Steel Magnolias

Steel Magnolias

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[00:00:26] Phil: This time, we will be reviewing Hot Fuzz and Blade Runner The [00:00:30] Final Cut. Yup, that's right. Tuning in live allows you to get a review weeks before it comes out. Did I mention it will be ugly, unedited, and that we'll have to fix it in the mix?

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[00:00:51] Chris: All of this, like I felt like all the execution was very, very tight and well done.

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[00:01:01] Sherry: That's like Ricky Bobby. He's covering his face. Same with Tom Cruise, you know?

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[00:01:06] James: Go ahead and say it, Phil. When she's in the loud crowd. Put it in the trailer.

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[00:01:17] Chris: Yeah. I like the setup of it would be a lot.

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[00:01:25] James: That's a, that's an emotional swing for 24, 48 hours. [00:01:30]

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[00:01:46] Phil: So far. So for this. First, well, we say first episode. It could be released later. We don't know. Uh, we're recording it first for season three, but who knows when it'll show up. We are doing a movie that I would swear that I would not love. Fought [00:02:00] it all the way and Sherry kept pushing and that is Steel Magnolias.

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[00:02:08] Phil: there was. That was, that was the, uh, the deal with the devil or fall the house of Bill Seasons later. Don't

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[00:02:18] Phil: Yeah. So I made a deal and now it's time to pay.

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[00:02:32] Sherry: All I have to say is mission accomplished. I wanted you to watch this movie. Well, and I've been asking you for years.

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[00:02:39] Sherry: Yeah, right. Well, I mean, we've been married, it'll be 30 years. Yeah. And, finally.

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[00:02:58] Phil: You got your stuff, Sherry, [00:03:00] or?

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[00:03:03] Phil: Okay.

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[00:03:08] Phil: Well, okay.

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[00:03:14] Phil: bunch of them. So I

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[00:03:23] Phil: it.

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[00:03:27] Sherry: you want me to remind you of some of the names?

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[00:03:33] Sherry: if y'all want him just to take this one, I can just test him. No, no, no, no,

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[00:03:43] Chris: And what if like you, you are the in the hot seat, Billy, you can do like a, you know, a lifeline or some shit. Oh yeah.

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[00:03:51] James: No,

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[00:03:51] James: all going down together. Just full transparency. Before, uh, you know, we decided to watch this movie. I watched this movie [00:04:00] and then we had a hiatus. Yeah. I didn't want to watch it again.

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[00:04:09] Sherry: Well, we'll see. We'll try, I'll try. Well see. I didn't watch it again until last night, but I love it. Movie. Yeah, but you've

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[00:04:17] Sherry: a long time, so I've seen, I know. And I haven't watched the other one that we're reviewing.

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[00:04:21] James: grew up with this movie, so I, yeah, my mom loves this

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[00:04:25] Phil: off the hook. I didn't watch Lebowski before this session, but [00:04:30] I got my notes and I, there's gonna be no need. I hope that. I don't want to It's playing 24 7 on a loop in my head. Yeah, right. Alright, bumper and then, uh, we'll get into it.

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[00:04:58] Phil: Oh, I know, I know who said it. [00:05:00] Who? Was it anybody else? Go ahead, I know who it is, but go ahead. Clary. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

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[00:05:05] Phil: To, to, to, to, to Weezer.

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[00:05:09] Phil: Truvie? Well, she said it to Truvie about someone else.

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[00:05:12] Chris: you were gonna hear what she said about him. You're right. You're right. It wasn't Weezer.

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[00:05:24] Phil: I don't know that one. That's true.

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[00:05:30] Phil: down.

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[00:05:32] Sherry: All right. Now this one I think is one of my absolute favorite. Okay, and so that might give it away because anyway, yeah, and let me see if I can get through this and read my writing Okay, I am pleasant. Damn it I just saw drum Eatonton this morning at the Piggly Wiggly and smiled at the son of a bitch before I could help myself

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[00:05:52] Phil: No, no, but I've already answered so

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[00:05:58] Phil: name

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[00:06:01] Sherry: I love that. As a matter of fact, I was reading, uh, about the story when they asked, what's the lady that plays that part? Uh,

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[00:06:12] Sherry: asked her which part did she want to play besides they not Malin and not, um, Shelby, she said, I want the bitchy one.

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[00:06:29] Sherry: [00:06:30] Okay.

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[00:06:32] Sherry: Yeah.

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[00:06:35] Sherry: Well, you had said earlier that that had, they had some of the best one line. And as a matter of fact, let me see the guy who wrote it.

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[00:06:57] Phil: Yeah. You know, you got, yeah. You're you're Zingers. Yeah. [00:07:00]

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[00:07:11] Sherry: All the women in his community claimed that they were Weezer. Oh,

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[00:07:24] Sherry: Yes, he wrote a play. The Shelby

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[00:07:27] Chris: And he

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[00:07:35] Chris: Yeah. Yeah.

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[00:07:51] Sherry: Yeah. Right. And he didn't intend, I don't think, for it to be a comedy, but then he realized when people were laughing at the lines and everything. Yeah,

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[00:08:03] Sherry: I grew up in a small town, and I could relate to this, but it was, instead of like, People from the town.

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[00:08:15] James: Yeah. It was like a slice of Americana. Yeah. It, it, it, when I hear those, the, the accents. Yeah. That's the only thing that draws me out of this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is the combination of accents, some are over the top. The, the regional , [00:08:30] it's like in, I think in England or you can tell city to city the accents down here, it's like Dolly Parton has an accent that doesn't mix with Shirley McClain's accent.

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[00:08:42] Sherry: being honest. Julia Roberts is from Georgia, but I think she was over the top in this one. She was over

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[00:08:52] Sherry: the way she talked, but she's from Tennessee. And it's a different, yeah,

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[00:08:58] Chris: That she's not doing an accent. And she goes, [00:09:00] yeah, that's how she sounds.

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[00:09:19] Sherry: she really ever,

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[00:09:28] Phil: yeah.

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[00:09:37] James: That's it. Yeah. That was it. That's why they loved it.

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[00:09:51] Phil: All right. I got the information. Did anybody else print it out or no? Anybody else got it? Print out the internet? I printed the internet. [00:10:00]

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[00:10:01] Phil: Well, this is just one page, but then this is

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[00:10:06] Phil: It's still going. Gotta do something with

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[00:10:08] Chris: But no, man, it's, it's season three. Like, I think it's probably established now. You're the, you're the guy that prints. Oh, okay. The rest of us just That's

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[00:10:17] Chris: suck it up. And we, we hope like hell that Phil does what he's always done. You

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[00:10:24] Phil: We're working without a net here, people. Right. Thank god for edits. Alright, so, Steel Magnolias [00:10:30] 1989. There is a Steel Magnolias that I have not seen. I guess a remake, I don't know.

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[00:10:34] Phil: know that that's what Who's interested in that shit? Yeah, I don't know why they would redo it, I don't know, but They crushed it with this one.

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[00:10:43] Chris: meant, you know, you got the original, it's fine.

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[00:11:00] Phil: This is their blurb. A young beautician, newly arrived in a small Louisiana town, finds work at the local salon where a small group of women share a close bond of friendship and welcome her into the fold. That is not what this movie is about, in my opinion. The first Minute maybe I mean they welcome her into the fall, but that is not I mean, that's a through line

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[00:11:23] Chris: because it starts with with Daryl Hannah walking down the street, right?

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[00:11:38] Phil: this is an ensemble piece.

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[00:12:04] Phil: Curious

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[00:12:05] Phil: we agree or not. Sure, but that's the only way you can, because there's a lot going on, but there is one story that is the through line with, with Catboy.

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[00:12:13] Phil: Yes. Uh, Sherry's got a better blurb. That blurb, I just read that because it was so ridiculous.

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[00:12:19] Phil: go ahead and read the

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[00:12:28] Sherry: And as friend, [00:12:30] Truvy, Dolly Pardon, fixes the women's hair for the ceremony, they welcome a helping hand from expiring beautician, Anel. I forgot how to say that. Anel. Uh, I'm Expiring

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[00:12:44] Sherry: Aspiring. What did I say? Oh, you said expiring. She's

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[00:12:48] Sherry: She's her due. Dates out. I'm expiring.

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[00:13:06] James: Season three. Yeah.

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[00:13:17] Sherry: Time passes and the women and their friends encounter tragedy and good fortune growing stronger and closer in the process.

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[00:13:28] Chris: It's still really long.

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[00:13:30] Chris: They got in the weeds there, a little bit on their blurb.

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[00:13:37] Phil: Like, the first time I watched it, I was scrambling, like, what is going on here, how do I beat this out? As far as budget goes, it was a budget I, I found of 15 million and it did quite well. Uh, domestic 84 million, international 12 million for 96 million, almost 97. So it killed it. Uh, as far as the money went.

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[00:14:19] Phil: I didn't feel that way. The audience is pretty good. 89%. I would have thought that might have been a little higher. That's respectable, but the critics, the critics didn't love it. Like I [00:14:30] thought they should. And the audience, I thought loved it pretty good, but should, maybe should love it a little more. I don't know.

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[00:14:36] Chris: interesting.

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[00:14:53] Phil: Yes, I, I, I, like if I was to have a, another genre to add to Catboy, it would be the crying sister circles genre.

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[00:15:09] James: know. I I agree. It's it's really good But I mean then again, I mean who doesn't like soap operas anybody well as summer vacation as a kid Did you not sit and watch soap operas for a little while

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[00:15:20] Phil: I used to watch General Hospital with Luke and Lara now that's gonna date me big time But huh, but that's

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[00:15:33] Sherry: okay, I'm gonna say this. Soap operas, Days of Our Lives fan, I'm talking, uh, we recorded it.

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[00:15:46] Phil: we, she does not mean me and her. No,

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[00:15:59] Sherry: We [00:16:00] would, uh, we saw them play softball from the days of our lives. I had a team. We went to see them play, took the days of our lives tour. Now you went on the days of that

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[00:16:11] Sherry: we went out to Cal, I mean, when we lived out in California, even my father watched days of our lives and he. Actually raised his hand when the guy said, anybody here watch Days of Our Lives?

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[00:16:25] James: Yeah, it's, it's good stuff, but there's a [00:16:30] certain cheesiness to it. There's a certain It walks a fine line. We all know this, but this movie I think is just that cut above. It's, it's a contained story that, yeah, it's good. Yeah.

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[00:16:49] Chris: It's the cheesiness of Hallmark movies combined with the cheesiness of a soap opera. Yeah. And so it's, it's god awful to me. That's a beating. Like, and I'll sit through the Sister Crying Circle stuff, you [00:17:00] know, right? Try to be fair, and I can appreciate a good story, and I think any medium, but yeah, that one, that's rough.

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[00:17:12] Sherry: I don't even know what you're talking about.

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[00:17:18] James: Yeah, I canceled Netflix. I use a family account with my parents because you know, like just little things like I'll watch, but I'm not going to get, I'm

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[00:17:29] James: Yep. [00:17:30] Yeah. She's in five. Other than that, I rarely go. All these, all these kids, you know, playing. Twelve, thirteen year olds are now in their twenties. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's gonna be interesting.

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[00:17:52] Chris: Alright, there we are. I love how that sounds like cat porn.

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[00:18:10] Phil: It's animated. It is animated. Alright. Alright.

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[00:18:16] Phil: It's not Gar, not Garfield.

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[00:18:20] Phil: I. Latched onto what I thought was the core storyline. I found the beats to be structured quite well. It is going to be interesting to see if we all [00:18:30] latch onto that same core story. And if we don't, what we think it is.

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[00:19:03] Phil: For the character that I have picked as the main storyline. Yeah, that's what I had. Is it right? Okay, cool. Yeah, that's what I had.

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[00:19:18] Chris: And then three is acceptance.

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[00:19:22] Chris: Yeah.

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[00:19:40] Phil: She opens up, there is, uh, an opening image, which I think is not the opening image, it's an establishing montage of the town through the eyes of Anel. And I think that's, as the credits are rolling, to give us The setting, you know, this small town, everybody's friendly, you know, slice of life, Southern hospitality, all that kind of stuff.[00:20:00]

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[00:20:22] Phil: Yes, so, so, all the beats will relate to her character growth for me throughout the movie. No, it's the same.

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[00:20:33] Phil: Okay, so we might be hitting this. I don't

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[00:20:38] Phil: B

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[00:20:39] Phil: Yes, I do and it's it's I would I initially balked at it But then I thought no that's that to me that works in my mind and it'll be interesting to see who y'all picked is the B story because I Struggled with that and then I sort of settled on what I settled on and I thought Okay, do we want to wait till we get to the B Story?

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[00:21:02] James: Interesting. I had it as Anel, the Daryl Hannah. Yeah, that's, I guess, person. Because we, we get the majority of her beginning, middle, and end, and what she's fighting through, and. But, hell yeah. Yeah, and she

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[00:21:21] Phil: Okay. Well, we could, we could talk about that then, because that, that, that has merit. Like I said, I, I struggled initially with, but then I thought, well, okay, anyway, we'll get to it. [00:21:30] We'll elaborate more when we get to it. Yeah. Anything else about opening image? I think we all agree.

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[00:21:36] Chris: Uh, I disagree now. I just haven't thought about it. Yeah? Yeah. It's Shelby. Shelby's a B story.

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[00:21:42] Chris: Yeah. For the mom. Yeah. Cause she, and I guess we get, as we get into it, like she already always had the answer. Like she knew how to deal with it, how to deal with the problem. It's the mom that was dealing with the wrong way.

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[00:22:04] Phil: Yes. The reason I picked Jack Jr.

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[00:22:25] James: Well, that would make sense. She, you know, quote unquote, made all those mistakes with [00:22:30] Shelby. Now she has a new start with the Jack Jr. Yeah. Yeah. Nice, James. That would make sense. Yeah. Do it the right way this time.

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[00:22:39] James: That's good. Uh,

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[00:22:41] James: Yeah. I'll change, I'll change my

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[00:22:43] Phil: Sure. No final answers here. Set up. Small town, wedding, friendly people, very colorful characters. The gun toting, bird hating, drum eatington. I wrote these down to keep track of their names. Truvie and Spud Jones. Their marriage needs work. The last thing her husband did for her was in [00:23:00] 1972. So again, you're gonna Every, every one of these characters has an arc, a through line through the movie.

