From Criticism to Cult Classic: The Evolution of John Carpenter's The Thing
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This podcast episode delves into the intricate analysis of John Carpenter's iconic film, "The Thing," examining its themes of paranoia and mistrust that emerge in the isolated setting of an Antarctic research station. Throughout our discussion, we contemplate the film's critical reception and its subsequent rise to cult status, despite its initial box office struggles. We meticulously dissect the film's character dynamics, particularly focusing on McCready’s leadership and the gradual unraveling of trust among the crew. The elaborate and innovative practical effects are also highlighted, showcasing how they contribute to the film's enduring impact on the horror genre. Ultimately, we reflect on the ambiguous ending, inviting listeners to ponder whether the surviving characters are truly human or if the infection remains, leaving us with a lingering sense of dread and uncertainty.
An in-depth exploration of John Carpenter's 1982 horror masterpiece, The Thing, reveals the complexities of isolation, trust, and the human condition. Set in the desolate landscapes of Antarctica, the film presents a group of scientists who encounter a shape-shifting alien that can imitate any living organism. We delve into the psychological aspects of paranoia and the breakdown of relationships among the crew as they grapple with the implications of this alien threat. The discussion touches on the film's initial critical reception, which was less favorable, and contrasts this with its subsequent rise to cult status, highlighting how the practical effects and storytelling have garnered appreciation over time. The episode emphasizes the meticulous craftsmanship of Carpenter, whose direction and vision have left an indelible mark on the horror genre. Through examining specific scenes and character dynamics, we articulate how the film serves as a commentary on the fragility of trust and the existential dread that accompanies the unknown.
Takeaways:
- The analysis of the film reveals the significance of practical effects in creating a lasting impact on audiences.
- The narrative explores the theme of paranoia, emphasizing how mistrust can lead to destructive outcomes among individuals.
- The dialogue suggests that the film's initial reception was mixed, contrasting with its eventual critical acclaim over time.
- The group dynamics and isolation in the film serve as a reflection of human nature when faced with external threats.
- The movie's ambiguous ending leaves viewers questioning the nature of survival and humanity amidst chaos.
- The exploration of ambition and accolades serves as a cautionary tale about the consequences of recklessness in scientific pursuits.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- John Carpenter
- Alien
- Halloween
- Escape From New York
- Big Trouble in Little China
- The Shining
- Cocoon
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Transcript
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Speaker B:Studying a movie in the mechanical level I think can really bring some revelation.
Speaker C:I believe that no one sets out to make a bad movie with the exception of.
Speaker D:On paper.
Speaker D:This should work.
Speaker B:This should work.
Speaker D:I just don't like it.
Speaker A:That's your own fault if you haven't seen it.
Speaker B:Way over budget.
Speaker B:Start cutting scenes.
Speaker B:Even the actors don't know what that movie is about.
Speaker B:Shit, I wrote that.
Speaker C:Which I love the title, but that movie's trash.
Speaker B:Well, told me a man.
Speaker B:It's good for you.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Fellowship with real four friends in a movie.
Speaker B:This was my pick.
Speaker B:John Carpenter's the Thing.
Speaker B:So another movie in our four movie tribute to Halloween.
Speaker B:So in October we're going to have one movie a week.
Speaker B:We picked four scary movies.
Speaker B:Sherry picked the Shining, I picked the Thing.
Speaker B:And so we're going to talk about that.
Speaker B: This movie came out what,: Speaker B:June 25th was the release.
Speaker B:It had a budget of $15 million, so not a whole lot of money.
Speaker B:I have a feeling that the marketing division did not do this movie justice.
Speaker B:It had a domestic gross of 19 million on a 15 million and an international gross of $2,000.
Speaker B:So what, did they release it one day somewhere overseas?
Speaker B:$2,955 international gross for a total worldwide of 19,632,000.
Speaker B:Now, I say the marketing division because the critics and the fans generally like this movie.
Speaker B:83% for the critics gave it three and a half stars or higher.
Speaker B:And 92% of the fans love this movie and I love this movie.
Speaker D:I think that's kind of a misleading thing.
Speaker D:When it was released, from what I understand, critics did not really praise.
Speaker D:They thought the special effects were overboard by quite a bit.
Speaker D:It really caught on with home movie rental.
Speaker D:It really caught on fire there.
Speaker D:But I mean, I could be wrong.
Speaker D:I was born at that point.
Speaker D:So I don't know what they would say.
Speaker B:Well, no, that does.
Speaker B:I do remember now that you mentioned it, reading something about how critics sort of panned this movie when it came out, which is unfortunate because like I said it did.
Speaker B:It has garnered much higher praise in the years following and probably the home video market has done that for it.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's got to the point I thought of this.
Speaker D: current area, current era of: Speaker D:So yes, I think this is a shining example.
Speaker B:Yeah, this this.
Speaker B:The creature effects in this movie, I think, are every bit as good as, say, even Alien.
Speaker B:Like some of the effects in Alien, like the monster in this one.
Speaker B:The creep factor, the skin crawl factor is right up there on some of these scenes.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker B:Even a.
Speaker B:Even a viewing of Today.
Speaker B:Like, I watched it this morning and made my notes.
Speaker B:I watched it before, and then I watched it one more time this morning to make my notes.
Speaker B:And the creep factor is still there every time you see it.
Speaker B:So it's very well done.
Speaker B:I think as far as the special effects, there's.
Speaker D:There's one thing that bugs me.
Speaker D:And we'll get to it when we kick into the story and I.
Speaker D:Yeah, I'll tell you about it and it'll.
Speaker D:And it may answer the reason why it wasn't so big overseas.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:All right, that's a teaser for you.
Speaker B:Gotcha.
Speaker B:Again, we're doing four scary movies, and generally they're going to be the genre Monster in the House.
Speaker B:I think this is a monster in the house.
Speaker B:The monster is the thing.
Speaker B:The house is the research station, which seems to have several names on the sign.
Speaker B:It says Research Station Number four.
Speaker B:I think throughout the movie they refer to it as Station 31 sometimes.
Speaker B:So I don't know if they could nail down the actual name of their station.
Speaker B:But there is a cut of camera cut where it says U.S.
Speaker B:research Station Number 4.
Speaker D:But it's an American outpost on Antarctica.
Speaker D:Antarctica.
Speaker D:Yeah, essentially.
Speaker B:Essentially.
Speaker B:So the house is the research station.
Speaker B:The sin I had a little trouble with.
Speaker B:But there is reference to one of the characters saying to another, we need to burn all this.
Speaker B:And one of the character responding says, we can't burn that.
Speaker B:That's somebody's Nobel Prize, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:So I think ambition and accolade and pride in digging this up to.
Speaker B:To get the Nobel Prize or get accolades is the sin.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker C:I feel like maybe.
Speaker C:And I haven't seen the prequel with the.
Speaker C:I guess there's a prequel out there that tells what happened at the Norwegian camp.
Speaker C:I feel like maybe those things could maybe speak to that just based off the footage and stuff they show in this one.
Speaker C:To me, I felt like it was more like the theme, if there is one, is more like paranoia and mistrust.
Speaker C:Like they don't.
Speaker C:Even before I feel like shit hits the fan, there's kind of like.
Speaker C:Especially McCready and Childs are kind of going back and forth a little bit.
Speaker C:Like, I feel like there's like they, like.
Speaker C:I mean, the opening image for McCready.
Speaker C:He's in his hut.
Speaker C:Alone.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Playing against computer.
Speaker C:When there's like, what, 12 other guys he could be talking to right there.
Speaker B:There is definitely personality friction between some of these characters.
Speaker C:I guess part of their not knowing who the thing is.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:As the movie gets going.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Their mistrust and paranormal each other is what leads to, you know, the way it ends up, I guess.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:These guys don't strike me.
Speaker D:Not all of them don't strike me as scientists.
Speaker D:Military.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like, it's kind of a miss.
Speaker D:Almost like a penal colony.
Speaker B:Well, some of it.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, I think Palmer and McCready, the pilots.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then there's a dog.
Speaker B:I kept calling him Cooper, but it's Copper.
Speaker B:Copper and Blair, the doctors.
Speaker B:I had to learn their names so I could keep track of who was getting whacked at what point.
Speaker B:But, like, Gary is the sheriff or the security.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's almost like when you were in Cook, you know, it's almost like when you're in the Navy, you have a mix of people doing.
Speaker B:It's like an institution.
Speaker B:They set up different roles.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I got a.
Speaker C:I got a kick out of the.
Speaker C:The communications guy.
Speaker C:His name is Windows.
Speaker B:Windows, yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, that, you know, I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah, so that's money.
Speaker B:Critics, fans, it's generally like.
Speaker B:But I think, like James says, initially it was pan.
Speaker B:I think it became big in the home market.
Speaker B:I like this movie.
Speaker B:I like John Carpenter, generally.
Speaker B:Like, a lot.
Speaker B:A lot of his movies.
Speaker D:He's got a lot of good ones.
Speaker D:Escape From New York.
Speaker C:Yeah, both of them.
Speaker C:I mean, New York and LA are both him is what I meant.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker B:New York is better, I think.
Speaker D:And then.
Speaker D:I can't believe I said.
Speaker D:I didn't say Halloween first, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That movie terrorized me.
Speaker B:Was a kid.
Speaker C:Big trouble in Little China.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:And that's probably my absolute most comfort movie right there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And Trouble.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Spinal Tap.
Speaker D:Like, those are my comfortable.
Speaker C:You crazy.
Speaker C:Is that your problem?
Speaker B:Anyway, yeah.
Speaker B:So generally, I'm a fan of John Carpenter and I like this movie.
Speaker B:Now, the opening image as we get into the structure here, I definitely like this movie.
Speaker B:I'm not sure this opening sequence is in step with the rest of the movie.
Speaker B:They got.
Speaker B:You got this almost animated crashing of the saucer right at the beginning of the movie.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I guess if I'm not a fan of any part of the movie, that's it.
Speaker D:It had the same exact vibe as Predator.
Speaker D:Predator has the same thing it opens up on Earth.
Speaker D:Spaceship coming in and crashing.
Speaker D:It's like in this movie specifically.
Speaker D:And Predator.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:You don't need it.
Speaker C:I'm pretty sure it's the same footage in both movies I'm playing.
Speaker D:It could.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker D:They're very reminiscent of each other.
Speaker C:They are very rem.
Speaker D:But they're not needed.
Speaker B:Ye.
Speaker B:I didn't feel like it was needed.
Speaker B:And it seemed almost cartoonish and out of step to me with the rest of the movie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, if you don't realize there's things from outer space without that, then.
Speaker B:Well, they go to visit the ship in the ice later and you clearly see it.
Speaker C:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:With some cool matte painting stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's like a double.
Speaker D:A hat on a hat.
Speaker D:A double chip, if you will.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Phil and I was talking about this like it's probably some producer.
Speaker C:From a note from some fucking producer was like, ah, dude, is it clear that these are the things Alien.
Speaker C:Let's put a bit in there at the beginning about a spaceship.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's like, just look at it.
Speaker C:Because the thing did it.
Speaker C:And then later on, what, five years later, in 87, when they're doing Predator, some producer probably used that as his example.
