A Critical Dissection of Stephen King's 'The Mist': Themes of Judgment and Survival
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The central theme of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of the film "The Mist," a cinematic adaptation of Stephen King's work. We delve into the intricate mechanics of the narrative, highlighting the juxtaposition between human frailty and the monstrous elements that emerge from both the mist and within the characters themselves. Our discourse reveals the profound implications of the film's ending, which serves as a stark commentary on the lengths to which individuals will go to protect their loved ones, often at a terrible cost. As we dissect the characters' decisions and the moral dilemmas presented, we uncover the chilling reality that safety may come with an irrevocable sacrifice. Ultimately, this examination not only sheds light on the film's artistry but also invites listeners to reflect on the nature of fear, survival, and the human condition in the face of overwhelming horror.
The podcast delves into the intricate narrative of Stephen King's adaptation, *The Mist*, exploring the thematic essence of human morality amidst existential dread. The speakers articulate the central question of the film: to what extent will individuals go to ensure the safety of their loved ones, particularly in the face of overwhelming horror? Through a meticulous dissection of character motivations, particularly that of David Drayton, the discussion underscores the moral complexities that arise when the instinct for survival collides with ethical dilemmas. The juxtaposition of self-preservation against communal responsibility is examined, illuminating the film's commentary on societal breakdown under duress. The speakers reflect on the film's poignant ending, which starkly contrasts the ambiguous conclusion of the original novella, propelling the narrative into a realm of moral absolutism that resonates with the theme of judgment—a hallmark of King's storytelling.
Takeaways:
- The podcast delves into the complexities of adapting Stephen King's 'The Mist', highlighting the differences between the film and the source material.
- The speakers emphasize the importance of character choices in horror narratives, particularly how fear drives decisions in dire circumstances.
- A profound discussion arises concerning the moral implications of sacrificing for safety, illustrating the dark themes present in King's work.
- Listeners are cautioned about the film's intense and unsettling ending, which serves as a significant commentary on human nature and survival instincts.
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Speaker B:Studying a movie in the mechanical level I think can really bring some revelation.
Speaker C:I believe that no one sets out to make a bad movie with the exception of.
Speaker D:On paper.
Speaker D:This should work.
Speaker B:This should work.
Speaker D:I just don't like it.
Speaker A:That's your own fault if you haven't seen it.
Speaker B:Way over budget.
Speaker B:Start cutting scenes.
Speaker B:Even the actors don't know what that movie is about.
Speaker B:I wish I wrote that.
Speaker D:Which.
Speaker C:I love the title, but that movie's trash.
Speaker B:Well, told me a man.
Speaker B:It's good for you.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Fellowship of the Real Four Friends in a movie.
Speaker B:This was Chris's pick.
Speaker B:Stephen King's the Mist we will be discussing.
Speaker B:And I think we all have some feelings about maybe how this movie ends.
Speaker D:It ends a bit differently than the book.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:It's preparation for this and for a future episode.
Speaker D:I'm listening to both the books.
Speaker D:The Mist book I listened to.
Speaker D:And now I'm reading the Shining for later.
Speaker D:Book is completely different.
Speaker D:Most all the way around.
Speaker B:But did King say that he was like, he was impressed with how they ended the movie?
Speaker C:I think he's okay with it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think he.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I thought the quote I read was, I wish I thought of that.
Speaker C:Mean.
Speaker D:So well in the book, there's even a line talking about that.
Speaker D:Of how the movie ends.
Speaker D:In the book.
Speaker D:It's considered.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like if it goes wrong, I can always do this.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:It has more of an ambiguous.
Speaker B:Gotcha.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But hopeful ending.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:For.
Speaker A:For this one, I feel like we should.
Speaker A:Should say there.
Speaker A:Give a spoiler alert.
Speaker A:Because we always talk about everything in the movie, but this one, definitely.
Speaker A:If you don't want to know what's going to happen and you haven't seen it, watch the movie.
Speaker B:Shut this off and go watch it and then come.
Speaker A:Because there's a lot that has to be discussed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:No, good.
Speaker C:Good.
Speaker C:Spoiler alert.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I still feel.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:It's at the beginning of our thing, the audio clip you pulled from Sherry.
Speaker C:But I still.
Speaker C:I guess because we're always reviewing, you know, old movies.
Speaker C:I still think your clip is the best.
Speaker C:Like, that's your fault if you haven't seen it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Makes me laugh every time I hear it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:By now, definitely on this one, though.
Speaker C:I wanted to seven so, yeah.
Speaker B:2007.
Speaker C:What have you been doing?
Speaker A:I wanted to mention that, though.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker C:Seriously, we should be mindful of that on this movie and any other movies.
Speaker A:Because I'm going to Talk about the end of it.
Speaker C:Yeah, we got to.
Speaker C:We got to.
Speaker B:I think now, having seen it the first time a while back and hating it and then watching it this time with a more critical eye, I do still hate it.
Speaker B:But I have more respect for the choices that were made.
Speaker A:No, I just want to say also thank you to Chris.
Speaker A:You made me break a promise that I made to myself that I would never, ever watch this movie again.
Speaker A:And I watched it again.
Speaker C:So my payback is coming is what you're saying.
Speaker A:Oh, let's see.
Speaker D:This.
Speaker D:This was one of those ones.
Speaker D:I saw it when it first came out, and I watched it five or six times preparing for this one.
Speaker D:My feelings on it have not changed.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's.
Speaker D:I'll just go ahead and say it.
Speaker D:Not my favorite Frank Darabont Stephen King collaboration.
Speaker D:There's two other ones, which are the Green Mile and Shawshank, which are two far superior movies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:To this one.
Speaker D:On acting.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Story.
Speaker D:Most everything.
Speaker D:But to be fair, those other two weren't Stephen King horror stories.
Speaker D:This one is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:And his horror stories, his Stephen King's endings.
Speaker D:He normally doesn't stick the landing on all of them.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:In the book, it ends ambiguously and the movie does not.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:But that's the least part that bothers me, quite honestly.
Speaker B:Well, we're gonna get into it.
Speaker B:Chris, before we forget, wanted to do a shout out.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I just want to give a shout out to Brad Paris.
Speaker C:He's listened to every single one of these podcasts so far, and so just keep it up, man.
Speaker C:I appreciate all the support.
Speaker C:If we get more people that will listen to every single one, then we can quit our day job.
Speaker C:So appreciate it.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker D:I love my job.
Speaker D:I don't know about you guys, not.
Speaker C:That I don't like my job, but if I could, you know, stay home and draw a check some other way, you know, by doing this, and then they give me more time to write, that would be great.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Start selling feet pics.
Speaker D:MAN ON Only fans just take pictures of your feet.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, no, that's true.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker C:I've told the wife that, look, we can make some extra money.
Speaker C:She's like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker C:No, no, I'm talking about your feet, you know?
Speaker C:Or you're totally silly.
Speaker D:Totally not.
Speaker D:I don't.
Speaker D:I can't say that I haven't thought about it.
Speaker D:Yeah, listen, I've got hobbit feet.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:There's a section of the Internet for that.
Speaker C:It's nuts.
Speaker B:Everybody loves something.
Speaker C:It's true.
Speaker B:Anyway, did you have the money, critics, fan stuff, Chris, or.
Speaker C:Yeah, I've got the money stuff.
Speaker C:And then I guess I don't have the critic stuff.
Speaker C:I apologize.
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker C:So the budget was 15 million.
Speaker C:So fairly modest budget.
Speaker C:And then it made 57 million worldwide.
Speaker C: ,: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I guess.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:You guys see this in the theater or did you see it?
Speaker C:I did not later on, but I saw it in the theater for sure.
Speaker D:I saw it in the theater.
Speaker C:I'm pretty sure at the time, I was aware that it was Frank Darabont.
Speaker C:Like, I was.
Speaker C:I was a big fan of him, like, already, I think.
Speaker C:And because of, like, we talked about the Shawshank Redemption and Green Mile.
Speaker C:I will agree with you, James, that those movies are better, but they're.
Speaker C:They're different to me.
Speaker C:Those even, like, Tank Take Freight, Bare Bond.
Speaker C:Sorry, Darabont out.
Speaker C:You know, remove him.
Speaker C:And just Stephen King stories.
Speaker C:Rate them as just Stephen King stories.
Speaker C:Those stories are better, but there's different.
Speaker C:This is more of a.
Speaker C:You know, I think it's a testament to Stephen King and how good he is with characters and just.
Speaker C:And people.
Speaker C:Like, he can.
Speaker C:You know, he can tell a story with creatures, and he can tell one without a creek, without creatures, and still, you know, give you a compelling story.
Speaker D:Yeah, he builds.
Speaker D:Stephen King builds the best worlds.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, I didn't start reading him.
Speaker C: ust are reading him to, like,: Speaker C:Like, I know he was the horror guy, but horror was never really my thing.
Speaker C:And then I remember one day I was entertaining an idea about a horror western, you know, of my own.
Speaker C:And also the Dark Tower series.
Speaker C:So I started reading that.
Speaker D:Oh.
Speaker C:And was hooked.
Speaker C:So I read Dark Tower first, and then I started just devouring everything of his after that, and I still haven't.
Speaker C:I've got stuff on my shelf that I haven't read because he's written so much.
Speaker D:Oh, very.
Speaker D:Yeah, he's great.
Speaker C:He's my favorite.
Speaker B:Just screwed the pooch on the Dark Tower.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I was gonna ask, how far.
Speaker D:How far did you get in the dark?
Speaker C:Read all of them.
Speaker C:Phil and I have talked about this a little bit.
Speaker C:I'm okay with the ending.
Speaker D:He does not like the ending I made it to.
Speaker D:I forget is the one that was like the wizard of Oz where they were on the train going, oh, okay.
Speaker C:That's like the third one.
Speaker D:Third, Fourth book.
Speaker D:I made it to there and I bailed.
Speaker D:I checked out.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But the first is not my.
Speaker C:Not my favorite.
Speaker D:The first book was amazing.
Speaker C:I really like the second one.
Speaker C:And the third one with the train was okay.
Speaker C:And then the wizard in Glass, which is a lot of his backstory.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:The Magnuson 7.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Wolves.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, Stephen King, I always liked when the.
Speaker A:He did the miniseries on tv because it's made for tv, so it's not too bad for me.
Speaker A:But you look forward to the next.
Speaker A:You know, the next night when they show the next episode.
Speaker A:And of course, my favorite is the Stand.
Speaker B:Yeah, the original.
Speaker A:The original Stand it.
Speaker D:And one of my favorites that I don't.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I haven't found it as readily as those is the Langaliers.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker D:Made for tv.
Speaker D:One was.
