THE SHINING

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show are you recording this

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studying a movie in the mechanical level I really bring some revelation [Music]

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I believe that no one sets up to make a bad movie with the exception of

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on paper this should work I just don't like it that's your own fault if you haven't

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seen it way over budget they start cutting scenes

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even the actors don't know what that movie is about should I I wish I wrote that

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which I wrote the title with that movie's trash [Music] well tell me a man it's good for you all

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right now let's trip with the reel four of us sitting around talking about movies this is The Shining not Stephen

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King's shining Stanley kubricks The Shining completely different completely

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different uh who picked this one who's picked was this I picked that was Sherry's pick all right and you sure you prefer this one

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over I guess uh Stephen King's shining no no why'd you pick this one then because I wanted to talk about it all

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right this was a theatrical release I don't think that one was not a theatrical release was it no do we do we

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have that rules of stipulation or I didn't think about you you said it just now well the thing is with and I brought I

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brought the movie cases out so I could yeah yeah no okay I'm talking about Stephen King's The Shining is basically

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three movies put together it's a mini series for TV yeah it was a made for TV but it's more faithful to his book as

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well correct from what I understand I didn't read the book I guess y'all haven't seen that yeah

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it's funny I've read the book but we haven't seen that have you done both Phil no I think we can talk about it because I've watched this several times

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nice and we can talk about well the fact is that it's got his name on it Stephen

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King's The Shining he wanted to differentiate differentiated he wrote the screenplay yeah so that he's saying

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this is not Kubrick or whatever yeah got to be Facebook right he did both yeah it's got to be faithful I would think

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yeah we can talk about it I'm sure there's some differences but well I I wanted to watch Stephen King's

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The Shining because I knew y'all had read the book or you were listening to it and and of course you can see my fingers on

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um Chris and James have read or listened to did you read it or listen to this

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time I listened to it but I've you've read it okay this would have probably been my fourth or fifth time reading it

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slash listening to it it's not I've only read it once okay um I've never read it it's a great it's a fantastic book yeah

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it's good it's not my favorite actually Stacy uh had me look this up the other day because she asked me hey what's

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ismos uh you know best-selling book ever I have no idea like and I was thinking like guessing like maybe it maybe stay

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in right it's this it's The Shining that's his number one seller and apparently he was really young when he

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wrote it because he came out like 74 I think so yeah he was early in his career but and he too had a small child at the

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time he wrote it so yeah I think it to me like I'm a huge

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im until way later until like: 2003

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think like I think I said this before maybe like serving the dark Towers first and then went back and started devouring all of his horror stuff like I know who

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he was but he was the the horror guy like I didn't give him much thought but I do think it's interesting like his

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first like Cujo uh other than the stand like his first couple of books Cujo Carrie The Shining like they're all okay

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to me like they're way on the list as far way down on the list as far as favorites to me so I wonder if like had

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I been you know older and like picked them up when they came out like would I have like dropped Stephen King because

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you're not like you you read a new author if their first book doesn't blow you away chances of you picking up the next one are kind of slim so it's very

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interesting to me that you know well I think he's gotten more sophisticated like you know he's really bigger hopefully mean dog mean car yeah you

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know okay right right well the one I refused but he's got more sophisticated obviously uh well I like

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the mean car one I like Christine yeah I like Christine the one uh the movie I tried watching Carrie I couldn't get

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past the few first few minutes so I know I would never read any of that but not

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that I didn't like them they were they were good books but like he's got others that like are great yeah and then these weren't great to me yeah that's just

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interesting but like doctor sleep for example oh like that way better than than the Than The Shining than the first

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one but you couldn't have that without the first one right right have you seen Dr sleep I'm not it's an excellent

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sequel to The this movie yeah it's Danny right he looks both I feel it's really good like both I feel like it's a good sequel like a good adaptation of the

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book yes but it's faced obviously it's a movie so it has to be faithful to the to the movie well

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um it walks the line in both worlds really well okay I tried to send y'all

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an article I found about doctor sleep Stephen King did approve of that script

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he said that it kind of made up for I guess the shortcomings of yeah of the

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Stanley Kubrick's movie script or whatever so he was okay with it

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but I haven't seen it so I don't know the it's cool from what I understand the the the rift started between Stephen

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King and Stanley Kubrick almost immediately yeah Kubrick picked up The Shining out of a you know a pile of

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books to do a horror movie Kubrick just wanted to do a horror movie yeah pick The Shining and Stephen King and him

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started talking and immediately recognized our two visions are completely Worlds Apart so Kubrick

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basically made an art piece yeah because King had to sign off right like he so he

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just said I bought the rights yeah that's what I'm saying that's what's good at so King was like all right we're on different pages I don't like it but

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I'm gonna take this check yeah right yeah especially because it was what 70 80. yeah

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he had not gone to the stratosphere yet right yeah I don't know this might have been his first like movie adaptation of

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one of his books maybe I mean I mean not I don't know you have that same

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experience you wrote something yeah and then the movie came out a little bit different oh sure yeah sure

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sure so it's basically uh Kubrick in the film company bought the rights from

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Stephen King essentially so it was yeah here's your check take the money yeah no it's a little bit different because I

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guess you know I wrote the script for them based off their ideas opposed to it being we're a king it's solely His came

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from his you know his soul when he wrote the book first not that all writing them from your soul but I mean like it was

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all his like he owned it right he came with everything and then I don't know it was interesting like if you didn't click right away he could have walked away but

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instead he was like I'll take this check whatever it was not I had the power it might have just been yeah hey we're making this so might as well take the

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damn check yeah that's the check or don't we don't care I don't know if this is true I found this on the internet uh

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Carey was the first movie that came out okay before okay and then Salem's Lot oh

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which I watched that that was interesting and then The Shining and then Creep Show that's another one like

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Stacy wrote it uh last year and really really liked it and when I read it I was like like Sam's a lot but I think to me

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because I came on to him so late that like I knew what it was like I knew like

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he hide to me he hides the fact that it's a vampire in the book and I knew that going into it so that ruined it for me and that's just because it's you know

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I read it you know 30 years after it came out or whatever I think the first book I read of his was Cujo and I read

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it because someone said there's a lot more to it than them in the movie and there is there's some strange stuff I

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can't remember the first Stephen King book I read I just I've always been kind of around it and absorbed by my mom read

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it about an uncle that owned them all and like but I never talked to him about it until like not never but like growing up

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like when I was a kid and I remember seeing that like I talked to him years later like after I started reading them but yeah so the Stanley Kubrick version

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yep sorry we got off test everyone yeah oh yeah we did I well

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I don't want to it'll become clear how I feel about this movie but I discovered I always thought I liked this movie

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but you do not and what I like are about four scenes of Jack Nicholson

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yeah no I wanna and we'll get into this but what I discovered was I don't I

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thought I liked this movie and what I discovered is I like about four scenes of Jack Nicholson in this movie uh and

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not even every scene of Jack Nixon just some so uh we'll get into why I think

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this movie doesn't whatever and so it doesn't hit your mark doesn't hit my mark the way I thought it did well what

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about uh the critics movies fans yeah no yeah we need to get into the money money critics fans uh I have the money and

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Craig's I forgot to do the blurb does someone have the blurb or whatever the it's The Shining everybody knows oh I

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can read I want to read go ahead and read it got it okay wonderful Jack Torrance Jack Nicholson becomes

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winter caretaker at the isolated Overlook Hotel in Colorado hoping to

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cure his writer's block he settles in a long he settles in along with his wife Wendy

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who's played by Shelley Duvall and his son Danny played by Danny Lloyd who is

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plagued by psychic premonitions as Jack's writing goes nowhere and Danny's

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Visions become more disturbing Jack discovers the hotel's dark secrets and begins to unravel in a homicidal maniac

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hell-bent on terrorizing his family sounds about right yeah so something I

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thought about and just I guess at one point I was going to talk about it and I don't know when but like I guess I want

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to do it now because uh the way the the wording and that premise Jack's writing goes nowhere right yeah the reason this

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guy's writing goes nowhere to me because he's not a [ __ ] writer like he blames everybody else on all of his stuff and

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his problems particularly his wife yeah well like what did he write he didn't write a damn thing in this movie no like

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he's as a writer like and I get it like if we see him sitting there typing away that's a boring ass movie right so other

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stuff very cool other exciting things have got to happen but like I've seen other movies about writers

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his writing becomes a big reveal it did but I guess I see what you're saying he

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didn't even have any like pages that were like of actual normal stuff right question like yeah what was he writing

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again in this one because like I said I watched Stephen King's The Shining uh last and I know he was writing

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um a play and that what was he writing in was he writing a movie he said it was a

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book A book I thought it was just a novel because he's like I'm outlining a novels what he said at the beginning during the interview in in the novel The

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Shining I think he's writing a book as well but he in the book is like he's a

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professor of literature English or whatever he is a writer but maybe in the movie it was a he was a teacher yeah in

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the movie it's never he just seems kind of like a Down and Out loser a little bit Yeah so he's just teach her in the interview yeah in the movie I thought

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yeah yeah uh but he had become he's five months sober I guess that's

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the same in both anyway sure he makes up we're not going to get into this but every time I hear it I shake my head if

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you're a writer and you think there's such a thing as writer's block then you're full of [ __ ] okay uh because in

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the movie he's like nothing's coming to me yet okay right right okay so while he's sleeping half the day well and

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[ __ ] you know getting up and his wife's making him breath like he was pissing me off man as a but you're right

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if you've got five months no you don't do [ __ ] and and you can't write anything you're not a writer yeah I think you

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said it best once and all right I'm an astronaut then if you're a writer so I've never been in the moon I don't go to [ __ ] you know NASA and training

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and all that but I'm an astronaut if you can't think of an idea take an archetypal character at a standard plot

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uh and and and just run them through the the steps and it'll be a paid by number

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story but at least you'll have something that maybe we'll sure there's no such there is no such thing as writers absolutely ideas are coming to you all

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the time now you know maybe not all these are brilliant ideas but you're always getting ideas for stuff right