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[00:23:21] Phil: Cleary, Belcher, a definitely, a definitely self obsessed elder socialite. Uh, Jackson, uh, Lachery, the rich and successful fiancée of Shelby, and [00:23:30] Weezer Boudreaux, angry, dog loving, eccentric. These all are introduced pretty much in Succession.

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[00:23:40] James: Yeah. Every woman I know wants to be Weezer. Yeah. Every one of them. They don't want to be any other characters. They love her. Yes. They want to be able to be just like her when they get old. Well,

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[00:23:57] Chris: I wish I'd asked Stacey. Like, if I had to pick, I think [00:24:00] she'd want to be, you know, like, her, it's like Shelby, her outlook, right?

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[00:24:10] Phil: she,

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[00:24:12] Phil: Unapologetic.

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[00:24:21] Chris: Yeah. And then once

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[00:24:28] Phil: There's that, there's that very quick moment between [00:24:30] her and, uh, Drum, where she sort of nudges him in the back. You can tell they, they really love each other, but they're going, but they love going at each other, you know.

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[00:24:41] Sherry: I was just gonna say My friend that I lost. Yeah. Um, I kind of think of us as kind of like Clary and Weezer. I see that now. The two of us. Yeah. You shoved her off

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[00:24:56] Sherry: more like Clary. Oh, okay.

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[00:25:01] Phil: She was, she was, uh, Pretty much like Weezer, but just

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[00:25:05] Phil: she had she

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[00:25:09] Phil: team. Yeah, right now I'm particularly interested into what y'all think the theme state it is because I Initially had a hard time Picking this, but then they said it twice and I'm like, no, that has to be it.

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[00:25:36] Chris: stated

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[00:25:36] Chris: is one. I couldn't nail it down. No. No. I thought about shooting birds and trees. I I'm like, damn it. I missed it.

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[00:25:46] Phil: do you think the theme of this movie is? Theme? Yeah. Like if you. English? Yeah. See, that's the problem. Okay.

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[00:25:56] Phil: tell you what it is if you, but I wanted to see what, what [00:26:00] I think it is, you know. There you go. Just think

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[00:26:04] Phil: All right. Now, it's not, it's going to seem counterintuitive because it did to me at first and I wrote it down almost with a question mark, but then I sort of watched the movie with that in mind and it seemed to work for me.

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[00:26:34] Phil: There is no such thing as natural beauty. Okay? That counts as saying it twice. Yes, they repeat it to each other

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[00:26:42] Phil: No, right right there Like I almost like they wanted you to get it. Okay, so so I started looking at the movie and We'll sum up as we go through and toward the end.

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[00:27:18] Phil: You know, uh,

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[00:27:28] Phil: Magnolias. Yes, absolutely. [00:27:30] Cause there's a

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[00:27:32] Phil: Yes. She

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[00:27:34] Chris: Yeah. He couldn't take

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[00:27:51] James: She goes? Oh, honey. I'm not there when they're doing it. There's wigs

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[00:28:03] James: Little electrician.

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[00:28:09] Chris: Hope y'all paid the rent, you didn't cut the power. Yeah. Yeah. It's nap time, get out. That's right.

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[00:28:23] Phil: Now. That sounds good.

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[00:28:28] Phil: yeah,

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[00:28:29] Phil: is at nine minutes and [00:28:30] 20 seconds.

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[00:28:37] Chris: Yeah. The weight it carries.

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[00:28:58] Phil: I love that line. That's [00:29:00] from Drum. The sanctuary looks like it's been hosed down with Pepto Bismol. Sherry was going on about how tacky all that pink was.

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[00:29:12] Phil: Ah, simple. It was a classy affair.

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[00:29:19] Phil: Sherry, neither Sherry nor I were into a big wedding or whatever.

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[00:29:24] Chris: Yeah,

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[00:29:26] Chris: way to do it. Yeah, I think the, the comments about the, her wedding [00:29:30] colors, I think those are Stacey's favorite lines. Oh yeah. She repeated them. Yeah. Blush

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[00:29:35] Chris: colors are pink

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[00:29:36] Phil: Yeah. Good old Southern values. Do you either shoot it, stuff it, or marry it? Uh, and then was she hurt? I doubt it. She got hit in the head.

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[00:29:45] Phil: Oh, and

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[00:29:48] Sherry: do you know, as many times as I've seen that movie, it did not occur to me until last night that that was who she was talking about.

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[00:29:58] Phil: two pigs fighting,

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[00:30:04] Chris: that's funny. I like when these, uh, at the wedding, any, uh, drum comes up to get some of the armadillo cake that Weezer is serving for everybody and, you know, basically put a break in our, our test so I can get a piece of cake.

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[00:30:21] Phil: Yeah, no, neither one given. I wrote that as one of my favorite lines later, but yeah, neither one given any ground, man. They're going to go at each other. All right. Now. [00:30:30] Catalyst, I have at 25 minutes. What do you have for your catalyst?

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[00:30:35] Chris: Yes, I do have a catalyst. Okay.

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[00:30:39] Chris: diabetic seizure. Same. Okay. Cause everything seems great. Yes. Life's freaking great at that point. And then also that's our first sign of things are not as rosy as they seem.

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[00:30:55] James: I guess it was a hypoglycemic issue from diabetes. Diabetes. Diabetes. [00:31:00] Is that the way people act when they have an issue? I always seem, same

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[00:31:10] Chris: Yeah, I was like, is that right? Is that what?

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[00:31:18] Chris: that

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[00:31:23] Chris: Yeah. But, but, uh, they were looking for candy and juice to, to calm her

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[00:31:27] James: Yeah. But she was like saying mean [00:31:30] stuff and shaking and I'm going to run away. And

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[00:31:49] Phil: She's just fell asleep in the chair. I mean, there's

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[00:32:04] Chris: Yeah. And then, um, it's almost like somebody said something wrong or something at first. And then, but yeah, the, the, there's this, there's a big music shift when, uh, Yeah, when it starts or whatever. Well,

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[00:32:26] Chris: or frustrates her.

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[00:32:38] Phil: She'll talk about my ceremony and yep.

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[00:32:42] Chris: I remember her fate and all that stuff. Um, but I hadn't seen it in a long time, but when she first came down the stairs, bitch about her nails, I was like, I was like, fucking hell. Yeah, exactly, Brad. I was like, really? This is the person that we're gonna get all upset about. Later on I was like, well, I don't think I'm gonna care this time, watching it.

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[00:33:15] Chris: Yeah,

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[00:33:17] Chris: cap moment, you know? Yeah.

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[00:33:33] Chris: Yeah, no, she did a good job throughout the whole thing, yeah. And she, yeah, I guess we looked it up, she, she won an Academy Award for it.

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[00:33:51] Phil: but

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[00:33:55] Phil: know,

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[00:33:58] Phil: always do [00:34:00] anything.

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[00:34:03] Chris: haven't. And I need to tune into that. You

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[00:34:19] Phil: But, uh, the debate seems to be whether or not to have kids. Any thoughts that, what

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[00:34:37] Chris: Well, she's very yes. Yeah, very protective of her and you she tells her one point you have limits You can't do it other people have to do you know what I mean, so I feel like that was the whole debate was because that's the For me like if it's the the arc is her here's the life problem And then the wrong way to fix it is to, to mother and to limit yourself and not truly live.

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[00:34:57] Chris: not, and just, instead of just accepting it [00:35:00] and living the best life you can. Yeah. Right. And which is to me, that's what the answer is. And Shelby has it figured out. And that's why she's always at odds with her mom. Yeah. Cause Shelly and Sally Field does not have that figured out.

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[00:35:10] Chris: Yes. Yeah. It was more than just kids to me, I guess.

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[00:35:27] Chris: like, is their marriage not doing great, or?

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[00:35:35] Phil: Jackson was initially fine with adopting, but then maybe he had second thoughts, and it was causing problems.

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[00:35:50] James: give out or something? They don't have enough? Because,

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[00:36:02] Phil: So, I don't know if I bought that, but, uh, For

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[00:36:06] Phil: the story, they had to do it that way.

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[00:36:20] James: ago. People who shouldn't have the kids they have are adopting more kids.

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[00:36:25] Phil: I'm always reminded of the Keanu Reeves line. I don't know what the movie is, you know, and I've said it before. [00:36:30] You have to have a license to drive a car, but any asshole can be a dad, you know, or whatever. Right. That's Parenthood, right? That's absolutely true. Yes. Parenthood? Is that the movie? Is it?

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[00:36:44] Chris: Yep. Parenthood? Cause he's talking about, uh, Joaquin Phoenix's dad. Oh, okay, okay, okay. And her husband. Yeah. That's one messed up little dude. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. I completely agree with that, by the way.

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[00:36:58] Phil: to your point

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[00:37:08] Phil: I agree with you about whether you can have a regular life.

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[00:37:30] Chris: special.

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[00:37:33] Phil: Yeah. Versus versus a lifetime of not so special or something. I'm like, Well, you've got a husband, you've got friends, you've got, like, why is that the only thing that is special in your life? Like, she loves her husband, her husband loves her, I don't, I didn't understand why she put everything on the kid and then everything without a kid would not be special.

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[00:37:54] Chris: she was driven to have a kid. Yes. And just didn't want to be limited by

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[00:38:21] Phil: Okay. Well, that is something, but you've got a guy shooting arrows into the air and bullets and they got to come down somewhere. And then later I found out they were blanks, but I was just astounded [00:38:30] and impressed with his Well, they

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[00:38:34] Phil: God almighty.

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[00:38:36] Sherry: I guess.

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[00:38:48] Sherry: Yeah.

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[00:38:49] Sherry: of stuff. Aw, thanks. One of them hit her garage. Possible. Probably.

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[00:38:56] Chris: Oh, is it? Yeah. Yeah, somebody shoots a gun up in the air and then They

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[00:38:59] Chris: [00:39:00] down. And the bullet comes out and hits somebody. No, it's uh, Brad Pitt and, and uh, Julia Roberts. I just remembered that. It's, uh, funny. Oh,

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[00:39:06] Chris: was thinking of the

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[00:39:09] Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[00:39:12] Phil: No, no, no. I just, I thought that was Johnny Depp maybe.

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[00:39:18] Phil: Desperado. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Where

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[00:39:20] Phil: messed up Desperado.

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[00:39:21] Phil: third one was I did not like it.

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[00:39:25] Sherry: What do they do in Grown Ups? They shoot arrows?

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[00:39:29] Sherry: Well [00:39:30]

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[00:39:33] Phil: This is the times we live in because I remember as a kid, we had lawn darts, which were essentially a big spike that you threw in the air and you moved and you moved.

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[00:39:48] James: to go up in the air and come down. It was a regular dart, yes, but it was the size, like, Twenty times of darkness. This

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[00:40:04] James: Ideally, it was supposed to go, what, like three inches in the ground. So it was a steel spike. Yeah, the spike

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[00:40:10] Chris: long. It wasn't repurposed by kids. This was sold as a game for kids. A big plastic

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[00:40:17] James: at each end. Yeah, we, I, I, I remember playing it when they were banned. I remember something saying about like, yeah, these were banned.

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[00:40:26] Chris: should bring it back, right? Hey, kids, forget Tide Pods. Here's a [00:40:30] Lone Dart.

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[00:40:32] James: You know, they gotta put warning labels on something. Gotta give them something to put warning labels on, so. Anyway.

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[00:40:40] Phil: Don't try to get on my good side. I, truthfully, I no longer have one. Most of these are wheezers. He's a boil on the butt of humanity. He's a real gentleman. I bet he takes the dishes out of the sink before he pees in it. Uh, and then, uh, my personal tragedy will not interfere with my ability to do good hair.

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[00:41:15] Phil: I should have known Louis had problems when his imaginary playmates wouldn't play with him. Uh, there's some pretty sick tickets in this town. These are um, Truvy. And then to what Chris already quoted, thanks, Weezer, nothing like a good piece of ass when he gets the cake. Like two pigs fighting under a blanket, that's an uh, uh, [00:41:30] what's her name?

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[00:41:34] Phil: Yeah, it was uh, who was it, what's her name? Clary. Clary. Clary. I always get Anel and Clary. Those two mess up in my mind.

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[00:41:52] Chris: This is the best cherry Coke in the world. Yeah. He just looked like a serial killer. I'm like, run. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, no. Well, that's, Oh God. What's his [00:42:00] name? Oh yeah. Stacey called it. I didn't. Um, I was like. Kevin J. O'Connor. Yeah. It was in the mummy. He's Benny from the fucking. Really? Yeah. My Stacey got it.

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[00:42:14] Phil: I could see it, but

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[00:42:18] James: yeah, he, he lost weight. . It's always, always great. But yeah, he, he looks like that in this movie. Yeah.

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[00:42:25] James: it was like 10 years between

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[00:42:26] James: two

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[00:42:27] Chris: Well, that

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[00:42:30] Chris: Uh,

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[00:42:36] Chris: There was one in there where, uh, uh, I don't know who it was. One of the guests at the wedding says it to, uh, Shelby.

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[00:42:55] Phil: Yes.

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[00:42:58] Phil: Now, a bit of debate which seems to be [00:43:00] settled for the moment when Shelby says She and Jackson will take care of each other and I'm not stupid.

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[00:43:22] Phil: But then, of course, later,

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[00:43:30] Phil: I initially didn't get that conversation, like, well, the wedding is planned, why are you saying

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[00:43:34] Phil: Will you marry me? And she had said that she wouldn't marry him because she wanted not to mess up his life by not having kids, yeah.

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[00:43:53] Chris: Yeah, the way she gets broken up when she is riding away, and the, cause now it's, and there's even a, a Shelby makes a comment later on [00:44:00] about, you're just pissed off that you can't control.

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[00:44:19] Phil: Yes, I'm, I'm very close to that. I don't have that as my break in the two just yet, but I'm very close. Come on, man, we're driving into the second act. I know, I know. What do you got? Let's see. [00:44:30] There is a significant break at 4740, as some time has passed. It is now Christmas. I guess Truvie's son has a girlfriend.