Speaker D:It was terrible.
Speaker C:The stories are really good.
Speaker D:Yeah, it was.
Speaker D:It was a fun movie.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:As far as the critics and fans, Both fairly kind critics, 72% Tomatometer and Fan 65%, which is not terrible.
Speaker B:I think the ending had a lot to do with maybe somehow lower scores or whatever.
Speaker B:Anyway, so into the structure of the breakdown, the opening image is what I have is.
Speaker B:And when you're dealing with Stephen King, he draws upon a lot of times the whole Stephen King world.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:The opening image is.
Speaker B:I guess this guy is a painter.
Speaker B:David is a painter.
Speaker B:Maybe of book covers, I guess.
Speaker C:Or I think it's.
Speaker C:Well, I think it's supposed to be movies.
Speaker C:Supposed to be like Drew Struzan, who is the real guy that does movie posters.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:Those are his posters in the studio.
Speaker C:But I think he's supposed to kind of have the same job.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Because one of them is from the Dark Tower.
Speaker B:It's the COVID of the Dark.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's the gun to the main.
Speaker D:One he's working on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:The king of it.
Speaker D:But there's also the thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, I thought that was the thing.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's a thing in there.
Speaker C:And I don't remember what else those are.
Speaker C:Again, those are all Drew Struzan actual posters.
Speaker C:Like, he did those.
Speaker C:This guy did Indiana Jones.
Speaker C:He did.
Speaker C:Like in real life.
Speaker C:He did Indiana Jones.
Speaker D:He did Star Wars.
Speaker C:Star Wars.
Speaker C:He did like a bunch, like really big in the 80s.
Speaker C:They've kind of gotten away from those style posters.
Speaker C:He kind of did one for the Mist that was never used.
Speaker D:Well, he mentioned that in the movie, after the storm comes of all, they could just whip this up and Photoshop in an afternoon.
Speaker D:And that was a dig at that Exact.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, I actually have one.
Speaker C:Met him at Comic Con and he have a Temple of Doom poster that he signed.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:The media room.
Speaker C:That's very cool because yeah, they just do all digital shit now instead of, you know, this guy actually by hand and all that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, some artists capture the likeness really well and some don't.
Speaker C:And I've always felt like his posters captured, you know, the actors really well.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:You know, there is I think a theme stated I have and I didn't pick up on it right away but as I was watching this, I think it centers around this idea at some point.
Speaker B:David says after the storm, you know, and their house has been damaged and the neighbors house has been damaged.
Speaker B:David will say all that matters is we're.
Speaker B:Is that we're safe.
Speaker B:And I think this is the dramatic question or sort of the.
Speaker B:The theme of the matter of the movie.
Speaker B:All that matters is we're safe because that is going to come into play much later and I think leads to.
Speaker B:And builds the foundation for this, for this ending.
Speaker B:I have translated.
Speaker B:All that matters is what's is good for me and mine.
Speaker B:Because later there's the scene in the shopping cent in the grocery store where the woman wants somebody to help her go to her kids there.
Speaker B:You know, I left them with my daughter.
Speaker B:She's only eight, won't somebody help me a.
Speaker C:Because she wanted to step out and grab groceries very quickly and get back and had no idea that the mist would come and trap them in the store.
Speaker B:Won't somebody help a woman get back to her kid?
Speaker C:I think she's done.
Speaker C:She doesn't use the word decency too.
Speaker C:Doesn't someone have the decent.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Any of you have the decency to see a lady home or whatever?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And David Thomas, Jane or whatever, right.
Speaker B:Will say I've got my own kids to worry about.
Speaker B:And I think this is what's.
Speaker B:What's happening here.
Speaker B:This idea of decency, bravery or only.
Speaker C:Helping others over yourself.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Only being concerned about yourself.
Speaker C:Even like looks away from it.
Speaker C:Picks up his kid and turns away from I got my own kids worry about lady and then turns away.
Speaker B:He seems a little conflicted about it, but not enough to change.
Speaker B:Now Stephen King, I don't know what his background is but he is very fond of the Old Testament wrath God.
Speaker B:Okay, So I don't know that we ever.
Speaker B:Because in other movies there is this idea, right of like whole town being punished.
Speaker B:The storm of the century, right.
Speaker B:Or whatever where they all march into the sea.
Speaker B:We don't I don't know that we're ever told, but I suspect that the people of this town do have dark secrets that are now being visited upon them in some kind of judgment.
Speaker B:And I think that will.
Speaker B:As we go through.
Speaker B:I think we can talk about some of that.
Speaker B:But I think that is what's at play here in Stephen King's telling of this story.
Speaker C:Yeah, there was a.
Speaker C:So, you know, they.
Speaker C:They don't.
Speaker C:I don't know they exactly reveal it, but they talk about the experiments, the Arrowhead Project, the military was doing, and they opened some sort of portal or whatever, and that's where these things came from.
Speaker C:There's a prologue that Darabont wrote showing, I guess, them doing that.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:He never filmed it, but I think it's better, I guess, without it.
Speaker C:I like the way it is.
Speaker C:But that was interesting that he had actually took the time to write it, because that's not in the book, if I remember right.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyhow, moving through the setup.
Speaker B:A book cover artist.
Speaker B:We're safe.
Speaker B:That's all that matters.
Speaker B:A mist rolling in, getting supplies when the power goes out.
Speaker B:The Arrowhead Project that you were talking about, soldiers rolling out in a hurry.
Speaker B:There are theories cast about aliens, crash ship from.
Speaker B:From.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because the town doesn't know what they do up there at the Arrowhead Project.
Speaker C:Yeah, they all have theories about it or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:He goes to town.
Speaker C:He goes to the.
Speaker C:He has a beef with his neighbor.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:There's some history there.
Speaker C:They sued him once over, you know, over the tree or something, if I remember right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:So they end up going to the store together.
Speaker C:David, his son Billy.
Speaker C:And then the Norton, I think, is the.
Speaker C:The neighbor.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:David is early on, very concerned about the safety of his child.
Speaker B:Billy, make sure you hold his hand.
Speaker B:This kind of thing.
Speaker B:All that matters is we're safe now.
Speaker B:The Stephen King world.
Speaker B:This is the cat.
Speaker B:They're reading the Castle Rock Times newspaper.
Speaker B:So again, you're gonna draw upon.
Speaker B:Especially like in something like the.
Speaker B:The Gunslinger, where basically you drew, in Salem's Lot all this stuff from Stephen King's world into the story.
Speaker B:You're getting some of that here.
Speaker C:Yeah, they did a cool thing on that.
Speaker C:On each Dark Tower book, like, when you go to other books written by Stephen King, they're bolded, the ones that are connected to that.
Speaker B:Oh, is that right?
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker B:So this is the setup.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:They eventually wind up at the grocery store.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:They leave the.
Speaker D:The husband and son go to the store, and the mom is left back to do some gardening.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Mist was coming across the lake.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We're given this foreboding.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They even, like have a brief discussion about what it is like.
Speaker C:He's the dad's the one that's.
Speaker C:What is that?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Mist.
Speaker C:I mean, they're not a weatherman.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I'm not a weatherman.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker C:He says that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Thomas Jane's voice is very unique to me.
Speaker C:I don't know why I get a.
Speaker C:I get a kick at it.
Speaker B:Just the way he talks to the catalyst.
Speaker B:There's a town alarm.
Speaker B:Early alert goes off.
Speaker B:A bloody man, Dan shows up.
Speaker B:Something in the mist.
Speaker B:Something in the mist.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's all bloody.
Speaker C:He's yelling, screaming, running.
Speaker B:John Lee or whatever.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Something in the mist took John Lee.
Speaker B:Something in the mist took John Lee.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, the mist is thick now the man flees and pays with his life.
Speaker B:So now they are on high alert.
Speaker B:They lock the doors.
Speaker B:And again, Stephen King, you get this crazy prophet lady declares it's the revelation, like end times.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:That she is going to be the Ms.
Speaker B:Carmody.
Speaker C:Ms.
Speaker C:Carmody.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The harbinger of what is happening.
Speaker C:So Marcy Gay Harden is the actress, right?
Speaker B:Marcy Gay Harden, yeah.
Speaker C:She nails it.
Speaker C:I mean, she does a really good job.
Speaker B:And I think initially you're meant to think that she is crazy and she is crazy.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think she has a swing from crazy to, you know, something else and then back to crazy.
Speaker D:But to cult leader crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Expiation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, right, right, exactly.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We'll get into this.
Speaker A:Can I just mention, a lot of times when they showed her, all I could think of is what we've been going through with COVID and just the different, you know, people like her coming out.
Speaker C:Conspiracy theorists and stuff.
Speaker D:People that are not quiet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:While a lot of.
Speaker A:Yeah, it reminded me a lot of.
Speaker B:What we've been going through, I guess.
Speaker B:So that's the catalyst, the debate.
Speaker B:Go out or stay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So the lady must get home to her kids.
Speaker B:Will somebody help me?
Speaker B:There are no takers.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:Refresh my memory.
Speaker B:When she leaves, she curses them.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:What is the exact line?
Speaker C:I don't remember if it's all just me all rotting hell.
Speaker B:Yeah, something like that.
Speaker C:Something along those lines.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So nobody helps her.
Speaker C:I think it's important.
Speaker C:It's not just the main guy.
Speaker C:Nobody helps her.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so I guess we didn't Talk about the genre.
Speaker B:But obviously I think this safely is a monster in the house.
Speaker C:Oh, I had buddy love, but non blind.
Speaker C:It's monster.
Speaker D:Golden Fleece.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Monster in the house.
Speaker B:Which means there's a monster, a sin in a location.
Speaker B:And so I don't know that we're ever explicitly told their sin, but I think this is it.
Speaker B:Only thing matters is that we're safe.
Speaker B:I got my own kids to worry about.
Speaker C:I got my own kids.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, nobody help a lady.
Speaker C:Others.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, I agree with you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I didn't.
Speaker C:I've seen that movie a lot and I didn't notice that this time until.
Speaker C:Or didn't notice it till this time.
Speaker C:So then when you'd said before, when we talked about it, you felt like you'd caught the theme.
Speaker C:I was curious to see if it was the same because I don't know.
Speaker C:Even though with the ending and all that, it's still.
Speaker C:I guess just watching stuff more with a critical eye.
Speaker C:Like that scene held more weight.
Speaker C:Ask.
Speaker C:And walks out.
Speaker C:Hell, more weight than it did previously.
Speaker C:I'm sure I was on board with him before.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker C:Well, I got my own kids worried about waiting.
Speaker C:Like, I was probably even didn't think of it as being kind of shitty on his part, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You want to go out there.
Speaker C:Something took John Lee.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:You know, on some.