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always getting ideas for a character or a story yeah and then yeah maybe it fades in a couple days because it was

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[ __ ] or maybe it's not ready yet you know and part of that comes back to you later when you're able to put that

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character and then the scenario come up with yeah it was really annoying to me that he was right and again that's I guess not the point of the movie

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potentially though on that deal uh with to me like uh Stephen King puts a lot of I think a lot of writers but he puts a

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lot of himself in his stories and yet he was a professor and he was a writer or a teacher yeah Professor but he was a

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teacher and then you know became a writer so I feel like that's probably why that guy had that background yeah Stephen King

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Stephen King is the is the real writer by the way he is writer but he's he's not an artsy writer he's a working day writer he's a nine to five writer means

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he punches the clock and he gets the words sure now he'll be in a store and he'll he'll see plate glass and he'll

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come up with a story for the Miss that's not gonna win the Pulitzer but it scares the [ __ ] out of you but it's a blue

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collar grinded out story and Stephen King doesn't f a round right sure right okay his best books are the longest ones

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sure sure and where his idea for this came from he actually stayed in uh the

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Stanley Hotel in Colorado there is no run with blood Stephen King has never had writer's blocks but Jack Torrance

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does sure yeah because he's you know he's got to write the Great American novel and that's anyway well I think uh

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I don't wanna yeah just looking at it the character of Jack Torrance was wanted to live the life of Jack Kerouac

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and yeah yeah and all that just drink and write the Great American novel yeah well maybe that's his motivation but in

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the movie none of that is stated he's just a guy looking for a job when you first see him I know we're jumping ahead

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a little bit he just looks like a guy that's smiling and grin and I gotta get a job oh for sure feeding lip service

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feeding them what they want to hear so he gets to jump uh there was people killed here sir yep my wife's gonna love it uh you're gonna be up here you know

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months and months at a time nope we're gonna it won't happen to me you know it's like okay dude anyway so

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yeah I think some of the just the the foreboding right in the I promise you that won't happen to me well you're

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watching my you know late looks at me or whatever and goes you know gives you a little side look because he knows all right that's [ __ ] there's there's a

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b this was uh released in the: 1980

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May 23rd domestic it cleared 45 million uh International I guess it wasn't released

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that much what was the budget I'm sorry the budget was uh 19 million 19 and made

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45 animated 19 million yeah domestic 45 International 1 million six so I guess

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it didn't get a lot of domestic release not like it does now and then worldwide 47 total on 19 million budget Tomato

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Meter for critics critics and fans are much kinder to this movie than than I think that deserves Tomato Meter critics

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gave it 82 which means you know obviously 82 percent gave it three stars or higher and then 93 fans give this

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thing the uh three stars are above and I would have up until the time I started

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looking at it closely you know but we'll get into that and I know this

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movie is loved and so if you like it great uh I think it's a mess but we'll get

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into that all right that was it that's podcast that's a review it's a mess and we're done here where's the closing

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music all right uh so this this is obviously okay so Sherry reminded me

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we're gonna do four podcasts we're recording these way before the time you know we got we have them in the pipes by

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the time this comes out it'll be a month six weeks whatever but we're doing four scary movies for Halloween and we plan

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on trying to release those to four weeks in October and so this will be one of

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the releases in October in celebration of Halloween and all things scary so this all four of these movies that

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we'll release most likely will be the genre of monster in the house I think this is a monster in the house

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it I think this one's a house is the monster sure yeah which requires as we

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have said before in other podcasts a monster a house and a sin the monster I

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think we could call call him jack called Grady calling Lloyd you know the influences the haunted hotel whatever

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the house obviously is the Overlook and I was hard-pressed to find the sin of

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this movie so I don't being an [ __ ] yeah well well it's alcoholism it's uh

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abuse mental physical abuse that that's only verbal abuse yeah yeah I I can buy

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off those things those things happened before they ever went to the hotel was the alcohol that late night drink

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obviously not in the movie it's not really stated other than him dislocating yeah yeah well he I think that's a good

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point I I guess I detached from this movie I didn't see it but I think alcoholism is probably the sin because

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there's a scene when he goes in with Lloyd and he goes here's the you know here's the the end of sobriety and all

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the damage it has caused me you know in in again I know back and forth to the

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book in the book the hotel I think the hotel takes him over as soon as he drinks yeah has a drink yeah he's in the

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movie it's very similar I don't know if that's what you're getting at but he's he's very um he's more sympathetic in the book right

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holding way more synthetic words like to me we were talking a little bit in the interview in the interview uh scene

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he's it's all lip service here's a guy needs a job which okay whatever you need a job you're like he's done on his luck that's fine like that didn't necessarily

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rub me the wrong way um and then they cut uh some weird cuts in this movie but they cut to his family introduced them and then they showed

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them in the car and like he's like such an [ __ ] and like he's creepy in the [ __ ] car from like moment one well to

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me and and his you know you've been coming about there's a couple of scenes with Jack um I guess

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I don't know that I like them all but like I watched all of them like couldn't look away because I'm just watching what this guy's gonna do next sorry like like

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he's somebody's having fun at least with this damn movie and I think he was but uh uh but yeah but he's not likable like

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they had so many moments where they could make him likable and because it looks like this was I don't know if it was an interview or if it's in the back

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of the book but I remember Stephen King saying at one point I could make this guy just a straight up regular monster or I could give him more motivation so

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he went with the alcohol you know and being an alcoholic kind of thing and making it more human right yeah and

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that's something everybody can theoretically relate to right yeah I didn't I told chair I was going to I

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didn't look it up I thought I felt like I gave way too much attention to this movie as well so I didn't but I think

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like if you were looking at plot structure yes we're looking at the Beats but I think obviously it's going to be a

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descent plot it's going to be a descent into madness right so agreed yeah you take a character who's an everyday world

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and you you bring him down and that's a descent plot it's by stages you break him down until insanity or whatever it

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is at the end state that is far worse than a negative work not a positive yep yeah right uh yeah he does negative

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change a little better he doesn't become better he becomes worse right right and so I think that's what it is but I think

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I don't I don't think it's uh well he starts out not very likable yeah and that that bothers like I wish

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she'd been especially have from ring from having having read the book yeah he

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was he was definitely more like a boy yeah in the book I'm sure you had said or some maybe you

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mentioned it saying Stephen King I said about Kubrick's movie they took a

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crazy guy and made him crazier whereas Stephen King took a normal guy and made him crazy which I think is far more

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Superior way to go right I mean if he's already crazy it's not much of a nudge yeah and you're not going to be on most

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people aren't going to be on board with this guy like I said he's sitting in the car looking crazy as [ __ ] well well guess what those kids you see that honey

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he saw it on TV just like yeah well they talk about the the daughter party the

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Wendy yes about the Donner party and he was like no I think it's a little far A little farther west or whatever and and

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then Danny asked what the Donner party was and I guess it's explained and and Jack almost Giggles like he's almost a

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little too and I wrote it down a little too titillated about this whole candle cannibalism story he's like smiling and

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laughing I don't know he had the glare I guess that's set up for what was coming but yeah and Danny was like you mean

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they eat eat each other up yeah yeah I mean but think about it just from I don't want to go down this road and

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we've been kind of you know guilty this before but just from a writer's standpoint if they had made him Jack's

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character more maybe maybe it doesn't it doesn't work with her character like if Wendy had tried to

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explain Donner that what the donor party was and then Jack's like no no no we can't do that when he's like neither one

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like she just stayed quiet right and Jack answer but like as a dad and this kid's real young you can explain

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cannibalism and all that [ __ ] like that just that bothered me yeah and but they had a moment there where they could have

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like if he's I don't know don't worry about it look they could have had he could have grown some [ __ ] store you're a writer come up with some

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[ __ ] story where it's like a happy story or somehow right spin it for the kid like if you you take that to the

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with the guy who's running them down with an ax at the end you know what I mean like instead they went with like you said crazy already office rocker and

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then yeah it just gets worse yeah yeah I'm so you're watching this and in my mind I'm thinking in in what world did

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these two ever fall in love and and get together and things like that you're right you know you're right

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um anyway we're talking about Kubrick and so right off I said go out with me or I'm going to chop you up into little pieces and

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she said okay right and I'll never say that again I promise I had

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trouble finding solid structure in this movie and I know Kubrick is Kubrick right okay

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so all you Cooper kids out wiping my brow yeah I struggled as well and I was like all right we'll break up I am not

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as near as enamored by Kubrick as some people are so I have no sympathy for him and I and

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I don't mind this anyway so I was looking for an opening image you said something earlier about him

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what would you call him sir yes I think he's uh well make a great bumper are you

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sure uh opening image I have it's actually a fairly

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interesting camera uh shot the the because I couldn't nail down an

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opening image for Jack or or something defining for any of them but they're the

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camera the movie opens and it's a long shot of a long and Winding Road aerial you know uh isolated and the road is

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twisting and it comes down onto the road and you're almost like in the Viewpoint of the car and then the camera takes a

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sharp left off the road like it like a car veering off the road uh into a

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ravine you know like like a crash the camera tracks and seems to clean and Veer off the road and I thought well

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that is telling us that we're in for a a twisty ride that's going to go off the

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rails I hope that that's what Kubrick was doing because that would be fairly competent

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he probably just runs the camera Yeah well yeah yeah I I feel bad but I missed that I

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guess I don't know why I'm trying to record in my head in the winding road in the opening like in the tracking shot I

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remember all that yeah but the bearing off there's a hard left and it looks like it looks like uh if you were a POV

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in a car going off the road I must have missed it because last night we're talking about the music because

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the music starts in immediately right and just this creepy booming music like and that's one thing I liked I was like

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all right because you're talking about letting the audience know what kind of rides you're going on like this music kicking in right away is letting you know like you know oh yeah all right

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this you know there's gonna be something this this movie is you know is yeah scarier or whatever you know

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he uses this device these and it's been done and it's usually done in uh what

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I've seen um uh guy Richie movies or or or tongue-in-cheek comedies the use of the