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[00:45:04] Chris: I was hoping you could tell me congratulations or something, I don't want you to break a sweat. Yeah, yeah, right, yes. Congratulations. Yes. At least you did, it was good stuff.

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[00:45:22] Phil: Dang, man. Movie's half over at that point. Yes. Well, that's, I mean, well, that's true. At least the, the question has at least been made [00:45:30] mute. Is that it? Is that all you're going to say? What do you want me to say? You know, so this back and forth. With the debate over and the second act broke into, there are only the consequences of crossing the threshold.

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[00:45:54] Chris: Yeah. I guess I looked at us cause it's the whole, it's the whole life thing, right?

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[00:46:15] Chris: Can she have a normal life? Right. Can she, you know, adopt kids? Can she can end up having her own? So now she comes back and bam, hit her. Cause it's all about dealing with the problem the wrong way. And mom's like, nope, you don't have fucking kids. Right, try to adopt. Well, we can't adopt. And then mom's solution would have been, well, they don't have any kids at [00:46:30] all.

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[00:46:38] Phil: Well, I totally agree with that. In my mind, though, is her trying to adopt and her trying to buy a kid still debating?

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[00:46:55] Chris: uh,

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[00:47:05] Chris: Right. So I think, and she told him, don't be, she talked about them, don't be dumb, blah, blah, you know, and then it didn't matter.

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[00:47:28] Chris: the right way, like, [00:47:30] I just want to live my life.

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[00:47:36] Phil: Yeah, so the, it almost becomes the question of, you know, Is life good because it's long or is life good because it's lived well? And Shelby would answer that question, well, if life is good because you live well, 30 minutes of good is better than a lifetime of eh.

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[00:47:57] Chris: Yeah, cause this is the movies about her. Dealing with, you [00:48:00] know, diabetes or whatever and trying to live, you know, the best life she can and mom having to accept Control of that and just trying to be happy for because even at the jump ahead a little bit But even the once they announced it cuz dad's on board right dad's gonna have the same concerns as she does It's his daughter too, right, but he goes, you know, it makes a big deal about it.

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[00:48:21] Phil: Yeah

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[00:48:31] Phil: The only one that

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[00:48:47] Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, that's terrible, because they could have had the family come. Right? Yes. Yes. There's a lot of shots of her by herself because she's, yes,

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[00:48:56] Chris: problem the wrong way. In my opinion. I think it's all visual clues that she's [00:49:00] doing the wrong way.

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[00:49:02] Phil: I agree. I just have three fun and great games because it occurs after this conversation.

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[00:49:08] Phil: The, the, the, the acting between Shelby and Malin, the advent of a child spells life for one and death for another. I think it would help things a lot. I thought with subtext, I think it would help things a lot, meaning there's something not right either in the marriage or her life.

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[00:49:27] Chris: Uh, so I thought what was going on there. It's interesting, I just thought about it. [00:49:30] Who knows what this, what the writer meant. But like to James point earlier about being able to do things, a second chance to do things the right way with Jack Jr.

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[00:49:39] Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah, that's true. So I thought that was, and then a couple of lines, I never worry because I know you worry enough for the both of us. I thought that summed up Malin's character pretty well. She worries enough for everybody.

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[00:49:51] Phil: As well as you're jealous because you no longer have a say so in what I do and that drives you up the wall. Now, I thought that was cruel, but a little bit accurate. You know, it's driving you up the wall [00:50:00] that you can't control, and I'm doing something that potentially could cause a problem, but I don't see it that way, and you do, kind of thing.

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[00:50:26] Phil: Um, why is the only thing that matters is having a child and make a [00:50:30] wonderful life. And then we had talked about this, a life lived long or a life lived well. Uh, I said, if the theme is there is no such thing as natural beauty, then does that mean beauty in whatever form you imagine for yourself often comes a great sacrifice, sometimes the ultimate sacrifice.

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[00:50:55] Chris: Yeah, I think she has a line in there too when they're arguing in the kitchen about immortality.

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[00:51:03] Phil: Yeah.

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[00:51:11] Chris: She's not going to live as long as, I guess, someone who's not special, right? To use their moms. So. I think it's probably another reasonable driving factor about why kids are so important.

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[00:51:27] Phil: Her arc is causing her much pain at this juncture. There's a scene where it [00:51:30] focuses just on Malin when she's basically being confronted with the change that she has to make to accept this or not accept this. And, and Sally Field, to her credit, you can read it on her face. There's, Being confronted with change at the

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[00:51:44] Chris: I think it was in there and Shelby

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[00:51:58] Phil: The only reason people are nice to [00:52:00] me is because I have more money than God. I'm not crazy Malin I just have been in a very bad mood for 40 years or the two quotes. I liked from that now I thought this was a very light scene You To balance the one we just had, which is this whole discussion, congratulations, you know, good sensibility, the problems, the problem still looms, but everyone gets a breather, including the audience, because you just got through a heavy scene between Shelby and Malin, which basically Malin thought was a death sentence.

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[00:52:39] Phil: I love that line. And then Malin is still battling. She's still not willing to accept this change. Shelby does a lot of things I can't believe and then Weezer says Malin what's wrong with you? You got a reindeer up your butt, which again is another Weezer golden one, you know,

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[00:53:01] Chris: Yeah, letting this plague her

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[00:53:31] Phil: Uh, cause Weezer says the baby is not exactly great news. Uh, uh, I think Well, I, I think a lot of that, uh, to me was, they thought she could not. Right. They were under the impression she could not, not that she should not. Right. She could have kids, but it'd probably kill her. You know, that kind of thing. Yeah.

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[00:53:50] Phil: Yeah.

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[00:53:51] Phil: The magnolias they gather around her and I wrote down because I guess I I don't know if I didn't really grasp the meaning of the title [00:54:00] until maybe this viewing I sort of I didn't think about it but if if all her all these women are the magnolias there the steel magnolias they all gather around her.

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[00:54:09] James: gang? With the steel magnolias, they got leather jackets, and steel magnolias around them.

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[00:54:17] James: granny biker gang.

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[00:54:35] Phil: Right. Right. And she seems to at that point, she smiles and laughs and nothing, nothing pleases Shelby more than proving me wrong. So at that point, I think she's ready to be proved wrong and hopes that it will be proved wrong. Is that your midpoint? Well, I'm about to say that brings us up to my midpoint.

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[00:54:53] Chris: false victory, she survived childbirth and the kids there and they're singing them happy birthday or whatever.

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[00:55:08] Phil: Yeah. That's.

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[00:55:25] James: 20 months as well? Can we like think that it's 18 months, 18 months, 18 month [00:55:30] jumps? Maybe so. It's like they never tell us how long is in between. Right. Right. Yeah. It's changing in the seasons or the holidays. Right. Yeah. But then you jump to Jack Jr. 's first birthday. Yeah. It's been a year. So it's at least 18 months.

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[00:55:46] Sherry: I have something to say about that scene when y'all are done. Oh, but that,

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[00:55:55] Phil: but yeah, significant time breaks.

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[00:56:06] Chris: I don't know why I thought that's where you were going, but I was like, Whoa, I missed that. There

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[00:56:18] Chris: Yes.

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[00:56:26] Chris: who that was?

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[00:56:30] Chris: It's, uh, Janine Turner from, uh, Northern Exposure and Cliffhanger. That's what I remember her from. Yeah, yeah. Her hair is dark and short later on. Yeah, that, yeah, that is her.

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[00:56:55] Phil: I thought I

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[00:57:08] Phil: weird. Yep.

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[00:57:18] James: Oh, like a body double? They never show her face. They

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[00:57:29] Sherry: Wait,

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[00:57:40] Chris: Yeah. You

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[00:57:42] Chris: they didn't? At first, but then revealed that it, oh, no, she's everything's cool. She's here. Cause I do think it's supposed to be her sitting there, but they never show that actual face. So I wonder

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[00:57:51] Sherry: Right.

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[00:57:57] Sherry: And she's wearing a white shirt and then the very next scene is her [00:58:00] and Malin walking out of the house. She's wearing a shirt.

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[00:58:08] Chris: They do not show her face. She was like, uh, she was sick that day or something, you know? Yeah, I'd have to Possibly. They might've How did they film the whole thing? Went, Shit, we don't have any damn Yeah. Footage of the kid's birthday party. Might've done a reshoot. Yeah. A pre dub or whatever.

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[00:58:21] James: Making movies is crazy, I'm sure. Hell yeah.

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[00:58:26] Chris: then they never revealed, Nope, just playing. She's cool. I like that. Yeah, they [00:58:30] never show her face. Never noticed that.

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[00:58:41] Phil: Two times in a derogatory way and one time in a very meaningful, accepting way. Shelby getting her haircut. Malin obviously is not thrilled, but it's determined to embrace the change being asked of her and putting on a good face. So at this point, she's trying to make the change and seems to be accepting of it.

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[00:59:12] Phil: And looks very disappointed. Cause, cause she doesn't react well when she says she wants to get her hair cut. And she said, Oh, I think that'd be precious. Meaning I'm trying to make the best of this, but. Trying to be accepting of things, but I'm not, I don't like things I can't control. It's like saying, bless

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[00:59:26] Phil: Yes. Because earlier on talking about the pink and the [00:59:30] pink and looks like Pepto-Bismol, how precious is this wedding going to get, you know, precious meaning not good, you know?

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[00:59:42] Chris: But yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

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[00:59:48] Chris: the choices that I don't agree with that are going to make my daughter happy.

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[00:59:56] Phil: So several lines from this section, they were both hot. Oh, this [01:00:00] is when talking about this Merry Christmas in the hotel room that she lost her title. They were both high. They've been smoking everything but their shoes. Uh, and I already said this, she's the Miss Merry Christmas to be caught with her tinsel down around her knees.

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[01:00:21] James: liked that line.

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[01:00:26] Phil: I thought that was cool. Yeah. Yeah, and this, I [01:00:30] love, I love this line. Again, I can't remember Olympia Dacostas, why can I not remember her name? Clary. Clary. Clary. God almighty. Why are you in such a good mood? You run over a small child or something? I love that. That's the midpoint false victory as I have it, then we move into the bad guys close in.

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[01:00:48] Chris: Shelby's haircut?

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[01:00:54] Chris: No, I mean the haircut, that's the first sign of bad guys clothes in that's got awful. It was not precious, man. Okay.

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[01:01:04] Phil: Yeah. Okay. Alright.

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[01:01:09] Sherry: Well, I just, I think, you know what, I think it was, I think it was a wig that she had over all that hair. Oh, shut. And it just made it look weird. I know. I'm looking up

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[01:01:18] Chris: looking up Hook, I asked the wife and she said it was two years later, she said it was 91, because I thought, did they cut it for Hook because it was a similar haircut.

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[01:01:28] Phil: like she was Peter Penn or whatever.

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[01:01:31] Phil: Yeah. It was was way close. Cut, I

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[01:01:35] Sherry: I think she probably like a Jimmy More ghost type deal. She's probably got really thick hair and see my hair is really thick and I don't think that

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[01:01:48] James: in 89. So they were filming in 80, 88. Right. I

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[01:01:53] James: might be why, because it looks similar to the

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[01:01:58] James: Yeah, I think it's too early. I think it's [01:02:00] probably a wig.

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[01:02:03] Phil: Well, I mean it, it could be a wig over her short hair because if it was way shorter than that. Cause it looked, it looked good in hook. Just the way they did No, I'm talking about a wig

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[01:02:13] Phil: long hair. But if she cut it short for Peter Pan, it's way shorter than that.

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[01:02:22] James: Maybe, sorry. That's why maybe in that reshoot scene where it doesn't show her, her hair was too short and couldn't do a wig. [01:02:30] And she wasn't available. She was filming hook. Maybe. I don't know.

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[01:02:36] James: She did a shocking, like.

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[01:02:42] Phil: I betcha that's exactly, that's it. I don't know. I always thought it was a wig. That's genius.

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[01:02:58] Chris: But, Making a [01:03:00] series of making bad choices that are gonna come, you know, come back to get you I'm gonna cut my hair and then she did not like her hair Words immediately. Well shit. I did what you asked me to right? Oh, yeah, you did She's

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[01:03:18] James: If it's up, it's down if it's black It's yeah, she's right. I'm gonna go hell. No, don't cut your hair, right? Yeah Improvingly wrong. Yeah, it's like Shelby. You're not gonna like it. Well, I'm gonna do it. Anyway, I hate it I told you. Yeah. [01:03:30] Where Malin doesn't respond

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[01:03:39] Phil: Uh, the haircut, because that's where it happened. So we're, we're basically on the same beat. Shelby looks like you've been driving nails up your arm. Her kidneys are not doing well. And she is undergoing, we find out she's been undergoing dialysis. She needs a kidney transplant, but mom is stepping up, offering a kidney of her own, which again, is, is noble, but again, Malin is doing everything she can to control.

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[01:04:01] Chris: the ultimate doing it. Trying to fix problem the wrong way.

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[01:04:15] Phil: Yes, I have. And she doesn't. So she's trying, but it hasn't really gotten down to where, well, I guess we'll tell him it's real. She's been

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[01:04:24] Phil: Right. She's trying, but the change has not arrived yet. Okay. So there's a couple of lines here. This is an L [01:04:30] when she's super religious. I'm not going to spend 50 years with someone I'm not going to run into in the hereafter.

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[01:04:39] Chris: Yeah. Cause he, he says both Jesus and God. Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ.

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[01:04:45] Chris: Oh my goodness. Maybe that's why Benny is, you know, references, you know, so many religions later on, cause now I'm so confused. Right.

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[01:04:58] Phil: Truvie says she is jealous. [01:05:00] Okay, now, now, again, this, everybody has an arc, so Truvie and Spud's arc is their marriage is not great because Spud is distant.

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[01:05:08] Phil: Truvie says she is jealous of the Eatons, Eatonsons, and know how, because they know how much they mean to each other, I put down Spud and Truvie still need work.

