaker C:Morgan dying.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I have the bad guys as Virgil is shot.
Speaker B:The cottage is shot up.
Speaker B:You know, even the women.
Speaker B:All is lost.
Speaker B:I have is a false defeat.
Speaker B:Morgan is shot and killed.
Speaker B:So the false victory is them getting everything.
Speaker B:They want the money.
Speaker B:They're together as a family, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:Which is not a midpoint.
Speaker B:But I think it's their false victory.
Speaker B:False defeat is Morgan is shot and killed.
Speaker B:And then the dark night of the soul.
Speaker B:Very quickly, Wyatt's screaming in the street, why him?
Speaker B:Why him?
Speaker B:And then he's riding out of town telling Curly Bill, just so you know, it's over.
Speaker C:Well, even I like the bit where Josephine comes up back to the.
Speaker C:You're talking about the curse, right?
Speaker C:Especially if it's a superhero genre.
Speaker B:Get away from me.
Speaker C:Don't you see?
Speaker C:Get away from me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker D:And you're welcome for this.
Speaker D:I'm gonna ruin this for you.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker D:That rain.
Speaker D:The hemp.
Speaker D:Kurt Russell in the rain always bugs me.
Speaker D:Because if you look at the rest of the set.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:There is no water falling anywhere but on Kurt Russell.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I would never paid attention.
Speaker D:But, yeah, I've just.
Speaker D:I see it.
Speaker C:He's just got a big old rain cloud coming down on him, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I've never looked close enough to know, but I've never noticed before.
Speaker C:Look in the background.
Speaker C:You're like.
Speaker C:Son of a.
Speaker C:Yeah, that sucks.
Speaker C:She's staying just outside.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Little black rain cloud.
Speaker B:Now, I did notice something when the Earps are riding into town first time.
Speaker B:You know, it's.
Speaker B:It's a sunrise.
Speaker B:The beautiful skies when they're riding out.
Speaker B:It's all.
Speaker B:It's almost the exact same shot from a distance.
Speaker B:You see their silhouette and it's gray sky and overcast.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:So they're riding into town with this hope and promise.
Speaker B:They're riding out under dark skies of darkness and murder and loss and.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:That's when Curly Bill sends Stillwell and Ike to the train to finish him off.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Before that, he has these.
Speaker C:What's become.
Speaker C:I think it's a meme now, the.
Speaker C:Well, bye.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, Absolutely.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:And then Ringo's, you know, again being a.
Speaker C:And amazing line.
Speaker C:Jesus, all that smells like somebody died.
Speaker B:Just a.
Speaker D:And that's so.
Speaker C:I love a good bad guy and I love Michael Bean.
Speaker C:This is like.
Speaker B:This is absolutely cool in this movie.
Speaker D:See this.
Speaker D:This part is When I have it to the third act.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I have the break into three there as well.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker D:Look at me.
Speaker D:I got one.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, because you think they're going to be ambushed and finished off and then.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:He turned the tables on them.
Speaker D:And it's a night and day.
Speaker B:And this is historically accurate as well.
Speaker B:Stilwell was killed by Wyatt earlier today.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's found by the train tracks.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So it appears that Wyatt Earp just didn't blast him with a shotgun.
Speaker B:There were like, 30 bullet holes in this guy.
Speaker B:So Wyatt Earp and maybe the posse that was with him or something all took turns.
Speaker B:They all took turns.
Speaker D:Example.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:As far as dialogue and.
Speaker C:And beat, sort of.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Tell him I'm coming and hell's coming with me.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And Kurt Russell looking crazy as.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:He's a U.S.
Speaker D:marshal.
Speaker D:He now has the biggest badge.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He can use the territory.
Speaker B:Territory over jurisdiction of basically the United States.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's the break into three.
Speaker B:And then you have, you know, the whole storming the castle thing.
Speaker B:This vendetta ride.
Speaker B:It's historically.
Speaker B:It's called the.
Speaker B:So if you read about Wyatt Earp, they'll call it the Vendetta Ride.
Speaker B:And when I first saw this, I wasn't convinced that was accurate.
Speaker B:Then I started reading years ago, and Wyatt Earp actually did go on a ride and start whacking people and one of his brothers.