Speaker B:On some level it's justifiable, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that is chiefly what's happening here.
Speaker D:Not just took John Lee.
Speaker D:Didn't it take somebody else, too?
Speaker D:Like they ran out to go to their car and then you hear him.
Speaker C:Yes, you are correct.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because people immediately.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Get in the car.
Speaker C:I'm going to get home.
Speaker C:Because sirens and are going off and.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you just hear.
Speaker C:You don't see it at this point, but.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:You just hear the horrible scream.
Speaker D:So everybody in the store.
Speaker D:Everybody in the store has witnessed what happened.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But not when the.
Speaker B:Like when the woman leaves to go get her kids.
Speaker B:There is none of that.
Speaker B:She just disappears into the mist.
Speaker D:You don't know what happened to her.
Speaker C:Yeah, correct.
Speaker B:This happens a couple times now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because they even talk about, you know, some kind of poison cloud from the mountain, you know, like they have no idea.
Speaker D:Chemical explosion.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But this lady is leaving.
Speaker B:She is not gonna let anything stop her from getting to her kids, risking her own life.
Speaker B:And it's ambiguous at first what happened because nothing.
Speaker B:We don't hear her.
Speaker C:We never.
Speaker D:In the book.
Speaker D:In the book, it's ambiguous.
Speaker D:It's left ambiguous.
Speaker D:In the book.
Speaker D:Part of that scene here, I think it may have been a performance by Melissa McBride.
Speaker D:She's the lady that came off so cheesy to me the way that she was doing Won't somebody helping the lady home to her kids and little Johnny's at.
Speaker D:That was just so cheesy to me.
Speaker D:And then I listened to the book and it's word for word exactly what Stephen King.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:I think it's trying to.
Speaker B:To paint what's going on here.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think at some point she asked and then is appealing to, you know, their nature.
Speaker B:Look, you know, I'm not just asking for help, you know, won't I got my kids, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think she's trying to really swing them by.
Speaker B:By saying, you know, if you don't help me, you're cowards kind of thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You still think it's cheesy, James?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:I do.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker D:And again, I don't know if it's her performance or whatever.
Speaker D:Her performance, But I've seen her in other stuff and she's.
Speaker B:Well, she was.
Speaker B:She's in the Walking Dead and Dare Bound does the Walking Dead.
Speaker D:A lot of these people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Dan was from the Walking Dead as well.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker D:This is where you found a lot of those people.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:Even one of Thomas anymore.
Speaker C:I think he.
Speaker C:I think actually last year, he was.
Speaker C:The big fallout between him and the Walking Dead AMC producers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think he finally, like, got awarded, like, $200 million for his.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, his.
Speaker B:His company KDB or whatever.
Speaker B:Did they do the special effects for the Walking Dead?
Speaker B:He's the D.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:We watched a special on it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, there's a YouTube guy who went to KDB or whatever it is special effects, and.
Speaker C:And Darabont.
Speaker B:And Darabont is in there.
Speaker C:And I'm trying to remember how he ended up with someone owing, you know, them owing him so much money.
Speaker B:But if he does the effect and his company did the special effects for this.
Speaker D:Well, the.
Speaker D:Bring it back a little bit to the Walking Dead.
Speaker D:Thomas Jane from this was high in consideration for Rick Grimes.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:That went good.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So that fell apart, however that happened.
Speaker D:But yeah, this movie was before the Walking Dead, but it was setting up all the pieces to do that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So anyway.
Speaker D:Yeah, she's a great actress.
Speaker D:I just don't know why it rubs me the wrong way, that little scene.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:But it's not the only part in the movie that rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker D:We'll get to it.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So she leaves, and then Dan, I.
Speaker B:Have Dan's neighbor, voting for staying and encouraging others to do.
Speaker B:For leaving, maybe encouraging others to do so, discussing the nature of the mist.
Speaker B:And then this crazy prophet lady talks of sin and dissolution because she starts saying, this is for your sin and dissolution to all the people in the store.
Speaker B:Which started me thinking, well, if this is the King's world.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:There's some dark shit in this neighbor.
Speaker C:You don't think it's just sin in general.
Speaker C:You think it's.
Speaker C:There's stuff in this.
Speaker B:Yes, I think this town is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We'll get into that as we go.
Speaker B:But I think she's initially portrayed as a wacko, but this town has made a deal or has got deep skeletons that is now being visited upon them.
Speaker B:And this is how King does things.
Speaker B:This is his Old Testament God kind of stuff.
Speaker C:And this is younger King, too.
Speaker C:He wrote it.
Speaker C: The story came out: Speaker C:So it is younger King versus older King.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:This is in one of his novellas.
Speaker D:I forget which one specifically, but I.
Speaker C:Think it's in Skeleton Crew, if I remember right.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyhow, they're still debating the nature of the things that.
Speaker B:In the generator room.
Speaker B:This is no ordinary mist.
Speaker B:This kid is taken.
Speaker B:You know the one that.
Speaker B:There's a.
Speaker B:There's a group that wants to do the thing with the generator, but you have to go on the roof.
Speaker B:And he's all gung ho until he gets.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because the backup generator has stopped.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:They want to be able to get it back on for the power and stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they're debating Thomas Jane.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:You know, again, that's another one that bugs me of.
Speaker D:They just watched a man run in saying that the mistook somebody.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:They just watched somebody run out and get taken.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Now they want to open the door and go get on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:What?
Speaker C:It bugs you?
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:I like it because I think that's how people would react.
Speaker B:It's the mask.
Speaker B:No mask thing.
Speaker C:People.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:People are going to respond differently.
Speaker C:Oh, there's nothing to worry about.
Speaker C:I'm not wearing my master.
Speaker C:Your point?
Speaker C:Or this denial, like, that's, you know, people, you know, when they were facing something they can't process, they deny it.
Speaker C:And then even the guy even turns it.
Speaker C:William Sadler's the actor.
Speaker C:You know, Mr.
Speaker C:Dr.
Speaker C:You're big fancy.
Speaker C:And I don't like you talking down to me, like, even turns it to this other thing that it's not.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker D:And then when Ollie says the thing is, this is a problem they can solve.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:Let them solve it.
Speaker D:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:But again, it's.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm with you.
Speaker C:Like, I'm not going to be wanting to open the damn thing.
Speaker C:I'm like, hey, I just saw these Johnny Lee and all these other people disappear.
Speaker C:I'm on board.
Speaker C:There's something fucking out there, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know if it's Thomas argue facts, you know, but whether it's Thomas James character, somebody.
Speaker B:I didn't write down who said it, but somebody says, we're in deep shit here.
Speaker B:I guess at some point they.
Speaker B:There's this.
Speaker B:We're in deep shit.
Speaker B:You know, the summation or whatever is.
Speaker C:That after the kids taking.
Speaker C:Because they open the door.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The kid is taking.
Speaker B:No doubt.
Speaker B:Now what's next?
Speaker B:Kill the generator.
Speaker B:We're in deep shit here.
Speaker B:It's around this whole generator.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So the kid, they think there's nothing.
Speaker C:Then the kid gets taken and there's.
Speaker C:But all they see is tentacles.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:Like, that's one of my favorite lines is, what the hell are those tentacles even attached to?
Speaker C:You know, it's.
Speaker C:Lathe watched this one with me as well.
Speaker C:He was knocking the CGI a little bit.
Speaker C: I'm like, hey, it was: Speaker C:It was lower budget.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, whatever.
Speaker C:This is still pretty creepy.
Speaker B:No, it was.
Speaker B:I thought it was still pretty good.
Speaker A:Can I mention something about the.
Speaker A:The monsters too?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because watching it a second time, I actually enjoyed everything up to the ending because I forgot I couldn't.
Speaker A:You know, I see that monster and then the next time they have a different something that comes in and then there's a third.
Speaker A:I was like, I didn't remember it.
Speaker C:Being so many different creatures.
Speaker A:So many different creatures.
Speaker A:But then they talked about opening a portal or something.
Speaker A:I said, oh, I guess that's.
Speaker A:Is that what it was?
Speaker B:All the creatures from that world coming over?
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because that kind of threw me off.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Leith wanted to know.
Speaker C:You know, he's like, it was a shame they didn't have like 11 up there from Stranger Things.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, at the.
Speaker C:Where.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker C:Yeah, the Upside project to help out, you know.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So the entire front of the store is plate glass, someone says.
Speaker B:And then there's lots of issues between people.
Speaker B:Anger debates.
Speaker C:Well, they had this big discussion about, do we tell the Rest of the people trapped in this market about what happened back there with that kid.
Speaker C:Because that kid's gone.
Speaker C:He gets killed.
Speaker C:They have like a section of a tentacle they cut off.
Speaker C:And so they try to.
Speaker C:He tries to convince his neighbor, who already, you know, they're at odds.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:The thing that caught me is like, he thinks they're playing a joke on him again.
Speaker C:These people denying their facts and shit.
Speaker C:They're saying.
Speaker C:And they all sudden turn it personal.
Speaker C:You're talking down to me, or I'm the outsider on the town.
Speaker C:You're trying to play a joke on me.
Speaker C:That's what his neighbor says.
Speaker C:And just those aspects of people and personalities, like, that's to me, one of the things I really like about the stories.
Speaker C:I think that.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:I think it's what fucking people would do.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:I mean, again, to your point, look at how the world responded to covet and mask and no mask.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:One thing that bugged me about it and I've again didn't think about till this time when he's trying to convince the.
Speaker C:The neighbor.
Speaker C:Well, just come back there and look with me, man.
Speaker C:No fucking.
Speaker C:You know, I think they even like, put his hands on each other and get your fucking hands.
Speaker C:His shirt was covered in blood.
Speaker C:He changes shirts, right?
Speaker C:David does.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Why didn't go grab that damn bloody shirt and show him.
Speaker C:Look, look at this.
Speaker C:Instead of trying to get him to physically go back to a place, he just sat on the shelf somewhere, like again.
Speaker C:Seen a thousand times.
Speaker C:Never thought about it till this time.
Speaker C:I'm like, why didn't you grab your shirt, man?
Speaker C:I don't know that well, thing to help convince, like, where do you think this fucking blood come from?
Speaker C:There would have helped the argument.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think at that point he may have thought, you know, doesn't matter.
Speaker D:Well, they did it in the movie, but not as much in the book as after the kids taken out of the door and they close the door and they come back, that whole group of guys goes directly to the beer cooler and starts drinking.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So when they're like, okay, who are we gonna tell?
Speaker D:Who we gonna tell?
Speaker D:They're getting more and more sauced up.
Speaker D:So that kind of adds a little depth to it.
Speaker D:You and your drunk buddies are over here trying to make fun of me pulling back here.