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[01:05:19] Phil: Yeah, yeah, and then he's fixing his car and Is that this weird looking thing? Yeah,

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[01:05:30] Phil: thing she does not appreciate what he has.

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[01:05:32] James: 1972 or whatever. And Dolly Parton. Ooh, Lord. Back in 89. Sure. I mean, now, even now. Yeah, she's

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[01:05:49] Chris: I thought they were funny. Dad did not. No, no, no. He was not appreciative.

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[01:05:53] Phil: thrilled. Weezer has found a new beau. She goes to church to see her boyfriend, you know, which she refuses to acknowledge as [01:06:00] her boyfriend just yet. Weezer, what brings you here? Shut up, is the answer. There, my secret is out. I'm having an affair with a Mercedes Benz. I thought that was good. All right.

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[01:06:23] Phil: And then, uh, You were playing hard to get. At her age, she should be playing Beat the Clock. [01:06:30] I thought it was good. Okay, so now it's the day of the, uh, surgery. The Steel Magnolias have gathered in the waiting room waiting for the outcome. Anel gets married, uh, in a shower. It's raining, but she has a shower.

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[01:07:07] Phil: Yes.

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[01:07:13] Phil: Yes. She, so bad guys are still lurking around and then. Uh, Weezer, I do not see plays because I can nap at home for free. Uh, this is, uh, in the I watch movies cause they're trash.

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[01:07:41] Phil: Uh, Weezer says, unapologetic. Uh, when, when she pulls the wax off her lip to get the, And then she starts, but you take the Bible and she just wanted to say something mean to get rid of the pain, which brings me to my all is lost, which necessarily has to be a false defeat. You have it here.

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[01:08:03] Phil: Yep, absolutely. Uh, Shelby has passed out in his own coma. Jack Jr is traumatized as well as Jackson. Malin as well. The kidney, you can hear in the background the doctor say the kidney. Rejection

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[01:08:13] Phil: Rejection of kidney.

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[01:08:19] Chris: The coma may be irreversible, he also said. Did you hear that too? I didn't hear that.

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[01:08:26] Chris: it and I rewound it because like that's what he said right then I noticed when I listened to it a second time, I was like, [01:08:30] yep, it's definitely louder.

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[01:08:41] Phil: camera's focused. Yeah, the camera's focused on Shelby, but in the background you hear the doctors.

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[01:09:10] Sherry: Just to let you know the, the true side of that.

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[01:09:29] Phil: Oh, I gotcha. Yes. [01:09:30] Yes. But for Malin and her arc, it is a false defeat. Yeah. Cause

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[01:09:38] Chris: this was always going to happen one way or the other. Yes. Uh, yeah. She's been rallying and fighting against it. Like trying to, you know what I mean? Yes. Like he's almost wouldn't accept that her daughter's going to die or whatever.

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[01:09:51] Phil: for her to grow, you know, This needs to happen almost. Shelby had a little bit of wonderful over a lifetime of nothing special. So she, she eventually will die, but [01:10:00] she feels like she had her wonderful. I would say.

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[01:10:15] Chris: Do you some good, get a real meal the rest of the time he's in the doorway. Everybody's out. She's the only one that's in the room. Yep. And then there's one shot of, I guess, the, of Jackson being in there and the mom's out, but like the mom stage is all these, to me, just, I was thinking about the whole time, like the shots of her by herself.

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[01:10:30] Phil: Yes. Nobody else. Right. Right. Because, uh, I, I have Melinda's reverting. So she has tried to put on a face of acceptance, but I think she's reverting. Yeah. She's

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[01:10:44] Phil: Exercise

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[01:10:47] Phil: She's exercising her legs, reading to her, refusing to leave the bedside. What if she wakes up for two minutes and I'm not here? Like she is a cold steel grip on this situation and it's not working. Dark night of the [01:11:00] soul. I have, uh, there will be no recovery.

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[01:11:09] Chris: yeah, that, and I guess it, for me, it kind of goes into the, the funeral as well. Yeah, I think I'll break down and I want to know why, and I was prepared to go first, always prepared to go first.

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[01:11:20] Chris: Yeah.

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[01:11:23] Chris: There's not a

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[01:11:23] Chris: a shot of her standing. By the coffin by herself.

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[01:11:36] Phil: Yeah. Let me, Jackson comes up to hug her and she's not having of it or no, her son comes up to hug her and she says, Jackson, she'll need the pink dress. Call the funeral home immediately goes into almost like she was at the wedding, trying to control everything and make plans and making sure everything is going to be, so she is definitely.

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[01:11:55] Chris: Right. And I'll go get Jackson Jr. Myself.

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[01:12:06] Chris: Right.

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[01:12:10] Phil: Yeah. No avoidance. I think she's avoiding the whole situation. Uh, now, again, every character, every character in this has an arc, and I think there's a real nice scene between Truvie and Spud here, where Spud realizes Jackson lost his wife, and now he's thinking about what if I lost Truvie, and it's messed him up, and he, I [01:12:30] think, I think their marriage, I put it down, their marriage is going to be okay now, because they're going to, he's not going to be distant, having a sense of what it would be, Cause he says, you know, if that ever happened to me, I don't know what I would do.

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[01:12:40] Phil: And that's the first time he's actually even really Yeah, no,

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[01:12:53] Chris: Gets her a new, uh, a second shot.

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[01:13:12] Phil: Right. Uh, what the hell is this for? And then, because Truvy says it makes you pretty. Right? Now, it, it reminded me of that scene where, where Anel was taking the mustache off, uh, Weezer, and it hurt like hell, and that's why she said, take that Bible and shove it up your ass, you know? It's the same stuff. To make her [01:13:30] pretty was, was painful.

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[01:13:34] Chris: What the hell is this? It's not the mask stuff? It was the wax stuff? I thought it was the green mask stuff.

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[01:13:46] Phil: rip it off and you have that paper on to rip it off.

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[01:13:48] Phil: dead on. It makes you pretty, but it hurts, right? Yeah. These trying circumstances are going to make everyone pretty. Right. So by the end of the movie, everyone is gonna be quote unquote pretty, whatever that means. But not before. [01:14:00] There's a whole lot of pain and suffering. Symbol symbolized by, I think this hot wax.

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[01:14:13] Phil: Yes, uh, yes, but it's wherever, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, these, so I had these trying circumstances are going to make everyone pretty in this, in the sense of making them more complete people at the end and at most, uh, so it, okay, so it almost always works and it always hurts.

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[01:14:46] Phil: There is no such thing as natural beauty. So at that point, I was like, yeah, that's, that's gotta be the theme for me. You know, Malin standing alone by her daughter's casket. All is lost. Like, so at that point, I don't think we broke into three yet, but we are going to do it right now. Is that where you have?[01:15:00]

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[01:15:17] Phil: Because, because, so the first part of break, of breaking in is gathering the team. And the Steel Magnolias, they all gather around Malin. Okay. Yeah. At the casket. Yep. And, and, and so, okay. So, so, uh, [01:15:30] The, I think the language, the choice of language was significant here. They say it like three times. The flowers are beautiful.

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[01:15:49] Chris: Yeah. Cause she's like, yeah, flowers are beautiful. Yeah.

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[01:15:55] Phil: You know, I thought that was actually pretty brilliant.

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[01:16:15] Sherry: Yes. Okay. Yeah. Harling says the juxtaposition of strength and fragility is apt for Southern women. And this is a quote from him. He says, my mother would always [01:16:30] say to handle Magnolia blossoms carefully. Because they brew so easily you think of this flower that is so delicate and has to be handled with care But it's actually made of much stronger stuff.

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[01:16:52] Sherry: But yeah, I found that quote from him.

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[01:17:00] Phil: She says some trite religious phrase like, oh, she's with our king now, and this kind of thing. Mm-Hmm. . And even if you are a religious person in deep, dark pain like that, those kind of sayings, you don't

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[01:17:11] Phil: Yeah. You don't wanna hear that shit and they don't mean anything. It doesn't, you know, well, I'd rather have her hear, you know, which exactly right.

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[01:17:41] Phil: Not a trite expression, but sort of what it means. So I have that, it's gathering the team, storming the castle. We should, uh, she, Malin says, We should handle it the best way we know how and get on with it. Men are supposed to be made of steel or something, but the Magnolias have the real steel. And then she says, I was there when that wonderful creature drifted into my life, and I was there when she drifted out.

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[01:18:09] Sherry: It's the line that gets me every single time. That it just, That is, I don't know, that is one of the most moving lines ever in a movie for me.

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[01:18:34] Sherry: That line,

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[01:18:40] James: I like the rock over here. Don't cry. Don't cry. Don't cry.

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[01:18:51] Chris: Well, before you get into that, there's another moment I thought about, I guess, as far as her accepting.

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[01:19:08] Chris: She's acknowledging Shelby's view of something is correct.

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[01:19:15] Chris: Yeah.

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[01:19:20] James: I want to see about the high tower surprise, because I have one.

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[01:19:30] Chris: Yeah, she's the one going, football, football, right.

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[01:19:49] Phil: And then I thought that was balanced very well with this comedic moment. I just want to hit something and she grabs Weezer here, hit this, go ahead, Malin, slap her, knock her lights out. I [01:20:00]

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[01:20:03] Phil: Yeah. That

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[01:20:09] James: Yeah. You think, okay, this shakes right out of it.

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[01:20:23] Phil: And then of course, Weezer and, uh, what's her name again? Cleary. Cleary! You are evil [01:20:30] and must be destroyed. I thought that was cool. Mother is, Mother Nature is taking care of that faster than you could. Uh, Weezer, you know I love you more than my luggage. Uh, you are too twisted for color TV, that whole exchange, get off my bench.

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[01:21:02] Phil: And then, uh, I think, uh, Nell says that's no, not, uh, uh, Malin. Uh, that's how, she's pushing, uh, this is why I thought it was Jack Jr., but it's obviously Jack Jr. and Shelby, the beak story. That's how it should be. Life goes on as she's pushing.

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[01:21:23] Chris: Um, Shelby was a girl, Shelby was a boy, right? So, and then she goes, well, that's the way it should be. Life goes on. Life goes on. Which is

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[01:21:35] James: something you already? Yeah.

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[01:21:40] Phil: here. Hit Weezer for this up Easter egg hunt, final image. Uh, beauty is maybe I'm making more of this, but they're searching for Easter eggs, which are painted and colorful beauty is found after much work and searching, not naturally, you know, symbolized maybe by looking for eggs and being so excited when you find one.

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[01:22:16] Chris: Right.

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[01:22:23] Chris: Weezer.

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[01:22:27] Chris: Never seen from again. [01:22:30] So Weezer

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[01:22:38] Phil: So everybody's arc is sort of wrapped up at this point in a positive way. The Steel Magnolias gather around Danelle as they will for each other whenever the need arises. This is, I wrote down, this is beauty worked on in Hard 1, so cool. You know, she's pregnant, have to rush off to the hospital, and everyone gathers around each other.

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[01:23:09] Chris: The, at the end, right, the, the, he slaps Weezer, little Jack does, and starts crying and runs off. Yeah, and so I feel he hears it and immediately runs to the kid and picks him up and the first thought was well She's mothering him. Yeah, yeah. She hadn't changed, right? But I think what's important what she says, because they're like, oh, is he okay?

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[01:23:39] James: full board. Yeah. So you were, you were thinking, or I wanted to ask this anyway, you were saying that the whole time she was going about it the wrong way.

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[01:23:53] Chris: to not stress out about it and damn sure, don't give up your own kidney and all. Yeah. Just let go and just let her have 30 minutes. If it's 30 [01:24:00] minutes, it's 30 minutes. Yeah, I think that's the right way.

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[01:24:02] Phil: It's almost like, you know, you love something, set it free, and if it loves you, it'll come back, you know.

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[01:24:12] James: you know. Oh yeah, absolutely right. Yeah, and she missed out on all the fun.

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[01:24:21] Chris: instead of a life well lived. I've always been prepared to go first. Yeah. Shelly's gonna outlive me even if I got to give her my own kidney. Yes.

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[01:24:33] Phil: And Shelby had a different view. So yeah, so yeah, in any good movie, you're going to have the characters argue different parts of the theme. Well, life is good if it's long. No, another character life is good if it's well lived and right. Yeah. And I thought that was done well. Yeah.

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[01:24:49] Phil: Any other, that's good one. You know, I, I, I can like a movie for, cause I, I don't, this is not my favorite movie, uh, you know, it is a crying sister circle movie, but when you look at it. [01:25:00] You can I can like really respect this movie for the writing and the structure and the thematic elements to me that makes it

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[01:25:07] Phil: a worthwhile

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[01:25:13] James: Well, you were you you always say When you write a story you state the theme and you completely can you continue to state the theme throughout? Yeah, is this one of those ones you can see that

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[01:25:26] James: yeah, they debate it back and forth her and she's I think

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[01:25:33] Phil: And, and I think, you know, they're either reassuring or trying to convince or whatever, one character or another, uh, what do you, what, what makes a good life? You know?

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[01:25:44] Phil: Uh, Shelby thinks having kids will fix things. So maybe her understanding is a little skewed, but that's what makes her happy.

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[01:26:00] Sherry: Yes. I am happy.

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[01:26:23] Phil: Alright, Sherry. Mm-Hmm. , you go first obviously. I think we know what you're gonna,

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[01:26:32] James: you're welcome, ,

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[01:26:43] Sherry: Um. But I, of course, highly recommend it for one thing, just the. The actors and actresses that are in the movie itself are just amazing.

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[01:27:04] Sherry: even the minor, uh, uh, what is his name?

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[01:27:07] Phil: Sam

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[01:27:10] Phil: the caliber of actors, there's really no weak.

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[01:27:13] Phil: Hearts. No. Well that was,

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[01:27:26] James: Yeah, Julia Roberts was very young in this, yeah. Yeah, it was just a, it was that right time for [01:27:30] everybody to hit. And Julia Roberts won an Oscar.

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[01:27:39] Phil: did the Tallyfield do

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[01:27:41] Chris: That was probably half 94. Yeah, because she did, uh, Doubtfire in 93. So like her, you know, cause she's a little bit older. I'd be like her second. Arc of, you know, of, of hitting it and playing, you know, you

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[01:28:00] Chris: Progression to her second career. Just getting there. Pretty woman was what?