Speaker A:It did say that one.
Speaker A:That's not in the movie.
Speaker A:But there is one.
Speaker A:Another Herp on that ride.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:That's cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:On my notes here, I have it as writing and killing.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And that's essentially.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In real life.
Speaker B:Like that.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Even the.
Speaker C:The one guy that's in the opium den or whatever, he's all high and he.
Speaker C:Instead of being the pipe, it's the end of the gun.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:No qualms about blowing the back.
Speaker B:Wyatt up is not into.
Speaker B:He's not just going to intimidate you now.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Because Doc Holly will say, oh, make no mistake.
Speaker B:It's not revenge he's looking for, It's a reckoning.
Speaker B:Yeah, Absolutely.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker D:And that brings us to the crossfire at the river, which we've kind of gone through.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:The Vendetta Ride.
Speaker B:The team is Wyatt's posse.
Speaker B:The storming the castle is the actual ride itself.
Speaker C:So his.
Speaker C:Sorry, I had a question about that.
Speaker C:Is back at the river, and it may be, I guess, kind of obvious, but just.
Speaker C:He says, no, no, no, no.
Speaker C:Just like, no, it didn't.
Speaker C:This is not going to end here.
Speaker C:No, I'm not going to end here.
Speaker C:What do you meant by that?
Speaker C:You know?
Speaker C:Yeah, look, I like it the way they do it.
Speaker C:And it's uncertain what.
Speaker C:What.
Speaker D:I guess Curly Bill was coming out of the trees saying, no, he's mine.
Speaker D:He's mine.
Speaker B:Well, they were pinned down and something.
Speaker B:They're saying, do something.
Speaker C:Build on both sides.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Do something quick.
Speaker B:Do something quick.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I kind of think maybe you're right.
Speaker B:No, this is not how it's going to end.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm not done.
Speaker B:They're not gonna.
Speaker B:No, I am not cool.
Speaker C:Even.
Speaker C:Like how.
Speaker C:Yeah, even.
Speaker C:Again, powers, booze and crazy.
Speaker C:Oh, look at that.
Speaker C:Just look at that.
Speaker C:Even he was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, they're totally the theatrics of it probably just thrilled him, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:The hightower surprise.
Speaker C:What's Johnny Ringo doing?
Speaker C:Was he laid out?
Speaker C:Was he drunk?
Speaker C:Was he taking a.
Speaker C:Like, why wasn't he there?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:In real life, he was.
Speaker D:He was with Behan and the other guys because he was riding in that giant posse.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That would have gone down completely differently, I think, if he'd been there, you know.
Speaker D:So glad I took notes.
Speaker D:Fabian arrives in the carriage shot.
Speaker B:And that's the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Just before that is the ride itself.
Speaker B:And the hightower surprise.
Speaker B:If you're looking at the structure of the.
Speaker B:Of the finale.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have is the river ambush.
Speaker B:Doc being sick and having to be taken.
Speaker B:And then ringo's posse of 30 or more.
Speaker B:So they're storming the castle.
Speaker B:And there's always a setback or a surprise.
Speaker B:And I think it occurs across these events better than the.
Speaker C:The challenge from Ringo.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, I have that as the dig deep down after the hightower surprise.
Speaker B:Facing Ringo.
Speaker B:I can't beat him, can I know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Again, love all the scenes and all the dialogue, but, yeah, I really like that scene they had this conversation about, you know, what's.
Speaker C:What's make a man like Ringo do what he does.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Revenge for being born.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Revenge for what?
Speaker C:For being born.
Speaker C:Just makes him like, what a cool bagger.
Speaker C:Like, he's.
Speaker C:He's cooler than Curly.
Speaker C:Curly Bill.
Speaker C:To me, like.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, he's just the epitome Curly Bill is.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I like watching Curly Bill.
Speaker C:I like him, but I don't know.
Speaker C:I like.
Speaker C:I like John Ringo more just.
Speaker C:He's just so evil.
Speaker C:Nothing.
Speaker C:He's got a great hole through the center of him.
Speaker B:You know, Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, it sums about perfectly.
Speaker B:The dig deep down facing real.
