A Critical Examination of 'Point Break': Action, Identity, and Morality
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This podcast episode delves into the cinematic exploration of "Point Break," highlighting its enduring status as a cult classic within the action genre. The discussion illuminates the intricate dynamics between the characters, particularly focusing on Johnny Utah's transformation as he navigates the duality of law enforcement and the allure of a free-spirited lifestyle embodied by Bodhi. We analyze how the film deftly intertwines themes of camaraderie, betrayal, and the existential quest for meaning through adrenaline-fueled escapades. Our discourse also reflects on the film's technical aspects, including its memorable action sequences and the cultural impact it has had since its release. As we dissect pivotal moments, we invite listeners to consider the complex motivations of each character, ultimately questioning the sacrifices made in the pursuit of one's ideals.
Takeaways:
- The exploration of cinematic mechanics can unveil profound insights into filmmaking.
- Creating a successful film is an intricate process that often defies initial expectations.
- The evolution of a film's status from obscurity to cult classic can be fascinating.
- A film's nostalgic appeal can evoke strong emotional responses, regardless of its technical merits.
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Speaker B:Studying a movie in the mechanical level, I think can really bring some revelation.
Speaker C:I believe that no one sets out to make a bad movie with the exception of.
Speaker D:On paper.
Speaker D:This should work.
Speaker B:This should work.
Speaker D:I just don't like it.
Speaker A:That's your own fault if you haven't seen it.
Speaker B:Way over budget.
Speaker B:Start cutting scenes.
Speaker B:Even the actors don't know what that movie is about.
Speaker B:Shit, I could.
Speaker B:I wish I wrote that, which.
Speaker C:I love the title, but that movie's trash.
Speaker B:Well, don't meal, man.
Speaker B:It's good for you.
Speaker B:All right, here we are, Fellowship of the real 4.
Speaker B:Four friends sitting around talking about movies.
Speaker B:This was James.
Speaker B:James pick.
Speaker D:Yeah, my pick.
Speaker B:Point Break.
Speaker B:I would have bet money that this would have been Chris's pick, but it was.
Speaker C:It was a lucky break for me.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was picked for him.
Speaker D:It was one of those movies you just.
Speaker D:It was going to be reviewed, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:It just had to be Phil Chagrin.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, we didn't.
Speaker B:We didn't.
Speaker B:I thought we had owned this movie.
Speaker B:I thought Chris had given to me.
Speaker B:I couldn't find it.
Speaker B:So we went down to, like, Movie Trader, and I think we bought it for four bucks on DVD or whatever.
Speaker B:And I thought it was very interesting when we bought it.
Speaker B:You know, the guy rings it up, he gives it to us, and as he's handing it to us, he goes, man, you guys enjoy that?
Speaker B:That's a classic.
Speaker B:And it does have that status, right?
Speaker B:I mean, in a certain genre.
Speaker B:This is a classic of that genre.
Speaker B:We've all seen Hot Fuzz, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, have you ever chased a criminal while shooting?
Speaker B:You know, so it is hailed, even parodied, Right.
Speaker B:As, you know, a classic of the genre, you know, and has made appearances in at least one movie, you know, Hot Fuzz or whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it always fascinates me while, like, certain movies become classics or cult status.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Other than just being, you know, like, I guess one thing classics, like just really well made movies, well acted.
Speaker C:Everything's firing on all cylinders.
Speaker C:It just, it's, you know, I just find it interesting that, like, I love this movie and maybe I guess by the end of the podcast we'll be able to explain it, but I'm not sure I can even fully explain why I love this movie so much.
Speaker C:Because, yeah, there's other movies that are better stories, better acted, you know, better made.
Speaker C:But I mean, I don't know, there's.
Speaker C:I don't know, there's a lot of technical aspects that I like about this movie.
Speaker C:But yeah, I just, I don't know, love it.
Speaker C:Like it's.
Speaker C:I think we talked about this before.
Speaker C:Like comfort movies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:This is I guess without realizing it until starting to think about it.
Speaker C:This is a comfort movie for me.
Speaker C:I could put it in at any time and.
Speaker C:And watch it and can quote it without.
Speaker C:You know, I haven't seen it in 10 years and still quote it.
Speaker C:That kind of thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it probably.
Speaker C:The quotes probably work their way.
Speaker C:Like I think we talked about this before.
Speaker C:Like some people are music people.
Speaker C:Like they hear a song or whatever and I guess they're singing that song in their head and we're like.
Speaker C:I'm like movie quotes, like movie quotes come out of my mouth in like everyday life.
Speaker C:Applying situations.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker C:Point Break.
Speaker C:You know, like I know it, it comes out, it's interesting.
Speaker C:It's like Tombstone.
Speaker C:Like a highly quotable movie to me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I hadn't seen it in a long time and I thought that it mostly held up.
Speaker B:I thought there were.
Speaker B:And as we go we'll discuss this.
Speaker B:But I thought there was only maybe one or two cringe moments where I thought it was over the top 80s which it wasn't made in the 80s.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it was like 91.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: th,: Speaker B:And so to me in that sense it felt like that it was a movie late to the party almost because of the 80s action genre.
Speaker B:This felt more like that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Than it did say something in the.
Speaker B:Even if it is early 90s.
Speaker B:But so it felt like it was the tail end of.
Speaker B:Of that kind of action genre, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean I guess yes and no to me.
Speaker C:Like I guess it.
Speaker C:I see what you're saying.
Speaker C:But I think early 90s still had a lot of those kinds of movies.
Speaker C:To me I feel like after Matrix everything changed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like as far as action movies go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Cuz like con air was 97 if I remember right.
Speaker C:Face off was like 97, 96.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:So yeah, those are kind of the same.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker C:The early to mid-90s then after.
Speaker C:I don't know why but I guess technology and all the cgi.
Speaker C:I guess with Matrix and I love Matrix but it was a different kind of action movie.
Speaker C:It wasn't just a blow people up kind of thing.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I feel like to me that's when it changed.
Speaker C:But yeah, it definitely.
Speaker C:That's my favorite part is the fraction movies is the 80s and 90s.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I always think of just the 80s like 80s.
Speaker C:80S produced the most original, best movies, period.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:As far as the even music for that.
Speaker C:The actual good music from the 80s, but yeah, movies for sure.
Speaker C:That genre or that time period.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, agree with that, James.
Speaker C:You disagree.
Speaker D:That's a very elder millennial thing to say, is it was better back in the 80s and 90s.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I am older, sir, but, yeah, we're.
Speaker D:This.
Speaker D:This came out when we were kids.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:I can't remember when I saw it first.
Speaker C:I know I didn't see it in theater.
Speaker D:I can't either.
Speaker D:And this is what I wanted to get to maybe a little bit in the story, but I never caught it until these last viewings.
Speaker D:I always just.
Speaker D:I knew that Patrick Swayze and the.
Speaker D:He was the Ex Presidents.
Speaker D:He was the guy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:I just always knew that.
Speaker C:But they do hide it from you.
Speaker D:They hide it from you.
Speaker D:And now looking at it with more experienced eyes, I'm like, oh, this is great.
Speaker D:This is really great.
Speaker C:Yeah, I watched it with Leith and he.
Speaker C:I mean, he predicted it, but he kind of, like, you're saying, brought it to my attention that, oh, they do kind of hide it a little bit.
Speaker B:Yeah, they.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker C:I mean, it's not like a big mystery that it's hard to figure out, but he was, you know, he.
Speaker C:Definitely a little bit of a.
Speaker C:He's like, oh, I knew it.
Speaker C:I knew it.
Speaker C:They were the.
Speaker C:He's like.
Speaker C:Like he was all excited that they were the Ex Presidents.
Speaker C:And then he was like, oh, but they're, you know, they're friends.
Speaker C:That's kind of a bummer.
Speaker C:He was immediately bummed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he was like, well, what's going to happen now?
Speaker C:You know?
Speaker B:So, yeah, I do.
Speaker B:I did enjoy the exchanges between Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, those are all good.
Speaker C:You're not going to start chanting or something, are you?
Speaker B:Well, even.
Speaker B:Even at the end, when they're at odds, Patrick Swayze has kidnapped the girl or whatever and is using her as leverage and he's laying it out to Keanu about what needs to happen.
Speaker B:And Keanu doesn't even think.
Speaker B:He doesn't hesitate.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:And Patrick Swayze just laughs.
Speaker B:He said, that's what I love about you.
Speaker B:You're sharp as a knife, man.
Speaker B:Like, even when they're at odds, I like those exchanges.
Speaker B:I thought Patrick Swayze just laugh and reaction to Keanu Reeves not even hesitating.
Speaker B:Let's go then.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:I thought.
Speaker B:I dug that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, this is my favorite Patrick Swayze performance.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Not my favorite Swayze movie, but favorite performance.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:He's just.
Speaker C:He's great in this movie, which I think is a big part of why I haven't.
Speaker C:Can't bring myself to watch the.
Speaker C:The new one.
Speaker B:I don't know why I don't.
Speaker C:And maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker C:I could be way wrong.
Speaker C:I don't even know who's playing them, but I feel like the Bodhi and the new one's just not going to be able to hold a candle to Patrick.
Speaker B:I don't know why, even.
Speaker C:And of course I love Keanu Reeves, so that's gonna mess with.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have no idea why they remade it that.
Speaker D:Well, they remade it.
Speaker D:They remade it as Fast and the Furious, so.
Speaker C:Yeah, because Fast and Furious is the same story.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So why did they just remake it again?
Speaker C:It's the same story as this.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Same story.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:The original Fast and Furious.
Speaker C:Same story.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, which.
Speaker C:You've seen the new Point Break.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker C:No, you haven't.
Speaker C:You haven't.
Speaker D:That's what I mean.
Speaker D:Just, like, create a surfing movie, same.
Speaker C:Plot surface, but they're more extreme sports type stuff.
Speaker B:Yes, extreme sports.
Speaker B:And then they rob.
Speaker B:It's not just banks.
Speaker B:Seemed like the.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I can't remember what crime they were committing anyway.
Speaker C:I mean, they're one of those remakes where I was like.
Speaker C:And that's interesting to me, too.
Speaker C:Like, some remakes I'm okay with, and certain ones you're not.
Speaker C:You know, that was one where I was like, nope.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, Immediately.
Speaker D:Immediately.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker B:Yeah, No, I will not watch it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So money, critics, fans, money.
Speaker B:It did great.
Speaker B:James, do you have this information or do you want me to read it?
Speaker D:Go for it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Jumping right ahead.
Speaker B:The budget was 24 million estimated, they say.
Speaker B:That's probably about right.
Speaker B:24 million total.
Speaker C:That was hair.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker D:Yeah, they had the cgi.
Speaker D:Patrick Swayze's hair on.
Speaker B:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker B:No, no, the budget was 24 million estimated.
Speaker B:43 million in the US and worldwide, 83 million total, which is pretty good return.
Speaker B:So it was well received at the box office.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:But even in, like, the 90s, like, there was movies grossing over 100.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So it's not astronomical.
Speaker C:Well, like, it's one of those.
Speaker C:That it built.
Speaker C:It had to have built a following on rental and cable and that kind of thing.
Speaker B:Well, I think it.
Speaker B: or three weeks ago, and it's: Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, you know, this.
Speaker B:It has become a classic.
Speaker B:And I think it is a classic of that type of action genre, you know, for sure.
Speaker C:And it's interesting me, like, there's been certain movies where I've, like, had to force my kid to watch and other ones he's interested in.
Speaker C:But, like, to him, this was.
Speaker C:I'm gonna watch John Wick young.
Speaker C:Like, that's where he's coming from.
Speaker C:Which is crazy to me, but.
Speaker C:And I get it because he's 15.
Speaker C:But I'm like, what?
Speaker C:No, we're watching Keanu Reeves son.
Speaker C:This is well before John Wick.
Speaker C:As cool as John Wick is.
Speaker C:I love John Wick, but.
Speaker C:So it was just.
Speaker C:It was interesting, but he was interested and.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was.
Speaker C:We're like, speed.
Speaker C:I don't think he's watched that one.
Speaker C:And I'm like, what's the matter with you?
Speaker C:You got to watch speed, too.
Speaker A:Okay, that's.
Speaker A:That's the one I like.
Speaker A:And I just watched that again not long ago.
Speaker A:I do, too, anyhow.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker B:Well, that's fine.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:As far as the critics, they were relatively kind.
Speaker B:70% gave it three and a half stars or higher.
Speaker B:And then audiences are a little kinder with 79%, which is.
Speaker B:I'm sure you're hardcore action movie fans, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Giving it three and a half stars.
Speaker B:So respectable scores there, I guess, you know.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's a solid movie all the way.
Speaker D:And it's.
Speaker D:It's been popular since the early 90s.
Speaker D:So it never.
Speaker D:Never really went away.
Speaker B:No, it.
Speaker B:No, it has no right.
Speaker C:Mikura's say how many I'd have to look at.