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[01:28:09] Phil: Yeah. The first time I saw Sally Field. Was in, was in Smokin the Bandit. Oh, Smokin the

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[01:28:18] James: I, I watched that for the first time not too long ago. Oh

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[01:28:22] Phil: good. No, the rest of them sucked. I don't know why they thought they needed to make more.

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[01:28:33] Chris: put a mustache on him, they'll never notice.

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[01:28:41] Phil: Well,

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[01:29:06] Sherry: What did you call it? But it's not to me. I don't, I don't watch the, the lifetime movies

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[01:29:14] Sherry: This, this is an awesome story and it is. A true story. So I didn't know that. I, I, I,

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[01:29:33] James: It's top to bottom. Great, great story. Great acting. And it's. It's a great movie. Yeah, it's more fun

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[01:29:41] James: but it's, yeah, it pulls you both directions. As funny as it is, is as heartbreaking as it is. So it

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[01:29:54] James: not a movie that I want to go, Hey, let's watch Steel Magnolias tonight, everybody.

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[01:30:08] Sherry: is it is like a scene into a Southern woman's, uh, outing at the hair at the, um, going to get her hair cut or the salon. Yeah. Um, cause I was telling him I used to go to one lady.

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[01:30:32] Phil: there was a lot of beauty parlors in people's houses for some reason, South Carolina, you know,

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[01:30:39] James: point. It's like a pub.

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[01:30:57] Chris: you know, Yeah, Stacey used to, uh, [01:31:00] uh, one of hers met her, uh, here in Burleson, she, uh, what did she used to go to was.

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[01:31:19] Chris: And as it goes, he gets a haircut inside a bus. So yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean, it's a different lady now, but yeah. Do your own business. Yeah. It's a community. Yeah. I was gonna, I was thinking consider the whole time, [01:31:30] but, uh, I think you convinced me, James. Yeah. You gotta go. You gotta go recommend.

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[01:31:36] Phil: So it was a four recommends. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You pulled a big one down. Wow. So yeah, I, I just, the quality of writing and acting and it's fun enough to balance out the melodramatic, the, you know, the crying parts. Yeah. But even those, I think, are handled by expert actresses, actors, so, right. And if you don't laugh or cry, then you're, you're a robot

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[01:32:06] James: Oh, absolutely. Like I said, every woman in my life wants to be Wea. Yeah. And for a reason. She's fun.

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[01:32:15] Chris: before I guess when I'd seen it before and because I remember like she was you know I remember her like it was one of the biggest parts about it when I remember if I'd watched it this time But yeah now it was like for me.

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[01:32:38] Chris: Like I remember from, uh, Mrs. Doubtfire when she realizes that he's, uh, that Robin Williams has been Mrs. Doubtfire the whole time. She's like, Daniel, that was you the whole time, the whole time, just the way she does it. Like, yeah, it's,

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[01:32:49] Chris: good

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[01:32:57] James: And that that's, it's like [01:33:00] watching my mom, hearing my mom do these things with that accent. It's like, yeah, that's her. That's cool. She's going to love hearing that on the podcast.

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[01:33:17] Sherry: That is the line that gets me every.

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[01:33:28] Sherry: Mission Accomplished. Alright, Faye. [01:33:30] Okay, you ready? Yep. Said they taught like bumper stickers. All the women in his community claimed that they were weasels.

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[01:33:42] Sherry: Yeah.

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[01:33:44] Phil: frank.

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[01:33:45] Phil: Thank God for edits. That is not what this

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[01:33:49] James: I hit

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[01:33:52] James: on my phone. Season 3. Yeah.

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[01:33:54] James: We all have. We know what it's like to be sucked into that kind of drama, and this [01:34:00] movie, it hits that. It's perfect.

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[01:34:03] Phil: that's rough. That's us beating. Well, yeah, you're

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[01:34:05] Phil: How does it feel to be wrong, Chris? If you get that, then you have a dirty mind.

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[01:34:15] James: that. Every woman I know wants to be Weezer.

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[01:34:36] Chris: Oh God, yeah. Don't do that, that's bad. Hey kids, forget tie fives. Here's a long dart. C'mon man, we're driving into the second act. I

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[01:34:52] James: her. Granny Piper, man.

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[01:34:56] James: You

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[01:34:58] Phil: [01:35:00] Well,

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[01:35:02] Phil: I thought they were funny. Dad did not. No, no, no. He did not. Not thrilled. This is a picture of a character showing the Dark Knight in soul all over their face.

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[01:35:20] James: Once that line hits, floodgates open and, uh, baseball, baseball.

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[01:35:27] James: cry. Don't cry.

Steel Magnolias

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[00:00:26] Phil: This time, we will be reviewing Hot Fuzz and Blade Runner The [00:00:30] Final Cut. Yup, that's right. Tuning in live allows you to get a review weeks before it comes out. Did I mention it will be ugly, unedited, and that we'll have to fix it in the mix?

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[00:00:51] Chris: All of this, like I felt like all the execution was very, very tight and well done.

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[00:01:01] Sherry: That's like Ricky Bobby. He's covering his face. Same with Tom Cruise, you know?

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[00:01:06] James: Go ahead and say it, Phil. When she's in the loud crowd. Put it in the trailer.

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[00:01:17] Chris: Yeah. I like the setup of it would be a lot.

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[00:01:25] James: That's a, that's an emotional swing for 24, 48 hours. [00:01:30]

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[00:01:46] Phil: So far. So for this. First, well, we say first episode. It could be released later. We don't know. Uh, we're recording it first for season three, but who knows when it'll show up. We are doing a movie that I would swear that I would not love. Fought [00:02:00] it all the way and Sherry kept pushing and that is Steel Magnolias.

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[00:02:08] Phil: there was. That was, that was the, uh, the deal with the devil or fall the house of Bill Seasons later. Don't

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[00:02:18] Phil: Yeah. So I made a deal and now it's time to pay.

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[00:02:32] Sherry: All I have to say is mission accomplished. I wanted you to watch this movie. Well, and I've been asking you for years.

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[00:02:39] Sherry: Yeah, right. Well, I mean, we've been married, it'll be 30 years. Yeah. And, finally.

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[00:02:58] Phil: You got your stuff, Sherry, [00:03:00] or?

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[00:03:03] Phil: Okay.

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[00:03:08] Phil: Well, okay.

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[00:03:14] Phil: bunch of them. So I

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[00:03:23] Phil: it.

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[00:03:27] Sherry: you want me to remind you of some of the names?

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[00:03:33] Sherry: if y'all want him just to take this one, I can just test him. No, no, no, no,

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[00:03:43] Chris: And what if like you, you are the in the hot seat, Billy, you can do like a, you know, a lifeline or some shit. Oh yeah.

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[00:03:51] James: No,

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[00:03:51] James: all going down together. Just full transparency. Before, uh, you know, we decided to watch this movie. I watched this movie [00:04:00] and then we had a hiatus. Yeah. I didn't want to watch it again.

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[00:04:09] Sherry: Well, we'll see. We'll try, I'll try. Well see. I didn't watch it again until last night, but I love it. Movie. Yeah, but you've

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[00:04:17] Sherry: a long time, so I've seen, I know. And I haven't watched the other one that we're reviewing.

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[00:04:21] James: grew up with this movie, so I, yeah, my mom loves this

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[00:04:25] Phil: off the hook. I didn't watch Lebowski before this session, but [00:04:30] I got my notes and I, there's gonna be no need. I hope that. I don't want to It's playing 24 7 on a loop in my head. Yeah, right. Alright, bumper and then, uh, we'll get into it.

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[00:04:58] Phil: Oh, I know, I know who said it. [00:05:00] Who? Was it anybody else? Go ahead, I know who it is, but go ahead. Clary. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

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[00:05:05] Phil: To, to, to, to, to Weezer.

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[00:05:09] Phil: Truvie? Well, she said it to Truvie about someone else.

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[00:05:12] Chris: you were gonna hear what she said about him. You're right. You're right. It wasn't Weezer.

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[00:05:24] Phil: I don't know that one. That's true.

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[00:05:32] Sherry: All right. Now this one I think is one of my absolute favorite. Okay, and so that might give it away because anyway, yeah, and let me see if I can get through this and read my writing Okay, I am pleasant. Damn it I just saw drum Eatonton this morning at the Piggly Wiggly and smiled at the son of a bitch before I could help myself

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[00:05:52] Phil: No, no, but I've already answered so

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[00:06:01] Sherry: I love that. As a matter of fact, I was reading, uh, about the story when they asked, what's the lady that plays that part? Uh,

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[00:06:12] Sherry: asked her which part did she want to play besides they not Malin and not, um, Shelby, she said, I want the bitchy one.

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[00:06:29] Sherry: [00:06:30] Okay.

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[00:06:35] Sherry: Well, you had said earlier that that had, they had some of the best one line. And as a matter of fact, let me see the guy who wrote it.

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[00:06:57] Phil: Yeah. You know, you got, yeah. You're you're Zingers. Yeah. [00:07:00]

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[00:07:11] Sherry: All the women in his community claimed that they were Weezer. Oh,

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[00:07:24] Sherry: Yes, he wrote a play. The Shelby

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[00:07:27] Chris: And he

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[00:07:35] Chris: Yeah. Yeah.

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[00:07:51] Sherry: Yeah. Right. And he didn't intend, I don't think, for it to be a comedy, but then he realized when people were laughing at the lines and everything. Yeah,

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[00:08:03] Sherry: I grew up in a small town, and I could relate to this, but it was, instead of like, People from the town.

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[00:08:15] James: Yeah. It was like a slice of Americana. Yeah. It, it, it, when I hear those, the, the accents. Yeah. That's the only thing that draws me out of this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is the combination of accents, some are over the top. The, the regional , [00:08:30] it's like in, I think in England or you can tell city to city the accents down here, it's like Dolly Parton has an accent that doesn't mix with Shirley McClain's accent.

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[00:08:42] Sherry: being honest. Julia Roberts is from Georgia, but I think she was over the top in this one. She was over

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[00:08:52] Sherry: the way she talked, but she's from Tennessee. And it's a different, yeah,

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[00:08:58] Chris: That she's not doing an accent. And she goes, [00:09:00] yeah, that's how she sounds.

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[00:09:19] Sherry: she really ever,

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[00:09:28] Phil: yeah.

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[00:09:37] James: That's it. Yeah. That was it. That's why they loved it.

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[00:09:51] Phil: All right. I got the information. Did anybody else print it out or no? Anybody else got it? Print out the internet? I printed the internet. [00:10:00]

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[00:10:01] Phil: Well, this is just one page, but then this is

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[00:10:06] Phil: It's still going. Gotta do something with

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[00:10:08] Chris: But no, man, it's, it's season three. Like, I think it's probably established now. You're the, you're the guy that prints. Oh, okay. The rest of us just That's

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[00:10:17] Chris: suck it up. And we, we hope like hell that Phil does what he's always done. You

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[00:10:24] Phil: We're working without a net here, people. Right. Thank god for edits. Alright, so, Steel Magnolias [00:10:30] 1989. There is a Steel Magnolias that I have not seen. I guess a remake, I don't know.

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[00:10:34] Phil: know that that's what Who's interested in that shit? Yeah, I don't know why they would redo it, I don't know, but They crushed it with this one.

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[00:10:43] Chris: meant, you know, you got the original, it's fine.

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[00:11:00] Phil: This is their blurb. A young beautician, newly arrived in a small Louisiana town, finds work at the local salon where a small group of women share a close bond of friendship and welcome her into the fold. That is not what this movie is about, in my opinion. The first Minute maybe I mean they welcome her into the fall, but that is not I mean, that's a through line

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[00:11:23] Chris: because it starts with with Daryl Hannah walking down the street, right?

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[00:11:38] Phil: this is an ensemble piece.

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[00:12:04] Phil: Curious

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[00:12:05] Phil: we agree or not. Sure, but that's the only way you can, because there's a lot going on, but there is one story that is the through line with, with Catboy.

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[00:12:13] Phil: Yes. Uh, Sherry's got a better blurb. That blurb, I just read that because it was so ridiculous.

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[00:12:19] Phil: go ahead and read the

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[00:12:28] Sherry: And as friend, [00:12:30] Truvy, Dolly Pardon, fixes the women's hair for the ceremony, they welcome a helping hand from expiring beautician, Anel. I forgot how to say that. Anel. Uh, I'm Expiring

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[00:12:44] Sherry: Aspiring. What did I say? Oh, you said expiring. She's

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[00:12:48] Sherry: She's her due. Dates out. I'm expiring.

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[00:13:06] James: Season three. Yeah.

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[00:13:17] Sherry: Time passes and the women and their friends encounter tragedy and good fortune growing stronger and closer in the process.

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[00:13:28] Chris: It's still really long.

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[00:13:30] Chris: They got in the weeds there, a little bit on their blurb.

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[00:13:37] Phil: Like, the first time I watched it, I was scrambling, like, what is going on here, how do I beat this out? As far as budget goes, it was a budget I, I found of 15 million and it did quite well. Uh, domestic 84 million, international 12 million for 96 million, almost 97. So it killed it. Uh, as far as the money went.

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[00:14:19] Phil: I didn't feel that way. The audience is pretty good. 89%. I would have thought that might have been a little higher. That's respectable, but the critics, the critics didn't love it. Like I [00:14:30] thought they should. And the audience, I thought loved it pretty good, but should, maybe should love it a little more. I don't know.

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[00:14:36] Chris: interesting.

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[00:14:53] Phil: Yes, I, I, I, like if I was to have a, another genre to add to Catboy, it would be the crying sister circles genre.

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[00:15:09] James: know. I I agree. It's it's really good But I mean then again, I mean who doesn't like soap operas anybody well as summer vacation as a kid Did you not sit and watch soap operas for a little while

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[00:15:20] Phil: I used to watch General Hospital with Luke and Lara now that's gonna date me big time But huh, but that's

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[00:15:33] Sherry: okay, I'm gonna say this. Soap operas, Days of Our Lives fan, I'm talking, uh, we recorded it.