Speaker B:And then, you know, because this is setback in a.
Speaker B:And a sort of a second dark moment.
Speaker B:Execution of the new plan according to the structure is obviously.
Speaker B:Doc not quite as thick as I made out.
Speaker C:Looks like, even.
Speaker C:What's it like to wear one of those?
Speaker C:Like, he was playing from that.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe even before that.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know what point he came up with a plan, but for sure, at that point, he wanted that.
Speaker B:So wasn't quite as sick as I made out.
Speaker B:Somebody just walked over your grave.
Speaker B:There's so many lines.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The last ride of Wyatt Earp and his Immortals, which, again, I think lends itself to this idea of the superhero almost.
Speaker C:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:And then again, the execution of the new.
Speaker B:New plan.
Speaker D:And then once he says Wyatt Earp and his Immortals, it's riding and killing.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Writing and killing.
Speaker C:Part two.
Speaker D:And then that's when Ike gives up.
Speaker D:Like, after all that writing and killing and the whole thing, Ike is the last one to wave his thing in the air.
Speaker B:He's surrendered, like, three times.
Speaker D:That's why I was confused.
Speaker D:I was like, was Ike the Big Bad?
Speaker D:Like, everything stops after Ike has been.
Speaker B:Well, he said, I see a cowboy, I kill a.
Speaker B:If I see a red sash, I kill the man wearing it.
Speaker C:Kill the man wearing it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I thought that was just cleanup.
Speaker C:Like, they got rid of Curly Bill.
Speaker C:They got rid of Ringo.
Speaker B:I knew Wike wasn't gonna just clean up.
Speaker C:Sure may could have killed Ike at.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Crowd could have killed him.
Speaker C:Split your head into a canoe.
Speaker C:Just such a sniveling little piece of shit the whole time.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Like, I think even in the okay.
Speaker C:Crowd.
Speaker C:Didn't he tell him, you know, get.
Speaker B:To fighting or getting fights commencing.
Speaker B:Get to fight or get out.
Speaker B:That's that.
Speaker B:That is a quote from witness testimony of the event.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker C:And on his knees, begging, and he.
Speaker B:Really did run away.
Speaker B:He started the fight, ran away and got his brothers killed.
Speaker B:That's the history of it.
Speaker B:He ran away and kept running.
Speaker B:Like he.
Speaker B:In real life, he ran out of the O.K.
Speaker B:corral, like, over three streets and down.
Speaker B:I mean, he just was hightail.
Speaker D:Rumor is he's still running today.
Speaker C:What did they talk about?
Speaker C:The end of the movie you got killed in the Two Years later robbery.
Speaker B:Is also historically accurate.
Speaker C:Dumbass killed.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:All right, so the final image.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't want to skip over anything that you might have left, but just as A way to finalize the structure, the final image.
Speaker B:Doc is on his deathbed, boots off, with his real friend, not Ed Bailey.
Speaker B:I thought that was interesting.
Speaker B:Contrast, you know?
Speaker B:He's talking about Ed Bailey being his friend, but Ed Bailey is not his friend.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp is his friend.
Speaker C:Well, there's some lines before that, too, about back at the river.
Speaker C:I just remember just now, but with Texas Creek where they're talking about.
Speaker C:Why are you out here, Doc?
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker C:Earp's my friend.
Speaker C:Hell, I got lots of friends.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I almost cry every time.
Speaker B:Every time.
Speaker B:Every time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And the thing I didn't catch until I started writing notes and having the subtitles on is Doc just tells Wyatt to go out there and live.
Speaker D:I never caught that before.
Speaker B:For whatever reason, no normal life, just life.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:For me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then he hands in the book, my Friend Doc Holliday by Wyatt.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And there's a little.
Speaker C:Another little thing I like there.
Speaker C:Like, because he's tired of playing.
Speaker C:I don't want to play anymore.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He wins still.
Speaker C:He's not even fucking trying.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Like why it's doing the thing.
Speaker C:And Doc's got so much fucking luck.
Speaker C:Even on his deathbed, he still wins it.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:That's his.
Speaker B:Funny.