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title card to break up sections of the movie and so I I don't remember how many

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of them are like 10 or 12 title cards throughout the movie ninth title card so I'm looking at the end of my notes to

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see but I thought it was like 10th so I'm looking at like 10 10 title cards throughout this movie where it'll say

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yep Fade to Black and it'll say a word and then a scene which I'm fine with usually I like that

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some of these seemed arbitrary uh you stole the word right in my mouth and

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it's actually what I it was coming I'd made the length because as we're getting into this thing like it was a Tuesday

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yeah yeah and then the next one was [ __ ] Saturday wake me up like we hit our four people we have no idea what [ __ ] day it is and what time it is

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right so like what does it matter like they annoyed the hell at me because I just didn't understand like like I mean

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there's other ways to show Bachelors of time and maybe with it's always snowing and Snow's piling up maybe that's only I come up with was we can't keep showing

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snow outside like how do you show passage of time if it always looks the same right but still like it didn't they

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were arbitrary it didn't matter like we had no idea you're telling me it's Tuesday that I know it's usually because of a stupid car that went up not that it

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matters anyway yeah it doesn't right one it doesn't matter better and then the interview one you know at the beginning like because that was weird because

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there's only one that's like that because later on there was was there a killing one was there a nope no none of that and then two seconds into it unless

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you're an idiot you can figure out it's an interview so you didn't need that card yeah unless he wanted you to not

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know the passages time to symbolize that they're up there having cabin fever and one day bleeds into another or something

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I I don't know you want you to know how long that movie was that's what it is yeah you know I didn't pay that any attention until I was watching the

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Stephen King version and they actually do the dates but of course they have more time to

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explain things and and they show they show it snow and then they show it melt and they're still going into town it's

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not like they're isolated until much much later but then they do tell

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I don't know what they like we talked about earlier I haven't seen that version and I don't remember the the

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dates you know they came throughout his book and I'm sure that the passage of time is much more clear in the book and

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maybe even this movie but I just thought about it if you're gonna do those cards throw up the months instead of the day well that's it

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whatever it was it was made October or something or maybe I have a reversed yeah but I don't think the progressing

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of the month so that we know because let's only end like that has to be the reason they're in there right

27:09

this guy goes nuts or whatever yeah the the uh one of the one of the first cards

27:15

let's see it's uh the third title card says one month later so they have a good month yeah

27:21

days and right right anyway so as far as that goes the opening image

27:27

giving us the idea that we're going for a ride and it's going to go off the rails I think was the only thing I could should have been an Off The Rails card

27:33

you know anybody else have anything for opening image like a something you could nail

27:39

down as a starting place for Jack I don't know so then we get this first title card the

27:45

interview and you know Jack is given several things here duties of the caretaker we learned that this is all

27:51

set up the snow closes the road and there's tremendous isolation and then we're given this backstory of of Grady

27:57

killed his family and it was: 1970

28:04

through Tony his little boy that lives in his mouth and Tony doesn't want to go to the Overlook uh Jack is an alcoholic

28:11

but it's been sober a whole five months and Wendy after an episode with Danny is

28:17

interviewed also I think there's two interviews because the doctor starts questioning her right about

28:23

Danny's injury and so she glosses over it by saying well it was

28:28

one time and yeah he was drunk and he's sober now and so

28:34

there's this setup and of them both being interviewed

28:39

yeah because it's highlighting that Danny goes into trance's essentially starts seeing

28:46

horrible horrible images yeah yeah but even the way they did it bugged me like

28:51

from like the movie like because he jacks this down started the interview a little bit uh you know and I think he

28:58

the guy asked him if he wanted coffee and then he tells the secretary and bring some other guy in here right yeah and then if I remember right it fades

29:04

out and then brings up and starts introduces to Danny and and Wendy right we have a little bit of them and then we

29:10

go back and then the rest of the interview like it's so weird like why not show the whole interview and then show the family like I don't it just

29:16

seemed weird to me which this whole movie has some weird weird well I'm sure it's artistic and you just don't get it yeah yeah that's probably it I just

29:22

don't understand you just don't understand maybe another cue card would have helped me get it yeah now as far we so that's the setup

29:30

the theme stated couldn't nail down a theme I thought there were some interesting lines here about this movie

29:37

now the dramatic question could be because the the the manager who's

29:43

conducting an interview with Jack says for some isolation can be a bit of a problem and then you know tells the

29:50

story and Jack flips it off that's not going to happen to me all right well okay so maybe one

29:56

of the dramatic questions of the movie is uh uh you know what are the effects of isolation

30:02

is isolation a problem I don't know sure hmm

30:07

in the course of talking to Danny when Danny's through Tony saying that

30:12

expressing doubts about going to the Overlook and maybe not wanting to go uh

30:17

I I thought it was funny Wendy says we're all going to have a real good time and boy are you in for us so what if

30:25

what is the theme of maybe it could be what you would put your family through to chase your dreams

30:31

yeah I mean I'm gonna murder my family to be a famous author sure uh could be

30:36

you're you're stretching out your hand there to Kubrick you're really trying to it's no I mean you're giving I I hear

30:43

you I well I mean I feel like that was what James told me was in there for sure like there were so many times when he he

30:48

blamed Wendy for his failing sure not even you know his writing career that's never even taken off right to my nose

30:54

like this would be his first book he hasn't ever written anything so because he's not a writer but well um you know

30:59

like it just it's yeah blaming everybody else but like that was ultimately his his like I got

31:05

that that was his dream and even like in sympathize with nothing else no other job is going to

31:11

um sustain him long term he wants to be a writer right sure and so I get like taking a job where you got five months

31:16

to write and nothing else to do but even then like that's just uh incredible and

31:22

selfishness you know what I mean like your family is right in the other room and you're you know yeah well his speech is very

31:30

funny and we'll get to it but his speech is very funny to me and I even have part of that hanging up in my writing room just because I think it's oh there's

31:35

some very good but I don't mean any of that but you know and it was terrible to her the way he did it but sure and so

31:41

the other thing is everybody we always talk about Jack but whose story is this right because

31:50

yeah the main guy is the monster or at least part of the monster mechanism and

31:56

it's either Danny or Wendy right I would think it would just be the hotel hotel is the main character

32:02

that's that's my point from it yeah no that's the main bad guy but the main character yes the main it's the it's a

32:08

story of the hotel it's just one of the many tragedies that has happened and this is just one highlighted coming

32:14

through it that's just my point of view again from reading the book yeah there's a whole lot of history that's not even

32:20

touched in the movie sure no I could I guess I could see that if it was had been done like an anthology where it's a

32:25

bunch of short stories all taking place in the hotel um okay but even then you're gonna have I guess I feel like a main character in

32:31

each of those stories well I have a question talking about the hotel

32:36

you know at the end they showed that I'm just going to talk about the very very end where they show the picture and

32:42

there's Jack Nicholson right yeah in time I mean is it is it like he he was

32:47

there all along and they just kind of well we can get to it but yeah that's what they highlighted at because uh what

32:53

is it Grady he's the butler he's always been well we've always always been a caretaker so I'm trying to and Kubrick

32:59

is going to I I don't know I can't speak for him but he I guarantee he is going to resist the three-act

33:05

structure he is not going to be inclined he's going to think that's mundane I guarantee he's going to think that's

33:11

mundane and well shackles right these artsy guys you know the 3x structures yeah there's too much chakra on me and

33:18

my creativity because it's [ __ ] one yeah one way to look at this is if Jack

33:25

Torrance has always been there you've always been here you've always been the caretaker it's the story

33:30

of whatever Is possessing Jack Torrance or or it's the Journey of whatever Jack

33:37

is back to the Overlook right because obviously he was there and then

33:42

m losing him sorry okay so in: 1921

33:50

he got out left somehow but well the whatever Is possessing Jack or

33:57

the character whatever this guy is got separated from the Overlook and that

34:03

because he'll say things like uh I feel like I've been here but let's wait till windy yeah I feel like I've been here I

34:08

love it here I never want to leave this is the best place I've ever been right he's the only one having a good time I

34:13

don't I don't see it that way um I see it as the hotel seducing him slowly and it's like you know I just

34:20

feel comfortable here I feel like I've been here before it's the hotel slowly seeping into him so at the end the hotel

34:27

absorbs him he's slowly turning him and seducing him because again in the book he starts off

34:32

as a decent guy yeah he was an alcoholic and he he hurt his kid yeah but he's he's you know been sober trying to turn

34:38

it around and he's probably a [ __ ] got evidence of being an actual writer in the book too but anyhow he um I'll

34:44

stop yeah beat that horse eventually but yeah I think the hotel like you said

34:49

of the hotel yeah but it was: 1921

34:55

so he was there before the Hotel just that's a lie and they just the hotel is now presenting this photo yeah to you

35:02

and to go back to a little bit of the weird stuff in Kubrick's version of stuff appearing and disappearing in

35:09

scenes that plays into the fact of the hotel is the main character it is changing and warping yeah the the

35:16

Viewpoint of the characters and that's where he just loses his mind in his absorption yeah because because Grady

35:21

will talk about I and the others don't are losing confidence in you yeah right who is I so I thought it was like are

35:28

these demons are these everybody in that damn picture it's the hotel you know yeah or the hotel yeah because uh in the

35:33

next book Dr sleep The Shining or the shine or whatever is so powerful that uh

35:39

what's what's her name the Hat Grace Rose the Hat they're like energy vampires they go around and if you have

35:46

the shine they'll suck the life yeah like genius idea for like bad guys so

35:52

the hotel who have the shine and make them evil like it was really cool okay a hotel is kind of a a different breed of

35:58

that thing it wants okay shining and when Danny comes along with his super

36:04

power shining the hotel really comes to life because Dick even explains it that like

36:10

people he's at the hotel has a bit of shine or whatever yeah you can see it's like seeing pictures and all that and now the pictures are are hurting people

36:18

well that that that that makes sense because I was trying to figure out the story and and I I began to Dawn me well