Speaker C:I didn't.
Speaker C:Would have been good research, I guess, like surfing movies.
Speaker C:Like, how many surfing movies were made before this?
Speaker C:How many after, you know, kind of thing.
Speaker C:I hadn't thought about it.
Speaker C:Still.
Speaker C:I think something.
Speaker C:There's not a lot of surfing movies out there.
Speaker B:No, I can't.
Speaker C:Blue Crush.
Speaker C:And there's.
Speaker C:I mean, especially action ones like this.
Speaker D:I think on this.
Speaker D:I think on this trivia that was part of the writing process, as they were like, what are we going to have them do?
Speaker D:Yeah, like surfing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I think there was a lot of debate about that of really surfing.
Speaker D:But it's perfect for this movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, I was.
Speaker B:I don't know if I was surprised.
Speaker B:I guess I was a little surprised that if a female directed this movie.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:And then I was even more surprised that it was Kathryn Bigelow who later, I think she won an Academy Award.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:For Hurt Locker.
Speaker B:Right, Hurt Locker.
Speaker B:And then she did some other movie, I thought I.
Speaker C:Zero Dark.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then Strange Days was her as well.
Speaker C:And I like the movies.
Speaker C:I think it's an underrated movie, but I like that one.
Speaker C:So married to Cameron at one point.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's.
Speaker D:That's what I was going to verify.
Speaker D:Yeah, she was married to Cameron, so.
Speaker C:I don't know, you know, obviously 90.
Speaker C:I mean not she 100.
Speaker C:Proved herself.
Speaker C:But I just, I wonder if, you know, he helped her get this gig.
Speaker C:Maybe, you know, I'm Cameron, I'm a big action guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You can let her direct this movie because, yeah, she did a phenomenal job.
Speaker C:It had to have been a woman directing an action movie.
Speaker C:People had to have turned heads even back.
Speaker B:Yeah, especially back then.
Speaker B:But then she would later go on to win an Academy Award, so.
Speaker D:Yeah, and those, those two movies, Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty are very good.
Speaker D:Yeah, I could only watch them once.
Speaker D:They were pretty intense.
Speaker B:Yeah, I watched Hurt Locker.
Speaker B:I don't haven't seen Zero Dark.
Speaker B:I probably couldn't watch Hurt Locker again.
Speaker D:No, no, it's one and done.
Speaker D:Great movie.
Speaker B:And I guess James Cameron was a producer on this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Like I think it is a classic.
Speaker B:I think it largely holds up.
Speaker B:And, and for those little cringe moments, we can get to him and we start talking.
Speaker B:We talk about them when we get to him.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:For me, one of the cringe.
Speaker B:Okay, so this is what it is.
Speaker C:But watch your mouth, sir.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Keanu Reeves is Johnny Utah.
Speaker D:Yeah, kid Johnny Unitis or something.
Speaker C:The shit they pull.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Quarterback.
Speaker B:Quarterback.
Speaker B:And so you know, Johnny Utah, you know, very on the nose.
Speaker B:So you on nose.
Speaker B:Gung ho, young, dumb and full of, you know, name.
Speaker C:Dumb and full of company.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So you don't like the name Johnny?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:To me it is straight up, you know, to me that's a.
Speaker B:That's a.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a cringe moment.
Speaker D:That's a Keanu Reeves.
Speaker D:How many times has Keanu Reeves been named John?
Speaker C:Yeah, I know there's not a lot, but.
Speaker C:Johnny Mnemonic.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:John Wick.
Speaker D:John Wick.
Speaker C:And then this one, there's probably one we're missing.
Speaker B:John, what was he in?
Speaker B:Well, he played the like not the devil, but was about the.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker C:Devil's advocate.
Speaker C:No, no, John Constantine, you're right.
Speaker B:Was he John Constantine in it?
Speaker B:See, I was trying to remember Constantine But I didn't know his name was John.
Speaker D:A lot of Johns.
Speaker B:That's interesting.
Speaker D:Anyway.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Johnny Utah in this one.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Like, this can be interesting to see how 100 biased I am.
Speaker C:I feel like it's.
Speaker C:I see what you're saying about the name, but Johnny.
Speaker C:Johnny Utah sounds like a quarterback name to me.
Speaker C:Like, once I hear the name, I see the name on the back of a jersey.
Speaker C:Even though you never see that in the movie.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's actually one of my favorite scenes in the movie is when they're playing football on the beach and he gets all serious and tackles Patrick and Roach gets all pissed off and gets in his face.
Speaker C:Oh, Roach.
Speaker C:Don't you know who this is?
Speaker C:No, I don't know who the fuck this is.
Speaker C:Yeah, this is Johnny Utah.
Speaker C:Johnny fucking Utah.
Speaker C:I'm sorry, man.
Speaker C:I didn't mean to get in your face.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Complete.
Speaker C:Complete turnaround.
Speaker C:Like, Roach is one of my favorite characters in the whole thing.
Speaker C:But anyhow, so I like it as a quarterback name, but yeah, as.
Speaker C:And maybe it's a throwback to the 80s because there's so many Johns.
Speaker C:And like, Schwarzenegger played a million Johns, too.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's silly.
Speaker B:And you have the.
Speaker B:So when you're writing a story, there are genre expectations.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so again, you have Utah and Pappas.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Gary Busey's character.
Speaker C:He's great.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But it's very much the buddy cop stereotypes.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:You got the old one, the young one, you know?
Speaker C:Do you think they offered anything fresh, or is it just more a rehash of stuff we'd seen?
Speaker C:Like, their relationship, I think.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think it was the same as, say, Lethal Weapon with Riggs.
Speaker B:And what about Murtaugh?
Speaker B:Because Murtaugh was older and Papas is older, but he acts closer to Utah, Keanu Reeves character than Murtaugh sort of acts towards Rigs.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:I saw more 48 hours.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:That type of Gary Busey and Nick Nolte kind of.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Vibe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's what I thought of.
Speaker D:But, you know, it.
Speaker D:I don't think it had another parallel.
Speaker D:Like, if you were saying Lethal Weapon.
Speaker B:Well, there was the requisite for an.
Speaker C:Older cop and a younger cop.
Speaker B:Well, for the genre.
Speaker B:Buddy cop.
Speaker B:The requisite angry captain who screams every line.
Speaker C:Oh, for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So far you've showed me squat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think he talks in a normal voice in the whole movie.
Speaker C:Except maybe that guy can't talk normal voice.
Speaker C:Phil.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:So it did hit some of those cliches, which.
Speaker B:That's what you expect in those.
Speaker B:In that.
Speaker C:Yeah, you're supposed to be on their side, even though they're breaking the rule, as, you know, people, that, you know lawmen.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, you're supposed to be against the captain.
Speaker C:Fuck that guy.
Speaker B:When you are, you are.
Speaker D:Was it cliche when this came out?
Speaker B:No, no, this part's a cliche.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because you had.
Speaker C:You have to go back.
Speaker C:Because 48 hours was before their captain yelled.
Speaker C:Lethal Weapon was before their captain yelled.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Dirty Harry yelled.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, Yelder was always on their ass and, you know, whatever.
Speaker C:Is it a cliche or is it just a requirement like you said?
Speaker B:It's a genre expectation.
Speaker C:Like, I think things go.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's expectations, and then they become cliches after that.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker B:And one of my favorite movies.
Speaker B:So I Married an Axe Murderer, spins that cliche.
Speaker A:That's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker D:Was that good?
Speaker B:Was that.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, you're doing great.
Speaker B:You know, not now.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker B:Well, absolutely, you know, and then it.
Speaker D:Flipped it on its head and Last Action Hero, when.
Speaker D:When they go in the movie and the captain yells so hard the door breaks.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, because that was the cartoon version.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker D:And I guess that's about when it died, probably.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:We should.
Speaker D:We should review Last Action Hero.
Speaker B:Oh, I love that movie.
Speaker B:I know, Chris, it's not a.
Speaker D:What?
Speaker C:I'm going to be sick that day, I think.
Speaker C:No, like we said before, I'll review anything.
Speaker C:Last Action Hero, Sleeping with the Enemy, Sound of Music, whatever it is.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker C:Here we go.
Speaker D:Blind date.
Speaker C:Blind.
Speaker C:Blind date.
Speaker A:Ooh, still Magnolias.
Speaker C:Still makes.
Speaker C:Still Magnus.
Speaker C:That's the one.
Speaker C:That's what you're talking about.
Speaker C:I actually like that movie.
Speaker C:I think it's very good.
Speaker C:Hit you right in the feels.
Speaker C:It's bullshit, but it hits you right in the fields.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker C:But, yeah, Last Action Steel Magnolias is a better movie than Last Action Hero.
Speaker C:I'm going to say it right now.
Speaker D:You're going to use that as a bumper.
Speaker C:I'll say it again.
Speaker C:Still, Magnolia is a better movie.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I edit these things.
Speaker B:Chris, you can say what you want.
Speaker B:It's never going to show.
Speaker C:That is the.
Speaker C:That is the one.
Speaker C:Never mind.
Speaker B:Anyway, all right, so I guess we can get into the breakdown here.
Speaker D:All right.
Speaker B:Any other thoughts or notes that we want to.
Speaker B:We can go with.
Speaker D:I Didn't make as many notes on this one, but I did watch it probably seven times because I think I watched it twice.
Speaker D:After we postponed.
Speaker D:Scheduling issues, I refreshed, so I watched it another two or three times.
Speaker C:That was my goal.
Speaker C:And I didn't do that on either one of these movies.
Speaker C:So I guess my saving grace is I've seen both of them several times.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I always have these lofty goals and then don't follow through.
Speaker A:I watched it once, probably a month ago, and I don't remember.
Speaker C:Have you.
Speaker C:Had you seen it before?
Speaker A:I saw it years and years ago.
Speaker C:I asked you that a minute ago if you'd seen it before or not.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I guess all my notes are for.
Speaker C:To get into it.
Speaker C:Like, I don't have anything prior.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:You want to read the.
Speaker D:What is it?
Speaker D:The synopsis.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:I didn't write.
Speaker B:I didn't get this.
Speaker D:I've got just the thing on IMDb an FBI agent goes undercover to get to catch a gang of surfers who may be bank robbers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:That one's nice and sweet.
Speaker D:Not like the other ones we've done.
Speaker C:It's true.
Speaker C:Yeah, that was a very good one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:The thing that got me when I first started watching this again, the first scene is Johnny Utah in the rain.
Speaker D:Contrast to, I guess, Patrick Swayze silhouette riding waves.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:These are their opening images.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And to me, it was more than just the rain.
Speaker C:It's him in this, you know, black and white, strict, rigid rule world.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's having to qualify or whatever he's doing for FBI.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then Patrick is free out there on the ocean.
Speaker C:I thought it's just the two.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just position of their.
Speaker C:Of their.
Speaker D:The first thing that you see Johnny Utah doing is unpacking a thing of bubble gum and throw it in his mouth.
Speaker D:And the line occurred to me of, I came to kick ass and shoot bubblegum.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker C:That was before.
Speaker C:That was like 87, I think.
Speaker C:I wonder if that was some sort of.
Speaker D:The shotgun.
Speaker D:And scores.
Speaker D:Whatever he.
Speaker C:100 Utah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Thumbs up.
Speaker D:It's like.
Speaker B:Well, what I.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:Those are excellent.
Speaker B:What I wrote for these two setups is two masters of their craft are headed for a collision.
Speaker B:So down to Utah.
Speaker B:They're both being shown as masters of what they're doing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Two trains.
Speaker B:And these two trains are going to.
Speaker C:Cause he got 100% and he's 100% on that surfboard.
Speaker B:Yeah, right, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well, I was.
Speaker D:I was also thinking for character development part when I guess in the next scene when he's introduced to John C.
Speaker D:McGinley, they're.
Speaker D:They're yapping and talking.
Speaker D:Johnny Utah has been super successful his entire life.
Speaker D:He was a college quarterback.
Speaker D:He went to law school.
Speaker D:Like, he's hitting on all cylinders as a perfect, you know, Law and Order every time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:A guy.
Speaker D:And he even say, I take my skin off.
Speaker D:Chicken breast, sir.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:And then to stick it to him and grabs a donut.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker D:Love these things.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:So you already see, like, a little bitty hint of rebellion even though he's scored 100.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:No, that's good.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I hadn't thought about that because I want to say those were cringe moments, but it was.
Speaker B:It's very much, you know, the.
Speaker B:I think I.
Speaker B:I can't remember if it was a line.
Speaker B:Well, I think.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:What's her name?
Speaker B:I can't remember.
Speaker B:His love interest, Lori Petty.
Speaker C:And she's Tyler in the movie.
Speaker B:Tyler.
Speaker B:Yes, Tyler.
Speaker B:And I'll probably say it when we get to it, but at some point she says, you know, wait.
Speaker B:She leaves a conversation they're all having and she says, just, you know, way too muchismo here or whatever.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:They're at the fire.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And I was.