Speaker C:The thing did it.
Speaker C:Fucking put it in.
Speaker D:As if looking at.
Speaker D:It's not clear enough that it's from another.
Speaker C:You're not paying attention.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Go watch the Shining or something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This movie opens up almost.
Speaker B:What they call in the middle of things in media res is the idea that it opens.
Speaker B:You're opening up.
Speaker B:You're starting the story right in the middle of the action.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I think that's what's happening.
Speaker B:So you're opening up with this.
Speaker B:The hunting of the dog by the neighboring station.
Speaker B:A very chaotic scene.
Speaker B:I think this is effective because as an audience carpenter had to know they're gonna be on the side of the dog.
Speaker B:You see a dog.
Speaker B:You see a dog, you're instantly drawn in.
Speaker B:Don't hurt the dog.
Speaker C:That's my first note is.
Speaker A:That's what I was saying.
Speaker C:Sniper's a dick if you don't know what's going on.
Speaker C:You know, like you're trying to shoot a dog.
Speaker C:What the hell?
Speaker C:I hope you fall out of the helicopter, dude, and break your neck.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is exactly what.
Speaker C:What they want.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They welcome the dog, they protect the dog.
Speaker B:And what they've done is bring in.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:But the first time that thing shows up, I said, they should have shot that dog.
Speaker C:Oh, for sure.
Speaker C:But it's too late at that point.
Speaker C:Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker C:So that's the brilliance is at first, no, no, no.
Speaker C:Don't shoot the dog, dude.
Speaker C:I hope you die.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:And then, like, Sherry's saying later, when it comes out of the dog, you're like, oh, they should have shot the dog.
Speaker C:Damn it.
Speaker D:Okay, can we go back?
Speaker D:So it's my turn to blow your mind.
Speaker D:That was my teaser, so it might not have done well overseas.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Is because when the helicopter lands, the Norwegian shooting at him, the guy gets out with a rifle and said, that's not a dog.
Speaker D:That's an alien.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Get away from that.
Speaker D:I'm gonna kill it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Oh, Translated.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that's what he says in Norwegian.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So other people who were able to understand Norwegian.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:They're like, that's.
Speaker D:That's an alien.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Ruin the movie.
Speaker D:So if any of the guys had spoken Norwegian, they would have gotten away and.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's terrible.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's like having subtitles on the 6th century saying dead guy says, you know, when it's Bruce Willis, you know, like, really?
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker D:That's.
Speaker C:You had one job, man.
Speaker D:I was paraphrasing.
Speaker D:I do not speak Norwegian.
Speaker C:So we get the alien spaceship, but we don't get the.
Speaker C:Like, we got to cut something.
Speaker C:Cut their dialogue.
Speaker C:That spoils the whole thing for.
Speaker D:Well, that's.
Speaker D:You know, that's what he says.
Speaker D:That's what he's saying is get away.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, but, like, anyone that speaks that, like, that's crazy.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker C:Jackasses.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Rooting for the dog.
Speaker D:And you don't know.
Speaker D:He's trying to tell you.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker D:And then he gets shot in the head.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Gary shoots him.
Speaker C:And I like that even too.
Speaker C:Like, the.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, you deserve to get shot.
Speaker C:You're trying to kill a dog.
Speaker B:Fuck you.
Speaker C:And you.
Speaker C:And just.
Speaker C:I think you're automatically on board with the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The guys at the.
Speaker C:At the.
Speaker C:The camp or whatever, because all of a sudden, here, these crazy assholes show up chasing a dog.
Speaker C:They got guns.
Speaker C:Like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker B:Shot in the leg, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah, he shoots one of the guys in the leg.
Speaker D:But also he.
Speaker C:After the leg, McCready kneels down to him, goes, hey, man, are you okay?
Speaker C:McCready had his.
Speaker C:His alcohol or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And McCready just leaves it in the snow to.
Speaker C:To take off.
Speaker C:The guy goes, I'm fine.
Speaker C:He immediately picks it up and takes a sip.
Speaker C:The guy that got shot in the leg?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Thought that was funny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, you can.
Speaker C:Shot in the leg.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Take a.
Speaker C:Take a sip, you know.
Speaker D:Well, they.
Speaker D:I don't think it comes across in the film, but the helicopter chases that dog from the Norwegian Scientific.
Speaker B:It's an hour away by flight, they say, so.
Speaker D:Miles and miles and miles.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:And nobody in this American camp is like, huh, yeah.
Speaker D:This dog is running miles and miles and miles in Antarctica.
Speaker D:These dogs aren't native.
Speaker C:There's no dogs.
Speaker C:Well, I think I'm with you, James.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:They never even think about it.
Speaker B:But there is nobody to question that because there's the hand grenade fiasco.
Speaker B:The helicopter blows up and then the other guy gets killed.
Speaker B:So at that point, they're left with a bunch of questions, which, sure, we'll get into, but you have to take.
Speaker D:This random dog in that part annoyed.
Speaker C:Me, like, the way they shot it.
Speaker C:Like, it slipped out of his hand.
Speaker C:So weird, right?
Speaker B:Like, well, you went to throw it, it went behind him.
Speaker C:I mean, it's like you threw a bear.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:It was weird.
Speaker D:Gloves on and his hands were numb from flying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, it.
Speaker C:Very.
Speaker D:Well, I.
Speaker D:I know I'm putting.
Speaker B:No, I mean, that's just.
Speaker C:That annoyed me, like, not the fact that it happened just the way they.
Speaker C:They did it.
Speaker C:Like, I don't know.
Speaker C:Have him.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Other ways to do it, I guess.
Speaker D:I'd rather eat a grenade than have a monster.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Absolutely clone me.
Speaker B:So for sure.
Speaker B:Opening image.
Speaker B:Still quiet day to day.
Speaker B:Okay, so we get the scene of their life here, which is, you know, them playing pinball and this kind of thing.
Speaker B:Quiet day to day.
Speaker B:McCree.
Speaker B:McCree's playing chess and he loses.
Speaker B:And he pours the drink.
Speaker C:Some cheating.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this here's a guy that doesn't take losing very well.
Speaker B:You know, I said, doesn't like to lose lives apart from the others in his own quarters.
Speaker B:You know, like Chris was saying.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, I don't know where you're going.
Speaker C:Going with that, but I guess there was two things I noticed is to me, as far as character setup, here's a guy who's playing chess, right?
Speaker C:So to me, I was establishing maybe, you know, a little bit more like intelligence.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:And a guy who can.
Speaker C:Can think several steps ahead kind of thing.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And that's going to come useful down.
Speaker B:The road, I think this is.
Speaker C:And then even the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:Even a little bit of the mistrust, like, here's a machine, like, you know, accusing the Machine of cheating.
Speaker C:And a guy who's willing to, like you said, doesn't Takes losing so poorly, willing to sabotage like he fried that to where he's probably not playing chess anymore.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:I think that also plays into later in the.
Speaker C:In the movie when he decides to, you know, torch the camp or whatever.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:We're not getting out of here.
Speaker C:And he's, you know, it's the same thing as cheating and then.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:No, it is definitely a.
Speaker B:Because you want to establish character by his actions, you know, And I think, I think so.
Speaker B:I think he's established pretty good.
Speaker B:You know, he's going to be the.
Speaker B:Not necessarily loner, but he is going to be the leader.
Speaker B:Chosen as the leader later and is comfortable on his own and self reliant and this kind of thing.
Speaker C:Why don't we put Blair in your shack?
Speaker C:Because I don't want him in my shack.
Speaker C:Sorry, jumped way ahead.
Speaker B:Well, they make him move his stuff out of the storage room too, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, sorry, man.
Speaker C:All right, go ahead.
Speaker B:Anyway, so that's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:We get this opening image of MacCready.
Speaker B:We get sort of a feel for the camp, the setup.
Speaker B:The only thing we really learn is.
Speaker B:I'm not sure what they're researching, but it's a research station of the United States.
Speaker C:The effects of alcohol and isolation.
Speaker D:Long, long term ice exposure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Number four is.
Speaker C:McCready comes out with is the bottle in his hand when the shit's coming on like zero.
Speaker C:Zero shit's given.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker B:No, no, that's.
Speaker B:So this is the setup.
Speaker B:This is, you know, we're a research station in Antarctica.
Speaker B:Number four, catalyst.
Speaker B:Okay, so quite couldn't necessarily nail it down, but Norwegian station.
Speaker C:The Norwegian stated it for you, Phil.
Speaker C:What do you mean you couldn't figure it out?
Speaker B:Yeah, they come in shooting.
Speaker B:The dog must die.
Speaker B:Norwegians are both killed.
Speaker B:One by Gary the security guy.
Speaker B:I guess he's the.
Speaker B:I guess he's in charge.
Speaker B:They say later, you know, one in a great grenade mishap.
Speaker B:So the catalyst is this big fat WTF what the fuck Mystery that the Norwegians have basically just dumped in their lap.
Speaker B:It's the first week of winter, they're out of radio contact and the Norwegians have only been there eight weeks.
Speaker B:Not enough to go bonkers, they'll say later.
Speaker B:So there's this big mystery that sort of happens upon them.
Speaker B:And I think this.
Speaker B:I think as we get into it, I think we're going to see that there may.
Speaker B:And you can see if you thought differently, Chris.
Speaker B:But I think there's a double bump catalyst in this.
Speaker B:In this story.
Speaker C:So the dog showing up and them kind of throwing this in their lap.
Speaker D:Can I go back to this?
Speaker D:I was looking for it.
Speaker D:This is exactly what he says.
Speaker D:Get the hell out of here.
Speaker D:That's not a dog.
Speaker D:It's some sort of thing.
Speaker D:It's imitating a dog.
Speaker D:It isn't real.
Speaker D:Get away, you idiots.
Speaker C:Damn.
Speaker D:That's what he says in Norwegian.
Speaker B:So it's the plot.
Speaker C:It just shows you that like.
Speaker C:And you know.
Speaker C:And obviously in 82 they didn't think much about like international box office because they knew.
Speaker C:All right, this will be in Norwegian.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Most Americans won't speak that.
Speaker C:We're not going to lay subtitles on it.
Speaker C:So nobody will.
Speaker C:Most Americans won't get it.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:But yeah, as soon as they show it over there they're like, oh, thanks.
Speaker B:Pollard.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:So this is the catalyst.
Speaker C:American, Norwegian talking about the movie or whatever.
Speaker C:Can you imagine, man, the reveal at the end.
Speaker C:That was what they told you exactly.
Speaker C:At the beginning.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And McCready keeps calling them Swedes.
Speaker C:And yes, I thought that's very funny.
Speaker C:They're not sweetened.
Speaker B:They're normal.
Speaker B:It's not Swedes.
Speaker D:Fun fact.
Speaker D:Swedes and nor Norwegians don't really get along.
Speaker D:They make fun of each other.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:I wonder if like McCready knew that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And so he's calling him Sweden.
Speaker C:Like Sweden on purpose.
Speaker D:No, he's all.
Speaker D:He's red blooded America.
Speaker B:They're all the same.
Speaker C:All the same.
Speaker B:Okay, then we move into this debate.
Speaker B:What do we do?
Speaker B:We need to report it.