Speaker C:No, you're right.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker D:So it didn't show it that much in the movie, but.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That's important though.
Speaker C:I mean, you're gonna want a beer after that.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Well, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:And so I thought this was a cool moment, a funny moment when they come out from the back door.
Speaker B:The way the guy describes their problem, he's trying to be tentative.
Speaker B:It appears we may have a problem of some magnitude here about the tentacle and the guy being killed that said it.
Speaker C:Or somebody else.
Speaker B:I think it was like one of the storm.
Speaker B:I think he was one of the employees.
Speaker C:Oh, the other guys.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:It appears we may have a problem of some magnitude here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Contrasted with somebody else earlier saying we're in deep shit.
Speaker D:I think his name is Bud Brown, if I remember right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's not only.
Speaker C:It's the other manager or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because you can tell he and Ollie have like, a history.
Speaker C:Like, he scoffs when Ollie says.
Speaker C:Yeah, I can shoot right?
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Now, this is where I have the break into two through the door of the warehouse.
Speaker B:So they've had their experience in there.
Speaker B:And they come out, you know, a problem of some magnitude through the doors at around 39 minutes.
Speaker B:I have it as the break into two.
Speaker B:Now, you know, something is definitely going on.
Speaker B:And now we have to react to it.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Then we had the fun and games of being trapped in the store and all that stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Fun and games.
Speaker B:Prophetess.
Speaker B:Let me help.
Speaker B:They can't be all bad.
Speaker B:She seems crazy, but maybe she knows something we don't know about this town.
Speaker B:She preaches her sermon.
Speaker B:That's when I started thinking, okay, this is Stephen King story.
Speaker B:She seems crazy, but based on some of his stories and how he casts things, maybe this town isn't Snow White like we think they are.
Speaker C:Do you think you're also looking for.
Speaker C:Because you're, you know, it's a monster in the house.
Speaker C:And trying to identify the sin.
Speaker C:Like why you would maybe go down that track.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's the rules, right?
Speaker C:You gotta have a sin, you gotta have a monster.
Speaker C:And then a location.
Speaker C:Monster and location are easy.
Speaker C:What's the.
Speaker C:What's the.
Speaker B:She says things like, a stern and vengeful God who calls for blood.
Speaker B:The bill is due, she says.
Speaker B:So I think she's getting some indication that, yeah, this town has run up a deficit and now it's time to pay kind of thing.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Which we are not necessarily on board with, but told about or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Except for this idea.
Speaker B:Well, I got my own stuff to worry about, you know, the retrieval of the shotgun, 300 foot of rope.
Speaker B:The lawyer and his followers strike out all Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So the lawyer, the neighbor wants to leave, and he takes a bunch with him and they leave.
Speaker B:And we don't.
Speaker B:Now, at the end of the movie, I tried to think back.
Speaker B:We don't ever find out what happens to these.
Speaker B:They just disappear.
Speaker C:We don't know if they made it or not.
Speaker B:Made it or not, they certainly weren't killed.
Speaker B:Like we saw others as they walked out the door.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:And they're not in that.
Speaker C:They're not in the truck.
Speaker B:Not in the truck at the end.
Speaker C:You know, but the big tall guy who puts the rope around his waist, he goes with them.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That's not separate.
Speaker C:He goes with him, you know, put the rope on.
Speaker C:Because he tries to get his neighbor to put the rope.
Speaker B:He's going out there to get the shotgun.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:They put a rope around him and they pull the rope back and.
Speaker C:Yeah, but he tries to get his neighbor first, and he's.
Speaker C:Look, I'm not trying to argue with you or whatever, you know, you want to go out, just put this rope on, see how far you get.
Speaker C:And the neighbor says no.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:They get the other guy to do it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:But he goes out, I guess not necessarily with him, but the same time.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:I can't remember.
Speaker C:I guess to me, like, I swear they're at the same time.
Speaker C:I may be wrong.
Speaker B:There probably is.
Speaker C:He doesn't make it, the guy with the rope.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:So I guess always to me, always figured the rest of them didn't either, you know, but it's very ambiguous.
Speaker C:You don't hear screams, you don't see blood.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker D:And it comes back again to the lady that left.
Speaker D:It's ambiguous.
Speaker D:That's resolved.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, kind of set up.
Speaker C:Well, we see these other people dying to go out there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You go out there, you're gonna die, you know, I mean, up to this point, that's what.
Speaker B:Yes, but he doesn't.
Speaker B:We never.
Speaker B:So I don't.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:There's never an answer.
Speaker B:You get an answer for the lady with her.
Speaker C:Because f guy.
Speaker C:But, you know.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah, but if he didn't die and we.
Speaker B:And we don't get any indication that he did, that means he is not part of the.
Speaker B:The sin.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he was an outsider.
Speaker C:So to your point.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If the town is being punished for sin.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Maybe he's not part of it.
Speaker C:If he's an outsider, but he's a dick.
Speaker C:He needs to be punished for something.
Speaker C:Man.
Speaker C:I like to imagine horrible death for this guy.
Speaker D:He's a lawyer to boot.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:A blood sucking lawyer.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I have one of the lawyer in his lot.
Speaker B:I don't think we ever find out.
Speaker C:Yeah, the rope thing was, was cool.
Speaker C:It's one of the, A lot of the cool fun and games.
Speaker C:Jerry's face.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's gruesome and it's gross, but it's like as far as storytelling aspects.
Speaker A:Well, okay.
Speaker C:Really, really cool.
Speaker C:You know, like, like you're waiting for.
Speaker C:This is not gonna go well.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Like, you know that's gonna happen.
Speaker D:That's when they're pulling it back, the rope back, and it starts to get nasty.
Speaker D:I would, I would have dropped the rope.
Speaker C:I thought about that too.
Speaker C:He just keeps doing it and didn't it go up?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, he does that.
Speaker C:I'm like, it was really cool.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, man.
Speaker C:No, he just.
Speaker C:Something really got him, you know, Because.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:So just half, half of his body.
Speaker B:Staying vigilant, keeping watch.
Speaker B:Some kind of large inch, large insect thing on the glass becomes a swarm.
Speaker B:Now that, that did freak my out when I, when they bap, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because they do.
Speaker C:They try to fortify the glass a little bit with dog food and all this stuff prior to the neighbor and them going out, like.
Speaker C:Because they realized very early on that this.
Speaker B:Yeah, the whole wall, the whole wall is plate glass.
Speaker A:And that's what I was talking about.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm expecting something and I've seen it already once, but I was expecting, okay, that's the monster is the octopus looking thing.
Speaker A:But no, here comes these other things.
Speaker C:I like, they do that even better because here's this little bug thing to get you, you know, jump scare and you're thinking, well, okay, those things aren't great looking.
Speaker C:And then a pterodactyl type thing comes.
Speaker B:In and is eating the bugs.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:We got a big problem here.
Speaker C:Deep here.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:A problem of some magnitude.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:I love that line.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Ms.
Speaker B:Carmody sees this as a fulfillment.
Speaker C:A larger creature feeds on locust and.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Attracted the lights, kills, kill the lights.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:She's seeing this as a, a fulfillment.
Speaker B:Sally is stung.
Speaker B:A larger creature gets in, eats a man.
Speaker C:They, they had all these grand plans too.
Speaker C:If something got through the glass because they were had.
Speaker C:They had mops that were going to put on, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They start, they do this, set up.
Speaker C:The lights and none of that work.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then they try to fight him with like the fire.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And one guy gets burned horribly.
Speaker B:But you don't, you don't Fight things with fire in a place you can't get out of.
Speaker B:Like, this is why you don't try to kill zombies with fire.
Speaker B:Because then you just have walking zombies that are on fire.
Speaker D:Walking Molotov cock.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker D:Well, they said they.
Speaker D:They did that in Game of Thrones.
Speaker D:They're like, why don't we do this?
Speaker D:He goes, you have hundreds of people scared shitless trying to handle fire.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This goes hardly problem.
Speaker B:This chaos ensues.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:They nearly burn themselves right to the ground.
Speaker C:But unfortunately, there's a big talk about the lights.
Speaker C:You want these lights on, Mr.
Speaker C:Drayton, or you want them off?
Speaker C:And they can't seem to decide.
Speaker C:Then the bugs are attracted to the fucking lights.
Speaker C:Comedy of errors in a horror movie.
Speaker B:Now, this is when the sort of arc of Ms.
Speaker B:Carmody starts to turn because this stinger bug gets in and it lands on her.
Speaker B:And she prays and she.
Speaker B:I think she actually says a word for learn.
Speaker B:My life for you.
Speaker B:My life for you.
Speaker B:Now, where have we heard that trash can man from.
Speaker B:From the stand.
Speaker B:My life for you.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:My life for you.
Speaker B:Your will be done.
Speaker B:And the bug does not bite her.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:At this point.
Speaker B:So at that point in the story, she's vindicated.
Speaker B:The bug is because the bug just had stung Sally and killed her.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And the bug lands on her is, you know, on her.
Speaker B:And she prays and the bug flies away right after her.
Speaker C:That's why, you know, ants bite some people.
Speaker C:They don't bite others.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:They like the sweet.
Speaker C:You know, Sally was sweet.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:No, but no, I'm with you.
Speaker C:Like, obviously, that's a.
Speaker C:That's a big scene in a point.
Speaker C:It means something.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The bug didn't bite her.
Speaker C:We're all hoping.
Speaker C:Yeah, bite that bitch.
Speaker C:And then it doesn't.
Speaker B:And it doesn't.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker A:And you start thinking, oh, maybe she's on.
Speaker B:Yeah, this town has got some.
Speaker B:A darkness and.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:At which point I bring.
Speaker B:I have us to the midpoint.
Speaker B:And I'm calling it a false victory.
Speaker C:Because before the pharmacy, all of this, like the.
Speaker C:The chaos ensues and then breaking through the glass.
Speaker C:And that's your.
Speaker C:Your midpoint.
Speaker B:Is the.
Speaker B:Is the pharmacy after this or the pharmacy?
Speaker C:Because they go to the pharmacy to get to medicine for the guy that.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess I have my midpoint.
Speaker B:False victory before the pharmacy.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I was torn.
Speaker C:I went back and forth.
Speaker C:Part of me said it was after the pharmacy because they.
Speaker B:For.
Speaker C:That's the first time the main characters venture out in the missions, like a failure, they, you know, they end up coming back more messed up than they sure they were.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:And they even, like, comes back and just falls asleep.
Speaker C:Like, I feel like there's a big transition there.
Speaker C:Like, when he wakes up, it's bad guys close in because she's gotten more followers and stuff.
Speaker C:And, I mean, again, I went back and forth.