Speaker B:And I remember thinking, yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's this.
Speaker D:I could do it, man.
Speaker D:I could do it.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:And I said, that's a good summary of this movie.
Speaker B:Like, just full throttle on the macho, you know, That's, I think, the source of some of the cringe, but not a whole lot.
Speaker B:I think largely it held up or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think we agree on the opening image.
Speaker B:It's set up day one in the FBI.
Speaker B:Number one at Quantico, you say he was number one at Quantico, to your point, and signed to the bank robbery division.
Speaker C:And Pappas is the one that reveals the quarterback stuff, Right?
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:When he's blindfolded.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I don't think McGinley says anything about the quarterback stuff.
Speaker C:It's all the law stuff.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah, he just knows about number one at Quantico.
Speaker C:And give me some new parts from quarterback, you know, snot nose kid or whatever it is.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Quarterback punk.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And immediately.
Speaker C:What the hell does retrieving bricks have to do with.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Well, that his partner is immediately contra contrasted as old school.
Speaker B:I'm in the field 22 years.
Speaker B:He rubs against the new and modern a little bit crazy is what I have.
Speaker B:So he's not the straight up cliche of, say, Murtal.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker D:Would you.
Speaker D:I know we talked about in another episode about Half Men, Half Man.
Speaker D:Does that apply to him, do you think?
Speaker D:To Pappas?
Speaker D:Because he's been after the Ex Presidents forever and he's got the knowledge to show Utah that.
Speaker D:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker C:I think he's more of a mentor.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, I've talked about this before where Half man generally comes from the horror stuff, but.
Speaker C:But, you know, I've pointed out Half Men in other movies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think to be a Half man, you have to have survived.
Speaker C:He would have had to have gone up against the Ex Presidents and, like, almost died or something.
Speaker C:And then, like, to be a Half, because you're Half man, you have some sort of scar that you're dealing with or.
Speaker C:I think here he's just more of a mentor role because the mentor has the, you know, Obi Wan has the tools and the knowledge to give Luke to make him a Jedi.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So every mentor has those.
Speaker C:I think he's just more of a mentor role as opposed to a Half man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Learning stuff every day.
Speaker C:I mean, I think.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, could be dead wrong.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker B:So still, in the setup, we meet Utah, we meet Pappas, the robbers, the bank robbers.
Speaker B:Prior to knowing that, you know, that they're Patrick Swayze's group, you know, loud, fast, violent, professional.
Speaker B:The Ex President, he's saying the best I've ever seen.
Speaker B:Pappas is saying this about him.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Snarky comments throughout.
Speaker B:And then the setup of the flat of the guy who moons, you know, the guy flashes his butt and that is going to be a payoff.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Later down the line.
Speaker B:And Pappas.
Speaker B:So he doesn't reveal this to Utah right away that he.
Speaker C:Yeah, the other guys do.
Speaker C:Has he told you the department loves it.
Speaker C:Totally radical dude.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just starts really messing with Pappas.
Speaker B:His theory is machi, so he's reluctant.
Speaker B:And Utah basically has to, you know, drag it out of him through this.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They have an argument or whatever or gets him mad.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Why don't you take some early retirement?
Speaker C:Tell NOM stories.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I have the catalyst as Pap is sort of saying that the Ex Presidents are surface.
Speaker B:That's his theory.
Speaker B:Is that where you have the sort of.
Speaker B:The call, the catalyst?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because that's him agreeing or whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Because his breaking into Utah's breaking into two is agreeing to do this.
Speaker C:And you want me to learn to surf?
Speaker C:This is for little rubber people or whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, that's his.
Speaker C:You know, I'm an FBI agent.
Speaker C:Really, you know, that's his break into two for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He answers the call and buys a board.
Speaker B:But there is a debate, you know, how hard can it be?
Speaker B:Papa says Utah wipes out.
Speaker B:He's saved by Tyler Endicott.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Tyler Ann Endicott, who will become essentially the B story, I think, leading him into who he wants to become.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker C:Oh, you think she's the B story?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker C:I have bodies to be.
Speaker B:Well, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I could see that, too.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker C:Normally B story and love story are the same person, but in this case, I think she's just the.
Speaker B:Yeah, I have.
Speaker D:You know, it's definitely a bromance between him and Brody.
Speaker C:Right, Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:I don't think they knew what that was called back in the 90s, but for sure, these days we call it bromance romance.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess because she teaches him to surf.
Speaker B:And yes, I think he emulates Bodhi.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I guess at the end he does throw his badge away, but he.
Speaker C:Doesn'T think that's because of Bodhi, not because of Tyler.
Speaker C:Like, I think he has a more of effect on his ideology and the way he sees the world than.
Speaker C:Than Tyler does.
Speaker D:Well, yeah, because he.
Speaker D:He basically starts his relationship with Tyler just as an undercover 8 unit guy trying to get in.
Speaker D:So he lies to her about his parents dying.
Speaker D:That strikes a cord with her.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, he.
Speaker B:Yeah, he.
Speaker B:He researched, and her parents died.
Speaker C:He was looking for different stuff.
Speaker D:And emotionally.
Speaker D:Emotionally, you know, manipulates her to help him surf and get in.
Speaker B:And I sort of have that as my break into two pursues Tyler with a BS story about his own parents.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Which, you know, you were talking about things that kind of draw you out of the movie.
Speaker D:This is supposed to take place over a summer, I think.
Speaker B:So it's the end of the surf season.
Speaker B:They're about to do their last robbery, so they can.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's supposed to be the summer, so Johnny.
Speaker D:Johnny Unitis.
Speaker D:Johnny Utah here is supposed to learn surfing, infiltrate a group and find information all before the three months or whatever.
Speaker D:Yeah, all before the Ex Presidents jump.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's almost the end of the season.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That sounds like a tall order to learn how to surf well enough to pass as a surfer.
Speaker C:Well, maybe that's why he's Johnny Utah quarterback.
Speaker D:That's true.
Speaker C:He's got established a history of being an athlete.
Speaker D:You know, that makes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker C:I mean, because you're right.
Speaker D:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker C:Anybody else does it that you're not finding the ex president.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker D:I know a lot.
Speaker C:When you try to surf, you're not doing all that.
Speaker D:A lot of.
Speaker D:A lot of stories that I've seen, you know, true crime stuff.
Speaker D:It takes people years.
Speaker D:Years and years to infiltrate.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Organized crime.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, there's even that run in with the guy who's undercover.
Speaker B:Drugs and they.
Speaker C:Yeah, you think?
Speaker C:I like this hair, man.
Speaker C:I like these.
Speaker B:He talks about the months that he's been on.
Speaker C:Three months.
Speaker D:That was a.
Speaker D:Three months that bugged me too.
Speaker D:During that raid of the harp.
Speaker D:That guy that John C.
Speaker D:McGinley plays, he signed off on that raid.
Speaker B:Yeah, that.
Speaker B:That to me was a little.
Speaker D:He would have known there was an undercover.
Speaker B:I would have.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He acts like he was.
Speaker B:This was totally rogue thing.
Speaker B:I was a little perplexed by that myself.
Speaker D:Getting way too ahead, though.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That was just my.
Speaker D:The bug.
Speaker D:Things that bugged me.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And I thought it was interesting, like, so he's BS and Tyler.
Speaker B:Tyler.
Speaker B:And she says this is a line.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And obviously acts it's here.
Speaker B:But, you know, she.
Speaker B:She suspects immediately that this is a line.
Speaker B:And of course it really is.
Speaker B:But it won't be till later that she finds that out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I have that as my break into two.
Speaker C:This is breaking the two.
Speaker C:Just a quick little note is interesting.
Speaker C:Like when they're talking and I guess it's after hours.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:When he's showing them the.
Speaker C:When Pappas is trying to convince Utah that.
Speaker B:In the office.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, in the office.
Speaker C:And they're, you know, all the talking about the wax and there's, you know, I become a wax expert.
Speaker C:There's thousands of different uses for this.
Speaker C:Utah's drinking a beer, like at the job.
Speaker C:I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker B:And then they jump up on the desk and emulate.
Speaker B:So at this point.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker C:That's cringey for you.
Speaker C:Oh, I love it.
Speaker C:Because they're going after surfers, you know.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker C:And it shows them coming together too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:100% bias.
Speaker C:But it shows them, you know, they were arguing now because I guess what I really like about it is if Papas was younger.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:There would be no need for Utah.
Speaker C:He would have done this himself.
Speaker C:But he's an old man.
Speaker C:He can't do it.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker C:No, I really like that.
Speaker C:He didn't know he needed this quarterback punk to come along, but he did catch these guys.
Speaker C:I mean, because he had other young guys.
Speaker C:Like, that's probably how the other shitheads or whatever those, you know, FBI agents knew about it.
Speaker C:They're younger.
Speaker C:He probably said, hey, you want to help me out in this?
Speaker C:And they blew him off.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:You're fucking dumb, man.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Plus, he's an old guy and, you know.
Speaker D:Well, I wonder if they stick all the rookies with Pappas.
Speaker C:Maybe.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Maybe you don't know what happened to.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker C:Maybe that's better.
Speaker C:When those younger guys, like, he pitched them this thing when they were rookie, and they were thinking, you know.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:Now they got time to get out of there.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, maybe.
Speaker C:Maybe.
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:So Lethal Weapon came out, you know, way before this, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:87 and 89.
Speaker C:They'd done two of them by this point.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Lethal Weapon had these fun moments, but it also, I think, became dark and dramatic.
Speaker B:Also when this movie tried to get dark and dramatic or whatever, I guess I just wasn't okay feeling it like I did for, like, Lethal Weapon or whatever, you know?
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:It seems a little more designed to be a fun action movie than something like Lethal Weapon, which.
Speaker D:Yeah, I think I get what you're saying.
Speaker D:I definitely.
Speaker B:I think Lethal Weapon maybe was more nuanced in terms of action drama.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Because when Riggs is.
Speaker B:I mean, Riggs is.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I still tear up when I watch Riggs holding that picture and he's about to put a gun in his mouth and, you know, I'll see you later.
Speaker B:Much later or whatever.
Speaker C:Very much later.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, I love that one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's part of the.
Speaker C:I think the.
Speaker C:Early on, that setup with him.
Speaker C:So they established that tone early on.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And him talking about, you know, being a sniper.
Speaker B:Only one or two, you know, two or three guys in the whole world.
Speaker C:Can make the thing I was ever good at.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think there's more.
Speaker B:And I can't remember who the writer of this was, but obviously Shane Black is an exceptional writer.
Speaker B:But I think there's much more nuance.
Speaker D:This one's Rich King and Peter Ilif.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, I think Peter Ilif.
Speaker C:I think Peter Illiff did Varsity Blues.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker D:Yeah, he did Varsity Blues.
Speaker D:He did tell some Patriot games.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah, Patriot game.
Speaker D:Lots of.
Speaker D:He's written a lot of stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyway, but that, that's that I'm not faulting this movie for that.
Speaker B:I think it went more for the adrenaline, high octane type of action movie as opposed.
Speaker B:Because Lethal Weapon has those moments.
Speaker B:But there's also very somber and low key dialogue moments.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think Lethal Weapon keeps the energy pace that this one.
Speaker C:This one does.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like James said, I agree with that.
Speaker B:As fun and games.
Speaker B:Convincing Tyler, getting lessons, wiping out, bonding with Tyler, I guess.
Speaker B:And then seeing Bodhi searching for the ultimate ride, playing football.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I appreciated.
Speaker B:I laughed when Swayze said that's a surfboard.
Speaker B:Looks like a 57 Chevy I used to have.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So there's very much this, this, this, you know, he doesn't know what he's doing and.
Speaker C:Yeah, he bought a cheap piece of apparently.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, because even says it at one point, you know, why do I have to learn to serve?
Speaker C:Why can't I just walk around with this thing in my arm and act stoned?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:He doesn't want to put all this effort into it, you know, I mean, once catch the guys.
Speaker C:But yeah.
Speaker C:Again, I think they both.
Speaker C:To your point, they both underestimated how hard it would be, you know.
Speaker D:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have the obligatory angry captain.
Speaker B:I guess his name is Karp.
Speaker B:Not fond of their plan.
Speaker B:Caught my first tube, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The investigation, hair sample.
Speaker B:It will bug the shit out of Karp.
Speaker B:So, you know very much us versus them.
Speaker B:You know, the two buddy cops.
Speaker C:I don't know, just there's little moments, even the, the hair samples, when they're going around collecting them, making a wig for my girlfriend.
Speaker C:And then Keanu Reeves puts on the.
Speaker C:He naturally talks, you know, like a surfer stoner dude already and everything he's in.
Speaker C:But he, he like amps it up a notch.
Speaker C:Hey, bro, don't move.
Speaker C:There's this huge sucker about to come up right in your ear.
Speaker C:I love the guy's reaction because he gets it and he's.