Speaker B:Now, the reason he says, funny, like, Doc Holliday never, ever thought he would die.
Speaker B:Like, the reason that Doc Holliday was so brave and fearless.
Speaker B:He wanted to be killed.
Speaker B:He was suffering from tuberculosis and, you know, this kind of thing, and.
Speaker B:And just thought, I don't want to die as an old man or struggling with this.
Speaker B:So he would just get into every situation with the idea that, well, if I die, yeah, I won't survive this.
Speaker B:And it'll be great, you know, because.
Speaker D:He'S not wearing boots.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:So he looks down and.
Speaker B:And by some accounts, this is true, that his last words were funny.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:The last thing I didn't catch, you know.
Speaker D:Glenwood Sanitarium, the first scene you see is the priest giving him last rite.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, you know, there are some reports that.
Speaker B:That Doc Holliday on his deathbed, called in a Catholic, a Presbyterian and a Lutheran.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Just all the locals.
Speaker D:I'm sure he would have got some.
Speaker B:Buddhist if he could have, is what I understand.
Speaker B:Now, he is buried in Glenwood, Colorado, but the city, for its own reasons, will not reveal the location of that grave.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess they don't want a lot of people coming there or whatever, but he Was buried in Glenwood, Colorado.
Speaker B:That's his final image.
Speaker B:The Cowboys, their final image, obviously, is all dead.
Speaker B:Power broken forever.
Speaker B:We win at the beginning, they're completely decimated to the end.
Speaker B:Wyatt obviously didn't know what he wanted.
Speaker B:Thought he knew what he wanted.
Speaker B:Now he's with the one he wants.
Speaker B:I have made a fortune of a different kind than he imagined, which is love, romance, whatever.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He comes to that realization with Doc in the conversation of I know what I want, that's damn misery.
Speaker B:Because he thinks he's going to die.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I finally found out, and now I'm going to die.
Speaker B:And then Doc is going to, at that point, like, save him, you know.
Speaker D:So, like, he's admitted that to Doc.
Speaker D:And then later, in the sanitarium, Doc tells him, go live.
Speaker B:Go.
Speaker D:Go live.
Speaker C:I didn't know I made the comment earlier that we don't necessarily, you know, see when Doc makes a decision to do that.
Speaker C:But I would argue maybe it is right there.
Speaker C:As soon as Wyatt admits that I know what I want.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Maybe that's when Doc of his face or anything.
Speaker C:I don't think.
Speaker B:But maybe that's when he digs deep down and says, if I'm gonna die.
Speaker C:In bed, I'm gonna make sure.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:It lives.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:Never caught that.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker D:And then the last.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because shortly after that.
Speaker C:What's it like to wear one of those?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's awesome.
Speaker B:Now, Johnny Ringo in real life was found propped up against the tree with this bullet hole in his head.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But they don't know how.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:No one knows who shot him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's cool.
Speaker B:But he was.
Speaker C:Doc Holliday killed him.
Speaker C:Tombstone showed us that.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:Some say he probably did suffer from depression and.
Speaker B:And psychotics.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Some of I read.
Speaker C:Said he was even talking about killing himself.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:Like early bills.
Speaker D:Worried about what would happen when he was running that.
Speaker C:My God, what's gonna happen to this outfit when Johnny runs it?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Last thing I didn't catch was where they end up.
Speaker D:Where Josephine is, is in Denver.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It says they're doing a show in Denver.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Why?
Speaker D:And it's a Gilbert and Sullivan show.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I didn't ever caught that.
Speaker D:Ever.
Speaker B:I think I see the pinafores I saw.
Speaker B:I think I see the name of it.
Speaker B:But I never paid much.
Speaker C:I also liked how, like, he.
Speaker C:When he finally comes to her and he's like, I don't have any money.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Like, he's basically broke.
Speaker C:She's like, oh, my.
Speaker B:Don't worry about it.
Speaker C:Oh, well, yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker D:Room service.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker B:No, no, it's a good.
Speaker B:Sweet ending.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I do have one final note, which I think is very interesting, but I'll mention that after.
Speaker B:Sherry, you got any more historical anything good to go?
Speaker A:No, but it just made me think of Overboard.