Speaker C:My instinct was where you're at.
Speaker C:And then I changed it just to.
Speaker B:Well, I call it a false fix they have.
Speaker B:They actually drive the creatures from the store.
Speaker C:They do.
Speaker B:They almost burn it down, but they do get them out.
Speaker C:Oh, yes.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I see.
Speaker C:I had it as a false defeat because they had it fortified and it didn't go as planned.
Speaker C:I got burned.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, but they do.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker C:They do drive them out.
Speaker B:They drive out the creatures from the store, and then I have the.
Speaker B:The bad guys close in as.
Speaker B:As the burn victim.
Speaker B:Joe is in such pain he wants to die.
Speaker B:He basically is begging for suicide.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The old woman, hattie, I guess, OD's and Carmody is gathering her flock and a sacrifice will probably be demanded.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Because I guess I have it.
Speaker C:We can talk about it when we get there, but I have it as a false victory when they get out of the store down the road.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Something's interesting to me, and I think it just kind of speaks to the times, I guess I'm really obvious.
Speaker C:Really enjoying watching movies with my.
Speaker C:With my son that he hasn't seen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:When the two brothers are the ones like the guys on fire and he's like, kill me.
Speaker C:And all of the.
Speaker C:One guy's crying.
Speaker C:I don't guess either Leith missed it or it wasn't obvious that they were brothers, so he thought they were gay.
Speaker C:Oh, like just their relationship.
Speaker B:Yeah, I didn't think they were.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't even sense at the time.
Speaker C:Just that, you know, it's more acceptable than it.
Speaker C:You know, every year it becomes more acceptable.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You know, homosexuality.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:That he would have jumped to that conclusion.
Speaker B:We wouldn't have.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Carmody is gathering her flock and she starts talking about pride and hubris.
Speaker B:And so I have this, our pride and humorous mentioned as possible sins also of this town, you know?
Speaker B:Sounds of the creatures in the mist on the way to the pharmacy.
Speaker B:Sounds in the pharmacy.
Speaker B:The spiders have been active.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:And then the soldier.
Speaker B:It's all our fault.
Speaker B:It's all our fault.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I Have all this as under the bad guys close in.
Speaker B:But again, we're not necessarily told what these sins are, but we're sort of given.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I feel like the only admitting of any sins is the Arrowhead Project and the soldiers.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Because the one guys hang themselves here in a bit.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:And then this guy saying, you know, it's all our fault.
Speaker C:And then he has this horrible, horrible death with.
Speaker C:Oh, my God, many spiders inside of him.
Speaker C:Yeah, those fucking spiders.
Speaker C:Mean, out of all the creatures on there, those.
Speaker C:Those guys are the worst.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Even the webbing is like, you know, burn gins.
Speaker B:It's acid.
Speaker B:Yeah, Acid web.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:James is asleep by this point in the movie and.
Speaker D:Oh, I'm.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I just think.
Speaker B:I just think that there.
Speaker B:It's never explicit, but I think at this point Carmody is.
Speaker B:Is on the rise as far as.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Being.
Speaker B:Being the one who's.
Speaker C:No, because the William Settler's character, you know, at one point he's, you know, your.
Speaker C:Your tongue must be hung in the middle so it can waggle at both ends and talk about how she's full of shit.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And then here in a bit, when they get back from the.
Speaker C:From the farm, he's part of her culture.
Speaker C:Expiation or anything, you know, he.
Speaker B:He has seen enough, you know, so all is lost to have is a false defeat.
Speaker B:Spiders, acid Web.
Speaker B:Carmody still at work, preaching.
Speaker B:And then I think here she starts talking about an expiation sacrifice.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dan does not want to.
Speaker B:Dan does not want to leave now, but he may want to reconsider this.
Speaker B:As the fervor rises, the two remaining.
Speaker C:David doesn't want to leave.
Speaker B:Yeah, Did I read Dan?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:David doesn't leave because Ollie.
Speaker C:Ollie's the one that tells him, you may want to reconsider.
Speaker C:Look at what we got going on over here.
Speaker C:While you were sleeping.
Speaker C:She got, you know, right.
Speaker C:And Mordor flock.
Speaker D:Dan is one of the other guys.
Speaker D:You didn't write an incorrect name.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker B:Just one of the other guys.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:David's Thomas Shane, and then Dan's the walking dead guy.
Speaker B:I got you questioning the soldier.
Speaker B:What is really going on?
Speaker B:The two remaining soldiers kill themselves.
Speaker B:And then, of course, we learn more about the Arrowhead Project.
Speaker B:Right, okay, so I don't know if she says this Carmody, what.
Speaker B:What brought down the wrath of God?
Speaker B:Maybe that's my question.
Speaker B:Other dimensions, other worlds all around us.
Speaker B:A window to the other side.
Speaker B:The scientists.
Speaker B:The other world came through to ours.
Speaker B:Carmody is seeing this as judgment.
Speaker B:The soldiers see it as them opening the other door, but Carmody sees all this as the wrath.
Speaker C:Yeah, because they sacrifice the soldier, the one that's left, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:At this point, I have this as the dark night of the soul the soldier sacrificed.
Speaker B:Feed him to the beast.
Speaker C:Yeah, they just throw him outside.
Speaker B:The beast feeds.
Speaker C:Well, he gets stabbed and then thrown outside.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:The butcher guy stabs him, feed him.
Speaker B:So this is why I'm talking about King's Old Testament God.
Speaker B:Because Carmody's right and she has got the truth, but she turns into a, you know, bloodthirsty maniac.
Speaker B:But if this is the Old Testament wrath God you're dealing with, then she's still not wrong, Right.
Speaker C:You know, she's full of shit, man.
Speaker B:I hear you.
Speaker B:In the King's world, though, this town is paying, right?
Speaker B:You know, now this is where it swung for me on this movie.
Speaker B:From hating it to hating it with respect.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:That's a big swing.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:I still hate it, but I understand the choice and I think it's the absolute right choice.
Speaker B:The sun still in the dark night of soul.
Speaker B:The sun says to David, David's son, promise you won't let the monsters get me.
Speaker B:Not ever, no matter what.
Speaker B:I promise.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:I think that is the ending at that point.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Is locked in as far as what is.
Speaker C:Because he's not gonna let the monsters outside get him.
Speaker C:And he's not gonna let these monsters, this crazy ass lady inside, following followers get him either.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So if the theme is it only matters if we're safe, the question is, what will you.
Speaker B:What to what extent will you go?
Speaker C:To keep them safe.
Speaker B:To keep them safe.
Speaker B:And will you go as far as David?
Speaker B:Because David was all in at that point on the theme, keeping my family safe, keeping us safe, me and mine, you know?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And he would have killed himself if he had an extra bullet.
Speaker B:I think it's almost judgment on him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:That there was not an extra bullet for him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:To me, everyone talks about the ending like it wouldn't have been the same if he'd had enough bullets.
Speaker C:They're all dead.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And then you see the army roll up and everything safe.
Speaker C:No, no, no.
Speaker C:He had to see.
Speaker B:No, the horror.
Speaker C:Because don't let the monsters get me.
Speaker C:Like he became a fucking monster.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Saving his monsters didn't get his kid, but his kid died.
Speaker C:And most kid died because the monster still got him.
Speaker C:It's just a different kind of monster.
Speaker C:Not the monster in the mirror and all that bullshit.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I mean, his dad went too far.
Speaker C:You know, obviously, you know, but he was.
Speaker B:All that matters is we're safe, and that's all that mattered.
Speaker B:And he went as far as he could to what he thought would ensure that sure.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:And it turned and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, yeah, there's even a big.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:They lose the gun.
Speaker C:The guns on the.
Speaker C:The hood of the car.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And they're all in the car and they all.
Speaker C:They all yell at him because David's trying to reach out and get back and get it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Everybody's yelling, don't get it.
Speaker C:Don't get it.
Speaker C:Like, if he doesn't reach out and get that gun, then the options not even there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's happy ending.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:At least the ambiguous ending.
Speaker C:Hopeful ending we got in the book, you know, because in the book, after they see the big, huge creature.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:They correct me if I miss anything, James.
Speaker C:But what I remember is they see the big, huge creature, and so there's this whole idea of how.
Speaker C:How far is this thing?
Speaker C:The whole world has a miss.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:They drive to the.
Speaker B:Run out of gas.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that.
Speaker C:Creatures way bigger than anything we've seen.
Speaker B:It's still the mess.
Speaker B:They never get out of the mess.
Speaker C:And they just keep driving.
Speaker C:There's, I think, a thing on the radio about a beacon about where they're.
Speaker C:They're trying to get there, but you don't know if they ever make it.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they don't know how far this goes.
Speaker D:They just writing his story down in case somebody found it.
Speaker D:Yeah, in the book.
Speaker C:Yeah, in the book.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So you don't know if they ever made it or not.
Speaker C:But it definitely didn't.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Had this, you know, point that this does about, you know, we're gonna wrap this up, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:No sequel here, right?
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:And they don't like to say they don't know how far the mystic stands, so they think it's the whole world.
Speaker B:There is no escape.
Speaker B:And if I'm gonna keep my family safe, then.
Speaker C:Oh, and it's not just the army, too, I guess.
Speaker C:Important thing on the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The truck or whatever that drives by with the army.
Speaker C:It's the lady from the beginning.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:With her kids.
Speaker C:Out with her kids.
Speaker C:So if you'd helped her, theoretically, I would have lived.
Speaker C:Would have lived.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:How do you not.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And this is not been.
Speaker C:I got my own kid to worry about, lady.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The sin of worrying about yours is over.
Speaker D:Well, the Other.
Speaker D:Other thing.
Speaker D:If you notice they're driving, say, west or.
Speaker D:Yeah, they'd be driving west.
Speaker D:The army comes from behind them.
Speaker D:So they've been running away as the army was catching up.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:So if had they just stayed in place.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I didn't know it had been.
Speaker C:They saved the store, too.
Speaker C:You mean, like, whatever was alive in there?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker C:But you're right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's like.
Speaker D:Yeah, Everybody behind you is being saved.
Speaker D:You keep running until you run out of gas.
Speaker D:Now you killed everybody.
Speaker C:Because, like, that makes it even worse.
Speaker C:So is the solution to stay in the store and deal with psycho lady, right?
Speaker C:And let's just keep feeding sacrifices until the army comes, like, is that the solution?
Speaker C:Because that's shit.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker C:Store, too.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:Would she still demand sacrifices after the soldier?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:Well, that was James.
Speaker C:Are you the one that sent it with that article about the theory behind it about.
Speaker C:She was right?
Speaker C:Because the last sacrifice she demands is Billy.
Speaker C:And he's like, fucking try it.