Speaker C:Leave some fucking hair, man.
Speaker B:Well, I saved your life.
Speaker B:Close one.
Speaker C:And I'm saved your life, bro.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I immediately wrote.
Speaker B:He's channeling Bill and Ted.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:My son got a kick out of how many times he said definitely.
Speaker C:Like when he's looking through the stuff for Tyler to use.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's reading.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker C:Then he finds stuff about her parents.
Speaker C:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:You go after him and be a big hero.
Speaker C:Right, Definitely.
Speaker B:See?
Speaker C:And this is funny.
Speaker B:Like, you look at Keanu now and he's like, everybody loves Keanu.
Speaker B:He's got gravitas.
Speaker B:He's almost like this Jedi actor.
Speaker B:You know, this, you know, you know he's a monk.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's a monk.
Speaker C:You know, you don't hear anything personally.
Speaker C:You don't hear anything bad about him.
Speaker C:Like, you hear all this amazing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Nice stuff about that.
Speaker C:He does.
Speaker B:Well, there was a.
Speaker D:Because he leaves no bodies and no witnesses.
Speaker C:Well, you tell anybody about this, it.
Speaker C:Like he was on a nice story about me.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, he was on the Tonight show and I think Fallon asked him, what do you think happens when we die?
Speaker B:Or whatever?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And there was this long pause, right?
Speaker B:This is like a clip or a meme.
Speaker B:There was this long pause and you could see Keanu thinking.
Speaker B:And he comes out with this, this just draw, jaw dropping answer.
Speaker B:He says, I think that the people that love us will miss us, you know, not, not, not.
Speaker B:Well, I think we go to heaven, I think, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And you're just like, ah, Keanu, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But that's who he is.
Speaker B:Like here he's like, bro, you know, and.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:And anyway, so I think as he's gotten older, he's gotten more Zen.
Speaker B:More Zen.
Speaker B:You know, I don't think Johnny Utah.
Speaker D:Is not, not to go too, too deep into it, but Keanu Reeves has had a hell of a hard life as he.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:With his wife.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he lost his wife and child.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker D:Accident.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because the.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Like, I see him with his wife now.
Speaker D:Is he married?
Speaker C:Yeah, she's older than.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because I always think, well, he's older too.
Speaker C:No, I know, but I mean, she's an older lady than he is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I always think Keanu Reeves, he must have like this really hot wife.
Speaker B:Not that she's ugly, but they look very much like a couple that might live next door to you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:I mean, very attractive older couples.
Speaker B:And I think that's part of his grounding.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He's not like this.
Speaker C:I mean, he still rides the subway.
Speaker B:And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:Like, he's a park bench to eat his lunch.
Speaker C:I mean, there's memes of that like, yeah, what's.
Speaker C:What other celebrity does that?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He's not like, you know, like this, this, this, this shallow.
Speaker C:None of this fame has gone to his head.
Speaker C:No money.
Speaker C:I mean, he gave all his Matrix money away, I think.
Speaker B:So did he really.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:So just mostly the crew, I think.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker C:And I just need a little bit of stuff, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:My motorcycle.
Speaker C:And that's, you know, whatever going on.
Speaker B:Talking about Keanu.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, I think he really.
Speaker B:Because watching this, you know, bro.
Speaker B:And definitely.
Speaker B:And all these things.
Speaker B:Oh, this guy, you know, so vapid.
Speaker B:But he's good looking and so he'll sell tickets.
Speaker B:But he's like not even preparing for John Wick.
Speaker B:Like, you've seen those videos where he's on the range training to do those scenes.
Speaker B:And he didn't leave it to a stuntman or a body double to do.
Speaker C:Those shoot scenes or even the fights in Seven Gentlemen.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That's him.
Speaker B:You know, when he's going through that course in preparing for Wick, it's.
Speaker B:It's absolutely like he is totally invested.
Speaker B:It's amazing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's like you're watching Keanu Reeves in real life, but it's like you're watching a clip of John Wick.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Something.
Speaker C:It's just as good.
Speaker C:I mean, he's.
Speaker C:It's nuts.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Dedication to his craft.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:It's up there with Tom Cruise.
Speaker C:To me, as far as wanting to do their stunts and, you know, wanting.
Speaker C:I'm gonna do all the extra step.
Speaker C:Not just gonna read my lines.
Speaker C:I'm gonna do all this extra stuff to entertain the audience.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:There are very few people in Hollywood that I would ever want to meet or talk to.
Speaker B:I think Costner is one.
Speaker B:I think I would love to talk story with Costner.
Speaker B:And even Stallone, I think would be a very good conversation.
Speaker B:And Keanu Reeves just to sit down with him.
Speaker B:But pretty much those are like the three or four.
Speaker B:I mean, you know, most of these people I never want to meet.
Speaker B:You don't want to meet your heroes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, you're going to be disappointed.
Speaker A:Well, I want to meet Tom Selleck.
Speaker B:I don't think I would be disappointed with Tom Selleck.
Speaker B:Would be a quality.
Speaker A:I've named two cats after his characters.
Speaker B:So well.
Speaker B:But I think.
Speaker B:I think those would be worthwhile meets.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think I would be disappointed.
Speaker B:But most of these people, I don't ever want to.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Bonding with Bodhi, the spiritual surfer, tracking the death squad.
Speaker B:This is the false lead.
Speaker B:I'm still including this in Funny.
Speaker D:So they got the sand out of that one guy's hair, tracked it to a certain beach, Madago Beach.
Speaker D:And so they're gonna go.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Cause they're always closing the beaches for spills and stuff.
Speaker C:So that's how they figured it out, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So they tracked a certain beach and so they know, all right, the Ex Presidents have to surf on this beach, right?
Speaker B:And then, you know, the fight scene, this break.
Speaker C:Sir.
Speaker B:These Nazi surfers, these bad surfer territorial.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:I think one of them is from Red Hot Chili Peppers, right?
Speaker C:Anthony Ketis.
Speaker B:Anthony Kiedis.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's a lead singer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's even that I like.
Speaker C:I like that how that fight scene goes where he's like.
Speaker C:You know, he's in there washing off, washing the salt off or whatever, and they turn it off and it's like, okay, I get it.
Speaker C:This is where you guys tell me to stay a while.
Speaker C:Stay off your break.
Speaker C:Well, whatever he says.
Speaker C:And then I think it's Anthony Nikitas that says, that would be a waste of time.
Speaker C:The other guy says, we're just gonna fuck you up.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:So I'm like, all right.
Speaker C:Yeah, he does his own.
Speaker C:I'm his four big dudes, right?
Speaker C:Like, he holds his own best he can.
Speaker B:Bodhi comes along, right.
Speaker C:I like how Pappas tries running over and help him out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I thought that was really.
Speaker C:Because he goes behind some bushes at the shower.
Speaker C:He can't see him.
Speaker C:He's like, hey, Johnny, you better not be picking up chicks or something.
Speaker C:And then he sees hands and a key just, like, roll out into the.
Speaker C:Oh, shit, there's a fight.
Speaker C:He has to run over there.
Speaker B:You see a kid with a radio.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I thought.
Speaker C:Because Bodhi shows up and he has to.
Speaker C:Pappas has to then put on a cover.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He can't give.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker D:That was good thinking.
Speaker D:On his feet, too.
Speaker D:Run, run, run.
Speaker D:You seen a kid with a stereo?
Speaker D:No, but there's four guys back there need attention.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I like Bode's response to that.
Speaker C:He starts laughing, says, you just like to start shit, don't you?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:He has no idea that Johnny's a cop.
Speaker C:You know, it's.
Speaker C:It's funny, right?
Speaker C:It's the.
Speaker C:Not all the important things.
Speaker C:Entering the War Child.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The kind of.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:I don't know if he's the leader of the gang or not, but the.
Speaker C:The bigger black guy, he is.
Speaker C:He played a bad guy in Cyborg.
Speaker C:Always remember him from that.
Speaker C:With a Van Damme movie.
Speaker C:B movie.
Speaker C:But, yeah, just.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Like, saw both those movies and then it took me, like, a long time realized, holy shit, that's the same guy.
Speaker D:Yeah, he was in Double dragon back in 94.
Speaker D:Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker D:I pulled up.
Speaker C:They gave him contacts in Cyborg, so he had, like, blue eyes.
Speaker C:So, like, him being a, you know, darker complexion with the pale eyes just made him way scarier to me when I was a kid, you know.
Speaker D:His name's Vincent Clin.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:Born in New Zealand, so he's, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The party at bodies with the 50 year storm set up.
Speaker B:And then I guess this is when Tyler makes the line.
Speaker B:Too much testosterone here.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because they're talking about the biggest.
Speaker D:Ray.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Biggest wave ever ridden twice a century or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And too much testosterone here.
Speaker B:That's a summation of this movie.
Speaker C:I really like that.
Speaker C:I think it's Gromit when he's sitting there talking about.
Speaker C:He's like, you know, you can't just.
Speaker C:Can't just call it quits and paddle in.
Speaker C:And he's talking about being on the board.
Speaker C:He's like, in your balls, man.
Speaker C:Your balls.
Speaker C:Yeah, he talks about it because Roach says it's better than sex.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:And Tyler immediately goes, it's because you're doing it wrong.
Speaker B:The night surf getting deeper in the group.
Speaker B:And with Tyler.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:I don't know, when you mentioned cringy moment, I guess this is what entered my mind.
Speaker C:But it's a different kind of cringe.
Speaker C:It's not the dialogue or performance or anything.
Speaker C:It's the.
Speaker C:And I'm sure it was safety reasons, but the night surf, like, you can tell that was shot with a filter.
Speaker C:Like, that's not.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, the stuff on the beach with the fire is night.
Speaker C:But when they're out in the ocean, you can tell.
Speaker C:Today, I think you can even see the sun at one point.
Speaker B:You know, they use some kind of.
Speaker C:Filter, blue filter, I'm sure.
Speaker C:Had to be safety, right?
Speaker C:Surfing, all that.
Speaker C:But anyhow, I don't know, it annoys me because I think they probably got better ways of doing that now.
Speaker C:I think Deliverance, the movie Deliverance, has a lot of the same stuff.
Speaker C:I think that's one of the first times I realized that that was the thing, you know, was, oh, okay.
Speaker C:They didn't shoot everything at night.
Speaker C:They just put a filter on and make it look like it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, so I had a question here.
Speaker B:Let's see.
Speaker C:Definitely.
Speaker C:Oh, sorry.
Speaker D:Definitely.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So they think it's the death squad.
Speaker B:Initially, yes.
Speaker B:And so at this point, I'm like, if they think it's the death squad, is the bank robbery ring.
Speaker B:Why is he making efforts with Bodhi and his group?
Speaker B:Why is he hooking up with Tyler?
Speaker B:He's being seduced by this lifestyle and has his own demons or the kamikaze look, experiencing the best feeling on earth.
Speaker B:So I guess he's with Bodhi or he's with Tyler to get an in.
Speaker B:But then they think it's this other.
Speaker C:Correct.
Speaker B:Other group.
Speaker D:He just thought he found a cool group of surfing.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's starting to think minded people.
Speaker B:So at this point he's just trying to get into the surfing culture.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think he was.
Speaker C:I think it's more than that at this point.
Speaker C:I think he came up with the lie, bought the cheap piece of shit surfboard and all that and just tried to do what he had to do.
Speaker C:But now he's like, he really likes surfing because he blew out his knee.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So someone who's an athlete is gonna feel bad about not being able to do that sport anymore.
Speaker C:So I think he's now found a sport.
Speaker C:So far, surfing didn't appear to hurt his knee.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And they don't explain all that.
Speaker C:But I just think it's.
Speaker C:I think he's enjoying it and meeting these cool people and this guy's starting to have a profound effect on his, you know, his ideology and his, you know, just his views of life and everything and just.
Speaker C:Well, so I think.
Speaker C:Yeah, at this point, it never enters his mind that.
Speaker C:That they might be the guys.
Speaker C:And I think it's important for the audience, like you were talking about earlier, they hide it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like we're supposed to like Patrick too, and all them.
Speaker C:We're not supposed to realize that they could even be the guys.
Speaker B:Yeah, I get, you know.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so some of that because.
Speaker C:Because Tyler fall in love with her.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So, I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're sitting on the boards, floating in the water at night, and she says that intense scowl is gone.
Speaker B:Like the.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I guess a visual of the transformation that he is now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, sometimes you look like you're kamikaze looks.
Speaker C:You're that.
Speaker C:And you're like.
Speaker C:You're trying to do all this for a school project or something.
Speaker C:Talking about his concentration and.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then now it's gone or whatever.
Speaker B:A reference to his own demons.
Speaker B:I don't know that we ever.
Speaker B:Do we ever truly find out.
Speaker B:Except for the knee blown out.
Speaker B:I mean, is there any other dark past or anything that's driving.
Speaker C:I know those were Bodhi's demons.