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[00:15:46] Phil: we, she does not mean me and her. No,

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[00:15:59] Sherry: We [00:16:00] would, uh, we saw them play softball from the days of our lives. I had a team. We went to see them play, took the days of our lives tour. Now you went on the days of that

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[00:16:11] Sherry: we went out to Cal, I mean, when we lived out in California, even my father watched days of our lives and he. Actually raised his hand when the guy said, anybody here watch Days of Our Lives?

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[00:16:25] James: Yeah, it's, it's good stuff, but there's a [00:16:30] certain cheesiness to it. There's a certain It walks a fine line. We all know this, but this movie I think is just that cut above. It's, it's a contained story that, yeah, it's good. Yeah.

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[00:16:49] Chris: It's the cheesiness of Hallmark movies combined with the cheesiness of a soap opera. Yeah. And so it's, it's god awful to me. That's a beating. Like, and I'll sit through the Sister Crying Circle stuff, you [00:17:00] know, right? Try to be fair, and I can appreciate a good story, and I think any medium, but yeah, that one, that's rough.

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[00:17:12] Sherry: I don't even know what you're talking about.

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[00:17:18] James: Yeah, I canceled Netflix. I use a family account with my parents because you know, like just little things like I'll watch, but I'm not going to get, I'm

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[00:17:29] James: Yep. [00:17:30] Yeah. She's in five. Other than that, I rarely go. All these, all these kids, you know, playing. Twelve, thirteen year olds are now in their twenties. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's gonna be interesting.

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[00:17:52] Chris: Alright, there we are. I love how that sounds like cat porn.

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[00:18:10] Phil: It's animated. It is animated. Alright. Alright.

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[00:18:16] Phil: It's not Gar, not Garfield.

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[00:18:20] Phil: I. Latched onto what I thought was the core storyline. I found the beats to be structured quite well. It is going to be interesting to see if we all [00:18:30] latch onto that same core story. And if we don't, what we think it is.

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[00:19:03] Phil: For the character that I have picked as the main storyline. Yeah, that's what I had. Is it right? Okay, cool. Yeah, that's what I had.

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[00:19:18] Chris: And then three is acceptance.

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[00:19:22] Chris: Yeah.

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[00:19:40] Phil: She opens up, there is, uh, an opening image, which I think is not the opening image, it's an establishing montage of the town through the eyes of Anel. And I think that's, as the credits are rolling, to give us The setting, you know, this small town, everybody's friendly, you know, slice of life, Southern hospitality, all that kind of stuff.[00:20:00]

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[00:20:22] Phil: Yes, so, so, all the beats will relate to her character growth for me throughout the movie. No, it's the same.

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[00:20:33] Phil: Okay, so we might be hitting this. I don't

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[00:20:39] Phil: Yes, I do and it's it's I would I initially balked at it But then I thought no that's that to me that works in my mind and it'll be interesting to see who y'all picked is the B story because I Struggled with that and then I sort of settled on what I settled on and I thought Okay, do we want to wait till we get to the B Story?

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[00:21:02] James: Interesting. I had it as Anel, the Daryl Hannah. Yeah, that's, I guess, person. Because we, we get the majority of her beginning, middle, and end, and what she's fighting through, and. But, hell yeah. Yeah, and she

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[00:21:21] Phil: Okay. Well, we could, we could talk about that then, because that, that, that has merit. Like I said, I, I struggled initially with, but then I thought, well, okay, anyway, we'll get to it. [00:21:30] We'll elaborate more when we get to it. Yeah. Anything else about opening image? I think we all agree.

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[00:21:36] Chris: Uh, I disagree now. I just haven't thought about it. Yeah? Yeah. It's Shelby. Shelby's a B story.

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[00:21:42] Chris: Yeah. For the mom. Yeah. Cause she, and I guess we get, as we get into it, like she already always had the answer. Like she knew how to deal with it, how to deal with the problem. It's the mom that was dealing with the wrong way.

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[00:22:04] Phil: Yes. The reason I picked Jack Jr.

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[00:22:25] James: Well, that would make sense. She, you know, quote unquote, made all those mistakes with [00:22:30] Shelby. Now she has a new start with the Jack Jr. Yeah. Yeah. Nice, James. That would make sense. Yeah. Do it the right way this time.

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[00:22:39] James: That's good. Uh,

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[00:22:41] James: Yeah. I'll change, I'll change my

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[00:22:43] Phil: Sure. No final answers here. Set up. Small town, wedding, friendly people, very colorful characters. The gun toting, bird hating, drum eatington. I wrote these down to keep track of their names. Truvie and Spud Jones. Their marriage needs work. The last thing her husband did for her was in [00:23:00] 1972. So again, you're gonna Every, every one of these characters has an arc, a through line through the movie.

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[00:23:21] Phil: Cleary, Belcher, a definitely, a definitely self obsessed elder socialite. Uh, Jackson, uh, Lachery, the rich and successful fiancée of Shelby, and [00:23:30] Weezer Boudreaux, angry, dog loving, eccentric. These all are introduced pretty much in Succession.

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[00:23:40] James: Yeah. Every woman I know wants to be Weezer. Yeah. Every one of them. They don't want to be any other characters. They love her. Yes. They want to be able to be just like her when they get old. Well,

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[00:23:57] Chris: I wish I'd asked Stacey. Like, if I had to pick, I think [00:24:00] she'd want to be, you know, like, her, it's like Shelby, her outlook, right?

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[00:24:10] Phil: she,

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[00:24:12] Phil: Unapologetic.

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[00:24:21] Chris: Yeah. And then once

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[00:24:28] Phil: There's that, there's that very quick moment between [00:24:30] her and, uh, Drum, where she sort of nudges him in the back. You can tell they, they really love each other, but they're going, but they love going at each other, you know.

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[00:24:41] Sherry: I was just gonna say My friend that I lost. Yeah. Um, I kind of think of us as kind of like Clary and Weezer. I see that now. The two of us. Yeah. You shoved her off

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[00:24:56] Sherry: more like Clary. Oh, okay.

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[00:25:01] Phil: She was, she was, uh, Pretty much like Weezer, but just

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[00:25:05] Phil: she had she

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[00:25:09] Phil: team. Yeah, right now I'm particularly interested into what y'all think the theme state it is because I Initially had a hard time Picking this, but then they said it twice and I'm like, no, that has to be it.

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[00:25:36] Chris: stated

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[00:25:36] Chris: is one. I couldn't nail it down. No. No. I thought about shooting birds and trees. I I'm like, damn it. I missed it.

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[00:25:46] Phil: do you think the theme of this movie is? Theme? Yeah. Like if you. English? Yeah. See, that's the problem. Okay.

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[00:25:56] Phil: tell you what it is if you, but I wanted to see what, what [00:26:00] I think it is, you know. There you go. Just think

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[00:26:04] Phil: All right. Now, it's not, it's going to seem counterintuitive because it did to me at first and I wrote it down almost with a question mark, but then I sort of watched the movie with that in mind and it seemed to work for me.

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[00:26:34] Phil: There is no such thing as natural beauty. Okay? That counts as saying it twice. Yes, they repeat it to each other

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[00:26:42] Phil: No, right right there Like I almost like they wanted you to get it. Okay, so so I started looking at the movie and We'll sum up as we go through and toward the end.

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[00:27:18] Phil: You know, uh,

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[00:27:28] Phil: Magnolias. Yes, absolutely. [00:27:30] Cause there's a

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[00:27:32] Phil: Yes. She

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[00:27:34] Chris: Yeah. He couldn't take

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[00:27:51] James: She goes? Oh, honey. I'm not there when they're doing it. There's wigs

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[00:28:03] James: Little electrician.

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[00:28:09] Chris: Hope y'all paid the rent, you didn't cut the power. Yeah. Yeah. It's nap time, get out. That's right.

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[00:28:23] Phil: Now. That sounds good.

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[00:28:28] Phil: yeah,

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[00:28:29] Phil: is at nine minutes and [00:28:30] 20 seconds.

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[00:28:37] Chris: Yeah. The weight it carries.

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[00:28:58] Phil: I love that line. That's [00:29:00] from Drum. The sanctuary looks like it's been hosed down with Pepto Bismol. Sherry was going on about how tacky all that pink was.

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[00:29:12] Phil: Ah, simple. It was a classy affair.

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[00:29:19] Phil: Sherry, neither Sherry nor I were into a big wedding or whatever.

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[00:29:24] Chris: Yeah,

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[00:29:26] Chris: way to do it. Yeah, I think the, the comments about the, her wedding [00:29:30] colors, I think those are Stacey's favorite lines. Oh yeah. She repeated them. Yeah. Blush

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[00:29:35] Chris: colors are pink

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[00:29:36] Phil: Yeah. Good old Southern values. Do you either shoot it, stuff it, or marry it? Uh, and then was she hurt? I doubt it. She got hit in the head.

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[00:29:45] Phil: Oh, and

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[00:29:48] Sherry: do you know, as many times as I've seen that movie, it did not occur to me until last night that that was who she was talking about.

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[00:29:58] Phil: two pigs fighting,

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[00:30:04] Chris: that's funny. I like when these, uh, at the wedding, any, uh, drum comes up to get some of the armadillo cake that Weezer is serving for everybody and, you know, basically put a break in our, our test so I can get a piece of cake.

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[00:30:21] Phil: Yeah, no, neither one given. I wrote that as one of my favorite lines later, but yeah, neither one given any ground, man. They're going to go at each other. All right. Now. [00:30:30] Catalyst, I have at 25 minutes. What do you have for your catalyst?

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[00:30:35] Chris: Yes, I do have a catalyst. Okay.

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[00:30:39] Chris: diabetic seizure. Same. Okay. Cause everything seems great. Yes. Life's freaking great at that point. And then also that's our first sign of things are not as rosy as they seem.

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[00:30:55] James: I guess it was a hypoglycemic issue from diabetes. Diabetes. Diabetes. [00:31:00] Is that the way people act when they have an issue? I always seem, same

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[00:31:10] Chris: Yeah, I was like, is that right? Is that what?

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[00:31:18] Chris: that

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[00:31:23] Chris: Yeah. But, but, uh, they were looking for candy and juice to, to calm her

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[00:31:27] James: Yeah. But she was like saying mean [00:31:30] stuff and shaking and I'm going to run away. And

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[00:31:49] Phil: She's just fell asleep in the chair. I mean, there's

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[00:32:04] Chris: Yeah. And then, um, it's almost like somebody said something wrong or something at first. And then, but yeah, the, the, there's this, there's a big music shift when, uh, Yeah, when it starts or whatever. Well,

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[00:32:26] Chris: or frustrates her.

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[00:32:38] Phil: She'll talk about my ceremony and yep.

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[00:32:42] Chris: I remember her fate and all that stuff. Um, but I hadn't seen it in a long time, but when she first came down the stairs, bitch about her nails, I was like, I was like, fucking hell. Yeah, exactly, Brad. I was like, really? This is the person that we're gonna get all upset about. Later on I was like, well, I don't think I'm gonna care this time, watching it.

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[00:33:15] Chris: Yeah,

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[00:33:17] Chris: cap moment, you know? Yeah.

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[00:33:33] Chris: Yeah, no, she did a good job throughout the whole thing, yeah. And she, yeah, I guess we looked it up, she, she won an Academy Award for it.

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[00:33:51] Phil: but

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[00:33:55] Phil: know,

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[00:33:58] Phil: always do [00:34:00] anything.

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[00:34:03] Chris: haven't. And I need to tune into that. You

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[00:34:19] Phil: But, uh, the debate seems to be whether or not to have kids. Any thoughts that, what

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[00:34:37] Chris: Well, she's very yes. Yeah, very protective of her and you she tells her one point you have limits You can't do it other people have to do you know what I mean, so I feel like that was the whole debate was because that's the For me like if it's the the arc is her here's the life problem And then the wrong way to fix it is to, to mother and to limit yourself and not truly live.

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[00:34:57] Chris: not, and just, instead of just accepting it [00:35:00] and living the best life you can. Yeah. Right. And which is to me, that's what the answer is. And Shelby has it figured out. And that's why she's always at odds with her mom. Yeah. Cause Shelly and Sally Field does not have that figured out.

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[00:35:10] Chris: Yes. Yeah. It was more than just kids to me, I guess.

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[00:35:27] Chris: like, is their marriage not doing great, or?

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[00:35:35] Phil: Jackson was initially fine with adopting, but then maybe he had second thoughts, and it was causing problems.

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[00:35:50] James: give out or something? They don't have enough? Because,

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[00:36:02] Phil: So, I don't know if I bought that, but, uh, For

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[00:36:06] Phil: the story, they had to do it that way.

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[00:36:20] James: ago. People who shouldn't have the kids they have are adopting more kids.

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[00:36:25] Phil: I'm always reminded of the Keanu Reeves line. I don't know what the movie is, you know, and I've said it before. [00:36:30] You have to have a license to drive a car, but any asshole can be a dad, you know, or whatever. Right. That's Parenthood, right? That's absolutely true. Yes. Parenthood? Is that the movie? Is it?

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[00:36:44] Chris: Yep. Parenthood? Cause he's talking about, uh, Joaquin Phoenix's dad. Oh, okay, okay, okay. And her husband. Yeah. That's one messed up little dude. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. I completely agree with that, by the way.

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[00:36:58] Phil: to your point

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[00:37:08] Phil: I agree with you about whether you can have a regular life.

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[00:37:30] Chris: special.

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[00:37:33] Phil: Yeah. Versus versus a lifetime of not so special or something. I'm like, Well, you've got a husband, you've got friends, you've got, like, why is that the only thing that is special in your life? Like, she loves her husband, her husband loves her, I don't, I didn't understand why she put everything on the kid and then everything without a kid would not be special.

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[00:37:54] Chris: she was driven to have a kid. Yes. And just didn't want to be limited by

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[00:38:21] Phil: Okay. Well, that is something, but you've got a guy shooting arrows into the air and bullets and they got to come down somewhere. And then later I found out they were blanks, but I was just astounded [00:38:30] and impressed with his Well, they

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[00:38:34] Phil: God almighty.