Speaker C:Then that's when he gets out of there with this kid.
Speaker C:But, oh, yes.
Speaker C:Clears after he kills Billy.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Like, he kills.
Speaker C:One of y' all.
Speaker C:Sent it on the thing.
Speaker C:I didn't, but I read it because I didn't make this up.
Speaker C:I swear.
Speaker B:When he was.
Speaker B:No, that.
Speaker C:It was on our group thing.
Speaker B:But yes, but, yes.
Speaker B:So that's what the sacrifice is saying.
Speaker C:She was right the whole time?
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:What you're saying is because.
Speaker C:Yeah, the sacrifice.
Speaker C:Because the mist clears up now.
Speaker C:Yeah, sure, the Army's doing whatever they're doing, but the mist clears up right after he keeps spilling.
Speaker B:Yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker B:But just.
Speaker B:Yeah, but that.
Speaker D:Well, they.
Speaker D:They kill Ms.
Speaker D:Carmody, correct?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:One of the guys shoots Ms.
Speaker B:Carmody.
Speaker C:All he does, and everybody cheers.
Speaker D:Why didn't they just stay?
Speaker C:Because her whole flock was still after him at that point.
Speaker C:Like, because the one chick that was, like, she was up, like, she was gonna take up.
Speaker C:I always felt like she was gonna take up, even though she didn't have the.
Speaker C:The history of the knowledge.
Speaker C:I guess the Carmody had.
Speaker C:She was, like, really upset that you killed her.
Speaker C:And, like, they were.
Speaker C:It was, like, mob mentality.
Speaker C:I felt like they were.
Speaker C:They were not safe after they killed her.
Speaker D:I don't see this conversation you're talking about, really.
Speaker B:Anyway, maybe you read it.
Speaker B:I didn't send it.
Speaker C:Somebody sent it on the.
Speaker D:But no worries.
Speaker D:But, yeah, it.
Speaker D:I guess I see that after they killed her, it was time to go.
Speaker D:They're gonna take their chances with the monsters outside.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So the break into three.
Speaker B:They leave.
Speaker B:It's dawn.
Speaker B:They move to leave, gathering the team.
Speaker B:Those following Dan storming the castle, trying to get to his car.
Speaker B:The sg, they wind up getting in a Jeep or whatever.
Speaker B:Hightower surprise.
Speaker B:Carmody throws a wrench in the plan.
Speaker B:It throws.
Speaker B:It's not God's plan.
Speaker B:They must be sacrificed.
Speaker B:The boy is demanded.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:She is demanding, you know, I guess David's son.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:They.
Speaker D:I don't know if they mentioned the movie or maybe in the book or maybe I just thought, inferred it that she knew they were leaving.
Speaker D:Ali had packed groceries under the register.
Speaker D:They could grab them as they were leaving.
Speaker D:Harmony was on top of them, knew the whole thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So I don't know if it was like Divine Sight or.
Speaker D:Because, you know, in Stephen King books, people got the Shining, people got all kinds of stuff.
Speaker D:I didn't know if she noticed, but either way, she tried to stop him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that's when things went sideways.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Executing the new plan, Carmody is killed by Ollie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They run to the car.
Speaker B:Ollie is taken.
Speaker B:So in the process, Ollie is taken, another is taken, a third and fourth are lost.
Speaker B:Dan and four others make the car and retrieve the gun.
Speaker B:They drive away.
Speaker B:Those in the store watch them go.
Speaker B:Getting back home, Dan finds his wife in the webs.
Speaker B:The front window broken, has let them in.
Speaker B:David at that point, is shattered himself, broken down.
Speaker B:Somebody says, maybe we'll get clear of the mist.
Speaker D:You know, I.
Speaker D:I think in the book, it shows it in the movie as well, but she was gonna hang out, garden.
Speaker D:The wife was gonna stay at the house and garden.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And as he turns around to look at her, the mist was coming across the lake behind her.
Speaker D:So they find her in the garden, all webbed up.
Speaker D:In the movie, I.
Speaker D:I don't think she ever knew what hit her.
Speaker D:Honestly, that.
Speaker D:That's what I inferred, but in the.
Speaker C:Yeah, I found it.
Speaker C:Sherry had sent it an article about the ending of the.
Speaker C:The Mist, and I read that one, so.
Speaker A:All right, maybe I was trying to forget.
Speaker C:I don't remember who it was, but.
Speaker D:July.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, it was a while.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Just so everyone knows, you know, it was crazy, but not that great, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But in the book on this, for regards to the wife, I don't think he goes back to the Right.
Speaker D:No, they don't Go back in the book.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You don't know what happened to the wife.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker D:They do.
Speaker D:He says, basically, the tree.
Speaker D:The storm had knocked over trees across their driveway, and because of the mist, they couldn't see.
Speaker D:He tells the son, hey, we're gonna go back, but we can't go down that way.
Speaker D:So they don't go to the house, but they go back, buy the house.
Speaker D:In the book.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In the movie, he.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:He sees all his loss.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:She's in the garden wrapped up and.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's interesting.
Speaker C:In the book, he.
Speaker C:He sleeps with the.
Speaker C:With Amanda or whatever in the store.
Speaker C:Like, he actually, you know, I guess cheats on his wife with the.
Speaker C:The other chick.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So again, more sin, right?
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:And there were.
Speaker C:And they admitted that obviously, in the movie, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I don't know if it was implied that that was an.
Speaker D:An ongoing relationship.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't remember.
Speaker D:But again, taking it back to the sin and all that, I'm sure every character in that building.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Has.
Speaker B:Has some dark.
Speaker B:Because this is clearly being portrayed as.
Speaker B:As a judgment and a wrath the bill has come to.
Speaker D:And that's a Stephen King.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Thing.
Speaker D:World building is very good.
Speaker B:Yeah, He.
Speaker B:He has these crazy characters and like.
Speaker B:Like I said, he likes the Old Testament wrath guy.
Speaker B:The biggest bad.
Speaker B:So maybe we'll get clear of the mist.
Speaker B:Maybe the biggest bad crosses the road yet.
Speaker B:Is this the new reality?
Speaker B:They think this the whole world.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He remembers his promise.
Speaker B:Don't let the monsters get me, no matter what.
Speaker B:The gas runs out, and they're still in the mist.
Speaker B:Some.
Speaker B:Well, we gave it a good shot.
Speaker B:The old guy in the backseat, I think, says that.
Speaker B:Or they hear the monsters and.
Speaker B:An impossible choice.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, this is why I said the thematic question.
Speaker B:Safe at all.
Speaker B:If safe is all that matters, what length will you go to keep your people safe?
Speaker B:And unfortunately, he goes as far as he can and then, you know, descending.
Speaker C:And it's interesting, like, I don't remember.
Speaker C:Like, you hear some monster noises when they're in the car, when they're having this, you know, this discussion.
Speaker C:A lot of it's their looks and stuff about, you know, should we commit suicide?
Speaker C:Basically.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then when he gets out, because he's like, all right, I'm all out of bullets, and I love how you dry fires and all that stuff.
Speaker C:Even though he knows it's empty.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I thought it was very.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:Oh, you know, knowing it's empty.
Speaker B:But he Just.
Speaker B:He wants to die so bad.
Speaker C:So then he gets out and he's.
Speaker B:Like, oh, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker C:Hear the noises?
Speaker C:Those noises are the flamethrowers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know that from the.
Speaker C:The army that's coming to save them.
Speaker C:So I wonder if.
Speaker C:Could they hear those in the car, too?
Speaker C:Like, they're.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, they were not assuming that there was any rescue.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the trucks roll by, and the woman with her kids is staring down and.
Speaker C:Yeah, he had waited five minutes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But I understand that ending, and I think it's the appropriate one based on the question that is raised.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:What length will you go to, you know, to keep your people safe?
Speaker B:Will.
Speaker B:You know, and in this impossible situation.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I mean, I can't obviously, you know, pick this movie, and I love this movie.
Speaker C:I really do.
Speaker C:And like, you all talked about, you don't like it.
Speaker C:And be honest, that's one of the reasons I picked it up, is because y' all said y' all didn't like it because I wanted not to put you through hell, but to have.
Speaker C:I guess I've been a little worried about if we all pick movies that we love and we just go wrong.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:It's great movie.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:It was great movie.
Speaker C:Makes for a more interesting podcast if we have disagreements about stuff.
Speaker B:Well, my mind was changed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But I was gonna say I.
Speaker C:Even.
Speaker C:Even though the endings shot in the nuts and it's terrible.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's still, like, I guess I can watch it, knowing that's coming.
Speaker C:But I can't say that I had analyzed it the way that you did this time and realized, oh, that's what they deserve in the sin.
Speaker C:I hadn't put all that thought into it.
Speaker B:Well, even beyond what they deserve.
Speaker C:And I'm okay with it, you know.
Speaker B:But any other ending would have been untrue to the question they ask.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And felt like a, you know, a cushion almost.
Speaker B:Okay, well, what length will you go to keep your people safe?
Speaker B:Oh, you'll drive out of town.
Speaker B:Well, okay.
Speaker B:Well, who wouldn't do that?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:But would you put four bullets and people sitting right next to you.
Speaker C:Your kid first.
Speaker B:Kid first.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, well, you don't.
Speaker D:Want the kid to see all that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And the kid asked him, don't let them get me, no matter what, you know, and then Tom.
Speaker B:And in David's mind, he's doing his kid a favor by not letting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But Even the.
Speaker C:The betrayal in the kid's face when he sees dad's holding the gun on me like that, you know, it's.
Speaker C:I mean, it's not, you know, didn't have to last long.
Speaker C:They shoot some, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, I don't know.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:To me, the.
Speaker C:One of the interesting aspects is that he.
Speaker C:Yes, in his mind he's holding, keeping the promise, but he's like 100%, like so dedicated to that that he's overlooking the fact that you're becoming a monster.
Speaker C:Only a monsters kill their own fucking kids, you know.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But at that point, that's a lesser.
Speaker C:Evil and everything else is going on.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:So, you know, McKee and some others will say, you know, that in a scene you have choices.
Speaker B:Either two irreconcilable goods or two or the lesser of two evils.
Speaker B:If you give a character a choice between something really good and something really bad, well, that's.
Speaker C:They're gonna choose good every time.
Speaker B:They're gonna choose good every time.
Speaker C:Who wouldn't?
Speaker B:So two irreconcilable goods.
Speaker B:It'll be good for me, but bad for you.
Speaker B:Or I can do something that's good for you and bad for me.
Speaker B:Or I got two shit choices here.
Speaker B:Let my kid be eaten alive by a monster after he said, please don't let them get me.
Speaker C:Or a shoot them.