Speaker B:Do we visit the camp?
Speaker B:It's bad weather.
Speaker B:Is it worth the risk?
Speaker B:Palmer says he'll go and they.
Speaker B:We don't want you, Palmer.
Speaker B:Oh, thanks for thinking about it though.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Very quick.
Speaker B:Palmer appears to be a little on the fringe and they don't.
Speaker B:They want McCready.
Speaker B:Doctor is going to go with them.
Speaker B:Doc Cooper an hour flight away to the other station.
Speaker B:So off they go.
Speaker B:And then there's this.
Speaker B:Now there's gonna be some red herrings I think in this movie.
Speaker C:Some.
Speaker B:Some misdirects this kind of thing.
Speaker B:The dog makes a visit to who we see the shadow of him on the wall only.
Speaker B:But we're.
Speaker B:When McCready and then fly off the dog comes down the hall and goes into a bedroom or one of the bunks.
Speaker D:The fun thing about that is animals are notorious.
Speaker D:Like they don't take Direction.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:That dog did that entire walk down the hallway and the pauses and the looks all on its own.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker D:They just had the camera going.
Speaker B:Oh my gosh.
Speaker D:So they just one in a million shot.
Speaker D:They got.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I don't know like.
Speaker B:Because I wrote down at the end, I wrote down the order in which they are taken over, but I don't know who this character is.
Speaker B:I suspect that it may be.
Speaker B:And I can't remember his name right now.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Clark the dog.
Speaker B:The dog handler.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker C:And watch Clark, watch him closely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then it was specifically left ambiguous.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think it is a misdirect.
Speaker B:Definitely.
Speaker B:You know, whatever.
Speaker B:They get to the other camp, the other.
Speaker C:Because to be fair, the.
Speaker C:The dog didn't do anything.
Speaker C:We know that now.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker C:I mean, because it's still in the dog later, right?
Speaker D:No, it.
Speaker D:It multiplies itself.
Speaker C:Oh no, you're right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:So there could be several.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know what I was watching.
Speaker C:At one point thinking it was just one.
Speaker C:But yeah, it only does multiply itself because there's several times when you think they kill it and then it.
Speaker C:They didn't because it's still.
Speaker C:It had multiplied already.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:The other camp has.
Speaker B:Has experienced and I just.
Speaker B:Just because of the.
Speaker B:Of watching the mist and experience a problem of sub magnitude.
Speaker B:Some of.
Speaker B:Some of it seemingly self inflicted.
Speaker B:They find the guy who's cut his own throat.
Speaker B:Cooper is astounded and he is a doctor.
Speaker B:But Creed, he doesn't seem too shaken up about all this guy who's cut his note.
Speaker B:And McCready takes it like.
Speaker C:Like yeah, these Swedes, man.
Speaker B:Well, it just seems like he's experienced some of this before and has gotten a certain callousness to it.
Speaker B:Whereas Doc.
Speaker B:Doc Cooper.
Speaker B:I wrote down Cooper every time.
Speaker B:But it's Copper.
Speaker B:I don't know why I wrote Cooper Copper.
Speaker C:It's not Cooper.
Speaker C:I swear.
Speaker C:They called him Cooper.
Speaker B:That's what I thought and then.
Speaker B:But like in IMDb it's listed as Copper.
Speaker B:And I think Gary calls him Copper and I'm like Copper.
Speaker B:Okay, well anyway.
Speaker B:But a doctor is more shaken up by this than MacCready.
Speaker B:Which seemed to indicate to me that McCready had a past.
Speaker B:Like he's a little bit.
Speaker D:He seems to me like he's an old Vietnam pilot.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker D:Really?
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:Yeah, something like that.
Speaker B:A colder approach.
Speaker B:He has to it they find the ice crypt debate further what it could all mean.
Speaker B:Evidence of mass destruction by fire Burned up in a hurry.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:What is that a man in there?
Speaker B:They find this.
Speaker B:These corpses all burned up.
Speaker B:Back to home base number four.
Speaker B:The dog is watching.
Speaker B:There's several scenes, I think, that are effective of the dog keeping an eye on things, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:When it's underneath the pool table.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, the tennis table.
Speaker C:Let's watch him.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:The autopsy of the burned remains from the Norwegian camp.
Speaker B:You can almost see them debating as they stand around looking at it.
Speaker B:What does it all mean?
Speaker C:I really like that shot you talking about when they're all standing around the table of the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:Is that a man thing laying there?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I really like that shot because it just.
Speaker C:Like they could have so many different ways he could have shot it.
Speaker C:And, like, I like how he.
Speaker C:As they go around the table, like, they're actually standing in the way.
Speaker C:Like the camera's behind them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, you see a little bit of the.
Speaker C:Because you're obviously.
Speaker C:What you want to see is what's on the table.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:So you're looking at you like, oh, what the hell is that?
Speaker C:And then there's dude in your way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, no, you pass the guy and.
Speaker C:There'S a little bit more.
Speaker C:And then, oh, shit, there's another guy on your way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's really cool the way they did it, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, it's like, get the hell out.
Speaker C:Of the way, man.
Speaker C:I want to see what's on the table.
Speaker B:You know, we're going to get to see plenty, I think.
Speaker B:So Doc Cooper and Blair do the autopsy while Windows, the radio operator, still can't get anybody on the line.
Speaker B:Things seem to return to normal.
Speaker B:Clark, the dog handler, is ordered to put the dog in with the others.
Speaker C:Just a quick question.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:That's the scene where.
Speaker C:Where was it?
Speaker C:Wilford Brinley.
Speaker C:Always want to call him Quaker Oatmeal Man.
Speaker C:But that's the scene where he has the pencil, right.
Speaker C:And he's talking to him.
Speaker C:Or is that later?
Speaker B:That's later.
Speaker C:Later.
Speaker C:Okay, shut up then.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, I had a question about.
Speaker B:That because right now I think they're still debating about what it means, but they don't know what it means.
Speaker B:So life sort of returns to normal after this.
Speaker C:No, you're right.
Speaker C:With the.
Speaker C:After the dog is when they're doing it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they've had a catalyst with the Norwegians and the discovery of all this, but they don't know what to do and they can't reach anybody.
Speaker B:So it seems to Settle down.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:We're given a double bump.
Speaker B:Almost immediately, the thing emerges from the dog, Right?
Speaker B:So they put the dog in the.
Speaker B:In the kennel.
Speaker B:Clark goes to investigate.
Speaker B:After he hears the dogs crying, doesn't like what he sees.
Speaker B:The monster comes out.
Speaker B:Childs gets the flamethrower.
Speaker B:And he's like, like.
Speaker B:And again, MacReady is very quick to act.
Speaker B:Everybody else is, like, flat on their feet.
Speaker B:Even Childs with the flamethrower is hesitating.
Speaker B:But McCready is like, I like man.
Speaker C:Of action, you know, the gnolls and goes to Childs as he's like, you know, getting dressed, still, like, still in his room.
Speaker C:And he's like, recruit.
Speaker C:He wants to fly.
Speaker C:It says, get the flamethrower.
Speaker C:Recruiter wants the what?
Speaker C:That's what he said, man.
Speaker C:God damn it.
Speaker C:And putting on his face, like, cracks me up.
Speaker C:He wants the what?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But McCready is all action.
Speaker B:He's like, ready.
Speaker C:So as soon as he shows up, he's still not fast enough.
Speaker C:I'm like, get your ass in here.
Speaker B:Is what he.
Speaker C:What he tells Childs.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:McCready is always the first to react.
Speaker B:Others are in denial.
Speaker B:Clark or slow Childs.
Speaker B:And finally, they torch it.
Speaker B:It almost gets away.
Speaker B:They torch it.
Speaker B:Another autopsy by Blair.
Speaker B:Here's where he does the pencil thing.
Speaker B:Learns it's an organism that imitates other organisms.
Speaker D: And he uses: Speaker C:Yes, it was cool, like, the way they delivered the information.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like I was still.
Speaker C:I was before we get to that.
Speaker C:He has a pencil, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:I swear to God, he touches the thing with the end of his pencil, like when he's pointing, like, lays it on this mess.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then he puts it on his mouth later.
Speaker C:I'm like, you're infected now, buddy.
Speaker C:Probably, like.
Speaker C:But any.
Speaker C:I don't know, mistake or intentional.
Speaker C:But anyhow, that was my question.
Speaker C:If y' all saw that too, and does he touch himself?
Speaker B:I may not have picked up on that.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I know that Wilford Brimley wasn't there for the whole shoot.
Speaker D:That kind of helps explain his absence through a big chunks of the movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:They locked him in.
Speaker D:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker C:I'm good now.
Speaker C:I want to come out.
Speaker B:I really want to come back in there, you know?
Speaker B:All right, so debate number two.
Speaker B:So double bump.
Speaker B:Again, the thing emerges.
Speaker B:They seem to have another debate.
Speaker B:Mistrust sets in.
Speaker B:They review the tapes from the Norwegians and see that they've Dug this thing out of the ice.
Speaker B:They were digging something up northeast of their camp.
Speaker B:And so now they get in the helicopter and go to this place.
Speaker B:So it's almost sort of a repeat of what they've done before.
Speaker B:Going to the Norwegian camp.
Speaker B:Now they're getting in to go to where the spaceship is.
Speaker C: But we skipped over the: Speaker C:Software stuff.
Speaker D:Oh, the computer.
Speaker B:I don't think he.
Speaker C:That's not happening yet.
Speaker B:75% chance.
Speaker B:I don't think that happens yet.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Like, I was into that.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like I was reading it and like, to me, like, it.
Speaker C:It still hit like 75 of you guys.
Speaker C:Hell yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Chance of.
Speaker C:Yeah, that still is like, you know, because that.
Speaker B:That's his.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Sorry I jumped ahead there.
Speaker D:I was.
Speaker D:I just had to point that out of.
Speaker D:They put a really expensive computer that can do all that figuring in Antarctica.
Speaker D:Like what?
Speaker B:Well, that, you know, it's a research facility.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's research.
Speaker D:Maybe.
Speaker D:So maybe they were doing a viral testing down there.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker D:Well, yeah, maybe it'd be infectious diseases.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker C:Now they're going to check out the.
Speaker B:Up in the helicopter to go McCready and two others find the ship.
Speaker B:It's Vance McCready.
Speaker B:And I never did get who the third guy was that went with them because I was trying to keep track of who everybody was at all the times.
Speaker B:And they're wearing masks so I couldn't see who the third guy was with.
Speaker B:It was Vance and McCready and third guy.
Speaker B:It does not important he doesn't die here.
Speaker B:So another debate.
Speaker B:Childs cannot believe he keeps calling this voodoo.
Speaker C:I don't believe this voodoo bullshit.
Speaker B:I don't believe this voodoo.
Speaker B:Palmer said.
Speaker B:Palmer, you know, fringe.
Speaker B:Oh, it happens all the time.
Speaker B:They're dropping out of the skies.
Speaker B:They control South America.
Speaker B:Palmer's like, yeah, you know, the sun comes up, aliens drop.
Speaker B:That's the way it is.
Speaker B:You know, they tried to debate what it is.