Speaker C:No, Bodhi has his own demons.
Speaker C:No, no, Johnny has his own demons.
Speaker C:Doesn't he, Johnny?
Speaker C:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:I don't think they're ever expensive.
Speaker D:Breast.
Speaker B:Explain Bodhi at one point, because I didn't nail down a theme necessarily, but Bodhi at one point seems to think that he's doing that they're doing what they're doing as examples to the rest of those poor schmucks who.
Speaker C:Inching along the freeways and.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, I love that speech.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:We're a proof to them the human spirit is still alive.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And you know where.
Speaker C:I don't think his buddies.
Speaker C:I don't think all the other guys ever bought into it like that.
Speaker C:They just thought it was fun and.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:The thrill.
Speaker B:Bodhi is much more grounded in the, you know, the spiritual realm of.
Speaker C:This is about us against the system.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Now, that being said, Bodhi at the end is.
Speaker B:Is very adaptable at setting that aside and doing some pretty unspiritual things.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like he's with the kidnapping of Tyler.
Speaker B:Like, he knows.
Speaker C:Well, he deflected it.
Speaker C:I didn't do it.
Speaker C:Roach did it, you know, or not.
Speaker B:Roach, but he's like a mechanism.
Speaker B:Yeah, Rosie, Rosie, Rosie.
Speaker B:He's a mechanism, man.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker C:And once you set him in motion, he will not stop.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's the.
Speaker D:The first.
Speaker D:The first time.
Speaker C:I could never do that.
Speaker C:She was my woman.
Speaker C:We shared time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, he deflected all of it, you know.
Speaker D:First time we see Rosie, he's lighting the fire on the beach and he's doing it like a psycho.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's gonna catch himself on the fire.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:He's open it with a knife.
Speaker D:He's spinning it everywhere.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Maybe I didn't recognize it.
Speaker C:You can see Rosie can't even surf.
Speaker C:Like, he's not even having fun.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker D:Yeah, he looks like the heavy in the group.
Speaker D:He can't serve.
Speaker D:He's just around for bodyguards.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Back up a little bit.
Speaker C:That reminds me of the.
Speaker C:When they first meet him with the football on the beach and they realize, don't you know who this is?
Speaker C:Or whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's a kind of a throwaway line as they're walking away.
Speaker C:I don't know if it's Roach or some.
Speaker C:One of the guys says, lawyers don't serve.
Speaker C:And Patrick Swayze goes, this one does.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Even the comment to wearing a suit, like, well, that's not.
Speaker C:You know, you became a lawyer after football.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker C:Like, he's almost disappointed and disgusted.
Speaker C:Well, life's not over.
Speaker C:You're surfing.
Speaker C:You know, like, the idea of putting on a suit in a 9 to 5 job is, is death to these guys.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I thought it was funny earlier on when he's buying the surfboard, the, the young kid that sells it to him.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Because what is.
Speaker B:How old is Utah?
Speaker D:Oh, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's 30 or something, right?
Speaker D:Or he was 26.
Speaker D:20 something.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, he says something like too late.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, so it's never too late.
Speaker B:Yeah, 26.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:It's never too late.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Lord.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:The kid he was playing was 15.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:That's the name on here.
Speaker D:That's the actor's name is Christopher Pettit.
Speaker D:He was in Don't Tell Mom.
Speaker D:The babysitter's Babysitter's dead.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker D:He died.
Speaker C:Movie.
Speaker D:Film.
Speaker C:I, I.
Speaker C:Babysitter's dead.
Speaker B:I don't think so.
Speaker C:I like it.
Speaker C:I don't know if it holds up and seen a long time.
Speaker D:It's something.
Speaker D:We, we bought it.
Speaker B:It's a surfboard.
Speaker D:We bought it not too long ago.
Speaker D:My girlfriend and I, we boug.
Speaker D:I call it half price movies, but it's movie trading company.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what we.
Speaker B:That's where we got this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker D:Because I'm a half price books.
Speaker D:Half price movies.
Speaker C:I just remember the.
Speaker C:Yeah, the stoner brother or whatever.
Speaker C:Like he's the rebel.
Speaker C:Like the sister wants him to do the dishes and he's taking them out there and tossing them up and shooting them with a shotgun.
Speaker C:He's like, I'm doing the dishes are done, man.
Speaker C:Yeah, correction up.
Speaker C:Anyhow.
Speaker B:Oh, around the same time.
Speaker D:That was in 91 as well.
Speaker B:So you said that kid is dead?
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:He died of a overdose.
Speaker C:Stacey looked it up.
Speaker C:That's Stacy's thing.
Speaker C:Like we're watching a movie, she recognizes somebody.
Speaker C:If she can't figure it out, she wants to look it up and then she like reads their whole biography.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It drives me crazy when I can't figure out where I've seen that person.
Speaker C:It's pretty good.
Speaker C:She's really good at.
Speaker C:Someone has an accent, like in real life, and they're doing an American accent or another accent.
Speaker C:She can.
Speaker C:Something about the way they form their mouth, I guess because she sees mouths all day with her profession.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:She can Nail it every time.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:Well, even if they're really good at it, like she can just, she's like, I bet you they're not American or they're not.
Speaker C:And she looks it up.
Speaker C:I'm like, how did you know that?
Speaker C:She's like just.
Speaker C:They form their mouth their words weird.
Speaker C:When they're trying to do an accent.
Speaker D:That's wild.
Speaker A:And what's the, the girl in this movie?
Speaker D:Tyler Lori.
Speaker A:See, every time I was watching her in this movie, all I could think of was A League of Their Own.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Those are like biggest roles.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And she was really good in that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's, but that's all I could see her as.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker D:Yeah, I, I, I see her in Tank Girl.
Speaker D:In the Tank Girl.
Speaker D:And in the army now.
Speaker B:A long time ago.
Speaker D:Huge Polly Shore fan.
Speaker B:Oh, Polly.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker D:Oh my God, I love Polly.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker D:I've got great taste.
Speaker B:That's the surfboard hooks up and is late for the raid.
Speaker B:And then the raid is the end.
Speaker D:Is his own raid.
Speaker D:He was late for his own raid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And even after shows the.
Speaker C:Because he's the strict rules guy.
Speaker C:100%.
Speaker C:100% Utah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's getting in so deep with the, the surfing vibe and the like he fell asleep on the beach after, you know, being with Tyler or whatever.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like he's, you know, I think it's, it's starting his world, his black and white world is starting to gray.
Speaker C:All this is spilling over.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's like to his own raid because of his, you know, spending time with his friends or whatever in this girl.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:You know, because he was all, shit, I'm really late.
Speaker C:I'm really late.
Speaker C:Says like a thousand times.
Speaker C:And he makes sure he kisses her again before he leaves.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:That's the one time I like those other FBI guys because they're giving him a hard time about being late to his own fucking radio.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:These guys are douchebags the whole movie.
Speaker C:But they're right right here.
Speaker C:Like, what are you.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That in the haircuts, you know, one guy's flat tops like 3 inches tall.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I have, I have a midpoint false defeat at 58 minutes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Cuz it's not them.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The wrong guys are busted.
Speaker C:Wrong guys.
Speaker D:People are dead because of it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Bad guys close in Utah recognizes the naked butt.
Speaker B:Looks like you saw a ghost.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:It was just a white butt I wrote.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:One thing I've never noticed, I've Seen this a million times, and I guess this is my one cringy moment.
Speaker C:There's some really bad editing on this.
Speaker C:On this one scene to me.
Speaker C:So I get it.
Speaker C:Like you said, the whole reveal is the guy moons on the surfboard.
Speaker C:And that.
Speaker C:Oh, man, you know, has the light bulb moment for Johnny.
Speaker C:As soon as they show the guy mooning, the very next shot is Patrick Swayze going, yeah, like.
Speaker C:And I'm like, he's way too excited about that man's ass.
Speaker C:About that man's bare ass.
Speaker C:Oh, I know that's not the way they meant it.
Speaker C:But the two guy moons, and then you show Patrick Swayze super excited about it.
Speaker C:Like, it's horrible editing.
Speaker C:Horrible editing.
Speaker B:Oh, I'm not sure I picked up on that one.
Speaker C:You know, he's clearly.
Speaker C:He's got.
Speaker C:You know, he dated Tyler.
Speaker C:He's got the new girlfriend.
Speaker C:He's clearly, you know, not gay in this movie.
Speaker C:But, like, that.
Speaker C:Those two together, I was like, really like.
Speaker C:And I don't think it came off that way.
Speaker C:I think he was just excited because his buddy's having fun.
Speaker B:But, yeah, he's got his fist in.
Speaker C:The air yelling like, it's.
Speaker C:Why did we cut it that way?
Speaker C:This is terrible.
Speaker C:Point out the lathe and he left.
Speaker C:You know, but now, anyhow, I don't.
Speaker B:Know if y' all picked up on this.
Speaker B:There is a mention of a particular eating establishment.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Patrick's Roadhouse.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Wife loves it.
Speaker C:He goes here, he goes there.
Speaker C:Goes to buy some CDs, goes to Patrick's Roadhouse.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So I wanted to know if this was a reference.
Speaker C:It's gotta be.
Speaker D:It is.
Speaker B:Point Break came out in 91.
Speaker B:Roadhouse came out in 89.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's absolutely.
Speaker B:100%, yes, a reference.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:It's good stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The robbers are fixing the bolt.
Speaker C:And I wonder if, like, was that in the script or did, you know, Keanu just say it like, you know, I wonder when it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I thought that was.
Speaker D:So he was.
Speaker D:He was following Bodhi around and he did all those things.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just be clear.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Following Bodhi around.
Speaker C:Because once you realized with the.
Speaker C:Being really excited about naked butts that, oh, these guys are ex president.
Speaker D:These are.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Heavily suspected to be presidents.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And they're fixing.
Speaker B:They figure it's the end of the season, so they may have one more.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they're almost a ticking clock.
Speaker D:Well, the.
Speaker D:My favorite part is when they're doing the the stakeout.
Speaker D:And Pappas is talking about those meatball subs.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I had some issues with the scene.
Speaker D:Oh, God, man.
Speaker C:It made me one of those sandwiches that goes on about it so much.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I order a meatball sub.
Speaker D:Like, I've ordered meatball subs.
Speaker D:I've watched this movie seven times.
Speaker D:I've ordered them three times watching these movies because I'm like.
Speaker C:He goes on about how amazing they are.
Speaker C:So I want one from that place, Utah.
Speaker C:Give me two.
Speaker C:I mean, he didn't just want.
Speaker B:No, no, I like that part.
Speaker B:Except they're on a stakeout.
Speaker B:Oh, and Utah for sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Utah startles Pappas.
Speaker B:Like, Papa is on the stage reading the paper.
Speaker B:And then Utah comes up to the car and startles Pappas, like, would you.
Speaker B:Yeah, you ought to be keeping eye.
Speaker B:And then he misses the.
Speaker C:Damn you.
Speaker C:You convinced me now.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker C:Like, you're on a stakeout.
Speaker C:You're about to catch the bad guys.
Speaker C:It's like too much fun and games.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It's too much machismo.
Speaker B:Too much.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Of the buddy.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:I'm so hungry, I could eat the dead ass out of a rhino.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:We're here to make cool lines, not watch this banks on.
Speaker D:You know that's right.
Speaker D:Do you see that car pull up?
Speaker D:What car?
Speaker B:Yeah, like, dude, come on.
Speaker C:Anyway, those sandwiches are clearly his weakness.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Got two of them.
Speaker C:In hindsight, like, next time these guys are on a stakeout, he's like, I'm not buying you those sandwiches, man.
Speaker C:Because what happened?
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Like, Utah would have learned his lesson.
Speaker C:Like, you can't have the sandwiches.
Speaker D: Say, it was like: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:A little Shop around the Corner.
Speaker C:It's love, Gary, if you've seen this movie.
Speaker B:No, I, I, this was because.
Speaker B:Didn't he have, like, an accident and got brain damage or something later?
Speaker B:I thought it was.
Speaker A:Yes, a motorcycle.
Speaker C:But that was when he was younger, right?
Speaker C:Or is it later?
Speaker B:I thought it was later.
Speaker D:Gary Busey.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I thought it was younger.
Speaker C:I thought he had it before.
Speaker A:Oh, did he?
Speaker C:I may be wrong.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:He had some sort of motorcycle accident that really messed him up.
Speaker C:But I thought it was before.
Speaker C:But you're.
Speaker B:He was in lethal weapon as Mr.
Speaker B:Ice or whatever.
Speaker B:One of you.
Speaker C:Yeah, the bad guy.
Speaker C:He had the first one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Mr.
Speaker C:Joshua.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Joshua.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I know he doesn't look well later, so maybe it was later.
Speaker B:I think I have a feeling his.
Speaker C:Teeth got, like Knocked out at one point.
Speaker C:Because that's why they're like all caps and white.
Speaker C:Yeah, but I thought he had the accident when he was younger.