Speaker A:That was the second movie that Kurt Russell hooks up with a lady that.
Speaker A:Oh, don't worry about it.
Speaker A:I'm rich.
Speaker A:I'm the one with the movie.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Are you going to talk about it, sir?
Speaker C:Sorry?
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, that's the epitaph, or whatever that's called.
Speaker A:You're going to talk about his funeral.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The final paragraph.
Speaker C:Mix wept.
Speaker B:Tom Mix wept.
Speaker B:Now, I don't know if you're aware of this, but there is.
Speaker B:If you are not aware, we have come full circle in these podcasts now, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker B:They're talking about Wyatt Earp's funeral.
Speaker B:Wyatt Earp did, in fact, and this always tantalize me, because Wyatt Earp did go in the 20s to Hollywood and hang out at movie studios and became good friends with Tom Mix, who was a cowboy actor.
Speaker B:And that's always 40 years after Tombstone.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Why is there no existing footage of Wyatt Earp?
Speaker B:I would love to see live action footage of who he.
Speaker B:I've seen old photographs of when he was an old man when he was young, but I'm like, you're around movie studios.
Speaker B:There's got to be some footage of Wyatt Earp somewhere.
Speaker B:That would be so amazing, right?
Speaker B: ar at Wyatt earp's funeral in: Speaker B:Okay, we have come full circle, and here's how the story of Wyatt Earp and Tom Mix, okay, becoming friends, is told in a movie called Sunset.
Speaker B:Bruce Willis plays Tom Mix and James Garner plays Wyatt Earp.
Speaker B:Okay, so you have a Bruce Willis movie about Wyatt Earp and Tom Mix, directed by.
Speaker B:Drum roll, please.
Speaker B:Blake Edwards.
Speaker B:So we started off with a movie by Blake Edwards and Bruce Willis, and we end with a reference to an historical event that is recorded in a movie with Bruce Willis and Blake Edwards.
Speaker B:And Sunset is actually a decent movie.
Speaker B:It's not the slapstick piece of crap that.
Speaker B:Or the movie that everyone loves.
Speaker B:Blake.
Speaker B:Blind Date.
Speaker B:I have Sunset, and it's a decent movie.
Speaker B:It's a fun movie to watch.
Speaker B:James Garner, who had played Wyatt Earp, in series back in the 50s is there.
Speaker B:And it's, it's, it's good movie.
Speaker D:There was a question I had.
Speaker D:Apparently John Wayne was in his late teens.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker D:And he very got to meet Wyatt Earp and he modeled his walk after Wider.
Speaker D:Did Kurt Russell have the same walk in Tombstone?
Speaker D:Because I saw some scenes where he was dragging, I don't know, my mom, my mom calls it, he walks like he has a load of crap in his pants.
Speaker B:Well now here's the thing though.
Speaker B:John Wayne's name is not John Wayne.
Speaker B:It's like John Marin or something.
Speaker B:Marion.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's not anything like John Wayne.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But John Wayne was like in his 20s working as a stagehand when Wyatt Earp was friends with Tom Mix and Tom Mix was making the movies and John Wayne and Wyatt Earp did in fact become acquaintances.
Speaker B:And Wayne is on record as saying that when you see me portraying my, when you see me in movies, what you are seeing is my imitation of Wider.
Speaker B:So what?
Speaker B:So if you wanted to see how Wyatt Earp walked and talked, essentially it's how John Wayne acted in those westerns.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker B:He patterned his whole Persona off his experiences with Wider way back in, when he was in his 20s, before he was even an actor.
Speaker B:So that's, I think, as close as we're going to get to seeing how Wyatt Earp was.
Speaker B:But I found that absolutely tantalizing because.
Speaker C:Even like just think about like, I guess he's.
Speaker C:Now you got me seeing circles.
Speaker C:Kurt Russell and Big Trouble in Little China.
Speaker C:Like essentially that's him doing his John Wayne.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But when I, when I saw that Tom Mix thing and then I thought, because I wasn't sure Blake ever was a direct.
Speaker B:Oh, I think, yeah.