Speaker C:I think he's wearing a vet jacket.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Nobody wants to fly with Palmer.
Speaker B:They try to debate what it is.
Speaker B:Blair, when asked, look, just ponders as the scene ends.
Speaker B:Nulls finds underwear in his kitchen.
Speaker D:Nasty drawers.
Speaker B:Nasty drawers, you know, indicating.
Speaker B:I wrote down.
Speaker B:Is this another red herring?
Speaker B:Because I'm not sure that we ever find out whose they are, but.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Was that part of the thing discarding its clothes or was that just somebody being nasty?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It was disturbing to me that McCready, like, handled them.
Speaker C:Like, if those aren't Your nasty drawers.
Speaker C:I'm not touching those.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:They're not mine, but he grabbed them and moved them and.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, but again, that could be all.
Speaker C:Fall under the umbrella of not phased by anything.
Speaker C:You've seen Some did, right?
Speaker B:No, Nothing is facing McCready.
Speaker B:This is where he's like.
Speaker C:I don't know what the hell you asked me for.
Speaker C:Ask him.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:When they're talking about the aliens, you know, Blair ponders, this is when the voodoo bullshit.
Speaker B:You believe this dog?
Speaker B:He does some.
Speaker B:This is your computer scene.
Speaker B:James does some research, comes to the conclusion about the rate of infection.
Speaker B:75% chance that someone is infected.
Speaker B:27,000 hours after first contact.
Speaker B:The entire population, which Sherry figured, what was like three years.
Speaker A:Oh, I forgot.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker A:I don't remember.
Speaker B:I think it came out to be like three years after first contact.
Speaker A:Sounds about right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:At this point, we have not broken into two as a story, but Blair has his own, what I call personal break into two.
Speaker B:Because Blair sees this and then grabs the gun and he's gonna.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So he breaks into two, I think, way before everybody else.
Speaker C:Yeah, this is.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:I was gonna say part of the fun and games.
Speaker C:But you're saying he breaks into two.
Speaker B:For everybody because he's gonna.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker C:You know, they go into the ship.
Speaker C:Is there.
Speaker C:Breaking into two, like, after the dog's done its thing.
Speaker B:And I think it's still.
Speaker B:I think it's still debate transfer.
Speaker B:Catalyst debate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But you may see it differently because I have.
Speaker B:Once we get through this, you'll see that I think that there is.
Speaker B:It's not structured completely like we want to think.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Anyway, I think Blair has his own personal break into.
Speaker B:He grabs the gun.
Speaker B:So he's already going to take action to stop this.
Speaker B:The others, I think, are still debating Windows, and he's sometimes called George, sometimes called Bennings.
Speaker B:George Bennings.
Speaker B:Move the thing into the storeroom where McCready was keeping his stuff.
Speaker B:He's got to move out Windows.
Speaker C:This is where his stuff was in there.
Speaker C:Like he's got his own check.
Speaker B:Yeah, but apparently he had stuff stored in there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I thought, was that where he's staying?
Speaker B:But then I remember, no, he's staying.
Speaker C:Weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyhow, Windows wants to burn it all.
Speaker B:George says, can't burn the find of the century.
Speaker B:This will win somebody the Nobel Prize.
Speaker B:And so I thought that's when, you know, having discovered this thing, they dig it.
Speaker B:Up and.
Speaker B:Because even McQueen will say, and the Norwegians dug it up, you know, not thinking, okay, well, this is Alien.
Speaker B:Any possible problems with this?
Speaker B:You know, at least George thinks that it's somebody's Nobel Prize.
Speaker B:No, people get rich off this, you know.
Speaker C:Well, Alien came out in 79.
Speaker C:This was an 80s.
Speaker C:So they were up there.
Speaker C:Like the alien hadn't.
Speaker C:The movie hadn't gotten to the Antarctica yet.
Speaker C:So they didn't know.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well, they weren't afraid yet.
Speaker C:Yeah, they weren't afraid.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I just wrote down, is this the sin, ambition, riches, accolade?
Speaker B:You know, I think.
Speaker B:I think the theme of mistrust definitely is there.
Speaker B:But had they left it alone, none of this would have happened.
Speaker B:And why did they dig it up and then they're filming themselves, you know, and.
Speaker B:Because they want evidence.
Speaker B:They want to hear.
Speaker B:Fuchs wants to talk to Mac because I guess at this point, Blair has locked himself or has gone away because Fuchs can't find Blair.
Speaker B:Fuchs wants to talk Mac.
Speaker B:George is left alone with the thing.
Speaker B:As Windows goes to Gary to get the keys to the storeroom.
Speaker B:Fuchs tells Max Blair's theory because I guess he's gone through his notebook.
Speaker C:Yeah, but he won't even say it, like, in front of the other guys.
Speaker C:He agrees to meet in the snowmobile or whatever.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He does not want to spread these theories just yet.
Speaker B:But he.
Speaker B:He goes to Mac, not Gary.
Speaker B:Gary is the leader.
Speaker B:Gary is the guy in charge, apparently.
Speaker C:But that's the sheriff guy, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:But he is drawn to Mac, naturally, as the one to handle these kind of things.
Speaker C:We make it quick.
Speaker C:I'm getting tired, man.
Speaker C:It's getting cold in here.
Speaker C:Like, I like how is.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, it's 40 below.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Didn't give a shit.
Speaker C:It was like, I'm tired.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, like he.
Speaker C:To.
Speaker C:To your point, he's the.
Speaker C:He's the natural leader in there.
Speaker C:The guy they go to, but he doesn't want to be even.
Speaker C:No, just leave me alone.
Speaker C:Wanna be in my shack?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm tired.
Speaker B:It's cold, you know?
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Play some chess.
Speaker C:Oh, wait, I can't do that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Windows discovers George ain't George no more.
Speaker B:So this is the first confirmed George I have.
Speaker B:Is the first confirmed takeover by the alien.
Speaker B:May not be, but it's the first one we see of this group.
Speaker B:Windows discovers George ain't George no more.
Speaker B:And so now I think we've had this double bump and now they have to deal with it.
Speaker B:So here's where I'm calling it.
Speaker B:The rest of the break into two.
Speaker B:I think Blair's already made his break, but I think the rest of the.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, because.
Speaker C:I mean that.
Speaker C:I was thinking it was earlier, but that does mesh with what I was just talking about.
Speaker C:But I'm tired.
Speaker C:It's 40 below.
Speaker C:Like, he's.
Speaker C:That's not a break in the two kind of guy, right?
Speaker B:No, no, he.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:That's a.
Speaker C:I don't want to.
Speaker C:In denial and debating.
Speaker C:I don't want to debate this.
Speaker C:But then as soon as that happens, he goes running in there, and then he's all on board.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Let's deal with this thing after that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:When Windows leaves through.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So a couple of.
Speaker B:You know, I'm always looking for doors.
Speaker B:Windows leaves through the storeroom door.
Speaker B:Fuchsia Mac exit the vehicle.
Speaker B:Doors into the second act.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:Your little doors and windows.
Speaker B:Doors and windows thing, man.
Speaker B:You know, that's cool.
Speaker C:I think about that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They get out of the.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:Now, it's a really good trick, by the way.
Speaker D:That really helps me when I watch movies.
Speaker D:That's what I'm looking out for.
Speaker C:You know, he's doing the Leonardo graphic.
Speaker C:I always call him Crappio Leonardo.
Speaker C:I can't even say his name properly now.
Speaker C:Anyhow, the.
Speaker C:The meme from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's what I pictured you doing whenever you see Doors.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:The snapping and the point.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's pretty much me watching tv, watching movies.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:No, but I just mean when you see something that feels to go back.
Speaker D:To the Rocky 2 episode, I was like.
Speaker D:I think I got the second beat.
Speaker D:Like.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:Nailed it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So it's.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Philip, you've helped me notate notice when the second and third acts happen.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Now this is it.
Speaker B:I wrote it down at 47 minutes into the movie of an hour and 48 minute.
Speaker B:So I think it's a little.
Speaker B:But I think that that's not sloppy.
Speaker B:I think that's intentional.
Speaker B:And I'll.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:Maybe, like, a little late, but.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And maybe that's why I was having a problem with it as far as.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Me wanting to place it earlier because I knew I was like, all right, that's too late.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I'll hold off till we get to it.
Speaker B:But I think there's something going on here.
Speaker B:Windows gets Fuchs and Mac discover George Bennings has left the building.
Speaker B:So George is gone.
Speaker B:George, I think, is the first one that we see get taken over.
Speaker B:Gary has struggled with this because I guess George is his friend.
Speaker B:But McCready is all about it.
Speaker B:They have to burn the rest of them.
Speaker B:Cleaned out the storehouse, the lab.
Speaker B:There was nothing left.
Speaker B:So they gather all this up and burn it now because they realize what's happening.
Speaker B:So everything is burned.
Speaker B:And I wrote down.
Speaker B:But the dog visited somebody and somebody left their draws with gnaws.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So they think that.
Speaker B:Yeah, they like gift for that.
Speaker B:They think that they've taken care of everything and that.
Speaker B:That it's over.
Speaker B:But it isn't obviously.
Speaker B:All right, so that.
Speaker B:Then I have us moving into the fun and game.
Speaker B:So that's the breaking the two and the fun and games.
Speaker B:So they're burning everything at the.
Speaker B:So I've been trying to keep track of all these characters at the burning on screen at least there are nine characters present.
Speaker B:McCready, Nalls, Palmer, Childs Cooper and Norris Vance, sometimes called.
Speaker B:There is this long stretch where Clark is missing.
Speaker B:And I think that's a misdirect.
Speaker B:You know that because you want to.
Speaker B:Everybody wants to think of Clark, especially Blair.
Speaker B:Keep an eye on Clark.
Speaker B:Clark seems to be missing.
Speaker B:I haven't seen him in a while.
Speaker B:Gary Fuchs and Windows are there.
Speaker B:Blair has locked himself away and George is being burned.
Speaker B:So I just was trying to keep track of the characters.
Speaker B:At that point we learned that Blair has destroyed the helicopter and with the gun has taken things into his own hands.
Speaker B:He's also taken out the chapter, the chopper and the tractor.
Speaker B:And now he's in the process of knocking out the communication.
Speaker B:So he had, like I said, I think he broke into two a little quicker and caught on to what was going to happen and what he gets.
Speaker B:He's at the point that McCready I think will get to.
Speaker B:But he breaks in a little sooner as learning what's going on, you know, being the doc, smart guy, whatever.
Speaker B:Clark does show up now and is concerned about the dog, about his dogs, I guess.
Speaker B:Blair has also killed all the dogs.
Speaker B:So Clark does show up and runs to check on the dogs.
Speaker B:They subdue him, lock him in the tool shed, which is where he's going to be for the rest of the movie.
Speaker B:Blair doesn't know who to trust.
Speaker B:Mac tells him, trust in the Lord.
Speaker B:Yes, trust in the Lord, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:Blair tells Mac to watch Clark close.
Speaker B:Mac now suspects that some are not what they seem.
Speaker B:And they come up with this blood serum test.
Speaker B:Fuchs is going through Blair's notebooks.
Speaker B:This is all fun and Games is what I'm running through.
Speaker B:Accusations start.