Speaker D:I did, too.
Speaker C:I may be wrong.
Speaker D:I can't find it on here, but I think so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We'll make a.
Speaker B:I'll put it in the notes later if we can find it.
Speaker B:Then the pursuit.
Speaker B:So this is the bad guy's closet.
Speaker B:All is lost.
Speaker B:They bust up the robbery, but Utah is too close to Bodhi and lets him go.
Speaker C:Well, I think at one point before that it goes both ways.
Speaker C:I want to say it's because Utah is handing the sandwiches off or whatever.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:He's still on his feet, if I remember right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he asked.
Speaker C:You see that car pull up?
Speaker C:What car?
Speaker C:Dumbass.
Speaker C:Anyhow, he runs over there on foot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:As they're coming out, and one of the guys goes, I got him.
Speaker C:And he starts to zero in on Johnny and Bodhi waves him off.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He saves Keanu's life, theoretically, there.
Speaker C:And then he ends up that.
Speaker C:I think it's person.
Speaker C:Why you couldn't shoot him later, too.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Why Keanu couldn't shoot Bodhi.
Speaker C:So you can say something.
Speaker A:Well, I was just going to.
Speaker A:I found.
Speaker A: In: Speaker B:And this came out in 91.
Speaker C:That's right after Lethal Weapons.
Speaker C:I was thinking younger.
Speaker C:Younger.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, so in between the two.
Speaker A:But he crashed while riding his Harley Davidson motorcycle without a helmet on.
Speaker B:Well, he seems okay in this movie, but, like, I didn't.
Speaker B:I wouldn't have pegged him as having.
Speaker B:Unless it became something that happened.
Speaker B:You know, he had the brain injury and it affected him later.
Speaker B:Sort of like.
Speaker C:Yeah, because like I said, have you seen one Dance on the Stars or Celebrity Apprentice?
Speaker C:Like, later.
Speaker C:There's a big difference.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It says he had it led to severe brain damage.
Speaker D:Yeah, he's.
Speaker D:He released a book called Buseyisms.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:All his crazy.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:I don't like to say crazy.
Speaker D:His unique take on eccentricities.
Speaker B:Well, he.
Speaker A:I watched him on the Apprentice and he would do those on there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Anyway, he's a wild guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Bless his heart.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyway, go ahead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The pursuit.
Speaker D:Oh, that's when he.
Speaker D:Oh, there.
Speaker D:This is after he's chasing him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What were you saying, Chris?
Speaker B:That.
Speaker C:Oh, I was just saying that.
Speaker C:Talking about how they spare Johnny or whatever.
Speaker C:Or Bodhi spares Johnny.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Because he's going up to him and the one guy.
Speaker C:I think he's one of the Back.
Speaker C:He's getting in the back of the car.
Speaker C:He goes, I got him.
Speaker C:And he's zeroing in with his gun.
Speaker C:Over.
Speaker C:Over the car.
Speaker B:Yeah, over the roof.
Speaker C:And then Bod waves them off and they all get in the car and they drive off.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:If I remember right, I know that happens somewhere in there.
Speaker C:I think that's because then they're in the car and then it's just Bodie and him on foot later on.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because they go to the gas station.
Speaker D:On the gas station.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And burn the car and.
Speaker C:All right, there's again, one of those, like.
Speaker C:There's so many, like, little lines of dialogue that, like, you don't even see the actors say it in this movie that I really like.
Speaker C:At one point, they're.
Speaker C:When they're in the car chase and they're smashing up against each other, I think it's.
Speaker C:Papas goes, we got you.
Speaker C:And I don't remember if it's Roach or one of the other guys.
Speaker C:I think it's Roach.
Speaker C:He goes, you ain't got shit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then they separate.
Speaker C:Like, it just.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Like, was that in the script?
Speaker C:Was that ad lib?
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he's right.
Speaker C:You don't have shit.
Speaker C:Like, you're, you know, you're just smashing against them.
Speaker C:These guys have not stopped.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:But I just.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker C:You ain't got.
Speaker C:I love that guy anyhow.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, then even this car chase, like, as far as we're talking about Catherine Bigelow and, like, I think this car chase up there, and maybe this is part of why it's such a classic, but this car chase, the way it was shot and everything, is, like, really impressive.
Speaker C:Like one of my favorite car chases in movies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I just think it's really well done.
Speaker C:Even the foot chase, even though it gets, you know, silly with the dog at times.
Speaker C:I guess that's the other.
Speaker B:Cringe the dog at him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then he kicks him, which I guess dogs aren't.
Speaker C:Me.
Speaker C:I'm probably doing the same.
Speaker C:And I love dogs, but, like, maybe at least throwing them off.
Speaker C:I'm gonna kick him, too, but they have to throw in the yelp of the dog.
Speaker C:It's like, come on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The chase through the house.
Speaker B:Houses and stuff reminded me of Raising Arizona.
Speaker C:You know how silly it is.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But even then, like, he's running, he closes the door and he just crashes through the door.
Speaker B:Sherry asked if.
Speaker B:Because there's a scene in Hot Fuzz where they're jumping over fences.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And was that an homage to this?
Speaker B:And some of it is that.
Speaker C:Or Ferris Bueller, you know, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But like in Hot Fuzz, you know, what's his name is jumping over fences.
Speaker B:Simon Pegg.
Speaker B:And then in this one, Utah is.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:You know, Hot Fuzz.
Speaker C:Well, they have the other.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think it would be.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:And then he.
Speaker D:And then he hurts his knee and fires his gun into the air whilst saying.
Speaker C:You don't like that scene, James?
Speaker D:Oh, I do.
Speaker D:I just.
Speaker D:When I see it, I think of Nick Frost and Hot Fuzz.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And back to.
Speaker B:So I married an axe murderer.
Speaker B:There's even some play with that, with, you know, the detective saying, you know that part that hangs from the helicopter?
Speaker B:I want to hang.
Speaker B:I want to hang from that or something.
Speaker B:Doesn't he in Axe Murder?
Speaker D:He wants an exciting life.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And, you know, you're supposed to be the angry chief, you know, answers to the captain or whatever, and, well, answer to a panel of, you know, so.
Speaker D:There'S all this board of trustees.
Speaker C:It's like subverting expectations.
Speaker C:Ax murder.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I think, anyway, bodies.
Speaker B:Bodhi is justifying himself here.
Speaker B:There's a scene where he justifies all his actions.
Speaker B:I can't remember exactly.
Speaker D:Well, they.
Speaker D:After the robbery, they now know that each other know.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And guys are losing their shit.
Speaker C:This guy's a cop, man.
Speaker C:You should have let me take him and all that stuff.
Speaker C:And I know exactly what to do with this guy.
Speaker C:That's when he makes a speech about us versus the system.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:At the end of that, he's like, I know exactly what to do with this guy.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I have Dark Knight, so I have all of lost as a false victory.
Speaker B:They bust up the robbery, but Utah is too close to Bodhi and lets him go.
Speaker B:So it's sort of a victory because they bust up the robbery, but they do get away.
Speaker C:Midpoint was.
Speaker C:Taking down the death squad is a false victory.
Speaker B:False defeat.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:False defeat.
Speaker B:Undercover operation busted.
Speaker B:Wrong guys.
Speaker B:All is lost.
Speaker B:False victory.
Speaker B:They do bust up this robbery, but.
Speaker C:It'S his friends and he couldn't catch them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:No, that makes sense.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, dark night of the soul.
Speaker B:Tyler discovers.
Speaker B:This is what I have.
Speaker B:Tyler discovers Utah's lies.
Speaker B:They break up.
Speaker B:Bodhi takes Utah for a ride and has taken Tyler.
Speaker B:So this is like the lowest.
Speaker D:And he's hurt his knee.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this is break into three.
Speaker B:They're in the van.
Speaker B:And this is the exchange, I like between.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, Bodhi and before.
Speaker C:Before that, though, I like the.
Speaker C:When he's.
Speaker C:They're talking about, you know, we're gonna go, you know, skydiving or whatever, and he's like.
Speaker C:I don't know if you noticed, man, but I, you know, sort of busted up my knee the other day.
Speaker C:Yeah, I noticed you limping.
Speaker C:And it's just the way he says it, the line.
Speaker C:And just don't worry, bro.
Speaker C:Don't worry about it, bro.
Speaker C:We're not gonna land on land.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker C:You're very assuring.
Speaker C:Wonderful.
Speaker C:I think, one.
Speaker D:I think at that point right there, when they're in the van and they're talk, you know, you've lost, man.
Speaker D:Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, the whole thing.
Speaker D:Would Johnny Utah have joined Bodie had he not gone to law school?
Speaker D:Like, would it.
Speaker D:Would he be on board of the surfing, the robbing, the traveling all over the world.
Speaker D:I think that's what Johnny Utah is wrestling with.
Speaker D:Am I.
Speaker D:Am I wrong?
Speaker B:I think there's an untapped wildness, but I think.
Speaker B:But I don't know how, like, law and order he is.
Speaker B:He seems very.
Speaker D:I think he was very drawn to that.
Speaker C:Yeah, he was, but I don't think he.
Speaker C:Because, like, at the end, because he.
Speaker C:Because he doesn't.
Speaker C:I guess the fact that he doesn't turn with him.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Is what's holding him back.
Speaker C:Like, he's.
Speaker C:His morals and all that.
Speaker C:Because even at the end, like, he's Then mad at Bodhi.
Speaker C:You crossed the line and people died.
Speaker B:Like, he's.
Speaker B:And chases them all over the world.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Three weeks behind you and a week behind you and.
Speaker C:But it's interesting because he's.
Speaker C:He's still law and order, and there's got to be consequences for your actions, but he's not so law and order that he doesn't throw his badge at the end.
Speaker C:We're getting ahead.
Speaker C:But he still quits, stops being a law guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I do think I was gonna say this earlier, and it's kind of ties into that.
Speaker C:Like his line to Tyler about, you know, my whole life I've done everything for other people.
Speaker C:I don't think he's lying there.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think he's.
Speaker C:I think that he went.
Speaker C:He was a quarterback.
Speaker C:He went to law.
Speaker C:You know, not a lawyer, but.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Became a cop because of his parents.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's no evidence of that, but I feel like that's true.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he becomes his own person by the End of the movie.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker D:If he would have met Bodhi two, three years ago.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Maybe got into surfing, he would have maybe been Robin Banks.
Speaker B:It would have been a slow boil, like, because he would.
Speaker B:Had to have gotten into it by slow degree.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's no way he's just said, oh, you're all Banks.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:No, but.
Speaker B:But it would have been.
Speaker B:I think at some point he would have.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think the idea of being free, like, appeals to him.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like the.
Speaker C:The skydiving and, you know, is amazing.
Speaker C:Amazing.
Speaker C:Like he's.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I think so.
Speaker C:Not having the idea of being able to live rule free is.
Speaker C:You know, Sounds great.
Speaker C:I mean, who doesn't want to be able to not have rules?
Speaker C:An endless summer.
Speaker C:The endless summer.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I think he also part of him knows if you live rule free, like in.
Speaker C:In the bank, think robbery shows that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You live rule free, there's going to be consequences.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You broke your own rules.
Speaker B:You know, whatever.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Because he goes off script or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The line is, we're wasting time.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then Bodhi's laughing like, that's what I love about you, Johnny.
Speaker B:You're sharp as a knife, you know?
Speaker B:Okay, so that's the break in the three I have.
Speaker B:And then gathering the team.
Speaker B:Initially, it's just, Johnny, they're storming the castle, robbing the bank.
Speaker B:The change of tactic, opening the vault, which they never did.
Speaker B:The cop in the guard, and the robbery goes sideways.
Speaker B:Bodie, who hates violence.
Speaker B:Okay, so this is where I guess Bodhi starts.
Speaker B:To me, he's almost an opportunist.
Speaker B:He hates violence, but he kills that cop and loses his team because of his decision to go into the vault like he wanted.
Speaker B:I don't know, did he sense this was the last.
Speaker B:Because now they were going to be able to do this next summer.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because now.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think that's why he wanted one bigger score, is because.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because their.
Speaker C:Their identities have been made now.
Speaker C:You know, because it's not just Utah that knows Papa's nose and who knows who else he's told.
Speaker B:No, it's a known thing now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're not gonna be.
Speaker C:And I think it was almost just like.
Speaker C:Like an anger, like, he killed the cop because you killed one of mine, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think his Zen facade is cracking at this point.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The pressure.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Hightower.
Speaker B:Surprise.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:Is Utah arrested as part of the robbery?
Speaker C:Damn.
Speaker C:Hands off me.
Speaker B:Papas lets Utah go because he knows where they're going.
Speaker B:They pursue, Papas.
Speaker C:Hold on.
Speaker C:You skipped a part where he punches.
Speaker B:Yeah, he does.
Speaker C:In the face or whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Carp gets laid out after all these years.
Speaker C:I've still got one thing that you haven't figured out.