Speaker B:Or a shoot them.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And so I think that is, at that point, I respect the story much more than if they had fudged it with letting them off.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You see, I'm saying.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Even though it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Even though it sucks.
Speaker B:I think that is absolutely the correct choice, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're going to choose the perfect choice.
Speaker B:Oh, a million dollars.
Speaker B:Or you have to work in the salt mine.
Speaker B:Oh, well, you know.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think at that point, the writing is spot on.
Speaker B:And any other ending would have been a cheat, I feel.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So at that point I took on new respect for this movie, even though.
Speaker A:Thankfully, we've never been put in that situation.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well, that was a Frank Darabont thing.
Speaker D:Again, the book doesn't end that way.
Speaker D:It ends open ended.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And King signed off that he liked it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, I wonder if King.
Speaker B:Because I had to have.
Speaker B:I know he doesn't outline necessarily, but he had to have had various thoughts about this ending.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:And in writing the book.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And made a choice to do it this way.
Speaker C:Maybe held back or something.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Maybe he had some Sort of, you know, something like that or something or some, you know, other shit ending.
Speaker C:Your monster gets them all or something.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he held back.
Speaker C:It's interesting, I like, because.
Speaker C:And he, to me, is not a writer that typically holds back.
Speaker C:Like, if you read Pet Sematary, which was done after this, I believe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think it was 84.
Speaker C:He supposedly wrote that.
Speaker C:And then, you know, looked at it this.
Speaker C:I got a fucking father digging up a dead kid.
Speaker C:This is fucking terrible as far as just how rough it is and how he put it in a drawer.
Speaker C:Like, I can't publish that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Did.
Speaker C:And that's one of the ones out of the stories that I've read that's fucked with me the most.
Speaker B:Sure is.
Speaker C:Like, I remember when I'm reading it and he goes to the father's gonna dig up this dead kid.
Speaker C:I'm like, you don't want to do that.
Speaker C:Yeah, okay.
Speaker C:Let's dig this kid up and see what happened.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:You're on board with them, even though it's.
Speaker C:Well, it's not gonna go well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:The cat.
Speaker C:I love a cat that we didn't get along with.
Speaker C:And that cat would jump up on me in the middle of the night when I'm reading this book.
Speaker C:And damn cat.
Speaker C:And Lathe was young.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, that one.
Speaker D:I loved Pet Sematary.
Speaker D:I didn't see what the whole big deal was about.
Speaker D:I just blew right through it.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:That one messed with me.
Speaker C:That and the.
Speaker C:This one, I think why I like it.
Speaker C:One of the reasons I like it so much is just.
Speaker C:Yeah, it just messed with me.
Speaker C:And to your point, put me in that situation.
Speaker C:What would I do if I was in a store?
Speaker C:And it had to have been, like, soon after I went to City Market in Burleson, and the whole front looks.
Speaker B:Almost exactly like glass.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I think that from there I was like, holy shit, this could be City Market.
Speaker C:I could have missed right now.
Speaker D:That's where King said he got that idea from being in a supermarket and seeing all the glass in the front.
Speaker C:Buy some milk one day.
Speaker C:And went, huh?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, well.
Speaker B:And, you know, writing gurus will say, you don't want to tell the story about an average day of a character.
Speaker B:You want to tell the story about the worst day in that character's life.
Speaker C:Or the most important day or the.
Speaker B:Most important or whatever.
Speaker B:And so in some sense, if you're writing a story like this and you say, you know, nothing matters except that we're safe.
Speaker B:And you don't carry that to an extreme end.
Speaker B:You're not.
Speaker B:You're not doing your job.
Speaker B:You're not going far enough, and you're not showing enough courage maybe, to really answer your own question in the way.
Speaker B:In the most extreme way.
Speaker B:Because if you don't put them in the extreme circumstances and they have an easier out.
Speaker B:Because one of the other tenets is the character will, like a human being, will always take the path of least resistance.
Speaker B:So John McClane and Die Hard doesn't immediately start blasting.
Speaker B:He runs up, he pulls a firearm, and he waits.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:He's gonna do the simplest thing he can to solve the problem.
Speaker B:And a character in real life will do that.
Speaker B:Why would I work 10 times harder if I can solve it this way?
Speaker B:So if you allow the character to solve it that way, you're cheating.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's got to ring true to reality.
Speaker B:Yeah, to reality.
Speaker B:And so the writer doesn't let John McClane pull the fire alarm and end the movie and this.
Speaker B:And, you know, the writer of Stephen King or the screenwriter wouldn't allow David to do this and solve the problem.
Speaker C:You can't just kill Ms.
Speaker C:Carmody and then drive and make it out to your Jeep and then drive away and they get clear of the mist.
Speaker B:Now, in the book, there's some indication that it was ambiguous, right?
Speaker B:That they.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, they definitely weren't clear of it, though.
Speaker D:No, he was writing it down because he wasn't sure that he was gonna make it.
Speaker D:He just wanted the story to be out there in case he couldn't tell it.
Speaker B:I think ambiguous is the next best option.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you're, you know, unless you're just wanting to see them, which.
Speaker B:If you just had them eaten, I think that's almost a.
Speaker B:Okay, that's a.
Speaker B:You know, that's anticlimactic.
Speaker B:Almost, in my opinion.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I wanted them all to get out, make it to safety.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The alternative would be for them to have learned their lesson and be given another chance, which is an upending.
Speaker B:Yeah, I sort of have a rule like.
Speaker B:Like, if you go to the movies and you watch a movie and you feel worse when you come out, then you went in, the writer hasn't done you any favors because you felt originally.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:A writer's job.
Speaker B:I, like.
Speaker B:I go to movies.
Speaker B:I want to escape for a couple hours, and I want to feel better when I came out.
Speaker B:You don't with this movie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But, you know, you've always been.
Speaker C:Been big on comeuppance.
Speaker C:Like if somebody does something terrible, they, you know.
Speaker B:Sure, Absolutely.
Speaker C:Kill John Wick's dog, you better get thousand bullets in.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I think had we known more about the town sin, we might have felt.
Speaker B:But I think they held back because they didn't want us to feel like they got what they deserved.
Speaker B:They wanted us to be shocked.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:You know, maybe there's some sin, but.
Speaker C:This is still pretty gotta like David.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If you reveal he's got this dark secret, he's an asshole or whatever, or pedophile or whatever the stupid thing is, then ye.
Speaker C:Also now you don't care for him and you want him to get eaten by a monster.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:It doesn't work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now we can like David because we, you know, we live next door to our neighbors, but we don't know anything about him.
Speaker B:Any dark shit that they got in their basement.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know, but we see him on a daily basis.
Speaker B:And what they always say about serial killers and mass murders living.
Speaker B:He was a quiet guy.
Speaker B:Always said hi, you know.
Speaker B:Okay, well, so we may like David, but there's something was going on with this town that Carmody knew and that King is trying to say monster in the house.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:And this is wrath and judgment.
Speaker C:You know, you don't.
Speaker C:You don't think it's just caring about yours more than over the price of other people?
Speaker C:You know, I think that kids worry about.
Speaker B:I think that is part of it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That this town, if that's how they operate, then they've done some things.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay, fair enough.
Speaker B:To only take care of themselves when.
Speaker C:They could have me and mine first.
Speaker B:This is not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is not the first time that he would have said no to a lady wanting to help with her or.
Speaker B:Or the town or whatever.
Speaker D:Well, obviously.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I guess that kind of goes back to the first beef with the neighbor.
Speaker D:There was bad blood all through there.
Speaker D:And I guess kind of looking through that, maybe he was the local.
Speaker D:This guy's the outsider.
Speaker D:We're gonna push him around because he's an outsider.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe they didn't welcome him in.
Speaker B:Maybe there's something.
Speaker B:What was the real beef between these two?
Speaker B:I'm not sure we find out.
Speaker B:But I think that because Carmody is vindicated with the way the monsters treat her and this kind of thing at that point.
Speaker C:And I think because the creatures don't ever get her, the other guys do.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:They kill her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now, does she get a little crazy with the sacrifice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But in this world, with this type of judgment and this type of God that she's dealing with, if that's the God of this world.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:And the argument sacrifice is demanded.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker C:And it clears up after the show, Billy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is, you know, still a horrific world.
Speaker D:So Carmody was right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Sacrifice the boy.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess everything's good now.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker B:In our world, is.
Speaker B:Is that something we'd want to do?
Speaker B:No, but in this story world, this horror story world, that is, you know, because she is vindicated when.
Speaker B:When she prays and that monster doesn't get her.
Speaker B:I'm like, okay, this is the world that has been created, and these are the rules of that world.
Speaker C:Just didn't bathe or something, man.
Speaker C:And that bug could smell it and.
Speaker B:Sure, sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, you're.
Speaker D:It was her lotion.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:She had on.
Speaker B:Off deep.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:Signature smell, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So initially, I guess, past consider recommend.
Speaker B:Initially, I would have passed on this because of the ending and how and the gut punch that it is.
Speaker B:But if you look at it closely and if you have any sense of the writing at all and what is required in a good story when you set things up a certain way, then I think it should almost be held up as an example of good writing in the sense of honest, real hard consequences and not pulling back, because the tendency is to pull back and not.
Speaker B:And I think maybe King had that sense to pull back from the real horror and the real choice that has to be made or showing the real choice based on the horrific world you've set up.
Speaker B:And I think they.
Speaker B:So I think they made the right choice in that sense.
Speaker B:And I would recommend it as a study of writing, and I would recommend it as a truly horrific movie, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's a recommend for me, which is a change from how I initially thought.
Speaker B:So a study like, you know, we say in the beginning, you know, a study at the mechanical level can bring some revelations.
Speaker B:This time it really, really did right for me.
Speaker D:You know, I would give it a consider again, restating it.
Speaker D:Not my favorite one of the Stephen King, Frank Darabont bring togethers movie story thing.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Just still not my favorite.
Speaker B:And it's an acid bath.
Speaker D:I mean, I get everything that.
Speaker D:Everything that you've said really clarifies a lot of things.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I watched it the right way.
Speaker D:I just don't like it.
Speaker B:Don't like it?
Speaker B:No, I.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's.
Speaker D:I watched it and I gave It a solid six.
Speaker D:Five or six watches this past one and I tried to like it every single time and look for something that I liked.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker D:I'm.
Speaker D:No, no, it's just not.
Speaker D:Not doing it for me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:But consider.
Speaker D:Yeah, I would rather watch Shawshank or Green Mile.
Speaker D:Sure, those.
Speaker D:If you want.
Speaker D:If you want the gut punch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:There's a.
Speaker D:Those are different gut punches, but sure, great movies.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, like I said before, Shawshank and Green Mile are better movies, but they're different.