Speaker B:So now the mistrust is really starting to set in.
Speaker B:Deep.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:You got the feeling that they didn't really like each other.
Speaker B:No, there was not a lot of love to begin with.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:As a bunch of strangers put together on a team who were all.
Speaker D:Did it say how long they had been there already?
Speaker B:Well, now McCready will say first damn week of winter when the.
Speaker D:After the Norwegian fiasco, which in Antarctica would be July probably.
Speaker B:So I don't know how long they'd been up there before that was winter.
Speaker C:All the time out there.
Speaker C:It's always fucking cold.
Speaker D:The southern hemisphere, first day of winter would be July.
Speaker B:But I don't know how long they've been up there.
Speaker C:And I mean cool already just taking Armageddon.
Speaker C:Worst environment manageable.
Speaker C:Worst environment magical.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Don't sign me up.
Speaker B:So they come up with this blood serum test, but they need the blood to do that.
Speaker B:And they discovered that the cabinet has been open and the blood is destroyed.
Speaker C:And they have a big debate about the key and who had access.
Speaker B:And yes, the accusation start.
Speaker B:And Clark.
Speaker B:So Gary and Copper are the two with the keys and Clark was with the dog.
Speaker B:So these are the three suspects at the.
Speaker B:At this point, Windows freaks out and goes for the guns.
Speaker B:Gary chases him down and says, you'll all feel a little better if I gave up my gun.
Speaker B:So he gives up his gun and there's this debate about who's going to leader.
Speaker B:Be well.
Speaker B:Child's like, I'll be the leader.
Speaker B:And McCready's like, no, we need somebody a little more even tempered.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:Advance is originally chosen, but he doesn't want it.
Speaker C:And I don't think I'm up for that.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't think I'm up for that, guys.
Speaker B:So it falls to McCready.
Speaker B:Nobody wants childs.
Speaker B:Mac is the man.
Speaker B:We're told that a storm is coming in six hours.
Speaker B:A second group around the fires.
Speaker B:They burned the blood supply.
Speaker B:So they burned what they thought was everything.
Speaker B:Now they're burning in a similar scene, the blood supply.
Speaker B:Thinking again that, you know, this is going to take care of things.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Clark, Cooper and Gary are led away to be tested.
Speaker B:Norris injects the serum.
Speaker B:Mac is now making a tape to for posterity in case we don't make it.
Speaker B:The shredded long johns found by Norris had the name tag missing.
Speaker B:Could be anybody's.
Speaker B:McCready said so again, this.
Speaker B:This idea of whose are these?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And he calls it US Outpost 31, as opposed to Research Station Number 4.
Speaker B:So I don't know what that.
Speaker B:That's just continuity.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Fuchs is going through Blair's notes, and there's a power outage.
Speaker B:A shadow in the darkness.
Speaker B:Fuchs pursues.
Speaker C:Whoa.
Speaker C:Before that, outside, when.
Speaker C:When Cree's making his tape, he says.
Speaker C:And no one trusts anyone anymore.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And then he stops it and he rewinds it.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And he didn't change it.
Speaker C:Records over it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And changes what he says.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Make it sound more upbeat, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't care as to why he was doing that, but that's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He erased us.
Speaker C:What he was like.
Speaker C:That sounds a bit rough.
Speaker C:Let me.
Speaker C:Yeah, you know, like.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Yeah, it doesn't explain it.
Speaker C:But also with the.
Speaker C:When they're doing the shot to the.
Speaker C:To the doc.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's like, oh, let me do it.
Speaker C:Let me do it.
Speaker B:You can break the needle.
Speaker C:And then Charles goes.
Speaker C:He's doing just fine.
Speaker C:Like, they're holding up towards you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's good stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So Fuchs pursuit.
Speaker B:So Fuchs pursues this shadow guy that has run past his room in the dark room.
Speaker C:Haven't you seen some more movies, man?
Speaker D:Yeah, that was.
Speaker D:That was a good jump scare.
Speaker D:I don't think it was a jump scare, but that was a really creepy moment when that shadow passes.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:I would call it a jump scare.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:It didn't get me enough to make me jump, but.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker C:It's the same idea.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:What the.
Speaker C:Was that?
Speaker D:Solidly.
Speaker C:And then he calls and.
Speaker C:Hey, who's there?
Speaker C:And no answer.
Speaker B:Right outside.
Speaker B:A jacket or something that has McCready's name on it is found again.
Speaker B:I think a misdirect.
Speaker B:Another red herring.
Speaker C:Fuchs or McCready is the thing.
Speaker C:The whole damn time from that moment on.
Speaker D:Could be what they test.
Speaker B:They do test the blood.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker C:They test blood.
Speaker C:Just mess with me.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker B:Fuchs is missing nulls.
Speaker B:And McCready outside.
Speaker B:Palmer doesn't want to go.
Speaker B:This is when they are trying to pick teams to go outside and stay inside.
Speaker B:How you going?
Speaker B:Palmer doesn't want to go.
Speaker B:I don't want to go with him.
Speaker B:I don't want to go with you.
Speaker C:Who said I wanted to go with you?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Knock off this bullshit.
Speaker B:Windows goes with Mac and Nalls.
Speaker B:Nora stays with Cooper, Gary and Clark.
Speaker B:Palmer and Childs look inside.
Speaker B:So they're staying and guarding the place.
Speaker B:So Mack, Windows and Ns Go to check on Blair, ask about Fuchsia.
Speaker B:Blair is saying, Fuchs ain't the guy.
Speaker B:Fuchs ain't the guy.
Speaker B:It's funny.
Speaker B:They look on him and they check on Blair.
Speaker B:Open the door and there's a noose hanging from there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:A noose hanging from the scene.
Speaker C:It's also the same genres.
Speaker C:Well, I'm fine now.
Speaker C:I'm doing better now.
Speaker C:I want to come back.
Speaker C:I want to come back to fucking noose hanging back over there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so has he.
Speaker C:Has Blair been infected at this point?
Speaker C:Like, that's the.
Speaker B:Well, there's at some point he has, but I don't know when.
Speaker B:And that's the thing.
Speaker D:It was the pencil, remember?
Speaker D:It could have very well a slow acting maybe.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, you could be infected in, but you're not gonna infect others or freak out until you're in proximity and can.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, because that dog obviously was normal for a long time.
Speaker D:That's true.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it only started going that way when the other dog started growing at it, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it could infect them or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Blair is convinced it ain't fucs.
Speaker B:I don't want to stay out here anymore.
Speaker B:He's probably.
Speaker C:I wrote down to come inside and make.
Speaker C:Make you guys some oatmeal.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's pretty insistent about wanting to go back inside.
Speaker B:And I saw I have it.
Speaker B:Is he already infected at this point?
Speaker B:I wasn't sure.
Speaker B:But he's very insistent about wanting to come back inside.
Speaker C:He's infected like a motherfucker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think I like how they just.
Speaker C:Close the door on him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They find Fuchs.
Speaker B:They find Fuchs Glasses.
Speaker B:So now I think this is the second.
Speaker B:So I'm putting this down.
Speaker C:He's all burned up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Don't just find his glass, but they find a burned up body or whatever and it's just Fuchs and McCready finds glasses and goes, yeah, it was.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Oh, he burned himself.
Speaker C:Maybe he did an accident.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe he burned himself so we couldn't get him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Windows is sent back to tell the others that they found Fuchs.
Speaker B:Mac and all need to investigate.
Speaker B:Mac shed.
Speaker B:The lights are on because, you know, when I was there, I had the lights off.
Speaker B:Now they're on.
Speaker C:That was a good reveal.
Speaker C:I like it because he's already looking, talking, blah, blah.
Speaker C:And then they're like, well, why do.
Speaker B:You want to do that?
Speaker C:Because when I earlier I, you know, and then the camera turns over and points to it that's good.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So now Nulls and Mac are out there.
Speaker B:We cut to Charles.
Speaker B:Child's keeping guard.
Speaker B:It's about 45 minutes later, they say, and Nalls comes in and he has cut the rope on McCready and left him out there.
Speaker B:He is convinced.
Speaker B:Naus is convinced that Mac is the guy.
Speaker B:Now, there's some broken glass.
Speaker C:Found the McCready thing that he found.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's found it stuffed in the.
Speaker B:I think Fuchs found it earlier, didn't he?
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:And now Fuchs.
Speaker B:So Fuchs must have put it in there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I guess Knowles found it now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:What do you say?
Speaker C:Because he's been coming about.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't think he saw me take it or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is also the.
Speaker B:They hear broke glass.
Speaker B:Mack is still alive, and he's breaking into the supply room.
Speaker B:And they bust down the door.
Speaker B:We're gonna kill him.
Speaker B:We're gonna kill him.
Speaker C:This is all fun and games still.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I don't have him.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker B:Well, this is.
Speaker B:This is where I wanted to see how you're coming out on this because.
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I was thinking maybe false defeat because he got locked outside and all that stuff, but he.
Speaker C:Gross.
Speaker C:Will be a.
Speaker C:A false victory when they do the blood test and they narrow down who it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He gets them and he proves to everyone else that he's not the.
Speaker C:Not the thing.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:That's like my favorite one.
Speaker C:My favorite scene in the whole movie is the blood test.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Naus comes back near frozen.
Speaker B:Found Max Garment, cut him loose.
Speaker C:I love the detail in McCready's beard.
Speaker C:Like he's.
Speaker C:He looks like he was stuck outside.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:No, it's frozen.
Speaker C:And he does a good deal with his hand later on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, he's trying to flex it and his beard.
Speaker C:Like, I think from this point on, his beard spin like the rest of the movie is covered.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:The rest of the movie.
Speaker B:They're going to kill Mac.
Speaker B:Mac McCready is armed himself with dynamite and IDs.
Speaker C:ID is a value.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, he's.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:They are at each other's throats.
Speaker B:At this point, Norris goes down for the count and Cooper is let loose to work on Norris.
Speaker B:It does not go well.
Speaker B:So at this point, Norris and Cooper are the next two to go.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Completely forgot about that.
Speaker C:I don't know why, but completely forgot.
Speaker C:When he's doing the CPR and then takes down.
Speaker C:I was like, oh, shit, I forgot about that.
Speaker C:Completely And I don't know why.
Speaker C:Because that's the same scene with the head later on, off the.
Speaker C:It's his body where the head drops off the table.
Speaker C:I remember that, but I didn't remember.
Speaker A:Okay, I have a confession.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's when I fell asleep right before that happened and woke up when they're screaming and I'm like, what the.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I called.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Norris is being burned, but not before the walking head.
Speaker D:There's a.
Speaker D:There's a fun thing in the chest compression scene.
Speaker D:When they were making the movie, they used a double amputee for the special effects.
Speaker D:Like, they used a body double.
Speaker D:There's double amputee that missed.
Speaker D:That was missing his arms.
Speaker B:Oh, really?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So that's who you see was a guy with no arms.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:That's cool.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker D:So, like, practical effects.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:They didn't back to that.
Speaker D:That is awesome.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, it totally worked.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:They torch him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Torches.
Speaker B:But Windows and Palmer told him I could tie everybody and test them.
Speaker B:Matt kills Clark when he tries to attack.