Speaker C:Yeah?
Speaker C:What's that?
Speaker C:Astonish me.
Speaker C:Shithead, or whatever it was, hits him in the face.
Speaker C:And respect from my elders.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Love it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because you wanted to punch that guy in the face the whole time.
Speaker B:Oh, I know.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:As far as you know, we're talking about expectations.
Speaker C:Other movies do the main guys, the main buddy cops, punch out the yelling, captain, this might.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Is this the only one?
Speaker D:Well, Die Hard, she punches the.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:I mean, he was the shithead the whole time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, there you go, talking about, you know, requirements.
Speaker C:If you got a shithead in the movie, he's got to get punched by the.
Speaker B:Well, this is way later, but, you know, Michael Connelly wrote the Bosch series, and, of course, they put it on Amazon or whatever.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And in one of the early seasons, Bosch is nowhere near as ludicrous and wild as these guys.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Bosch is a very.
Speaker B:He's a bulldog.
Speaker B:He latches on to you through investigation.
Speaker B:He's not gonna let go, and he's gonna get you.
Speaker B:And his captain is, you know, a paper pusher or whatever who has a beef out for Bosch and has something against him and is always gunning for getting Bosch fired or whatever.
Speaker B:And at some point, they're having an argument, and the captain tries to manhandle Bosch, and, you know, Bosch, ex military, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:In the books, I think it's Vietnam.
Speaker B:In the show, I think it's Desert Storm.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Doesn't matter.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:But he.
Speaker B:He does something and throws him through a plate glass window.
Speaker C:Oh, nice.
Speaker B:Almost sort of like punching him out or whatever.
Speaker B:The top, anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And still the same message of get your damn hands right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:So they go to the airport to chase down Bodhi.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:There's one more thing I want to say.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:During the robbery, I'd never thought about.
Speaker C:Seen this movie a thousand times, and I guess just hadn't really thought about it.
Speaker C:Lance was watching it with me, and he's just.
Speaker C:Wait.
Speaker C:I can tell by his comments, you know, how into it he's on this.
Speaker C:He goes.
Speaker C:When they're getting ready to do the robbery with Utah, he doesn't get a mask.
Speaker C:Like he was.
Speaker C:Like it had dawned on him.
Speaker C:His, you know, now he's.
Speaker C:His identity is right.
Speaker C:Everyone's gonna see that he was a bank robber or whatever.
Speaker C:I'm like burned.
Speaker C:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker C:They don't care, son.
Speaker D:Well, what other mask would be available?
Speaker D:You got lb.
Speaker B:No, he says, sorry, you know, they didn't.
Speaker C:Never intended to fucking buy him a mask, you know, like.
Speaker C:Yeah, you know, they could have given him anything, you know.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:He could have wanted, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:Now, at some point, though, he's not arrested because he still has his badge after he's been chasing Bodhi.
Speaker B:But she throws away at the end.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So at some point it had to have been straightened out.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Because he's working with the.
Speaker B:Is Australia or New Zealand?
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker D:I think it's New Zealand.
Speaker B:New Zealand police to.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:To apprehend him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:This Hightower surprise, they pursue, Pappas is hiding the shootout.
Speaker B:And then Papas dies.
Speaker B:Like, I was kind of bummed about that.
Speaker C:Stacey was too.
Speaker C:She didn't remember.
Speaker C:Mean, I was also bummed, but I remembered it.
Speaker C:But, yeah, she had forgotten that and was definitely bummed out when it happened.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, it went real bad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:As much I like Roach, fuck Roach for shooting Papas in the back.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:The dig deep down, psyching himself up to jump.
Speaker B:And the execution of the new place.
Speaker B:All part of the storming the castle breakdown of the finale execution on the new plan.
Speaker B:He jumps without a parachute.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He gets Tyler back.
Speaker D:They leave him in the plane.
Speaker C:Without a parachute.
Speaker D:Without a parachute.
Speaker C:So that he can't follow him or whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah, Right.
Speaker B:He gets tired.
Speaker C:The guy who's been shot and bleeding out gets a parachute, you know, Roach or whatever.
Speaker D:I was thinking about that this last time I watched it.
Speaker D:This Roach has been shot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:When the parachute opens and grabs the air, what kind of force is it on the body?
Speaker D:And he's got a hole in him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's dead when he hits the ground.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:And I was thinking, how would he die?
Speaker D:This is just my messed up brain when it ripped.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Did all his stuff fall out the hole?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because that is gonna be a jolt.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:I mean, yeah, that would have been a cool scene.
Speaker C:Now I want that in there.
Speaker C:They missed an opportunity to show that.
Speaker D:Like, you're in the ground, just splat.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's some good exchanges between Johnny and Roach before they exit or whatever.
Speaker C:The Johnny's looking at him and he's, you know, what the fuck you looking at me?
Speaker C:Why he's bleeding out.
Speaker C:You're going to be dead soon.
Speaker C:Roach.
Speaker C:I hope it was worth it.
Speaker C:Don't listen to him.
Speaker C:He's just scared.
Speaker D:The blood's running out of you.
Speaker D:Your body.
Speaker B:That's why you're cold.
Speaker C:That's why you're cold.
Speaker C:He puts his jacket on him and shit like this.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Anyhow, don't listen to him.
Speaker D:He's just scared.
Speaker C:He just scared me.
Speaker C:Yeah, Roach is so.
Speaker C:Interesting fact on that.
Speaker C:Real quick.
Speaker C:You remember Messner from.
Speaker C:I think it's Wade Messner from Justified.
Speaker C:Oh, shit, Raelyn, I didn't know you were.
Speaker C:That's Roach.
Speaker C:That's the same actor.
Speaker C:It blows my mind, but that's the same guy.
Speaker C:Wade Messner.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker C:I don't remember what seasons he was in and Justified, but he sat at.
Speaker B:The other desk the.
Speaker C:No, no, he was.
Speaker C:He was a criminal.
Speaker C:He was.
Speaker C:He wasn't a.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's one of the criminals and stuff, But Raylan runs across several times, but I don't know.
Speaker C:And his voice is.
Speaker C:He's just older and that's.
Speaker C:That's how he talks.
Speaker C:Oh, Raelyn.
Speaker C:Like, he.
Speaker B:I'd have to go back and watch.
Speaker B:I don't remember.
Speaker C:Yeah, I recognized his face when we were watching.
Speaker C:I looked him up and I'm like, holy, that's Roach from Justified a couple times.
Speaker B:I love that show.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good show.
Speaker D:Anyhow, sorry, just James Lagrosse, maybe his name.
Speaker C:Yeah, that sounds right.
Speaker C:I don't remember.
Speaker C:I looked at it once before, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, he gets Tyler back, is reunited, Bodhi gets away.
Speaker B:All right, so the final image, obviously on the beach and I have Australia.
Speaker B:Is that New Zealand?
Speaker D:Yes, it's the 50 year wave that Bodie was talking about that ended up.
Speaker D:I know they filmed it in Oregon, so.
Speaker B:Well, Oregon point.
Speaker C:His.
Speaker C:We're talking about Johnny and what lines he's willing to cross.
Speaker C:Jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is pretty damn nuts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And even Bodhi, who is nuts, you know, acknowledges that.
Speaker C:God damn, you're one radical son of a bitch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, I think he had to embrace that and had to cross to some point to catch Bodie, otherwise it was never going to happen.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Because, yeah, if he doesn't jump out, maybe Bodie lets Tyler go, maybe he doesn't, you know?
Speaker C:You know, but yeah.
Speaker B:Anyhow, Bodhi, on the biggest wave in 50 years, goes out doing what he.
Speaker B:Yeah, so he goes out doing what he loves.
Speaker B:Utah goes out and ends his way as well, beginning.
Speaker B:So they both began at the height of their game Both at the end.
Speaker B:Both at the end of the line because Utah is no longer going to be a law enforcement.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Bodie is done as you know.
Speaker B:I mean, this is his.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Chances are they're going to be picking him out of the rocks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, was that, you know, where am I going to go?
Speaker C:Cliffs on both sides.
Speaker C:Not going to paddle.
Speaker C:New Zealand.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Come on, let me go out and catch one wave, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I didn't know it was filmed in Oregon, but Oregon is notorious for having tremendously rough seas off their coast.
Speaker B:When I was in the Navy, our ship was in Bremerton, Washington, and we would go down to San Diego, we'd have to go past Oregon and it was always tumultuous.
Speaker B:And the Coast Guard does.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker A:They train.
Speaker B:Yeah, the Coast Guard does their rescue training in that.
Speaker B:Off the coast of Oregon in those tremendous waves and rough river comes into.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is always rough.
Speaker D:Well, some people were talking about, you know, in this movie 50 year wave in Australia, New Zealand.
Speaker D:Why couldn't they have just gone there and shot like they've been talking about this.
Speaker D:Why couldn't the film crew just go there and shoot it?
Speaker D:But yeah, budget reasons.
Speaker C:I'm gonna say your budget is not gonna be 24 million anymore.
Speaker C:It's gonna be whatever that cost.
Speaker B:Yeah, but I mean, I mean, would they be able to catch big way?
Speaker B:I mean, would there be the weather for it?
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe not.
Speaker C:Because you have.
Speaker C:The 50 year storm doesn't hit right then.
Speaker C:Now it's.
Speaker C:Oh, that's what some people complaining about.
Speaker B:Oh, you mean actually waiting for the 50 year storm.
Speaker D:No, no, just people are like, why didn't they go to New Zealand?
Speaker D:Why did they just do an Oregon.
Speaker D:They're talking about New Zealand film in New Zealand.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Or even the north shore of Hawaii.
Speaker A:I've heard that the waves, they hit the shore, it.
Speaker A:It shakes the land.
Speaker B:You can feel the vibrations in the ground.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:It was a budget thing.
Speaker C:You know, Portland offered the cheapest way to do it.
Speaker C:I didn't know that.
Speaker C:I mean, you'll ruined it for me now.
Speaker C:Like, I thought that was New Zealand, you know, so where to go?
Speaker A:I didn't know it either.
Speaker D:Well, the, the accent that the guys had when they're coming up.
Speaker D:Nobody's going out there today.
Speaker C:Yeah, no one's been out.
Speaker C:No one's going out.
Speaker B:I have as a final image a New More pure version of Bodhi.
Speaker B:So basically, Utah has become maybe a pure version of Bodie.
Speaker C:Hybrid of the two.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he's not going to do the crimes, but he is definitely the Zen now.
Speaker B:He's in a new Zen state.
Speaker B:Like, he tosses his badge and.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Clearly he's not going to stop surfing probably, you know.
Speaker C:So did you, did y' all want him to let Bodhi go?
Speaker C:Like, does this bother you that he let him go or should he have hauled him in and not let him go out there and catch the last wave and like, did you carry the way or.
Speaker D:I think he should have brought him in.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was thinking you, you.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You don't get this.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker D:That would have been ultimate torture.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure.
Speaker C:But can't live in a cage, man.
Speaker B:But it's the whole bromance you get.
Speaker C:It's a whole romance.
Speaker C:Sure, yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like we talked about Fast and Furious.
Speaker C:He lets him go at the end of that too.
Speaker C:It's the same, same thing, but at the same time, I guess Fast and Furious.
Speaker C:He lets him live.
Speaker C:And then we have all these, you know, terrible sequels.
Speaker D:Then it's all about family after that.
Speaker C:It's all about family anyhow.
Speaker C:But in this.
Speaker C:Yeah, like you, like they even address it because, I don't know, I love this background character, the, the New Zealand chief or whatever he is.
Speaker C:What the fuck, Utah?
Speaker C:You let him go?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's not, he's not.
Speaker C:No, I didn't.
Speaker C:He's not coming back.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And guys, we'll get him when he comes back in.
Speaker C:He's not coming back.
Speaker C:Like, I mean, so he's let him go to his death, you know.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, there's.
Speaker B:I don't want to say that the throwing away the badge is an obligatory, you know, or whatever scene.
Speaker B:It has been done like even as early as like Dirty.
Speaker B:I don't know if you remember the end of Dirty Harry when he's chasing the Zodiac killer or whatever he, he want.
Speaker B:And he's all because, because Harry Callahan is always getting a beef for, you know, brutality and very rights of the criminal and this kind of thing.
Speaker B:Well, he winds up killing the Zodiac at the end of the movie.
Speaker B:And, and he, and he knows he's probably going to catch hell for that.
Speaker B:And so, you know, the closing image of Dirty Harry, he's standing there and he tosses his badge into the swamp or the lagoon or wherever.
Speaker B:You know, that's some little swampy water area, warehouse district or something, having just killed the Zodiac.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And he tosses his badge.
Speaker B:Of course, he's back as Harry Callahan, too.
Speaker B:So I must have.
Speaker B:Somebody must have fished out for him, you know.
Speaker D:Right, right, right.
Speaker D:What are you doing?
Speaker D:Go get that.