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[00:38:36] Sherry: I guess.

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[00:38:48] Sherry: Yeah.

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[00:38:49] Sherry: of stuff. Aw, thanks. One of them hit her garage. Possible. Probably.

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[00:38:56] Chris: Oh, is it? Yeah. Yeah, somebody shoots a gun up in the air and then They

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[00:38:59] Chris: [00:39:00] down. And the bullet comes out and hits somebody. No, it's uh, Brad Pitt and, and uh, Julia Roberts. I just remembered that. It's, uh, funny. Oh,

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[00:39:06] Chris: was thinking of the

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[00:39:09] Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[00:39:12] Phil: No, no, no. I just, I thought that was Johnny Depp maybe.

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[00:39:18] Phil: Desperado. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Where

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[00:39:20] Phil: messed up Desperado.

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[00:39:21] Phil: third one was I did not like it.

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[00:39:25] Sherry: What do they do in Grown Ups? They shoot arrows?

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[00:39:29] Sherry: Well [00:39:30]

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[00:39:33] Phil: This is the times we live in because I remember as a kid, we had lawn darts, which were essentially a big spike that you threw in the air and you moved and you moved.

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[00:39:48] James: to go up in the air and come down. It was a regular dart, yes, but it was the size, like, Twenty times of darkness. This

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[00:40:04] James: Ideally, it was supposed to go, what, like three inches in the ground. So it was a steel spike. Yeah, the spike

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[00:40:10] Chris: long. It wasn't repurposed by kids. This was sold as a game for kids. A big plastic

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[00:40:17] James: at each end. Yeah, we, I, I, I remember playing it when they were banned. I remember something saying about like, yeah, these were banned.

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[00:40:26] Chris: should bring it back, right? Hey, kids, forget Tide Pods. Here's a [00:40:30] Lone Dart.

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[00:40:32] James: You know, they gotta put warning labels on something. Gotta give them something to put warning labels on, so. Anyway.

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[00:40:40] Phil: Don't try to get on my good side. I, truthfully, I no longer have one. Most of these are wheezers. He's a boil on the butt of humanity. He's a real gentleman. I bet he takes the dishes out of the sink before he pees in it. Uh, and then, uh, my personal tragedy will not interfere with my ability to do good hair.

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[00:41:15] Phil: I should have known Louis had problems when his imaginary playmates wouldn't play with him. Uh, there's some pretty sick tickets in this town. These are um, Truvy. And then to what Chris already quoted, thanks, Weezer, nothing like a good piece of ass when he gets the cake. Like two pigs fighting under a blanket, that's an uh, uh, [00:41:30] what's her name?

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[00:41:34] Phil: Yeah, it was uh, who was it, what's her name? Clary. Clary. Clary. I always get Anel and Clary. Those two mess up in my mind.

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[00:41:52] Chris: This is the best cherry Coke in the world. Yeah. He just looked like a serial killer. I'm like, run. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, no. Well, that's, Oh God. What's his [00:42:00] name? Oh yeah. Stacey called it. I didn't. Um, I was like. Kevin J. O'Connor. Yeah. It was in the mummy. He's Benny from the fucking. Really? Yeah. My Stacey got it.

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[00:42:14] Phil: I could see it, but

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[00:42:18] James: yeah, he, he lost weight. . It's always, always great. But yeah, he, he looks like that in this movie. Yeah.

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[00:42:25] James: it was like 10 years between

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[00:42:26] James: two

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[00:42:27] Chris: Well, that

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[00:42:30] Chris: Uh,

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[00:42:36] Chris: There was one in there where, uh, uh, I don't know who it was. One of the guests at the wedding says it to, uh, Shelby.

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[00:42:55] Phil: Yes.

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[00:42:58] Phil: Now, a bit of debate which seems to be [00:43:00] settled for the moment when Shelby says She and Jackson will take care of each other and I'm not stupid.

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[00:43:22] Phil: But then, of course, later,

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[00:43:30] Phil: I initially didn't get that conversation, like, well, the wedding is planned, why are you saying

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[00:43:34] Phil: Will you marry me? And she had said that she wouldn't marry him because she wanted not to mess up his life by not having kids, yeah.

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[00:43:53] Chris: Yeah, the way she gets broken up when she is riding away, and the, cause now it's, and there's even a, a Shelby makes a comment later on [00:44:00] about, you're just pissed off that you can't control.

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[00:44:19] Phil: Yes, I'm, I'm very close to that. I don't have that as my break in the two just yet, but I'm very close. Come on, man, we're driving into the second act. I know, I know. What do you got? Let's see. [00:44:30] There is a significant break at 4740, as some time has passed. It is now Christmas. I guess Truvie's son has a girlfriend.

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[00:45:04] Chris: I was hoping you could tell me congratulations or something, I don't want you to break a sweat. Yeah, yeah, right, yes. Congratulations. Yes. At least you did, it was good stuff.

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[00:45:22] Phil: Dang, man. Movie's half over at that point. Yes. Well, that's, I mean, well, that's true. At least the, the question has at least been made [00:45:30] mute. Is that it? Is that all you're going to say? What do you want me to say? You know, so this back and forth. With the debate over and the second act broke into, there are only the consequences of crossing the threshold.

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[00:45:54] Chris: Yeah. I guess I looked at us cause it's the whole, it's the whole life thing, right?

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[00:46:15] Chris: Can she have a normal life? Right. Can she, you know, adopt kids? Can she can end up having her own? So now she comes back and bam, hit her. Cause it's all about dealing with the problem the wrong way. And mom's like, nope, you don't have fucking kids. Right, try to adopt. Well, we can't adopt. And then mom's solution would have been, well, they don't have any kids at [00:46:30] all.

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[00:46:38] Phil: Well, I totally agree with that. In my mind, though, is her trying to adopt and her trying to buy a kid still debating?

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[00:47:05] Chris: Right. So I think, and she told him, don't be, she talked about them, don't be dumb, blah, blah, you know, and then it didn't matter.

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[00:47:28] Chris: the right way, like, [00:47:30] I just want to live my life.

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[00:47:36] Phil: Yeah, so the, it almost becomes the question of, you know, Is life good because it's long or is life good because it's lived well? And Shelby would answer that question, well, if life is good because you live well, 30 minutes of good is better than a lifetime of eh.

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[00:47:57] Chris: Yeah, cause this is the movies about her. Dealing with, you [00:48:00] know, diabetes or whatever and trying to live, you know, the best life she can and mom having to accept Control of that and just trying to be happy for because even at the jump ahead a little bit But even the once they announced it cuz dad's on board right dad's gonna have the same concerns as she does It's his daughter too, right, but he goes, you know, it makes a big deal about it.

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[00:48:21] Phil: Yeah

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[00:48:31] Phil: The only one that

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[00:48:32] Phil: sentence.

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[00:48:47] Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, that's terrible, because they could have had the family come. Right? Yes. Yes. There's a lot of shots of her by herself because she's, yes,

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[00:48:56] Chris: problem the wrong way. In my opinion. I think it's all visual clues that she's [00:49:00] doing the wrong way.

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[00:49:02] Phil: I agree. I just have three fun and great games because it occurs after this conversation.

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[00:49:08] Phil: The, the, the, the acting between Shelby and Malin, the advent of a child spells life for one and death for another. I think it would help things a lot. I thought with subtext, I think it would help things a lot, meaning there's something not right either in the marriage or her life.

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[00:49:27] Chris: Uh, so I thought what was going on there. It's interesting, I just thought about it. [00:49:30] Who knows what this, what the writer meant. But like to James point earlier about being able to do things, a second chance to do things the right way with Jack Jr.

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[00:49:39] Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah, that's true. So I thought that was, and then a couple of lines, I never worry because I know you worry enough for the both of us. I thought that summed up Malin's character pretty well. She worries enough for everybody.

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[00:49:51] Phil: As well as you're jealous because you no longer have a say so in what I do and that drives you up the wall. Now, I thought that was cruel, but a little bit accurate. You know, it's driving you up the wall [00:50:00] that you can't control, and I'm doing something that potentially could cause a problem, but I don't see it that way, and you do, kind of thing.

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[00:50:26] Phil: Um, why is the only thing that matters is having a child and make a [00:50:30] wonderful life. And then we had talked about this, a life lived long or a life lived well. Uh, I said, if the theme is there is no such thing as natural beauty, then does that mean beauty in whatever form you imagine for yourself often comes a great sacrifice, sometimes the ultimate sacrifice.

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[00:50:55] Chris: Yeah, I think she has a line in there too when they're arguing in the kitchen about immortality.

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[00:51:03] Phil: Yeah.

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[00:51:11] Chris: She's not going to live as long as, I guess, someone who's not special, right? To use their moms. So. I think it's probably another reasonable driving factor about why kids are so important.

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[00:51:27] Phil: Her arc is causing her much pain at this juncture. There's a scene where it [00:51:30] focuses just on Malin when she's basically being confronted with the change that she has to make to accept this or not accept this. And, and Sally Field, to her credit, you can read it on her face. There's, Being confronted with change at the

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[00:51:44] Chris: I think it was in there and Shelby

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[00:51:58] Phil: The only reason people are nice to [00:52:00] me is because I have more money than God. I'm not crazy Malin I just have been in a very bad mood for 40 years or the two quotes. I liked from that now I thought this was a very light scene You To balance the one we just had, which is this whole discussion, congratulations, you know, good sensibility, the problems, the problem still looms, but everyone gets a breather, including the audience, because you just got through a heavy scene between Shelby and Malin, which basically Malin thought was a death sentence.

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[00:52:39] Phil: I love that line. And then Malin is still battling. She's still not willing to accept this change. Shelby does a lot of things I can't believe and then Weezer says Malin what's wrong with you? You got a reindeer up your butt, which again is another Weezer golden one, you know,

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[00:53:01] Chris: Yeah, letting this plague her

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[00:53:31] Phil: Uh, cause Weezer says the baby is not exactly great news. Uh, uh, I think Well, I, I think a lot of that, uh, to me was, they thought she could not. Right. They were under the impression she could not, not that she should not. Right. She could have kids, but it'd probably kill her. You know, that kind of thing. Yeah.

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[00:53:50] Phil: Yeah.

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[00:53:51] Phil: The magnolias they gather around her and I wrote down because I guess I I don't know if I didn't really grasp the meaning of the title [00:54:00] until maybe this viewing I sort of I didn't think about it but if if all her all these women are the magnolias there the steel magnolias they all gather around her.

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[00:54:09] James: gang? With the steel magnolias, they got leather jackets, and steel magnolias around them.

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[00:54:17] James: granny biker gang.

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[00:54:35] Phil: Right. Right. And she seems to at that point, she smiles and laughs and nothing, nothing pleases Shelby more than proving me wrong. So at that point, I think she's ready to be proved wrong and hopes that it will be proved wrong. Is that your midpoint? Well, I'm about to say that brings us up to my midpoint.

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[00:54:53] Chris: false victory, she survived childbirth and the kids there and they're singing them happy birthday or whatever.

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[00:55:08] Phil: Yeah. That's.

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[00:55:25] James: 20 months as well? Can we like think that it's 18 months, 18 months, 18 month [00:55:30] jumps? Maybe so. It's like they never tell us how long is in between. Right. Right. Yeah. It's changing in the seasons or the holidays. Right. Yeah. But then you jump to Jack Jr. 's first birthday. Yeah. It's been a year. So it's at least 18 months.

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[00:55:46] Sherry: I have something to say about that scene when y'all are done. Oh, but that,

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[00:55:55] Phil: but yeah, significant time breaks.

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[00:56:06] Chris: I don't know why I thought that's where you were going, but I was like, Whoa, I missed that. There

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[00:56:18] Chris: Yes.

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[00:56:23] Phil: I know, I

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[00:56:26] Chris: who that was?

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[00:56:30] Chris: It's, uh, Janine Turner from, uh, Northern Exposure and Cliffhanger. That's what I remember her from. Yeah, yeah. Her hair is dark and short later on. Yeah, that, yeah, that is her.

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[00:56:55] Phil: I thought I

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[00:57:08] Phil: weird. Yep.

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[00:57:18] James: Oh, like a body double? They never show her face. They

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[00:57:29] Sherry: Wait,

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[00:57:40] Chris: Yeah. You

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[00:57:42] Chris: they didn't? At first, but then revealed that it, oh, no, she's everything's cool. She's here. Cause I do think it's supposed to be her sitting there, but they never show that actual face. So I wonder

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[00:57:51] Sherry: Right.

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[00:57:57] Sherry: And she's wearing a white shirt and then the very next scene is her [00:58:00] and Malin walking out of the house. She's wearing a shirt.

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[00:58:08] Chris: They do not show her face. She was like, uh, she was sick that day or something, you know? Yeah, I'd have to Possibly. They might've How did they film the whole thing? Went, Shit, we don't have any damn Yeah. Footage of the kid's birthday party. Might've done a reshoot. Yeah. A pre dub or whatever.

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[00:58:21] James: Making movies is crazy, I'm sure. Hell yeah.

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[00:58:26] Chris: then they never revealed, Nope, just playing. She's cool. I like that. Yeah, they [00:58:30] never show her face. Never noticed that.

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[00:58:41] Phil: Two times in a derogatory way and one time in a very meaningful, accepting way. Shelby getting her haircut. Malin obviously is not thrilled, but it's determined to embrace the change being asked of her and putting on a good face. So at this point, she's trying to make the change and seems to be accepting of it.

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[00:59:12] Phil: And looks very disappointed. Cause, cause she doesn't react well when she says she wants to get her hair cut. And she said, Oh, I think that'd be precious. Meaning I'm trying to make the best of this, but. Trying to be accepting of things, but I'm not, I don't like things I can't control. It's like saying, bless

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[00:59:26] Phil: Yes. Because earlier on talking about the pink and the [00:59:30] pink and looks like Pepto-Bismol, how precious is this wedding going to get, you know, precious meaning not good, you know?

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[00:59:42] Chris: But yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

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[00:59:48] Chris: the choices that I don't agree with that are going to make my daughter happy.