Speaker B:So Clark actually gets killed without ever being infected.
Speaker B:Child says, I guess that makes you a murderer or whatever.
Speaker B:But that doesn't bother McCready.
Speaker D:Nope.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:The shots there of him grabbing the.
Speaker C:The knife off the.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:The X acto blade or whatever.
Speaker B:Off the scalpel.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Scalpel.
Speaker C:Couldn't get it out.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I couldn't say the right thing.
Speaker C:Scalpel.
Speaker C:But it very much reminded me of, like.
Speaker C:I was like, oh, Carpenter's doing his Halloween tricks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just the.
Speaker C:The framing and the scene in the foreground and.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's good.
Speaker C:It was well done.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This blood test.
Speaker B:Mac and Windows are doing the testing.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So I wrote down who was clean and who wasn't.
Speaker B:So Windows, Mac, Cooper, Clark, Nulls, Childs and Gary all come up clean.
Speaker B:Palmer is the next one on the list.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker B:His blood tests positive, and he becomes the thing.
Speaker B:The flamethrower malfunction again.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This meant to keep you on the edge, Right.
Speaker C:You know, the tension Nulls came clean before Palmer.
Speaker D:Because they were all tied up on the chair, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Gary and Childs are losing their shit.
Speaker B:So I guess Gary and Childs are still tied up.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Because they do the.
Speaker C:He does the same trick several times, and it cracked me up.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:And I thought it was nulls.
Speaker C:And then with.
Speaker C:With.
Speaker C:With Childs.
Speaker C:They're sitting there, they're tied up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he has the end of the Flamethrower.
Speaker C:And he puts the thing and he heats it up and he tests their blood and then take a sigh of relief.
Speaker C:And then immediate cut to them with the flamethrower doing it to the next guy.
Speaker C:And I swear he did with nulls.
Speaker C:And I know he does it with Childs later on because they're.
Speaker C:Because they're pissed off.
Speaker C:Like, when you're in the chair tied up.
Speaker C:Fuck you, man.
Speaker B:Boo.
Speaker C:They're all pissed off.
Speaker C:But then, like, immediately, like, change of, like, your mind frame of now I've got the flamethrower.
Speaker C:I'm ready to fucking roast you whenever you're ready.
Speaker D:I don't want to sit in this place.
Speaker B:Chair.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Gentlemen, I know you've been through a lot today, and when you get a chance, you might untie me, because I don't want to spend the rest of my life in this crack.
Speaker C:Crack me up.
Speaker C:And he said, that's good stuff.
Speaker C:I forgot about that.
Speaker D:Anyhow, I felt that in my soul.
Speaker D:I was like.
Speaker D:I would say it exactly like that.
Speaker C:Window, or you would say, we're gonna do this or what?
Speaker C:Because I'm ready for my Pop Tart.
Speaker C:I know I'm not the thing, man.
Speaker C:I'm hungry.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, McCree said, now I'm going to show you what I already know, you know?
Speaker B:And earlier, he says one of you things, like when he's talking to the rest of them.
Speaker C:Does he.
Speaker B:Yeah, one of you things is gonna fight, you know, or whatever.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:Windows does not survive.
Speaker C:I watched that.
Speaker D:He doesn't make it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Palmer is the thing that gets bit.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:His speech, though.
Speaker C:Like, when he's, you know, explaining the.
Speaker C:The blood and how it works and, you know, one of new things, whatever.
Speaker C:McCready speech.
Speaker C:I watched that scene several times because I was trying to keep track and of, like, the.
Speaker C:The whole eyeshine thing, right?
Speaker C:And so I was trying to look at that and.
Speaker C:Because in that scene, I was like, all right, there's any weight to this theory, this scene has got a.
Speaker C:Gotta prove it.
Speaker C:Because the camera stops on each guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He makes that speech.
Speaker C:And I'm looking.
Speaker C:And I watched a couple times, even as Stacey was like, all right, hey, I know you're not.
Speaker C:You're half watching this thing, but look at their eyes.
Speaker C:Are their eyes all shining?
Speaker C:Because I felt like everybody's eyes were shining but McCready's, even though he tested out at that point.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:But then I looked it up after and, like, it's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's like there's no.
Speaker C:Nothing to it.
Speaker C:At least Carpenter didn't say.
Speaker C:Yep, I did that.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I wasn't familiar with that theory.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:But the eyeshine thing, like.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, if your eyes shine or don't shine, you're either the thing or nothing or whatever.
Speaker D:I think.
Speaker D:I think that's a coincidental thing, just.
Speaker C:The way they shot it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because the dog's eyes are shining underneath the tennis table earlier, like, that's what reminded me.
Speaker C:I was like, oh, yeah, that is like, a theory thing.
Speaker C:And so I started trying to keep track of it, but anyhow.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Palmer is torched and falls in the snow.
Speaker B:Windows is burned.
Speaker B:So now here's where I have.
Speaker B:And again, you'll see how.
Speaker B:And then you can tell me how you structured this.
Speaker B:So I have this as a midpoint false victory.
Speaker B:They think they have eliminated the threat when they do this blood test, and Palmer and Windows are done, everybody is tested clean.
Speaker B:They think that it's over except for Blair.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because they're going to go later to test Blair, and he's not there.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:But this is at an hour and 26 minutes.
Speaker B:And I'm pointing this as the false victory.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So they think they've got it now.
Speaker B:They're going to go test Blair, who they know is locked up.
Speaker B:But this is at an hour and 26 minutes, which I.
Speaker B:Which is way late.
Speaker B:It's not a midpoint at all as far as time.
Speaker C:Yeah, but at the first, the break into two was late.
Speaker C:Then it's gonna push everything back, Right?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:And, yes, we'll get through this.
Speaker B:And then we can talk about whether you agree or how you structured it or whatever.
Speaker B:So then, of course, naturally, then we're gonna move into.
Speaker B:The bad guys, close in, right?
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:They're going out to give Blair the test.
Speaker B:Blair is missing.
Speaker B:A tunnel is discovered.
Speaker B:He's been busy.
Speaker B:And there's a ship of some kind underneath the base.
Speaker B:Childs is spotted moving outside by nulls.
Speaker B:Someone got outside and blew the generator.
Speaker B:Later, Childs will say that he thought he saw.
Speaker B:Was it Blair?
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Again, a misdirect, because there goes Giles, off into the dark, alone.
Speaker B:Spotted by naus.
Speaker B:All is lost.
Speaker B:If I had a false victory at the midpoint, obviously, this has to be a false defeat.
Speaker B:So I have this.
Speaker B:As with no power, they are in danger of freezing to death.
Speaker B:The decision is made to warm things up.
Speaker B:And then MacCready says, We're not getting out of here alive.
Speaker B:This is so I Pegged that as sort of an all is lost false defeat.
Speaker B:They blow up the ship and then they start burning the whole camp.
Speaker B:Which obviously is going to be.
Speaker D:So the.
Speaker D:The ship was put together by Blair.
Speaker D:By Blair out of spare parts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:From the parts they say from the parts from the helicopter and the snow cat, I guess that he destroyed.
Speaker B:And if he's the alien, he's gonna have.
Speaker C:That to me like proves it.
Speaker C:Like he's the alien.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Even though he's a smart guy.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker B:No, at that point.
Speaker B:At that point.
Speaker B:Yeah, at that point.
Speaker C:But he was building ship to get the hell out of there.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:I get this McCready guy may get me or these other guy.
Speaker C:Like I don't know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:That I thought of was we'd.
Speaker D:The alien ship that the Norwegians found.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:This thing that's now loose in the camp.
Speaker D:We don't know if that thing got into the aliens.
Speaker D:And now the aliens crash landed here.
Speaker D:And now that thing had infected Norwegians and that thing infected Americans.
Speaker C:Like the thing alien.
Speaker C:We don't know the thing alien was flying.
Speaker C:The alien crash.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:It could be like a xenomorph, just.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:The aliens could have crashed here.
Speaker B:Infected.
Speaker C:Infected.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I didn't think about that.
Speaker B:I didn't either.
Speaker B:But that's good.
Speaker B:I like that because that even explains.
Speaker C:Like maybe why the one was like crawling out and like.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Died or froze in the snow.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And this alien that takes over and imitates doesn't seem technologically advanced.
Speaker B:Like the aliens that built this ship.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:But would have the knowledge of everybody they've assimilated at that point.
Speaker D:I think that would make sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because that was what I was thinking.
Speaker D:Like if it's just a shape shifting alien.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I don't know how to build a cell phone.
Speaker D:I sure as hell don't know how to build a car.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Not every alien is gonna know how to build a ship.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So where does that knowledge come from?
Speaker D:But it could be an assimilated.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I guess I didn't think of that.
Speaker B:But I like the idea that the aliens who crashed here weren't the thing aliens.
Speaker B:They were infected by the thing.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Because at some point one character says it could have affected millions of worlds.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker B:And this, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Now I'm just thinking about.
Speaker C:Because you had said that the.
Speaker C:You know, I don't know how to build cell phone.
Speaker C:Like if the alien takes over, you like it.
Speaker C:I didn't Think about it like it takes over your knowledge too.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So doing the blood test and the.
Speaker C:Obviously the aliens.
Speaker C:Palmer.
Speaker C:At that point, sitting there.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like the aliens were sitting there.
Speaker C:I knew it was a mistake.
Speaker C:Take over this dumb shit, man.
Speaker C:I shouldn't have gotten this guy's.
Speaker B:But you know what I mean was the things.
Speaker D:I mean, I know we don't know what it's intentions were, but say that that dog got out, infected one of them at a time in secret locations.
Speaker D:Then what?
Speaker D:Like, would they all live in harmony?
Speaker D:Because it seemed like when one of them was infected, they were all at each other.
Speaker D:But from what I'm gathering from this, there were several people infected at the same time.
Speaker D:And were they still bickering at each other?
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker D:So, like, would they become a symbiotic unit when everybody.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They would become more.
Speaker B:Because I think the goal of this thing is spreading.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:To spread.
Speaker B:So they would have tried to get back to civilized world, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just write it out till, you know, somebody gets on that ship and goes home.
Speaker C:Or if you're the thing, you get on the ship and you go home or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Not the ship with the.
Speaker C:The helicopter.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And I need.
Speaker B:Because McCready says it wants to freeze now.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Because it doesn't have way off.
Speaker C:So we're just gonna wait.
Speaker B:Yeah, wait for the rescue team.
Speaker D:So what was the deal with the ship?
Speaker B:Well, I think Blair was going to try to.
Speaker B:Blair alien thing was going to try to get back to civilization.
Speaker D:Civilization.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Not go back to the stars, but go.
Speaker B:No, no, no, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think he was going to try to.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Because I thought it was like trying to go back home.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I think.
Speaker B:I think he has knowledge from the aliens he infected that crashed on Earth.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:You know, have assimilated.
Speaker B:But I think he was trying to get to a populated area.
Speaker D:Makes sense.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because the helicopter would surely not go all the way back to civilization.
Speaker D:The helicopter may go back to the airfield or something.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker D:That they all use Norwegians, Americans, whoever else is down there as an airfield.