Speaker B:You don't need that for the next movie.
Speaker D:You know, you get your 10% off at the donut place with that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:Talk about the.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think the Dirty Harry movies largely hold up.
Speaker B:I think 1 and 2 magnum force, I think, is amazing.
Speaker B:After that, I get silly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know about get silly.
Speaker B:They're pretty good.
Speaker B:But the first two are really, really good, you know?
Speaker C:So you're okay with the scene of him throwing the badge away or we could have.
Speaker C:In Point Break.
Speaker B:In Point Break.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think he's become.
Speaker B:He's become who?
Speaker C:And if we don't see that, then.
Speaker C:Because even their.
Speaker C:Their hair.
Speaker C:His hair.
Speaker C:He's growing his hair out.
Speaker C:His hair is longer.
Speaker C:And Patrick seems shorter to me.
Speaker C:Maybe it's just because it was wet.
Speaker B:It looks like.
Speaker B:No, it looks like it was cut because he's probably disguised himself or.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And one thing I thought was, did they film that first?
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:He's growing his hair out.
Speaker C:Keanu had.
Speaker C:Maybe his hair was long.
Speaker C:Bill and Ted or Parent Parenthood, which is interesting to me if they did film it first.
Speaker C:Because you.
Speaker C:You buy their emotions in that scene.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:Well, even if.
Speaker B:Well, in terms of story, timeline, you could see that.
Speaker B:That Utah is becoming a new boaty.
Speaker C:And still surf every day.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So, yeah.
Speaker D:Pass.
Speaker D:Consider recommend.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I picked it.
Speaker D:Obviously.
Speaker D:I'm gonna consider it.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:It's awesome movie.
Speaker D:I wanna.
Speaker D:Is it perfect?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:Is it.
Speaker D:Is there a lot of Keanu getting used to.
Speaker D:Yeah, but it's a fantastic movie.
Speaker D:It's a classic.
Speaker B:No, it is.
Speaker D:It is absolutely recommend.
Speaker B:Absolutely a classic.
Speaker B:And I do recommend it, especially if you're into the genre or want to watch movies in that genre.
Speaker B:This is a classic in that.
Speaker B:I think it's an enjoyable movie.
Speaker B:Even as a standalone.
Speaker B:I do think it is a little bit dated.
Speaker B:I would have.
Speaker B:The audience score is 65 on.
Speaker B:Well, I'm sorry, I would have given it a little higher score than, say, the Rotten Tomato fans did, but.
Speaker B:But I do recommend it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:In the same year.
Speaker C:It's definitely.
Speaker C:Definitely a recommend.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Love this movie.
Speaker A:How much longer do we have?
Speaker A:So I can.
Speaker A:I have a long list of things.
Speaker C:Wonderful.
Speaker B:Let it rip.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:First of all.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, this.
Speaker A:I don't love this movie like you guys.
Speaker B:Well, I really like it.
Speaker B:I don't think it's.
Speaker A:All right, first of all, let me go through my little list that I made.
Speaker A:First of all, Keanu.
Speaker A:I love Keanu in Speed and the Lake House.
Speaker B:Oh, and I don't like romance.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't like that time travel stuff, but I actually like that movie, the Lighthouse.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:The lake.
Speaker A:The lake house.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What, does it light out?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Patrick Swayze.
Speaker A:Love Patrick Swayze.
Speaker A:Dirty Dancing, Black Dog, Ghost.
Speaker A:Yeah, this one.
Speaker D:There's a lot of shirtless Patrick Swayze in this movie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:He's tiny.
Speaker D:He's a tiny guy.
Speaker D:Or was a tiny guy.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he's a.
Speaker A:He's a good dancer, too.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:As far as bank robbery movies go.
Speaker A:Because, of course, this is what I'm thinking about when I'm watching.
Speaker A:I'm sitting there thinking, I'd rather watch Bandits, the one with Bruce Willis and Billy Bob.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:As far as Bankrupt, I love that movie.
Speaker A:Or the Newton boys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Matthews, McConaughey, Mean lady, and Ethan Hawke.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So I just wanted to get that out there.
Speaker A:This movie was okay.
Speaker A:I couldn't bring myself to watch it again.
Speaker A:That's why I couldn't remember some of the things that were done.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's worth watching once, but if you want to see, you know, other bank robbers.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it's like.
Speaker B:I think it's a.
Speaker B:It's a guy movie, you know, Maybe that's what.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:I think it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And as far as surfing, that was one of my favorite things.
Speaker A:When we would go.
Speaker A:When we lived in California and we would go out to the pier, I loved just sitting there and watching those guys out there on their surfboards and stuff.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, that.
Speaker A:That was interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But as a movie all together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's okay.
Speaker D:It was in focus.
Speaker D:That's good.
Speaker C:Is it a pass or a consider?
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:Cause I would mean I watch it by all means, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Make your own opinion of it.
Speaker B:But sounds like a consider.
Speaker C:Yeah, as a consider, I guess consider it once and then pass on it every.
Speaker C:All the times after.
Speaker A:And I'm sorry, I apologize.
Speaker A:Because I know there are die hard people, I mean, you know, that love this movie.
Speaker B:It is a classic and in the sense of the action genre.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So that means you're wrong.
Speaker B:No kidding.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker C:We talked about.
Speaker C:We're not, you have to be in.
Speaker C:To agree on the.
Speaker C:You know, that when we review a movie, we're not all going to love.
Speaker B:It, you know, but you have to be into that kind of genre for it to be a class.
Speaker A:All I could think of was, okay, this is.
Speaker A:To me, it was a bank robbery.
Speaker A:I mean, I know it was everything y' all discussed, you know, there was that conflict with Keanu.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Being friends with the bank robbers.
Speaker A:You know, and it's not like the other bank robbery movies that I've watched because, you know, do you.
Speaker A:You know, like with Bruce Willis and Bandits.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're sitting there kind of pulling for them, you know, but.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You don't get to see them doing robberies too much, basically.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:A couple times.
Speaker B:One time and one time at the end, they're actually fairly violent and.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:You know, and I shouldn't be a fan of bank robberies, working in a bank.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:Anyway, I have a theory about bank robberies.
Speaker B:If you're going to do a bank robbery, for every hour that you plan the robbery, you have to spend seven to 10 hours planning the escape.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Because anybody, if you walk into a bank, they're going to give you the money.
Speaker B:They're not even.
Speaker B:They're just going to give it to you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But then what do you do?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:Don't rob banks.
Speaker C:But if you're going to.
Speaker C:Phil's, got some advice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, please don't.
Speaker D:I've been through one.
Speaker A:I've been through one, and that was one too many.
Speaker A:I just don't know.
Speaker D:Yes, you're right.
Speaker D:Don't do it, because you'd have to plan 10 times harder.
Speaker A:And the guy who did rob us, he got caught.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'm saying, like, they're going to give you the money, and then what do you do?
Speaker C:Yeah, they're going.
Speaker C:There's a.
Speaker C:What is it?
Speaker C:Body Heat.
Speaker C:There's a speech that Mickey Rourke gives in Body Heat.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:About crimes or whatever.
Speaker C:And, you know, if you're going to commit a crime and it's, you know, there's a million ways you can fuck them up.
Speaker C:You can think of 10 of them.
Speaker C:You're a genius.
Speaker C:You know, I don't remember the whole speech, but basically, the odds are stacked against you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, there was a guy several years ago who had a genius plan, and he went to work for an armored car company and he worked there and he put the time.
Speaker B:And he worked there for like three or four or five years.
Speaker B:Gained their trust, got the access codes, got the keys.
Speaker B:To where they trusted him at night to load the pallets of money that was deposited there from all the pickups onto these vans to take to the reserve or whatever they do, put all that time in.
Speaker B:So one night, he's alone, he's got the keys, he's got the van, and he loads up a truck full of pallets of money.
Speaker B:I'm talking probably $100 million, I don't know, some outrageous amount of money.
Speaker B:He loaded them in the van and he drove away, and he was gone.
Speaker B:No one knew where he was, couldn't find him.
Speaker B:He got away.
Speaker B:They busted him crossing the border into Mexico penniless, and they found the money in a storage shed in North Carolina.
Speaker B:So he got the money, put all this time in, got the money, and then didn't know what to do.
Speaker B:And he was arrested in Mexico with the money in a storage shed in North Carolina.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Are you telling me you got a van with $100 million in it and you can't figure out, you haven't thought one second how to get away?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Okay, I'm going up to a guy with a boat and saying, Here's $50 million.
Speaker B:Sail me to Geneva.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:You know, Right?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So that's what I'm talking about, man.
Speaker D:You know, it's not realistic.
Speaker D:And that's the thing about.
Speaker D:With you bring it back to the actual movie that we watched.
Speaker D:They didn't ever go into the vault.
Speaker D:They only got the.
Speaker D:The till money.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:To power them through their endless summer.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:And that's why at the end, they break their major rule by going into the vault.
Speaker D:Because you never go into the vault.
Speaker D:What are we doing here?
Speaker D:That's how they get.
Speaker D:That's how you get caught is going off the plan, Right?
Speaker C:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because they were just using the money to.
Speaker C:To finance there in the summer.
Speaker C:Like it wasn't.
Speaker C:I'm going to retire off of this.
Speaker C:It's, you know, every summer.
Speaker C:We're going to the.
Speaker C:The Man.
Speaker C:We're gonna.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's part of the.
Speaker C:Now that we're caught.
Speaker C:Well, now I want to retire off of this.
Speaker C:Or whatever his plan was.
Speaker C:He doesn't ever vocalize it, but, yeah, he wanted.
Speaker C:Knew this was gonna be the last score.
Speaker C:Let's go after the vault.
Speaker C:So that.
Speaker C:Yeah, but again, what was his plan after going into the vault?
Speaker C:I mean, hell, he didn't even plan that out because that went, you know, sideways.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Everybody was surprised.
Speaker B:What are you doing?
Speaker B:What are you doing?
Speaker A:Anyway, okay, sorry.
Speaker A:That was my opinion.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I guess back to what she was talking about, like, as far as you're saying, you know, recognize it as a classic and I agree with you, but, like, if you go through a list of classical musical movies, I'm not going to be.
Speaker C:I don't know that I'm gonna be able to appreciate that.
Speaker C:Those are classics, like musicals.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:So, yeah, they're all the same.
Speaker C:They're crying and bullshitting and carrying on and singing and don't care, but crying.
Speaker B:Sister circle, I call them.
Speaker C:Anyway, we can get into that.
Speaker C:I'm sure we'll watch a musical at some point.
Speaker C:But, like, well, Anniversary.
Speaker B:I hate how they have to is a zombie musical, which I recommend.
Speaker C:All the problems in there.
Speaker C:They got to sing about all their damn problems.
Speaker B:Sure, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, come on.
Speaker D:That is the exposition.
Speaker C:Yeah, but it just.
Speaker C:In the.
Speaker C:I guess the bad musicals, if I had to.
Speaker C:Granted, I haven't seen a lot of musicals, but, like, the new Aladdin was one of them.
Speaker C:Like, there was a whole dialogue scene where they talked about Jasmine's problems.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And it was clear from the dialogue scene what her issue was.
Speaker B:And they sang immediately.
Speaker C:She sang about it.
Speaker C:I'm like, I don't need it twice.
Speaker C:Give me one or the other musical, I guess.
Speaker C:I hate to say this, but remove the dialogue scene and let me just hear you wail about it.
Speaker B:I think that's supposedly how it's supposed to be.
Speaker A:I have to watch the Sound of Music every year.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker A:Anyway, have you ever seen it?
Speaker C:I haven't.
Speaker A:Oh, well, don't.
Speaker A:He won't watch it with me three hours or something.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Song.
Speaker A:Oh, God, it's the best.
Speaker D:That sounds terrible.
Speaker C:It does.
Speaker C:Sounds like a beating.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker D:I'm sure it's fantastic.
Speaker D:And I'm glad people love it.
Speaker A:I go to work singing it and everyone at work just hates it, too.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Is that it?
Speaker B:I think that's it.
Speaker B:Did you obviously recommend it?
Speaker C:Yeah, Yeah, I did.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sweet.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that is point break.
Speaker B:And we are out.
Speaker C:Why do I have to learn to serve?
Speaker C:Why can't I just walk around with this thing in my arm and axe.
Speaker D:Stone like, oh, this is great.
Speaker D:This is really great.
Speaker C:You have to start chanting or something.
Speaker C:Are you right?
Speaker D:Immediately.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I will not watch it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's the one I like.
Speaker D:Like surfing.
Speaker C:Steel Magnolias is a better movie than the Last Action Hero.
Speaker C:I'm gonna say it right now.
Speaker D:That'S a very elder millennial thing.
Speaker D:Thing to say is they had the cgi Patrick Swayze's hair on.
Speaker D:How many times has Keanu Reeves been named John?
Speaker B:I edit these things, Chris.
Speaker B:You can say what you want.
Speaker B:It's never going to show.