36:24

this is not Jack's story necessarily it is I guess him being seduced by the hotel but like if you're looking for the

36:30

and he changes I guess from crazy crazier but but Wendy I guess and Danny

36:35

are the ones that like who's the protagonist right well it can't be Jack unless you're pulling for him and it's a

36:42

descent but I think Wendy and Danny are the ones fighting against yeah the antagonist right and so

36:50

it it's got to be I mean on one level it's it's a lady getting out of an abusive relationship yeah right I mean

36:57

and she eventually fights back to him like I got the Feeling she'd never fought back before no no she's no absolutely so she fights back finally

37:03

and gets you know and literally has to run and escape from this from this guy yeah she had a guy who was a you know an

37:08

alcoholic and you know an abused the kid once yeah and been five months over and like I don't think you get anything at

37:14

five months and I don't mean to knock anyone that's been five months over no obviously it's a long hard journey and you got to start somewhere but I guess I

37:20

don't know I just thought that was interesting yeah they couldn't make it like longer and I don't think and I I don't know I can't speak to it but I

37:26

don't think even Alcoholics Anonymous may not encourage you to take on a stress level position like that if

37:31

you've only been five months that's over sure I would feel like a responsible sponsor would be like you know well you

37:37

got to keep part of it my understanding is you got to keep in touch with your sponsors if he isolates himself and

37:45

sponsor you know right and and Stephen things are shining there is an effort for him to call meetings and there's

37:50

more attention to the real world aspect of what it means yeah in the book as well he does have a guy that actually

37:57

his sponsor is the guy that got him that job I forgot that nice

38:02

well I was gonna I found something about the the true theme and meaning behind the story from Rooney even Stephen King

38:11

Stephen King it said it's a little known fact this is

38:16

The Shining is actually uh kind of an autobiography about Stephen King yeah

38:22

because he had his own struggles with alcoholism which I didn't know and and then

38:29

deteriorated his mental state yeah sure so um the theme of Jack being the

38:35

sympathetic character her spouse and spirals into madness from alcohol and the Supernatural is Central to The

38:42

Shining the fact that Kubrick largely brushed aside these details greatly changed the true theme and meaning

38:48

behind the story right because he wanted to be artsy yeah no and that could be another reason why like maybe King like

38:54

took it as a you know almost I don't call it an insult but like why he doesn't yeah you know because like if he

38:59

put these real struggles that he had into this character and then this guy this artsy [ __ ] comes along and and

39:05

brushes them aside right well then and you just rip the heart out of what I'm trying to write here yeah I mean in a

39:10

way you know I think Kubrick wants to be associated with like Bukowski and and

39:16

Kerouac like James was saying right because you know I'm always looking for things in scenes right well sure there's

39:22

a scene where Wendy is sitting and Danny's eating his cereal and Wendy's reading a book well of course my eyes

39:27

Focus right in on what book she was reading plus The Catcher in the Rye yeah she was reading it in the apartment for

39:33

the left too yes Catcher in the Rye so Kerouac and I'm like okay well I could have written to Stephen King there buddy

39:38

but yeah well it does yeah but can would catch her in the Rye you know I'm obviously very notorious novel uh band

39:46

and all you know all this notoriety about it and entailed as a piece of art and this kind of thing I think Kubrick

39:51

is like on some level he thinks that he's in that realm you know and so I

39:57

looked up catchering right because I never read it uh you know I think I did read it in school I've never signed it

40:02

once and I read it and not art you know whatever anybody ever read it uh I think

40:08

I read it once I never read it I think I read it we had to read it for school once anyway so I looked it up themes of

40:16

angst and alienation and as a critique of superficiality in society the novel

40:21

deals with complex issues of Innocence identity belonging loss connection sex and depression which I guess we're all

40:28

in this Shining movie but is it you know it's Kubrick is is he just trying to take a shortcut hey my

40:34

movie's going to be the same themes as like well I have a reading Catcher in the Rye I guess is my question and I never got an answer on that uh you know

40:42

I never caught that that's what she was reading yeah I I saw that and I was like okay well because I I wanted to give him

40:49

a chance you know what's going on here yeah I mean if you're gonna have a character read a book it sure means something yeah well like or be even if

40:55

it's a like in stranger things there's a lot like almost all the characters I feel like are always reading like the Stephen King book because it's the show

41:01

who's very much is an homage to his type of stuff so well like even if it's just something like that like it can't just

41:06

be any old book right yeah and we talked about this and you can listen to on the breast Club but but uh

41:12

John Hughes did this much more with much greater finesse when he had them tearing

41:17

up the book by uh well yeah or whatever yeah you know comedies that point out in

41:23

Injustice in society or whatever it brilliantly done uh to the point where

41:29

you can look at that and say yes that's what's going on on here yeah that's interesting to me guys I don't think

41:34

necessarily that we get any strong signals from her reading Catcher in the Rye and then how it relates to this

41:40

movie unlike the script for this movie was by Kubrick and then Diane something I don't remember write it down yeah hang

41:47

on I got it much as I'm bragging about writers Diane Johnson thank you good member name anyhow so be willing to

41:53

Diane be willing to bet Diane did most of the heavy lifting because Kubrick I don't know he's probably not that much of a writer I may be wrong where like

42:02

John Hughes very much writer and director um and it's just I don't know just kind of blows my mind that like no no I'm

42:07

thinking about it and I know this early and Stephen King's career but there's only been a couple he's already had some hit books he's had some hit movies made

42:13

from these hit books so instead of like taking the blueprint that this writer gave you a successful writer yeah you

42:18

change it right and encounters come up with your own themes and your own stuff it's Kubrick man that's just crazy to me

42:23

like well oh I Can Do Better what yeah anyhow there's not a Kubrick movie on

42:28

this I have a little bit of Hope for Doctor Strangelove okay I I remember

42:34

liking that movie never seen it I'll probably go back and watch it and be like oh my God okay Clockwork Orange is

42:40

not nothing no I I know what that's about and it's I'm not talking about orange yeah that's what I'm saying

42:46

dimensions the first time I saw The Shining or his stainless shouting I checked it out of

42:54

the College library where we went where I worked yeah and I was like why do they

42:59

have this well they had Clockwork Orange and all that and I'm like okay they're the best people watch these yeah yeah

43:05

and: 2001

43:12

colors are very Vivid everything is you know use Color Film great I meant it was in colors

43:19

he could set up some shot that's oh yeah we learned that in film school I bet yeah possibly but there's a lot of I

43:27

don't give them that he lets how much direct you need to give Jack I don't know he lets every single scene that

43:32

shot breathe more than normal if more than necessary I would say but yes yeah

43:38

that's what I want to breathe well there are some directors to cut that [ __ ] if you take a breath and you go along with

43:43

this movie it's still two and a half hours long and there's something no

43:54

in general though the way that he shoots they're beautiful movies and damn I don't remember being two and a half oh

44:00

yeah it's long it's because you fell asleep in the middle yeah but yeah just talk about the giving the

44:06

scenes you know room to breathe like there were just so many like these long awkward pauses like it was so much

44:11

something like late notice too he was like what's going on why are they just standing there like I don't know how many times he said that you know why are

44:16

they just sitting there but it's it's allowing the music to make you uncomfortable the staring at Jack Nicholson's eyebrows no I hear you I was

44:23

never I was never bored in this one I I enjoyed every minute of I didn't fall asleep to getting tired I was never

44:29

bored I wouldn't say I was bored no one was even with the longer scenes in the long movie like I was never bored it was just I started off enjoying it I

44:35

remember it was all right the first time I saw it and I started enjoying it more this time and then it lost me along the

44:42

way like especially in the middle and then it picked back over the end when he's trying to kill him I got to the

44:48

point where I was just enjoying Jack knuckle Jack Nicholson's performance in the middle that was like the only

44:54

thing I was going to you know yeah anyway moving on would we look into our second title card closing day in

45:00

reference to the Donner Party on the way off that we talked about I like I said Jack seems a little too titillated by

45:06

this reference more of Danny's gifts a vision of the sisters uh first appearance of the sisters you know uh a

45:13

tour of the grounds with reference to All Things the hotel yeah maybe this became a cliche later the hotels on

45:19

Indian burial grounds right okay I guess back then it was still a thing but now

45:25

oh my God it's like it's like a that's a that's a if you're a writer do not but you move the headstones you didn't move the

45:31

grapes um let me scratch that right yeah let's take that right out of your story if that's yeah in in the book to go into a

45:38

little bit more uh it was a high society thing Mobsters were murdered there

45:43

socialites the lady in the bathtub was the socialite and the whole thing so like every ghost uh when they were

45:50

walking through the hallway the guy the two guys in the room with the teddy bear costume in the book they're all kind of

45:56

explained but that's why I leaned towards the hotel just absorbing everybody because they're all still there yeah that makes sense

46:03

yeah Lake didn't royism like he kind of knew I guess about the movie like we didn't watch his trailer or anything

46:09

um so it was interesting to me like he didn't realize when the girls first showed up he thought they were guests so I just left it alone yeah she was like

46:16

all right no find out soon enough but like he he thought there were other guests yeah the thing like he missed it that they were taking I guess you missed

46:22

it they were taking over for the winter and yeah just the family I thought they were guests there was somebody else that you see that he thought was there too

46:27

and I was like all right speaking of the twins uh my favorite way to freak Phil about is to when it's dark or whatever I

46:35

say come play with us then I didn't notice this but the first time uh you know when Jax when they're all

46:42

meeting in the lobby they're arriving they've got so much luggage yeah yeah

46:48

they've noticed that's like a beetle yeah yeah how did that all feel yeah I don't know and the other thing was when

46:54

uh Danny's playing darts and those girls come walking in yeah I think that was the hotel coming like one of the

47:00

pictures coming into live to come check out this

47:08

his wonderful camera work the the zoom in on Danny when he turns look at the

47:13

girls was was was God awful in my opinion oh yeah well I just don't get it man you know right maybe I don't get it I was just like at least I was like whoa