Speaker C:And I guess, you know, like we talked about, like we wanted to pick a horror movie.
Speaker C:So I guess to me, like, comparing to those two wasn't, you know, an option.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I guess.
Speaker C:Yeah, I like this movie.
Speaker C:There's a lot of things I like about it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's weird because to me, because I can fire it up knowing the horrible gut punch that's coming.
Speaker C:And I guess I'm.
Speaker C:I'm okay with it.
Speaker C:Not that I like the ending, obviously.
Speaker C:Yes, it sucks, but I don't know why.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, just like.
Speaker C:It's just like it's all recommended to anyone who.
Speaker C:One for.
Speaker C:Not a lot of movies have the balls to have that kind of ending.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah, most a lot of stuff is, you know, an upending and Yeah, I just think it's a good horror movie with the jump scares and the creatures and just.
Speaker C:I think it's one of those movies that makes you think about, you know, I think when you watch this movie, they go to the supermarket, you're probably gonna think about it, you know, Jaws going back in the water.
Speaker C:You know, I think.
Speaker B:Well, talking about.
Speaker B:As you're talking, I thought of Jaws.
Speaker B:Okay, so Jaws, monster in the house.
Speaker B:The sin of greed and money over the Labor Day weekend over the safety of the people.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But they do that.
Speaker B:And there is a scene where the mayor and who represents the town and represents that greed has a real repentance.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like he.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So there is redemption for that town and redemption from their sin.
Speaker B:But in King's world, there is no redemption.
Speaker B:You're gonna pay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think this could have had an upending had the sin been dealt with like they did in Jaws with the mayor with his hat in his hand coming to Brody, you know, right now he's got.
Speaker B:He is totally on board with the wrong that he did and has repented from it.
Speaker B:There is none of that.
Speaker B:And we don't ever get that beat in this movie because I don't think they ever come to that conclusion or or want to or whatever.
Speaker B:And so their sin remains unrequited.
Speaker B:And so they get what they get.
Speaker B:And this is king in his world, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:This may surprise y' all.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I remember wanting to watch this when we watched it the first time, because anything with fog, mist, whatever, is so scary to me.
Speaker A:Like, I enjoy the movie the Fog.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:You have the unknown because you can't see what's out there.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But I don't like driving in the fog or being in a fog because it's scary.
Speaker A:I mean, so that is a good scary movie.
Speaker A:If you want to watch a good.
Speaker A:If you want to be scared.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yes, watch it.
Speaker A:But I would recommend turning it off when they run out of gas.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's where I would end it now.
Speaker A:And I don't recommend it to anyone who is going through any issues or has, you know, any depression going on, because I'm telling you right now, that ending is really messed up, is terrible.
Speaker A:I listened to a podcast called Real Life Ghost Stories, and she will do a horror movie review at the beginning.
Speaker A:And of course, she doesn't go in as much detail, but this lady was sobbing.
Speaker A:I mean, she was sobbing on the phone, asking some friend of hers, why did they end it that way?
Speaker A:And it is.
Speaker A:It is a very hard ending.
Speaker A:But if you, you know, want to see something scary, I mean, I enjoyed the beginning of it.
Speaker B:Yes, sir.
Speaker B:So consider it.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:I would consider it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's how my life feels.
Speaker C:Likes the movie up to the end.
Speaker A:You know, the end of it is so disturbing thought.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm watching a second time.
Speaker A:I know it's coming.
Speaker A:I know I can handle it.
Speaker A:But so help me, when it gets to it, it is so hard to watch.
Speaker B:Well, there's a.
Speaker A:Beyond hard to watch.
Speaker B:If I remember correctly, there's a.
Speaker B:In one of the later Dark Tower books, just before all the main characters.
Speaker B:And again, a spoiler alert.
Speaker B:In the Dark Tower series, they all get killed, right?
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:And it becomes the gunslinger going up to tower by himself just before.
Speaker B:So there's a scene before that where all the friends, all you, all the band in the Dark Tower are sort of around a campfire, and they're.
Speaker B:They're all together, and they're.
Speaker B:They're alive and healthy and happy.
Speaker B:And Stephen King has an editorial note like.
Speaker B:Like he breaks the wall, I think.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:And he says, okay, dear reader, stop here.
Speaker B:Stop here if you want this.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:You know, because.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:And then knocking his commentary or the notes in the back or something.
Speaker B:He says that, you know, the readers are gonna scream at me and blah, blah, blah, you know, so he actually says, stop here.
Speaker B:And I wish I had.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I couldn't stop when I read that.
Speaker B:No, of course I didn't either.
Speaker C:You gotta keep going.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah, but there's even like.
Speaker C:Because there's other worlds and stuff.
Speaker C:There's even one of the versions where some of the characters are together and they're happy.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure.
Speaker C:Two that fall in love and there's different things.
Speaker C:But to me and you.
Speaker C:And I've talked about this before, but, like, it's not.
Speaker C:It's not the Miss Shit ending.
Speaker C:To me, the Dark Towers, because it's the.
Speaker C:Reveals the whole thing again.
Speaker C:Spoiler alert.
Speaker B:He's done this a bunch of times.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's a loop.
Speaker C:And to me, like, it ends on hope.
Speaker C:Because this time he's gonna get it right.
Speaker C:If he's done it a thousand times, he's gonna get it right this time.
Speaker C:Which to your point about.
Speaker C:Tell the story about the most important day.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Remember, that's exactly what you said before when I made that point.
Speaker C:Well, he's gonna get it right the next time.
Speaker C:And you said, fuck that.
Speaker C:Tell me the story when he gets there.
Speaker B:Well, then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then that should be the story.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Let me know.
Speaker B:He's done this a hundred.
Speaker B:Like in.
Speaker B:In you can let me know.
Speaker C:I did 100 times.
Speaker C:But this still be the right one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The Matrix, right.
Speaker B:That you find out that Neo's done this a bunch of times.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:But yeah.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, I don't know.
Speaker C:As opposed to ending.
Speaker C:And he never, you know, the last time he tries it, you know.
Speaker C:But I don't know.
Speaker C:I do want to read them again.
Speaker C:I haven't.
Speaker C:So I'm curious to see.
Speaker B:Well, that's.
Speaker C:I read them again.
Speaker C:How I feel.
Speaker B:And that's the out for the Dark tower movie with McConaughey.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because I.
Speaker B:I wanted them to tell the story that I read in the books.
Speaker B:I wanted to see the visualization of that.
Speaker B:And it's a different story.
Speaker B:I mean, it's different than the books.
Speaker B:It's not like the book.
Speaker B:So I was disappointed.
Speaker B:But then they say, well, this happened so many times.
Speaker B:This is just a telling of one of those times.
Speaker B:And it's not like the book, because it's a different time that he did it.
Speaker B:And that's their out.
Speaker B:And I understand that.
Speaker B:But you tell me Dark Tower, I'm thinking the books, not some other time that isn't One of the books.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:It happened a thousand times, so.
Speaker B:But I only have this one time.
Speaker B:And now you're.
Speaker C:One time.
Speaker C:Stephen King was writing the Dark Tower and he farted.
Speaker C:That was better than that shit movie that gave us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That was terrible.
Speaker B:And that's why that's not a franchise.
Speaker B:That should have been a franchise drawing of the three and all wolves of the color.
Speaker B:All that should have been filmed.
Speaker B:I should have a box.
Speaker B:I have a box set of Harry Potter.
Speaker B:I don't want that.
Speaker B:I want the box set of freaking Dark Tower, you know, with all those, you know, well done.
Speaker C:It's interesting that you still want that and want to see that, even though the book.
Speaker C:The way it ended or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, yeah, I'd want to anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Any movie that makes you feel worse when you come out, I think is.
Speaker B:Is a disservice.
Speaker B:Although the choice was the right one, you know, but anyway.
Speaker C:Which I think happens a lot of horror movies too.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You feel, I guess, worse coming out.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:A lot of, if anything, more than like, horror movies probably have more of the endings than.
Speaker C:Than other.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, not very many rom coms are gonna.
Speaker C:You're gonna come out feeling that way.
Speaker C:Even action movies, it's gonna be the guy, you know, the hero's gonna get.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And in horror movies, typically, you're not, you know, the characters you're not meant to align with or fall in love with.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So you don't care.
Speaker B:They're their body pieces or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:You know, and you're there for the thrills and the laughs and the jump scares.
Speaker B:But if you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you make me care about.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And, but, but in this movie, I think the right choice was made, even though I.
Speaker B:I don't like these kind of endings, you know?
Speaker B:Know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Him screaming at the end.
Speaker A:That's what I think.
Speaker B:I think Jane sold that.
Speaker B:I think he.
Speaker B:I think that was like.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I could feel his.
Speaker B:His total.
Speaker B:He, He.
Speaker B:His mind is splintered.
Speaker B:He will never.
Speaker B:He eventually is going to kill himself.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:At some point.
Speaker B:There's no.
Speaker B:I don't know how you recover from that.
Speaker D:Just run over to the army guys, grab the flamethrower, you know, run in front of the flamethrowers.
Speaker B:Unless he just becomes so, you know, out of it that he can't even have the capability of thought to kill.
Speaker C:Himself or he's the half man in the mistake.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:The mist too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:This time he goes to the west coast.
Speaker D:Explosions.
Speaker C:Yeah, all right.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker B:Good deal.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Any thoughts?
Speaker D:Yeah, I still don't.
Speaker D:I don't feel any different about this movie.
Speaker B:No, it's.
Speaker A:Well, like I said, the moral of the story to me is wait five minutes before you do anything, you know, drastic.
Speaker B:Yeah, good advice.
Speaker A:Five minutes.
Speaker A:Because I was so angry at the end, I was screaming, five minutes.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they had no conception of that.
Speaker A:I understand.
Speaker A:I understand.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Anyway, good pick, Chris.
Speaker C:Sounds like it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, no, it was a revelation as far as the writing.
Speaker B:All right, all right, we're out.
Speaker C:We're out, people.
Speaker D:Scared shitless trying to handle fire.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because I'm going to talk about the end of it.
Speaker D:My feelings on it have not changed.
Speaker B:Something in the mist.
Speaker B:Something in the mist.
Speaker C:Expiation.
Speaker C:You still think it's cheesy, James?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's not the only part in the movie that rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker D:We'll get to bugs.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:I like it.
Speaker B:We're in deep shit here.
Speaker A:I actually enjoyed everything up to the ending.
Speaker C:That's important, though.
Speaker C:You're gonna want a beer after that.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:It appears we may have a problem of some magnitude here.
Speaker A:Like I said, the moral of the story to me is wait five minutes before you do anything, you know, drastic.