Speaker B:Like Edwards directed it and, and then you got your.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker C:And I guess about Kurt Russell's walk, now I want to like check out other movies and see if he walks different as Wide Herp, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker D:So we do the pass recommend.
Speaker D:Consider.
Speaker B:Yes, I, I, it's an absolute no brainer.
Speaker B:This movie is probably in my top five.
Speaker B:It is absolutely quotable.
Speaker B:And I never like we watched it two or three times in preparation for this and I never got tired of it a single time.
Speaker D:Oh yeah.
Speaker D:It's one of those movies that not only should you see it, you should own it.
Speaker D:Oh.
Speaker D:You should have a hard physical copy.
Speaker B:And you should work lines in almost every conversation you have because Right.
Speaker B:Well, by.
Speaker B:You know, it is so brilliantly and stylistically written.
Speaker B:Like every, like I'm serious, but every 90 seconds, every 15 seconds.
Speaker B:I don't know, but it's very close.
Speaker B:It can't be over two minutes.
Speaker B:There's a cool line.
Speaker D:There was.
Speaker D:There's one error that I.
Speaker D:That I don't know if anybody caught.
Speaker D:But I.
Speaker D:If I caught it on my 40 inch little tiny TV.
Speaker D:On your bigger TVs, you'll be able to see it right after Kate.
Speaker D:And Doc calls Kate the Antichrist might be the Antichrist.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:The cowboys arrive into town.
Speaker D:There's yellow and orange slickers.
Speaker D:Like you can see it.
Speaker D:They're wearing orange and yellow plastic.
Speaker C:The cowboys are.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well, that's the only time you see that in the whole movie.
Speaker D:There's like eight or ten of them.
Speaker D:But it's such an odd.
Speaker B:Well there.
Speaker B:And they may be slickers, but.
Speaker B:But there were long canvas white Ish overcoats that they would wear.
Speaker D:These are yellow and orange.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But they.
Speaker B:Because they.
Speaker B:And they were.
Speaker B:They were coated with some kind of animal fat or oil to make them waterproof.
Speaker B:And the reason they were so long is so that you could wear them over your legs and the burrs and stickers wouldn't get into you as you're riding through the brush on a horse.
Speaker B:And that's, that's why they're so long, you know.
Speaker B:But they did turn to tend to turn brownish or tan colored with all.
Speaker D:The dirt and more natural colors.
Speaker B:Yeah, but, but certainly not.
Speaker B:I'd have to go back and look.
Speaker C:But I didn't see it.
Speaker B:Orange.
Speaker D:Next time you watch, it's that scene right after Doc tells you that the Antichrist.
Speaker B:Okay, I'll check it out.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:I'm like, what?
Speaker D:They'd had those colors in the back.
Speaker D:It must be a.
Speaker D:Must be a goofy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, if it is a goof, I would say that it's either, you know, combatoasted that shot or the other guy, Kevin Jar.
Speaker D:Surely.
Speaker C:But Russell didn't do that shot.
Speaker D:Either way, don't let it deter you from.
Speaker B:I don't think I've ever paid anything.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'll check that out.
Speaker B:But yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Recommend for me as well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes, highly recommend.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This movie is so.
Speaker B:It's, it's just.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker D:One of the best.
Speaker B:One of the best.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I guess we are.
Speaker B:That was too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Very cool.
Speaker B:I think there is a cool line about every 12 seconds in this movie.
Speaker D:Owner of the birdcage.
Speaker D:I'm like, guys, quit it.
Speaker D:He's laughing like an idiot all day long.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:I don't know if eight hours on this disc would be enough recording time.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:The Wyatt Earp was a bully because it was a tool.
Speaker D:Law and Order.
Speaker D:Every time.
Speaker D:That's us.
Speaker B:Set Dark creators are unheralded heroes.
Speaker D:It's been confirmed.
Speaker D:Huckleberry by Val Kilmer himself.
Speaker B:Okay, Uncle Barry, all the lightning was real.
Speaker B:And all the mustaches are real.
Speaker D:Kurt Russell in the rain always bugs me.
Speaker C:And Kurt Russell looking crazy as.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:Never caught that.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:So now the whole time all this shooting is going, Wyatt Earp is essentially trying to pull up his pants, right?