47:20

what what happened there yeah you know it just nothing subtle about it right in his face yeah the whole movie was meant

47:27

to make you uncomfortable no no all the way around and it depends in a lot of places in the right way and then I think it doesn't it does in a lot of wrong

47:34

ways too yeah we meet we meet dick the head chef with gifts like Danny the two discuss the gift Tony wants his keeper

47:40

his Secrets kept like Tony uh doesn't want to talk too much doesn't want to

47:47

reveal too much Danny doesn't want to talk about Tony and then we get this ominous foreshadowing of room 237 where

47:53

they thought are you scared room 237 that's the the setup of Doc was I'm pretty sure that was lifted from the book from wrong James so so the dialogue

48:01

that I really liked was lifted from the book anyways but um just the setting up of document and stuff because the because uh dick the

48:08

chef calls him doc yeah and when he's like hey how'd you how'd you call him you know how did you call him dogs oh I

48:14

must have heard you or whatever and she's like I'm pretty sure I didn't say it you know but you know his audience you're like no they didn't this is first

48:19

we're hearing this yeah right I thought that was well done yeah like well played by the actors and no absolutely like the

48:25

reveal and the dialogue but again I think that was all bright Kings anyways but sure uh that's the second title card

48:31

the third title card is one month later so I guess they have a month where everything is going fine uh seemingly

48:38

everything in order breakfast in bed Wendy's bringing Jack breakfast in bed Jack Loves the Overlook more than any

48:44

other place he's been feels he's like he's been here before but he's maybe experiencing some writer's block and I always check my

48:50

head when I hear that you know I said I would stop so it's been a month yeah right and she asked him when she bring

48:56

some breakfast in bed anything that uh nothing yet you've had a month man to do nothing good Phil if you don't have a

49:01

month sit down and write how much stuff would we come up with well where we had nothing else no other responsibilities not even a family because this guy you

49:08

know yeah well I mean most writers would kill for that kind of time you know if

49:14

you're not a footballer Jack Torrance does very good James Fortune I was thinking

49:20

throughout this whole movie Philip would like to go be isolated that's the same thing Kayla and I'm sitting there going oh no is this a documentary of Phil

49:27

going to the hotel I watched a movie about a guy going mad and you merely thought of Phil that's [ __ ] up no no

49:33

not going up to the mountains for five months just to write no but the way you uh something he would do yeah well but

49:40

but not me I think I need to be yeah I think any introvert would enjoy this would be okay for this job we're an

49:46

extrovert it would go nuts right so they should have and you add the snow and I am out you have no [ __ ] wants to snow

49:53

but um they should have had uh like a personality test for the interview right to see an introvert or

49:59

extrovert I think they're pretty desperate like who's for sure who's letting take that up yeah yeah uh

50:06

so yeah one with like Wendy and Danny are running through the maze enjoying the Maze and then we cut to Jack I said

50:12

Jack seems to be in a maze of his own so we got this Wendy and Danny in the Maze and then Jack I think is in some kind of

50:17

catatonic State at that point right yeah is that the shot where he's looking out the window like a psychopath yes

50:23

and then he looks down at the like a makeup of the Maze and then it cuts to them yeah I did think I feel like that

50:29

was set up didn't think about till later but like so he he doesn't go right she's like come outside with us and he's like no I got writing to do liar yeah so they

50:35

go and do the they're they're out in the Maze yes later on the boy runs to the maze to lose him and Jack gets lost in

50:41

there I feel like that's set up you didn't go earlier buddy now you're lost you know yeah that's true yeah I I made

50:47

mention of that model the whole time yeah right because you know obviously even if you've been through the maze it'd still be still suck yeah but I

50:53

think so my question was you know Danny bright kid or whatever he must have memorized he had to have memorized the

50:59

out of that maze because he knew he was leading Jack deep into that maze yeah

51:06

he walks backwards on this yeah so he knows very smart for a five-year-old he's four years old this kid was four

51:12

years old when he made this movie I think that's what I heard but I looked it up and it said five so same same

51:17

thing yeah yeah four or five yeah that's an amazing job yeah I'm running around that maze I'm not gonna walk back and

51:23

just do my tracks yeah yeah right yeah fourth title card Tuesday

51:32

how many Tuesdays since that month a storm is coming ridiculous Danny sees room 237 and another vision of the

51:39

sisters these are Grady's daughters I guess Jack is writing so he's actually typing on the typewriter at this point

51:45

now we don't know what he's typing it's revealed later what he is but yeah Tuesday

51:51

I do think he well yeah I'm gonna commit to this I think he thought he was writing a story like like I don't think

51:58

it's a good idea no there's something I want to bring up maybe at the end that

52:04

will explain that okay it's like one of the conspiracy theories that all right okay yeah does he think he's writing a

52:11

story probably yeah well that's what I was always wondered different formatting I like its dialogue

52:18

and different things and yeah and it was great

52:24

no I I thought I remember seeing it the first time and thinking that was a pretty cool reveal and I think it is

52:30

sure yeah no I don't have a problem with the review yeah but if he was to me if he was typing the same thing it would

52:35

just all be lying after line after line yeah there's a couple Pages like that but there's other stuff that's yeah but it's almost like there is dialogue there

52:43

it's just like it's broken up into their yes paragraphs reaching out for a catalyst

52:49

there is the scene where Jack is typing uh and Wendy comes in and this is the

52:54

quote that Chris Chris likes you know you know whether I'm typing or not you hear whatever I'm typing you're not

53:00

typing or whatever the [ __ ] you hear me doing here it means I'm working yeah I can't come in here get the F out of here

53:05

right so that's the sign that's hanging above in my writing room yeah because I think it's funny [ __ ] like it was

53:10

god-awful it's terrible that did you say that to somebody and mean it the way he did but yeah so whenever Lathan Stacy

53:16

come into my room when I'm writing to bother me because I have no door just playfully point at the sign go hey you know yeah you know and they ignore it

53:23

and they laugh and they go on and tell me what they're telling me anyways right I did have a uh on that note just real quick uh I actually did some writing

53:28

this morning and uh ladies had come up and was you know bothering me with you know whatever he was doing so when the

53:34

scene played I was like see his face you saw that face this morning didn't you light sort of left yeah we need to get

53:41

you an ax yeah right next to that sign oh that's I love it James that's wonderful that's right read the ax read

53:48

the X you remember what no it's fine I just I have uh the

53:56

Catalyst as him you know telling her to get the [ __ ] out of there now this is the catalyst for Wendy I think because

54:03

this is Wendy's first experience with something because she reacts and you can

54:08

see her debating in her mind what do I make of this okay she was even gonna bring him lunch the [ __ ] dick right

54:15

you know yes so at that point I'm like well whose story is this it's a catalyst I think it's a change in

54:21

behavior markedly for Wendy and I think she debates this uh this is Wendy and

54:28

Danny's story is what I have written here Wendy debates internally the rock that just got dropped into her Pond

54:33

Danny debates the issue of room 237 because he's there and he's trying to decide whether he wants to go in he

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decides he goes in to room 237 and I guess gets choked or whatever um because I couldn't find any debate or

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anything it's got to be right around there because I would Peg it if it were gonna go for Jack it's him sitting at

54:52

the bar taking the drink like that's his yeah next Moment Like that's when he

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gets taken over by the hotel and he doesn't debate for a second about taking that drink no he's had five months six

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months and a Tuesday debate Yeah well yeah and a Wednesday and a Saturday and all these other random days that don't

55:09

mean anything yeah but yeah structure wise I have no clue no I don't I don't know that there is yeah I mean I see

55:15

what you're saying about the the the big moment of him sudden take a drink um like I have that but that's like way

55:20

later to me yeah that was like makes no sense yeah midpoint Falls to feet maybe because that's when she he does that

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right after she um I guess we're jumping a handle it but Raptor well I mean we're almost there he said he goes in room 23

55:33

237 when Danny comes out he's all oh yeah jacket had this horrible nightmare and uh Wendy was in the cellar with the

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boy yeah and heard him screaming and then she goes up there and then Danny comes and she's like oh I'll just I'll get him out of here I'll come out of the room and then she gets closer she

55:47

realize he's you know damn near catatonic sucking on his thumb and his face and sugar messed up there's and

55:53

then she accuses Jack because there's nobody else in the damn thing it had to be Jack right in her mind yeah yeah she accused them

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but they're after they're scenes where Danny's playing and wants to go get his toy and she's like no don't wake your father so she is that was after the yeah

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she is clearly yep debating her activity now around yep

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there's 40 40 other rooms I can be in I'll be in those yeah okay did y'all not find it funny though that

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scene where Jack is sitting there at the bar and he's talking to who was he talking about

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he's talking to Lloyd and um what is her name Wendy Wendy she runs

56:32

up and says let's see I wrote it down hold on someone in the hotel there's someone are you are that's trying to

56:38

strangle Danny and his response was are you out of your mind yeah and he's sitting there talking to

56:45

Lloyd who's not there so well he sees him though yeah yeah no no definitely funny like I was like all right here's

56:51

the guy here's the guy who's clearly crazy and then he has the nerve to ask her that yeah so she's completely flipped though from

56:59

yeah did you do this you son of a [ __ ] to hey there's somebody else there's a psycho lady and not once does she

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especially not that just kind of necessarily deserves an apology right but if you've got a guy who's flying off the handle and he's

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abusive like you'd think she would apologize hey Jack I'm so sorry I accused you of attacking our kid again

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and some she said you know what I mean however they go sorry I accused you of doing something entirely in your character

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I'm just saying like she never apologizes right but she did convince that there's this [ __ ] crazy lady in

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237 yeah no I no I hear you though yeah just that was weird to me we get a fifth

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title card it's Thursday now and it's very short it's like the snow has come right I only have one line the snow has

57:40

come and Jack is gone I guess at this point he is off his I don't even remember the whole scene

57:46

this is where he goes to the room where are we skipping that because he goes to the room yeah he goes up to the room check it out yeah have we jumped a