Speaker B:But, well, well, Blair destroyed the helicopter before he was the alien.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So he needs something a little.
Speaker D:A little bit more power.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's.
Speaker B:The alien is trying to rebuild something.
Speaker B:Something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So now the aliens custom.
Speaker C:Blair, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:As he's building the.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Add the blow up.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker C:Could have used that dummy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So now they're burning the whole camp.
Speaker B:Now I say we move into the dark night of the soul.
Speaker B:The generator room.
Speaker B:Mac, Nalls, Gary, the generator is gone.
Speaker B:Can it be repaired?
Speaker B:No, it's missing.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Gary says who is left at this point?
Speaker B:So the ones we have alive confirmed are Gary McNall's.
Speaker B:Childs is missing and Blair is somewhere.
Speaker B:Childs is missing.
Speaker B:Gary Mack and Nalls are in the generator room.
Speaker B:Blair is definitely now the thing and he takes out Gary.
Speaker B:So Gary bites it.
Speaker C:It's like one of the.
Speaker C:I think it's the first time we see that, right?
Speaker C:Like first time we see the alien actually, in fact.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like as a human, like take out another human or whatever.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:Everything else has been.
Speaker C:Well, I guess when he was dead or whatever.
Speaker C:He takes the guy's hands.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
Speaker C:But actually, I guess copying like that was just.
Speaker C:Seemed like that was just killing.
Speaker C:Like that was just a survival type thing to me.
Speaker C:When he's.
Speaker C:When he's inside the guy that had a heart attack or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And he's, you know, takes the guy's hands.
Speaker C:Like it seemed like the Thing was just trying to survive at that point where this seemed like.
Speaker C:I guess what I was.
Speaker C:To clarify, first time we see like the.
Speaker C:The imitation takeover, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Because he does this weird thing.
Speaker C:Puts his hand in his mouth, inside his cheeks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he drags him away.
Speaker B:Nile sees him being drugged away.
Speaker B:All sees Gary being dragged away and goes to investigate alone.
Speaker B:That he died of stupidity there.
Speaker B:Max discovers he is alone.
Speaker C:How's it going down there?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then nothing.
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker B:The Thing then bust up through the floor.
Speaker B:Mac confronts.
Speaker C:Got real big all of a sudden.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Got real big.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Confronts the Thing, seemingly blows it up, destroying the last of the shelter of the camp.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:With a.
Speaker B:With a fuck you too.
Speaker B:He runs into the third act.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so you're going to see that the break into three is at an hour and 38 with no.
Speaker B:And so this is.
Speaker C:This is short third act.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:With no team together and no castle to storm, we get a Hightower surprise with the emergence of Childs, who got lost in the storm after going after Blair.
Speaker B:So he says they wait for a little while to see what happens.
Speaker B:So what I'm saying is essentially the movie ends on the dark night of the Soul Beach.
Speaker B:I don't think there is a third.
Speaker B:I think Carpenter leaves us at the point where the hero would have dug deep down and conquered the thing and saved the day and everything, escaped to safety.
Speaker B:Escape to safety and save the world.
Speaker B:But Carpenter, I Think lops that off and says, nope, we're going to end this on the dark night of the Soul Beat.
Speaker B:Going out with this idea of, we don't know, let's just see what happens.
Speaker B:You know, maybe we shouldn't make it, you know, this kind of thing.
Speaker B:Because if one of them is the alien, they're going to freeze.
Speaker B:And when the rescue team comes, that alien is going to infect.
Speaker B:And so I think.
Speaker C:So how does he storm the castle if this is the break, you know, the breaking of three is about to happen.
Speaker C:What is.
Speaker C:What does he do to.
Speaker B:Well, what would be.
Speaker B:Well, what would be the break into three at this point?
Speaker B:Because I say there's nobody left, so he's got no team and he's burned down the castle.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, this is why I'm saying I don't think the third act is there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now, whether you want to take some of those events earlier.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I feel like burning down the castle is the storming of the castle.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Well, see, that's what I'm wondering.
Speaker B:And I looked at it that way, but as I looked at it, because.
Speaker C:His breaking three is, we're not gonna.
Speaker C:Nobody's gonna survive.
Speaker C:Like, he knows that.
Speaker C:And that's his plan.
Speaker C:So then he's going on about it differently.
Speaker C:That's why he's at peace at the end.
Speaker C:To me, about.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Let's just wait and see what happens.
Speaker B:So if you like it, that's.
Speaker B:To me, I was comfortable structuring it this way.
Speaker B:But if you have a full third act, you're gonna have to back up, find a place where, you know, they have a mid.
Speaker B:I think there's a midpoint, I think, anyway, the way I've structured.
Speaker B:But you're gonna have to sort of push everything that I have.
Speaker B:You're gonna push it up farther to get a full third act.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Either way, it ends strangely.
Speaker D:Like, there's no.
Speaker C:It's ambiguous for sure.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:I don't know if Childs is.
Speaker C:Yeah, Child's.
Speaker C:The thing is, McCready.
Speaker C:The thing is neither one of them the thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But they're.
Speaker C:But their mistrust and their paranoia, like, won't allow them to.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:And at this point, they are going to die.
Speaker B:They've burned down every structure.
Speaker B:And at night, it gets to what they said.
Speaker B:It's gonna be 100 below soon.
Speaker B:They're not going to see morning at that.
Speaker D:You know, they probably won't see the next 20 minutes.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:They'll fall right to sleep and that'll be it.
Speaker B:Which is, you know, freezing death.
Speaker B:I've heard you actually get warm before you die.
Speaker B:Like if you're warm it means you're.
Speaker B:You're done.
Speaker B:Hypothermia and all that.
Speaker B:You know, you feel warm.
Speaker B:You're not warm, but freezing to death.
Speaker D:Well, that's why to go.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker D:He has the.
Speaker D:What is that scotch that he's drinking or whatever.
Speaker D:Yeah, he's got the scotch.
Speaker D:So that's one of the theories out there is he was making Molotov cocktails.
Speaker D:There was gasoline in those bottles.
Speaker C:Child takes a sip.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:They share and McCready laughs.
Speaker C:He smiles when child sip.
Speaker C:So there's this theory that he knows that's confirmation.
Speaker C:Oh, you're the fucking alien.
Speaker C:You don't know any better.
Speaker C:You're drinking like it's normal and that's fucking gasoline in there.
Speaker C:Yeah, like.
Speaker C:But there's not a whole lot to back it up.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker B:Yeah, but at that point, wouldn't you kill Child because if he freezes the death and then they.
Speaker B:Because if they're gonna.
Speaker B:The rescue team is going to take those bodies back.
Speaker C:Yeah, but I guess he's like.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:I mean I guess if you want to your point?
Speaker C:If Carpenter wanted to play it out and show all that.
Speaker C:But he also just let's wait and see what happens.
Speaker C:Like maybe he's waiting for the right moment.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:And again, you have to bind to this theory which there's not a lot to back up.
Speaker C:I just thought about at the beginning.
Speaker C:It is a nice.
Speaker C:If it's true.
Speaker C:It's a nice to me for the closing image with the opening.
Speaker C:The opening.
Speaker C:Him pouring the stuff, the scotch or whatever into the computer.
Speaker C:You cheating bitch.
Speaker C:Yeah, well now he's cheating in a.
Speaker B:Way where he's pouring the alcohol into somebody.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker C:If it's the same.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know that I've that theory.
Speaker C:But it's interesting.
Speaker D:The only thing that I guess it would be a con to that theory would be those two are alone now.
Speaker D:There's no need for the.
Speaker D:The thing.
Speaker D:The charade.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Hiding itself.
Speaker D:It would be attacking the last survivor.
Speaker D:So I think they're both just human.
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:I tend to.
Speaker C:Yeah, but.
Speaker C:But they think about that, James.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they have destroyed their shelter and there is.
Speaker C:The Thing knows it's going to survive.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker C:Well, but.
Speaker C:But the Thing just tries to attack MacReady who has survived up to this point.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:A child is the thing and he just.
Speaker C:And to your point of view.
Speaker C:No point in hiding.
Speaker C:Why risk attacking McCready and possibly injuring yourself and McCready getting the best of you.
Speaker C:Now you're.
Speaker C:Now you're injured as opposed to.
Speaker C:It knows I can just wait it out too.
Speaker C:Because if I will survive the.
Speaker C:The cold and you won't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, maybe.
Speaker C:Maybe it is a point of waiting.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker D:Maybe.
Speaker C:I think that's one of the cool things about the ending of the way it ends.
Speaker C:Like it'd be nice to wrapped up in a bow.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:Well, no, I think this conversation is kind of cool.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:I think there's also a theory out there.
Speaker C:I think somebody debunked it.
Speaker C:Well, you can see McCready's breath but you can't see child as well.
Speaker C:But I think it's just Russell's maybe breathing heavier than.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't David Keith.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But it was interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So like the endings.
Speaker C:There's enough.
Speaker C:There were sprung all these theories that people are thinking about it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:And they're interested.
Speaker D:They want to know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They keep it ambiguous.
Speaker B:And I think he does end it on a dark, dark night.
Speaker C:It's not a happy note for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Unless there's gasoline there.
Speaker C:And he knows.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Cheating bitch.
Speaker B:Just for fun, I wrote down the order in which they were killed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Were you able to track it?
Speaker C:I started to and I was like it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So kill order.
Speaker B:George is first Fuchs, then Norris, then Cooper Copper, then Clark, Palmer, Blair, Gary and Nalls, Mack and Charles.
Speaker B:I put down as being frozen to death.
Speaker D:Well those were all people that were infected.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So well let's see.
Speaker B:Clark was.
Speaker B:Was shot and killed by McCready.
Speaker D:So he actually gotta add the two Norwegians on there then.
Speaker B:Well yeah.
Speaker B:This was the.
Speaker B:The kill order for.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:For.
Speaker D:For first.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:For.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Following the disease.
Speaker C:They killed themselves in the movie.
Speaker C:If you're.
Speaker C:You know can speak Norwegian.
Speaker D:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So they're 11.
Speaker B:11 people.
Speaker B:And that's the order Mac and Child's.
Speaker B:I'm having his frozen to death.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker D:So nobody makes it out.
Speaker D:And the alien maybe might make it out.
Speaker D:Which is a great way to end it on a scary movie is.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:See you next time kids.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Did the.
Speaker B:I tend to think that they did destroy the alien and that these two guys are gonna die frozen in the snow as humans.
Speaker C:And that would explain why the thing was so big.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:There at the end, like, it was bigger than we've ever seen before or whatever.
Speaker C:Maybe that was it.
Speaker C:Like, you know, could be the thing got really big when it busted the floor.
Speaker C:Like, it was the.
Speaker C:The physical size of it was much bigger than we'd seen previously.
Speaker C:So maybe, like your theory about it, they.
Speaker C:They had killed it.
Speaker C:And Childs and McCready are both human at the end.
Speaker C:Yeah, that.
Speaker C:That's why it was so big, because that was it.
Speaker C:That was the big bad monster.
Speaker D:So Wilford Brimley, I keep forgetting his character's name.
Speaker D:He disappears and comes back as the big monster.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:We never see him either change or.
Speaker B:What happens the last time we see him is he's dragging nulls off, right?