57:53

far two head oh wow have we jumped a far too head jumped up

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I'm wording we haven't jumped too far ahead I had to think about it to put the words in order

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James yeah I don't know I'm saying I'm gonna say it like that now because it wasn't you're welcome out there there's

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not a lot happening on this fifth not a lot happening on Thursday like it's a very short if I remember oh man Saturday

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was the day when stuff was happening I'm playing yeah well the six title card is Saturday Jack is typing I was joking

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like okay cool the title cards annoying the [ __ ] out of me so I was just picking a random day I

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had one of seven so the next next title card is Saturday when Jack is typing Wendy gets the ranger station on the

58:32

radio she has disregarded okay yeah she has disregarded Jack's previous Behavior

58:38

or has taken a tactical avoidance like when Danny wants to get his toys but Wendy does not want him to disturb Jack

58:43

Danny sees the girls again they speak this time come play with us Danny whatever forever as I go share

58:49

how's it going forever and ever go stand in the hallway I was gonna have to wait

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till the lights are out uh oh there was a note on that um real quick um so the girls say come play with us standing

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forever and ever and ever right um the the forever and ever and ever bit uh that's what Jack tells Danny about

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you know I want to stay in this hotel ever ever never thought that was cool yeah that's cool again goes back to the hotel oh yeah

59:16

stay with us it's a dad because Danny's even asked him Hey Dad are you happy are you oh yeah everybody else having

59:22

miserable time but dead right uh I don't get any work done you know Danny continues to debate his call pictures in

59:28

a book so I see this is still a debate of Danny and Wendy so it at that point

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I'm leaning toward it being their story in terms of having to deal with this evil uh seven title card is Monday Danny is

59:42

warned about the story okay so this is when what happened to Sunday man well it's Saturday to Monday they arrest yeah

59:47

all right they arrested no evil on Sunday Danny is warned about disturbing Jacks [ __ ]

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date on Wednesday baby Danny is warned about disturbing Jack goes to get his toy speaks with Jack who can't sleep

:: 00:01

there is too much to do confesses he loves the hotel wish they could stay forever yep sorry so yeah I jumped too

:: 00:07

far and then and then Danny asked he'd never hurt us would you did your mom tell you that yeah it starts yeah yeah

:: 00:14

well he even says to Lloyd you know I would never hurt the little bastard or whatever yeah it was one time one time

:: 00:20

and that the little [ __ ] had my papers all over I love this is what do you call them right I love them I just you know

:: 00:26

all this but but his mother you know now you little [ __ ] had my papers all over the

:: 00:31

room yeah but I would never hurt him all right I I'm just a liar I'm not a good

:: 00:37

writer and a bad dad you know yeah here I have a the break into two which maybe

:: 00:42

I'm like trying to nail Jello to the wall is it the break in the two I don't know I I'm gonna call it the break into

:: 00:48

two eighth title card Wednesday Danny is playing ball in the hall a ball

:: 00:53

oh Dan he's playing in the hall ball is rolled from nowhere he thinks he's calling out his mother Mom Mom this is

:: 00:59

the door to 237 thing open and Danny goes in Jack is having nightmares dreamed he killed Wendy and Danny and

:: 01:05

chopped them up into little pieces Wendy to the rescue he she comes Jack confesses he feels like he is losing so

:: 01:10

he has a Moment of clarity here where he says he feels like he's losing his mind yeah just for a moment no and that's also to Jameson about seducing him like

:: 01:17

even what this means sleeping yes right it's it's you know is it all terminating his mind and his dreams and and

:: 01:23

basically telling him this is what you need to do in in in the book Danny his vision his shining is showing him the

:: 01:31

things to come yeah but when he comes out of his State he can't remember it so he's having nightmares too but he's

:: 01:37

waking up going I can't remember what it is horror so it's going it's spreading around the family

:: 01:43

uh Danny appears but is only Tony now Jack is cut so he has a Moment of

:: 01:49

clarity but then immediately goes into a catatonic State Jack does uh uh Danny

:: 01:54

has Bruises And this is when Wendy accuses yeah Jack goes to the bar and so again

:: 02:02

before James brought Clarity to this I was like okay well is this a better character coming back to the hotel

:: 02:08

because he goes to talk and he recognizes Lloyd and Lloyd recognizes him you were always the best Lloyd you

:: 02:13

were you were always the best past tense always the best bartender you're talking like you know you know it

:: 02:20

is weird I don't know but no but if it's a seduction then then yeah because here's a guy who badly needs a drink

:: 02:25

wants to drink right and he hasn't had any and like and they even make a note of saying there's nothing there earlier

:: 02:31

right yes was even confused about this scene about hey is this happening or not I'm like no

:: 02:36

they showed us there's nothing there right like this I said you'll see in a minute when Wendy comes up she can't see him or whatever like this I said this

:: 02:43

dude's not even having a drink I mean he did all this [ __ ] sober yes you know what I mean Under the Influence kind of

:: 02:48

yeah well I mean okay yes I mean the psychotic break but there was no when they did a toxicology on the on his body

:: 02:55

there was no alcohol in his body like there's nothing there for him to drink they said again in the book that's not the show I'm just saying but uh when

:: 03:02

Wendy comes in and Jack has had you know Many Many Drinks by then she can smell

:: 03:08

the Gin oh yeah in the room and he stinks of it really so still think it's

:: 03:13

not there it's the hotel yeah the hotel is making him act that way like he's thinking I mean yes yeah but Wendy can

:: 03:20

smell it yeah that's cool okay well in Stephen King's The Shining

:: 03:26

um miniseries Wendy picks up a bottle of Jack or whatever sitting there and hits him over

:: 03:32

the head nice so there's actually a bottle like a baseball bat or she hits them multiple times no she hits him with

:: 03:38

a a bottle of alcohol yeah cool that was sitting there and it had it had a note on there

:: 03:44

um I think it said um from from the hotel stuff the management Yeah Yeah

:: 03:50

from the minute that's what it was from the management but she actually picks up a bottle of I forget what kind of

:: 03:55

alcohol it is and just whatever it is the hotel is manifesting yeah just like the stuff she sees later on towards the

:: 04:00

end like that's not there right I mean yeah she sees the corpses and the anyway yeah and they struggle with that too

:: 04:07

because he's like all right well they're ghosts I'm like okay yeah they're ghosts but remember Danny got like a shirt ripped in his face actually so they can interact with you yeah Lloyd let's our

:: 04:13

Grady lets them out of the correct yeah let them out yeah that's what it was like how did he actually get out does he actually get out I'm like hey you know

:: 04:19

and interact with you which is really messed up you know one of the questions I had when watching this is uh of course

:: 04:25

she all y'all know I watch a lot of ghost shows and um listen to these certified horror

:: 04:33

addicts my goodness yes and then when he called him I don't know I don't know but uh a lot of these people who have these

:: 04:39

abilities like Danny um it actually runs in in the family so my question was

:: 04:45

always is Jack does he have The Shining or is it the hotel that is I don't think

:: 04:52

exactly I don't think he ever has Visions like that I think no he doesn't before James says yes so far but some

:: 04:59

people will have psychic abilities but they don't open up to it or they don't

:: 05:05

yeah sure you know and maybe the hotel but then when his mother when Wendy

:: 05:12

starts seeing things then I'm like okay well this is just it's free for all well I think that's the hotel the hotel's

:: 05:18

gained its strength yeah it's drawing like a vampire off of The Shining and like dick Halloran has a little bit so

:: 05:25

is like pictures in a book but Danny is like a nuclear grade yeah weapon like

:: 05:30

that much power so the hotel's really coming alive I don't know well anyway moving into so

:: 05:38

if that's fun and games right uh dick in Miami I really dick really likes his artwork

:: 05:44

did you yeah oh and the lights coming down they shaped like boobs too man oh I didn't see the lights oh yeah I noticed

:: 05:50

the the poster above the TV and the one above is just bad I'm like lights of course notice it too or whatever and he

:: 05:56

comment about the lady's hair I'm like he said oh that's some big hair I'm like that's the whole thing you saw

:: 06:02

today he goes and other things there is much made of uh

:: 06:09

sexual imagery in The Shining I mean you could watch these documentaries oh my God but I didn't I didn't understand it

:: 06:16

right well for for dick yeah yeah I don't know like why would he like a porno mag on the nightstand if he's

:: 06:22

single like cool but just have it which okay you want to post a fight have a poster but it just yeah it just seems

:: 06:28

like painting he was like Florida he was having a good time snow he's down there to just work a

:: 06:35

little and have a good time it didn't strike you as weird though no the um there I caught it in when Danny goes

:: 06:42

into room 237 yeah the pattern on the carpet is very phallic oh is it yeah uh

:: 06:47

okay this is the point where you know it's it's almost unmistakable is that you're nice the pad it's looped patterns

:: 06:53

and then and that's probably Kubrick uh you know I'm sure he thought that was

:: 06:58

just the greatest thing I don't you know I don't know what it means like the carpet look like dicks it'll be really artsy yeah

:: 07:05

yeah Jack investigates so this is where Jack investigates room 237 for Wendy and

:: 07:10

gets what I I put down he gets catfished right so he's yeah he does Big Time

:: 07:16

right so yep and then at this at this point I was

:: 07:21

even came out of the water I like it yeah at this point I was getting slap happy because you know Jack gets

:: 07:26

catfished dick yeah I got that too got slap Happy from the girl coming out of

:: 07:32

the tub well in my notes I started just yeah at this

:: 07:38

point I'm off the rail so I think with his pictures on the wall he makes a call and I said dick is gets call us

:: 07:43

interrupted he can't call us interruptus he can't get the hotel on the line right

:: 07:49

so um Danny must have made it up Jack claims he didn't see a thing in room

:: 07:54

237. yeah and Danny's trying to call Dick in Florida with his was his mind

:: 07:59

yes because dick has his vision because he's that Danny is that powerful to

:: 08:06

reach that far uh Danny has more Visions Jack is angrier not gonna let Wendy [ __ ]

:: 08:11

it up you know at this point uh he goes to a party free drinks from

:: 08:16

Lloyd and a word with Grady who has no recollection of killing his family and forms Jack he is the caretaker and

:: 08:22

always been the caretaker and then the two discuss correcting Wendy and there's this discussion of correcting the family

:: 08:27

and yeah well because yeah he has no election no recollection at first right you've always been the caretaker sir and

:: 08:33

then he reveals that yeah I think at that moment when lace realized oh [ __ ] that's the girls and yeah this is the

:: 08:38

guy like it was it was very funny that he had just cut on at that point he also had a like an interesting note he's like

:: 08:45

they're in like Target's bathroom yeah it's all red and white and like it's you know that's what he calls it I'm like

:: 08:50

because it was kind of a it was a weird bathroom well it's very very yeah and not I feel like it didn't match the the

:: 08:56

room for somebody in the ballroom I don't know why I'm sure that the red balls and white meant something you know Kubrick could probably I don't know uh

:: 09:04

Wendy is making plans to leave and then Danny Tony or I put Danny slash Tony

:: 09:09

because he's mostly Tony uh coming up it starts

:: 09:15

um dick gets no answer from The Overlook uh ninth title card possible break into three here I you know again just trying

:: 09:22

to nail it down dick flies to Colorado Jack is typing and Dick's plane comes in for landing

:: 09:27

Wendy goes around with a bat now like she's going around armed at this point right uh looking for Jack she discovers

:: 09:33

that Jack's writing is a bit repetitive right all works nice yeah I guess that even

:: 09:40

through structures oh it's 8 AM by the way the title card was 8 A.M really I thought I thought it was nine

:: 09:46

so I'm glad I missed it yeah 8 am what bothering me into structure wise so he has the big scene in the with Grady

:: 09:53

in the Target bathroom yeah and talks about corrections that need to be made right and how they could foil all his

:: 09:59

plans and he I'm not he's not gonna let Wendy [ __ ] it up right yeah but then he goes back to typing like it's been a while since I've seen this and I was

:: 10:04

thinking all right well here's the next scene when he starts trying to chase him and attack him and kill him and all that nope back to typing yeah like because

:: 10:11

she's got to put him in the freezer first so they're just weird like yeah oh I'll correct it let him go back to writing so and maybe that's him fighting

:: 10:18

against the you know the the hotel or something you know but you know they didn't see that

:: 10:23

you know Kubrick was changing the script constantly yeah it got to the point where uh Jack Nicholson even said he

:: 10:29

didn't didn't know he didn't even read it until I guess it was Tom or whatever

:: 10:35

that sounds totally like a douche thing to do and uh you know yeah yeah oh but

:: 10:41

it's Kubrick I'm smarter today than I was yesterday so let me make pages I mean I'm sure that's got a yeah as an

:: 10:47

actor you're preparing for a role and you've taken the time to get these lines and how you and then you get page changes because Kubrick wants to you

:: 10:55

know yeah no I can totally see each other well I'll tell you what you know I'll you give me these [ __ ] night before and I'll be ready tomorrow yeah

:: 11:00

I'm not gonna go down the road and be ready yeah I'll be ready in two weeks don't [ __ ] that oh my God

:: 11:06

Zach may not have okay can you use picture in Cooper like the whole time like his face and what he was wanting to

:: 11:11

kill and you know yeah catch up into little pieces he was really talking to Kubrick you know yeah the script was allegedly changed so many

:: 11:18

times during production even a couple of times a day that Jack Nicholson uh simply stopped reading it yeah what's

:: 11:25

the point here I wrote Jack may not have a hit on his hands but Wendy gets one with her

:: 11:30

hands knocks him on the ground with her back Jack is dragged to the Foot Locker

:: 11:35

Food Locker Jack has been busy though you're not going anywhere he has disabled the snow cap and the radio and

:: 11:41

the radio yeah I do like the shot of like from the floor oh yeah no absolutely like when he's in there Wendy and yeah like that was those no that was

:: 11:48

good tenth title card it's 4 P.M same day apparently I guess

:: 11:54

that's the only one I'll take him back that one maybe makes sense because I think it cuts back to him being in the

:: 11:59

freezer and if you win the freezer on Tuesday and then we're cutting down the [ __ ] not even a freezer he's going to be dead I think it's just a pantry

:: 12:05

Pantry because there's no ice in there it's just no it's a big door it's a cool Pantry yeah but it's not a freezer no

:: 12:13

it's not the freezer it's the pantry because he's like yeah because he's got peanut butter in the yeah he's eating one yeah well then yeah then it doesn't

:: 12:20

even matter they could have gone from Tuesday to Saturday I was gonna say if they go to Saturday food in there he's looking like he did at the end being frozen but yeah I thought it was a

:: 12:27

freezer so much I was paying attention because it's a big door like a freezer well I kept thinking that too right the peanut butter and I'll notice whenever

:: 12:33

this climate controlled humidity control yeah so he's all right huh Grady visits Jack doubts his abilities I and the

:: 12:40

others harshest possible way is recommended now it says yeah a great year says they must

:: 12:47

be dealt with in the harshest possible way Jack says he's up to it Grady releases Jack now at this point I'm

:: 12:53

thinking because uh Stephen King is a work a day writer but he I think he does draw upon some of

:: 13:00

his favorite things and puts him in books right uh this scene was very it

:: 13:07

reminded me a great deal of the stand when when flag releases Lloyd from prison here uh Jack says he's up to it

:: 13:16

Grady releases Jack reminiscent of flag releasing Lloyd from the cell in the stand uh you make a deal and I'll let

:: 13:22

you out you know um so did uh King sort of draw on that

:: 13:27

again maybe I mean it could be a I think it was just you know same guy wrote it's going to be similarities

:: 13:33

that's what I'm saying yeah you know you have favorite things or whatever uh break into three dick drives to the

:: 13:40

Overlook the hole here's Johnny scene which you know is very famous uh and that road dick comes along with his

:: 13:46

adjoining Carson reference correct yeah yeah Edmund man would say Here's Johnny yeah because the curtains would part and

:: 13:52

then John comes out Johnny comes out right I swear to explain it away because that's oh fairly certain but I was I

:: 13:57

wanted to make sure I asked the guy before Jimmy it's like why was he his name Jack why does he say you're joining I'm like well it's it's done great and

:: 14:03

then explain it there's a guy before Jimmy uh Jimmy Fallon the guy before Jay Leno yeah was Johnny Carson correct you

:: 14:10

know I've seen him but I didn't I wanted to make sure that that here's Johnny was Johnny Carson's uh Carson reference in

:: 14:16

1980 it would have been recognizing easily reckoned yeah yeah dick gets a hatchet to the side or

:: 14:24

the head yeah he's fighting the stuff right in the sternum and he's out all that way all that travel just well I

:: 14:30

mean it he was a distraction he pulled Jack away from Wendy sure so I guess he

:: 14:36

bought him some time Sherry's got it Sherry's got it we talked about it earlier that is how they escaped they um

:: 14:43

when they when Jack kept saying something about the um whatever they called it the cat or

:: 14:49

whatever the snow cat you know and he had destroyed it where they couldn't escape you know it's it's almost like

:: 14:55

of uh on horrible feelings like okay we're doomed because there's no way no

:: 15:01

one's coming to get us but then shows up dick with the other snowmobile and that

:: 15:08

that's their escape yeah yeah no I I was irritable you've got on a plane he drove other way and did nothing he died he

:: 15:14

delivered it okay and then yep I'm sure he goes Nobody delivers it I'm like okay I'll shut the hell up then

:: 15:21

there's Wendy starts seeing visions and and again at this point I'm just looking for jokes uh she sees this weird scene

:: 15:29

in the hotel and I put you won't remember this it was a show called BJ and the bear well that's what we saw him

:: 15:34

a long time yeah and so used I was like what is this BJ in the back because there's a guy in a bear costume my note

:: 15:40

says bare ass BJ and a bear wow yeah BJ and the bear was a story about a truck driver who had a chimp as a partner and

:: 15:47

they would they would you know thanks for ruining you know my note was this is bare ass but you know Bear the animal

:: 15:53

and then ask yeah because BJ and the bear not the 1978 yeah what the [ __ ] I don't understand that like why do we got

:: 15:59

to see that what's well it's not not what's going on there but why why are we seeing that Kubrick likes art nasty bits

:: 16:04

that's fine that's who doesn't like a nasty bit uh maze Chase did Danny memorize the path of the maze I think he

:: 16:10

probably was smart and I think he's a gifted kid he probably did cobwebs and corpses blood elevator so Wendy sees the

:: 16:16

blood elevator that that Danny had seen the blood pouring out of the yellow usually gets off on the third floor but

:: 16:21

this time it hit the ground floor that's right well I mean I thought the book came on Tuesday and now it's coming Saturday and Wendy sees it also yeah

:: 16:29

everybody saw it like a thousand times a thousand times Yeah Wendy gets a vision of her own I put poor dick as limp he

:: 16:36

gets killed sorry terrible terrible joke Jack I like it jacket's cooling he's

:: 16:42

running around the Maze and is is lost too he's getting colder and colder Danny exits the maze reunites with Wendy

:: 16:48

they have a new snow cat in the driveway final image jacking a photo from 1921 you have always been here I forgot him

:: 16:54

being frozen yeah amazing he's Frozen like popsicle froze I like popsicle yeah um so late to the Ready Player one I

:: 17:01

don't know if you guys have seen that yeah we watched the movie night one time okay thank you for the reminder yeah

:: 17:06

long time um that's I guess like probably the most that late knew about this movie oh um so like a lot of the

:: 17:12

imagery from that movie where they go into the The Shining universe universe or whatever in Ready Player one like he

:: 17:19

remembered some of that like the blood because the characters in the regular one actually get caught up like and they're floating in the wood oh yeah

:: 17:26

it's been a long time and then the somehow the old lady ends up with the ax out in the Maze down in uh in Ready

:: 17:31

Player one but anyhow like laith was connecting the dots there oh but did he see Twister because the girls are in