Speaker B:No, he's running around.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's dragging Gary off.
Speaker C:What happens in all those.
Speaker C:Nose gets killed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We don't actually see.
Speaker B:Nas goes to investigate and that's it.
Speaker D:So they're burning the place down.
Speaker B:Yes, and they're burning the place down.
Speaker B:But nowhere.
Speaker B:We have to assume that if Nas went off to investigate, he did not come back.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's just weird, though, like, because we see.
Speaker C:The first time we see the imitation transfer, you know, the he's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But then they don't do anything with it because next time we see it, it's this big alien thing busting through the floor.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He drags Gary off.
Speaker C:Yeah, we see that.
Speaker C:But then the next time we see the thing, it's now this creature thing again busting through the floor.
Speaker C:And it's kind of weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, it was like, to take all those guys and was trying to transform and couldn't decide who I wanted.
Speaker D:I'm thinking, like, is it.
Speaker B:When it busts through, you see the faces of some of the people, right?
Speaker D:Yeah, of everything.
Speaker B:You see the dog and faces of, like, T2.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker A:Now, they may have done this, and I just didn't catch it.
Speaker A:Did they?
Speaker A:Tech test.
Speaker A:What is his name?
Speaker A:Blood.
Speaker A:The one that was out there by.
Speaker B:Himself because he was gone when they get them get to his.
Speaker B:He's on.
Speaker B:The door is open.
Speaker A:Oh, that's when they were going to test it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're gonna give Doc the test or whatever or blur the test, but.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Wilford Brimley was 58 years old in this movie.
Speaker D:Philip.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:He's older.
Speaker B:Older than I am.
Speaker B:He does do some pretty physical stuff in this movie.
Speaker B:Like, He's.
Speaker C:He was 58 then.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's nice.
Speaker D:Wait, no, I think.
Speaker D:Yeah, it was 58.
Speaker D:Because he was born in 36.
Speaker D:Oh, so damn.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Fun fact.
Speaker C:I follow doing some in like, Die or Die Hard, a hard target I.
Speaker D:I found 16 years later on Twitter, there's a page that's called the Wilford Brimley Cocoon line.
Speaker D:It's so many days, like 18, 000 days.
Speaker D:You've passed the Wilford Brimley.
Speaker D:The age Wilford Brimley was at the filming of Cocoon.
Speaker D:Paul Rudd has passed that.
Speaker D:Tom Cruise obviously has passed that.
Speaker D:Like, people that.
Speaker D:You're like, oh, my God, Wilford Brimley.
Speaker D:You think of him as this old man.
Speaker D:He's been old forever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's never not been old as far as I.
Speaker B:I don't think I've ever seen him young in anything.
Speaker D:Just fun facts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, because in Cocoon, they're supposed to be old and decrepit and, you know, speaking of.
Speaker B:But so many people are older than that.
Speaker A:I just saw something that said all the people who played in Friends are now older than Blanche was when she started in the Golden Girls.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Jared Leto is.
Speaker D:He passed the Brimley five days ago.
Speaker B:Good God.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:18, 530 days old.
Speaker D:That's the Wilford Brimley Cocoon line on Twitter.
Speaker D:It's an awesome one.
Speaker D:It does celebrities and people of note, like, this person is as old as Wilford Brimley.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because they pulled a picture of Wilford Brimley, like, damn, he's old looking.
Speaker D:Anyway, that was a tangent.
Speaker A:No, I just love seeing these.
Speaker A:And so Archie Bunker and Edith, they were like in their 40s right when they were on what was it all.
Speaker D:I think.
Speaker D:I think homer Simpson is 33 or 38, something like that.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:He seems older.
Speaker C:I don't know why.
Speaker B:Yeah, seems way older.
Speaker D:It's just getting old, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, I have to.
Speaker C:I have to watch myself now.
Speaker C:Like, we'll be watching something and I don't know what it was or something.
Speaker C:I think it was, you know, someone's supposed to be like, you know, college kids or something and, you know, watching a TV show or something.
Speaker C:Supposed to be the college kids, but it was like an older guy playing one of the college kids and.
Speaker C:Or something.
Speaker C:And I remember my comment was like, that Dude's like a 40 year old man.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, I'm 40.
Speaker B:Yeah, I hear you, man.
Speaker D:What did.
Speaker D:What did Sherry post the other day?
Speaker D:Something about your senior citizens discount.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They asked us if we.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she said for 60.
Speaker A:And I'm like, no, man, I'll.
Speaker D:I'll take a discount anytime.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I hear you.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker D:If you look at Wilford Brimley, I think he was getting a senior discount in his 20s.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's nuts.
Speaker C:Yeah, I still, I still mess with, man, he was 58 in this because.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's that guy that seemed old forever.
Speaker B:Yeah, forever.
Speaker C:Yeah, I thought he was.
Speaker C:I mean, I thought he was already 85.
Speaker D:You know, when you're a kid and teenager, 58 is old, you know, and then when you get to 30, you realize, oh, 40 is not that old.
Speaker C:Sure, 40.
Speaker D:Oh, 50, 60s.
Speaker D:Not old.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Anyway, yeah, so the, the thing, man, I.
Speaker B:I think it's a good movie.
Speaker B:I think it's a fun movie.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:You know, that's a.
Speaker D:So if we do the recommend.
Speaker B:Yeah, I definitely recommend it.
Speaker B:I've enjoyed it every time I've seen it.
Speaker D:Yeah, tremendously.
Speaker B:I like the character.
Speaker B:Like anything with Kurt Russell.
Speaker B:But yeah, I definitely recommend the thing for a fun, fun Scare movie, you.
Speaker D:Know, I'd recommend it.
Speaker D:And this is one of the top ones.
Speaker D:I'd say if somebody was starting with John Carpenter stuff, this is a solid one.
Speaker D:Go with.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker D:So, yeah, definitely go for it.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm saying.
Speaker C:Yeah, same recommend.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, here I go.
Speaker C:Yeah, here I go.
Speaker A:Here I go.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, that's a pass for me.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:We watched it on Blu Ray.
Speaker A:Mistake.
Speaker D:Nice and clear.
Speaker A:Well, I fell asleep until the screaming and then.
Speaker A:I'm not kidding you, some of that made me nauseous.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was very wet.
Speaker B:Wet special effects.
Speaker C:So you woke up about the same time that the character in the show was saying, you gotta be fucking kidding me.
Speaker C:Like, that was Sherry.
Speaker C:That's what you said when you woke up and you saw that.
Speaker A:Well, I made a list of titles that it should have been nice because I looked it up and it's based on a story called who Goes There?
Speaker A:And I thought the thing.
Speaker A:I guess it's better than that.
Speaker A:But no, I would have been saying wtf?
Speaker A:Wth?
Speaker A:I mean, I made a all Hell no.
Speaker A:And I was like, well, nope's taken.
Speaker A:So it'd be.
Speaker A:Have to be nasty or something like that.
Speaker A:Because I was like, no, no, no or yuck.
Speaker C:But anyway, I think that should be a thing like from going forward.
Speaker C:Like you.
Speaker C:I don't know if it always has to be you, but like somebody and it's your thing, so you can do it.
Speaker C:But like alternate titles, like, I really like that idea.
Speaker C:Like that should be a thing every going forward Every time.
Speaker D:Now you want to addendum to the Shining, Phil?
Speaker D:What other things?
Speaker D:It could have been called Tubric.
Speaker C:Eat a dick.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Bloated douchebaggery.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And then the other thing I have to address is the hat, because you talk about something that takes you away from the story.
Speaker B:She could not get over the hat.
Speaker A:When they showed his hat, I sat there and I went, what the heck is he wearing?
Speaker A:And I just totally didn't pay attention to the story for a long time.
Speaker A:Looking at his hair.
Speaker D:Did you like the hat a lot?
Speaker D:Oh, no.
Speaker A:I think it's weird.
Speaker D:And then Antarctica hat.
Speaker C:Well, and I was in there, and it disappears.
Speaker A:Yeah, Well, I.
Speaker A:I looked up.
Speaker D:Maybe the alien took it.
Speaker D:He was taking it back to the.
Speaker B:Hat is the thing, you know?
Speaker A:Well, I looked up information about the hat, trying to figure it out, and found that video of Adam Savage from mythbusters recreating it.
Speaker A:And his wife apparently feels the same way I do because she's like, you're not wearing that in public, are you?
Speaker A:I mean, I just.
Speaker A:I just couldn't get past the hat for a while.
Speaker B:I think it's McCready's way of saying, and fuck you, too.
Speaker B:You know, Put this hat on, say something about my hat, you know?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Well, it covers his whole body.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I think McCready wears it probably as a finger in the eye of people who have to look at it, you know, Maybe.
Speaker A:Probably.
Speaker B:He's not gonna do things that are gonna be people pleasers.
Speaker B:Like, he's.
Speaker B:I don't think.
Speaker B:I don't see him as a humanitarian, you know?
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:And I think it was a whole group of the same, like, people down there in Antarctica.
Speaker D:Like, they were just all there down there for selfish reasons.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're all.
Speaker B:Don't want to deal with each other, especially.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Palmer and Child can fly helicopters.
Speaker D:They're probably paying him a lot of money.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:He's gonna take his crazy hat and all his alcohol.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, but it.
Speaker A:It would.
Speaker A:I mean, some of it I enjoyed, but for the majority, no, I'd have to pass on that.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker D:It's pretty graphic.
Speaker D:They're.
Speaker D:The graphic warning.
Speaker D:If you're not used to it, like, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, the.
Speaker B:I could take the, like, the wet goo monster stuff, but, like, the.
Speaker B:The spider legs out of the head and that.
Speaker B:That's where I got a little rough for me.
Speaker C:I gotta be kidding me.
Speaker B:I did not like that.
Speaker B:And it was.
Speaker D:You feel as frustrated as Kurt Russell with his flamethrower you're like, shoot it.
Speaker B:Oh, right.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Very well done.
Speaker B:As far as the creep factor and, like, just get.
Speaker B:Kill it, kill it, you know, anyway.
Speaker B:All right, well, it's a good one.
Speaker B:Good one.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Anything else?
Speaker B:All right, that is the thing.
Speaker B:We are out.
Speaker C:Here I go.
Speaker A:Here I go.
Speaker C:Oh, they should have shot the dog.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker D:I'd rather eat a grenade than have a monster.
Speaker C:No, absolutely, I'm good now.
Speaker C:I want to come out.
Speaker B:I really want to come back in there.
Speaker B:You know, the fringe God happens all the time.
Speaker B:They're dropping out of the skies.
Speaker B:They control South America.
Speaker B:Blair doesn't know who to trust.
Speaker B:Mac tells him, trust in the Lord now.
Speaker C:Now I've got the plane.
Speaker C:Throw in.
Speaker C:I'm ready to roast your.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker A:We watched it on Blu Ray.
Speaker A:Mistake.
Speaker D:Nice and clear.
Speaker C:I felt.
Speaker A:Well, I fell asleep until the screaming.
Speaker D:You feel as frustrated as Kurt Russell with this flamethrower.
Speaker D:You're like, shoot it.
Speaker B:Oh, right, absolutely.