:: 17:38

twister those same girls yeah yeah he's seen it but yeah I don't guess

:: 17:44

he yeah he didn't put it together that's the scariest scene to me of Twister not because of the girls but because it's in

:: 17:51

the dark you see oh yeah tornado coming the so I'm gonna ruin uh with the conspiracy theory about The Shining

:: 17:57

and see if this changes your mind on it all of this is in Wendy's head yeah so I

:: 18:03

didn't read that theory I heard that but I haven't Wendy has lost her mind she's having a schizophrenic episode

:: 18:08

from the moment we see her like even Danny brushing his teeth or after that uh when they essentially when they get

:: 18:14

to the hotel she starts to have a psychotic break so that's why you know when Jack loses it at her uh and then

:: 18:21

he's back to normal just typing away let's type she's imagining all these crazy things happening what is the

:: 18:26

foundation of that theory like or is that just it's essentially the edits of the movie oh yeah there are light

:: 18:33

switches in places and then they're not there and the next time you see them they're slight fixtures that are there

:: 18:39

they're not there the first time you see that area then they're there the second time there's all kinds of little things

:: 18:46

in the background that move there's chairs that are there in one scene and then when the camera turns back to Jack

:: 18:51

Nicholson that chair is not there this is Stanley Kubrick you're right he doesn't make mistakes quote unquote so

:: 18:58

people have come up with a theory that it's all in Wendy's mind she's the one that choked Annie she's the one causing

:: 19:04

all the issues but it's all in her head yeah and Jack's trying to remember ever heard that Jack's trying to be in a

:: 19:10

remote Hotel alone with a person have a psychotic break

:: 19:16

yeah and I've seen movies that how much you want to put in that I don't know well I've seen movies that have pulled that there was a Shutter Island and sure

:: 19:22

and then there was a uh Jack uh Jack Cusack was uh identity

:: 19:29

well I thought it was very very clever yeah so if you're gonna do that do it no exactly that's what I'm saying is if you

:: 19:35

have to fill in the blanks with something like that you don't have the

:: 19:40

movie you think you do right right I thought identity and uh Shutter Island I I really enjoyable and and I'd enjoy the

:: 19:48

Twist and and even even uh uh I see dead people what's the name of that movie uh

:: 19:54

six sense right oh my God a neck breaker twist at the end right I mean and it's done brilliantly and and but the

:: 19:59

audience is rewarded with that knowledge yeah at the end here you're if that's even the case you're never given yeah

:: 20:06

and I guess it's too artsy to actually tell the audience at the end that this is what's happened you know I don't know

:: 20:12

sure I guess I I much prefer uh I I like those kind of things but but do

:: 20:19

them you know I mean I don't I don't mind a movie that has a bit of a ambiguous ending and I gotta think about

:: 20:24

it a little bit and keeps me thinking about it but yeah this um if that was if the if the winning

:: 20:30

thing is true yeah he missed the Mark I don't I don't think that's I guess yeah because leaving the like if you change the script you know eight times a day or

:: 20:37

whatever it was oh yeah um he didn't have a plan which explains light fixtures and well who's to say

:: 20:43

he's not changing the set eight times a day too right like yeah he didn't have anything so and we know how like movies

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work with the coverage and all that that's why [ __ ] moves right that's why there's continuity errors anyways because they shoot all these things over

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and over and over and yeah [ __ ] gets moved if you're changing it every day or so many times that your your actors

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stopped reading you you one you've lost the confidence of your actors and two who does that that is not a way you know

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if you're artistic that's fine you have an artistic Vision that's great but how changing it every day uh yeah I mean

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this thing gets made a couple years later with Val Kilmer in the in the main role this movie's not going to get finished yeah he's going to walk out

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yeah yeah uh changing yeah that that to me is just flying by the seat of your pants and you

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don't have a plan even as an artist whatever uh anyway that's that's The

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Shining I don't any closing thoughts or any other uh it would have been uh no

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we spilled it all out I so pass recommend consider there was a time when

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I would have recommended this movie um now I think if you just wanna see the best parts is go to YouTube and

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watch Jack Nicholson's several scenes and be done uh you know watch it once

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okay fine but I don't I in good conscience cannot recommend it as a movie that is really worth your time at

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this point not when there's YouTube and clips I I would say you at least gotta watch it once

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so you can watch Doctor sleep yeah because Dr sleep is a tremendous movie

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yeah and I would highly recommend that one this one I would I'm probably not going to watch it very

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much anymore but yeah it's worth a one watch at least yeah kind of the same boat like I think

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if you're if you're looking for you know checking off Classics on your on your list or you're checking off horror

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movies and yeah watch it but if it's you know outside of that yeah it's not a movie that to me holds up and and

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there's a lot of value for multiple viewings right um yeah yeah

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okay um yeah uh this was my pick um I've only seen it a couple of times

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I've never bought it until just now because I don't prefer that over Stephen King's

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version of The Shining the miniseries but I do recommend watching The Shining

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if you want to see a haunted house horror movie Whatever uh

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like you said it's a classic um yes it's a classic because Kubrick

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heads make it a classic well and all right Jack Nicholson's performance yeah okay yes watch this all right so okay

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where's the Actors Studio if you're one of those types then yes Jack Nicholson is the only redeeming thing I think

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about this movie but you're not going to this movie for the story that's what we're saying right essentially okay but

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if you're a fan of Stephen King and you want to see um what he intended from his book I

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haven't read his book but from what I understand um the Stephen King TV series version is

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is more like it it is three discs basically

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um because it was a three night two hour each night series

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um it does actually take place and is filmed in the Stanley Hotel which is

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where Stephen King got the inspiration for the movie he stayed there it's on my

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bucket list to to visit y'all never been there no no I've been there oh my

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goodness Stanley or the Stanley okay Overlook I don't think the Overlook is in Oregon or somewhere

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no the Overlook is in Oregon or something and the out shot I outside

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shots they only filmed there but it actually they filmed The Shining movie

:: 24:37

in London England or something so it wasn't there is really a hotel like that and

:: 24:45

they built a set like the one in Stanley Kubrick's but that's in a different state I think I'm confusing the the real

:: 24:53

one I guess the Stanley the Stanley is it yeah the Stanley we went on a ghost tour there and good news for Philip they

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have a channel on their TV that plays The Shining 24 oh my God I heard that so I did hear that crazy

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um yeah and and there are I just listened to one podcast um let me see what the name of it the

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haunted road with um Amy Bruni um another

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podcast slash ghost show that I watch uh anyway she just did last week an episode

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about the Stanley Hotel so um all kinds of information about that but

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I mean watch them both yeah I mean I'm like I might go so far as consider well

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you know if you if you like haunted movies or haunted house there's a lot

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more ghosts I think and and Stephen King's version sure uh to me it's more fun yeah not as bad language like in the

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other one yeah so I think less pornographic paintings oh my yeah well

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now that's Kubrick and you you know symbolism and I don't know what I think King is by far the more competent

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Storyteller so if you're looking for a competent story Stephen King's The Shining oh yeah as a as a competent

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Storyteller is far superior to in the book let me ask you right quick since you've read the book did the book end

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like this movie ends with the boiler blowing up but Danny

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um actually encouraged his father to let it blow up did it do that did they do

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that his father remember his father winds up being a hero because he he ends up being a hero that's the thing in the

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book he kind of comes out of it a little bit and was like I gotta destroys the

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hotel on the ghost yeah destroys everything and then it ends with um and

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Dick lives and attends his high school it ends with the high school graduation I think it is with Danny in the movie

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yeah and it it turns out I don't know if it's in the movie or not but in the book uh Tony is Danny 10 years in the future

:: 26:59

yes and that this one moves out and um like I said I haven't read it so I was

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hoping that's how it was that's the way it is that the the Stephen King's The Shining miniseries is a lot closer

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Stephen King's in it and he wrote he must approve it yeah and uh but um yeah

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that was one thing because a lot of times I have a problem with how Stephen King ends his stories but this one I

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actually have thought that has to be one of the best endings if if his father is actually the hero

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yeah that's how it ends is Jack Torrance is the hero he goes down there and is with it when it explodes yeah to save

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his family yeah yeah and that to me like uh in the the doxley book like I said the sequel

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is great um and obviously he one of the biggest differences from the movie dog sleep in the the book is the hotel does

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blow up in the book world so he can't go back to it right we're in the movie he as a grown man Danny goes back to him I

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thought that was one of the things was really cool that they like in hindsight you know them deciding not to blow it up

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in the in the in the in the movie like being able to yeah for a movie-wise having that iconic you know and Doctor

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sleep the book they go back to the site of the hotel that it exploded yeah but

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not not the same like he's walking around the same Halls movies walking around the same Halls looking at the door that has red room and the hole in

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it from the ax like all this stuff it's really good movies well I'm gonna go back and watch uh Stanley Kubrick's

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shining then and then I'm gonna rent um yes you're gonna like doctor sleep a

:: 28:33

lot yep all right I'll check it out yeah so all right but yeah I guess

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consider it was the word Phil yeah consider it if you're looking for Classics or you know a horror but yeah

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yeah all right anything else nope all right that is the uh

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The Shining happy Halloween yeah so enjoy this in October all right we are

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out the rift started between Stephen King and Stanley Kubrick almost immediately

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yeah and what I like are about four scenes

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from Jack Nicholson he just seems kind of like a Down and Out loser a little bit if you're a writer and you think

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there's such a thing as writer's Glock then you're full of [ __ ] okay it's a blue collar grinded out story and

:: 29:18

Stephen King doesn't f a round right sure right twisty ride that's going to go off the race well I'm sure it's

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artistic and you just don't get it yeah we're all going to have a real good time I'm gonna murder my family to be a

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famous author he is going to resist the three-act structure come play with those things

:: 29:37

no evil on Sunday you know Kubrick was changing the script constantly the script was allegedly

:: 29:45

changed so many times during production even a couple of times a day that Jack Nicholson uh simply stopped reading it

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yeah what's the point