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[00:59:56] Phil: So several lines from this section, they were both hot. Oh, this [01:00:00] is when talking about this Merry Christmas in the hotel room that she lost her title. They were both high. They've been smoking everything but their shoes. Uh, and I already said this, she's the Miss Merry Christmas to be caught with her tinsel down around her knees.

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[01:00:21] James: liked that line.

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[01:00:26] Phil: I thought that was cool. Yeah. Yeah, and this, I [01:00:30] love, I love this line. Again, I can't remember Olympia Dacostas, why can I not remember her name? Clary. Clary. Clary. God almighty. Why are you in such a good mood? You run over a small child or something? I love that. That's the midpoint false victory as I have it, then we move into the bad guys close in.

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[01:00:48] Chris: Shelby's haircut?

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[01:00:54] Chris: No, I mean the haircut, that's the first sign of bad guys clothes in that's got awful. It was not precious, man. Okay.

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[01:01:04] Phil: Yeah. Okay. Alright.

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[01:01:09] Sherry: Well, I just, I think, you know what, I think it was, I think it was a wig that she had over all that hair. Oh, shut. And it just made it look weird. I know. I'm looking up

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[01:01:18] Chris: looking up Hook, I asked the wife and she said it was two years later, she said it was 91, because I thought, did they cut it for Hook because it was a similar haircut.

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[01:01:28] Phil: like she was Peter Penn or whatever.

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[01:01:31] Phil: Yeah. It was was way close. Cut, I

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[01:01:35] Sherry: I think she probably like a Jimmy More ghost type deal. She's probably got really thick hair and see my hair is really thick and I don't think that

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[01:01:44] James: Not so. They probably did filming in

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[01:01:48] James: in 89. So they were filming in 80, 88. Right. I

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[01:01:53] James: might be why, because it looks similar to the

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[01:01:58] James: Yeah, I think it's too early. I think it's [01:02:00] probably a wig.

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[01:02:03] Phil: Well, I mean it, it could be a wig over her short hair because if it was way shorter than that. Cause it looked, it looked good in hook. Just the way they did No, I'm talking about a wig

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[01:02:13] Phil: long hair. But if she cut it short for Peter Pan, it's way shorter than that.

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[01:02:22] James: Maybe, sorry. That's why maybe in that reshoot scene where it doesn't show her, her hair was too short and couldn't do a wig. [01:02:30] And she wasn't available. She was filming hook. Maybe. I don't know.

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[01:02:36] James: She did a shocking, like.

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[01:02:42] Phil: I betcha that's exactly, that's it. I don't know. I always thought it was a wig. That's genius.

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[01:02:58] Chris: But, Making a [01:03:00] series of making bad choices that are gonna come, you know, come back to get you I'm gonna cut my hair and then she did not like her hair Words immediately. Well shit. I did what you asked me to right? Oh, yeah, you did She's

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[01:03:18] James: If it's up, it's down if it's black It's yeah, she's right. I'm gonna go hell. No, don't cut your hair, right? Yeah Improvingly wrong. Yeah, it's like Shelby. You're not gonna like it. Well, I'm gonna do it. Anyway, I hate it I told you. Yeah. [01:03:30] Where Malin doesn't respond

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[01:03:39] Phil: Uh, the haircut, because that's where it happened. So we're, we're basically on the same beat. Shelby looks like you've been driving nails up your arm. Her kidneys are not doing well. And she is undergoing, we find out she's been undergoing dialysis. She needs a kidney transplant, but mom is stepping up, offering a kidney of her own, which again, is, is noble, but again, Malin is doing everything she can to control.

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[01:04:01] Chris: the ultimate doing it. Trying to fix problem the wrong way.

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[01:04:15] Phil: Yes, I have. And she doesn't. So she's trying, but it hasn't really gotten down to where, well, I guess we'll tell him it's real. She's been

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[01:04:24] Phil: Right. She's trying, but the change has not arrived yet. Okay. So there's a couple of lines here. This is an L [01:04:30] when she's super religious. I'm not going to spend 50 years with someone I'm not going to run into in the hereafter.

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[01:04:39] Chris: Yeah. Cause he, he says both Jesus and God. Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ.

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[01:04:45] Chris: Oh my goodness. Maybe that's why Benny is, you know, references, you know, so many religions later on, cause now I'm so confused. Right.

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[01:04:58] Phil: Truvie says she is jealous. [01:05:00] Okay, now, now, again, this, everybody has an arc, so Truvie and Spud's arc is their marriage is not great because Spud is distant.

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[01:05:08] Phil: Truvie says she is jealous of the Eatons, Eatonsons, and know how, because they know how much they mean to each other, I put down Spud and Truvie still need work.

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[01:05:19] Phil: Yeah, yeah, and then he's fixing his car and Is that this weird looking thing? Yeah,

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[01:05:30] Phil: thing she does not appreciate what he has.

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[01:05:32] James: 1972 or whatever. And Dolly Parton. Ooh, Lord. Back in 89. Sure. I mean, now, even now. Yeah, she's

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[01:05:49] Chris: I thought they were funny. Dad did not. No, no, no. He was not appreciative.

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[01:05:53] Phil: thrilled. Weezer has found a new beau. She goes to church to see her boyfriend, you know, which she refuses to acknowledge as [01:06:00] her boyfriend just yet. Weezer, what brings you here? Shut up, is the answer. There, my secret is out. I'm having an affair with a Mercedes Benz. I thought that was good. All right.

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[01:06:23] Phil: And then, uh, You were playing hard to get. At her age, she should be playing Beat the Clock. [01:06:30] I thought it was good. Okay, so now it's the day of the, uh, surgery. The Steel Magnolias have gathered in the waiting room waiting for the outcome. Anel gets married, uh, in a shower. It's raining, but she has a shower.

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[01:07:07] Phil: Yes.

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[01:07:13] Phil: Yes. She, so bad guys are still lurking around and then. Uh, Weezer, I do not see plays because I can nap at home for free. Uh, this is, uh, in the I watch movies cause they're trash.

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[01:07:41] Phil: Uh, Weezer says, unapologetic. Uh, when, when she pulls the wax off her lip to get the, And then she starts, but you take the Bible and she just wanted to say something mean to get rid of the pain, which brings me to my all is lost, which necessarily has to be a false defeat. You have it here.

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[01:08:03] Phil: Yep, absolutely. Uh, Shelby has passed out in his own coma. Jack Jr is traumatized as well as Jackson. Malin as well. The kidney, you can hear in the background the doctor say the kidney. Rejection

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[01:08:13] Phil: Rejection of kidney.

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[01:08:19] Chris: The coma may be irreversible, he also said. Did you hear that too? I didn't hear that.

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[01:08:26] Chris: it and I rewound it because like that's what he said right then I noticed when I listened to it a second time, I was like, [01:08:30] yep, it's definitely louder.

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[01:08:41] Phil: camera's focused. Yeah, the camera's focused on Shelby, but in the background you hear the doctors.

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[01:09:10] Sherry: Just to let you know the, the true side of that.

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[01:09:29] Phil: Oh, I gotcha. Yes. [01:09:30] Yes. But for Malin and her arc, it is a false defeat. Yeah. Cause

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[01:09:38] Chris: this was always going to happen one way or the other. Yes. Uh, yeah. She's been rallying and fighting against it. Like trying to, you know what I mean? Yes. Like he's almost wouldn't accept that her daughter's going to die or whatever.

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[01:09:51] Phil: for her to grow, you know, This needs to happen almost. Shelby had a little bit of wonderful over a lifetime of nothing special. So she, she eventually will die, but [01:10:00] she feels like she had her wonderful. I would say.

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[01:10:15] Chris: Do you some good, get a real meal the rest of the time he's in the doorway. Everybody's out. She's the only one that's in the room. Yep. And then there's one shot of, I guess, the, of Jackson being in there and the mom's out, but like the mom stage is all these, to me, just, I was thinking about the whole time, like the shots of her by herself.

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[01:10:30] Phil: Yes. Nobody else. Right. Right. Because, uh, I, I have Melinda's reverting. So she has tried to put on a face of acceptance, but I think she's reverting. Yeah. She's

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[01:10:44] Phil: Exercise

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[01:10:47] Phil: She's exercising her legs, reading to her, refusing to leave the bedside. What if she wakes up for two minutes and I'm not here? Like she is a cold steel grip on this situation and it's not working. Dark night of the [01:11:00] soul. I have, uh, there will be no recovery.

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[01:11:09] Chris: yeah, that, and I guess it, for me, it kind of goes into the, the funeral as well. Yeah, I think I'll break down and I want to know why, and I was prepared to go first, always prepared to go first.

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[01:11:20] Chris: Yeah.

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[01:11:23] Chris: There's not a

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[01:11:23] Chris: a shot of her standing. By the coffin by herself.

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[01:11:36] Phil: Yeah. Let me, Jackson comes up to hug her and she's not having of it or no, her son comes up to hug her and she says, Jackson, she'll need the pink dress. Call the funeral home immediately goes into almost like she was at the wedding, trying to control everything and make plans and making sure everything is going to be, so she is definitely.

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[01:11:55] Chris: Right. And I'll go get Jackson Jr. Myself.

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[01:12:06] Chris: Right.

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[01:12:10] Phil: Yeah. No avoidance. I think she's avoiding the whole situation. Uh, now, again, every character, every character in this has an arc, and I think there's a real nice scene between Truvie and Spud here, where Spud realizes Jackson lost his wife, and now he's thinking about what if I lost Truvie, and it's messed him up, and he, I [01:12:30] think, I think their marriage, I put it down, their marriage is going to be okay now, because they're going to, he's not going to be distant, having a sense of what it would be, Cause he says, you know, if that ever happened to me, I don't know what I would do.

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[01:12:40] Phil: And that's the first time he's actually even really Yeah, no,

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[01:12:53] Chris: Gets her a new, uh, a second shot.

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[01:13:12] Phil: Right. Uh, what the hell is this for? And then, because Truvy says it makes you pretty. Right? Now, it, it reminded me of that scene where, where Anel was taking the mustache off, uh, Weezer, and it hurt like hell, and that's why she said, take that Bible and shove it up your ass, you know? It's the same stuff. To make her [01:13:30] pretty was, was painful.

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[01:13:34] Chris: What the hell is this? It's not the mask stuff? It was the wax stuff? I thought it was the green mask stuff.

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[01:13:46] Phil: rip it off and you have that paper on to rip it off.

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[01:13:48] Phil: dead on. It makes you pretty, but it hurts, right? Yeah. These trying circumstances are going to make everyone pretty. Right. So by the end of the movie, everyone is gonna be quote unquote pretty, whatever that means. But not before. [01:14:00] There's a whole lot of pain and suffering. Symbol symbolized by, I think this hot wax.

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[01:14:13] Phil: Yes, uh, yes, but it's wherever, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, these, so I had these trying circumstances are going to make everyone pretty in this, in the sense of making them more complete people at the end and at most, uh, so it, okay, so it almost always works and it always hurts.

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[01:14:46] Phil: There is no such thing as natural beauty. So at that point, I was like, yeah, that's, that's gotta be the theme for me. You know, Malin standing alone by her daughter's casket. All is lost. Like, so at that point, I don't think we broke into three yet, but we are going to do it right now. Is that where you have?[01:15:00]

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[01:15:17] Phil: Because, because, so the first part of break, of breaking in is gathering the team. And the Steel Magnolias, they all gather around Malin. Okay. Yeah. At the casket. Yep. And, and, and so, okay. So, so, uh, [01:15:30] The, I think the language, the choice of language was significant here. They say it like three times. The flowers are beautiful.

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[01:15:49] Chris: Yeah. Cause she's like, yeah, flowers are beautiful. Yeah.

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[01:15:55] Phil: You know, I thought that was actually pretty brilliant.

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[01:16:15] Sherry: Yes. Okay. Yeah. Harling says the juxtaposition of strength and fragility is apt for Southern women. And this is a quote from him. He says, my mother would always [01:16:30] say to handle Magnolia blossoms carefully. Because they brew so easily you think of this flower that is so delicate and has to be handled with care But it's actually made of much stronger stuff.

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[01:16:52] Sherry: But yeah, I found that quote from him.

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[01:17:00] Phil: She says some trite religious phrase like, oh, she's with our king now, and this kind of thing. Mm-Hmm. . And even if you are a religious person in deep, dark pain like that, those kind of sayings, you don't

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[01:17:11] Phil: Yeah. You don't wanna hear that shit and they don't mean anything. It doesn't, you know, well, I'd rather have her hear, you know, which exactly right.

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[01:17:41] Phil: Not a trite expression, but sort of what it means. So I have that, it's gathering the team, storming the castle. We should, uh, she, Malin says, We should handle it the best way we know how and get on with it. Men are supposed to be made of steel or something, but the Magnolias have the real steel. And then she says, I was there when that wonderful creature drifted into my life, and I was there when she drifted out.

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[01:18:09] Sherry: It's the line that gets me every single time. That it just, That is, I don't know, that is one of the most moving lines ever in a movie for me.

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[01:18:34] Sherry: That line,

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[01:18:40] James: I like the rock over here. Don't cry. Don't cry. Don't cry.

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[01:18:51] Chris: Well, before you get into that, there's another moment I thought about, I guess, as far as her accepting.

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[01:19:08] Chris: She's acknowledging Shelby's view of something is correct.

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[01:19:15] Chris: Yeah.

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[01:19:20] James: I want to see about the high tower surprise, because I have one.

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[01:19:30] Chris: Yeah, she's the one going, football, football, right.

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[01:19:49] Phil: And then I thought that was balanced very well with this comedic moment. I just want to hit something and she grabs Weezer here, hit this, go ahead, Malin, slap her, knock her lights out. I [01:20:00]

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[01:20:03] Phil: Yeah. That

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[01:20:09] James: Yeah. You think, okay, this shakes right out of it.

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[01:20:23] Phil: And then of course, Weezer and, uh, what's her name again? Cleary. Cleary! You are evil [01:20:30] and must be destroyed. I thought that was cool. Mother is, Mother Nature is taking care of that faster than you could. Uh, Weezer, you know I love you more than my luggage. Uh, you are too twisted for color TV, that whole exchange, get off my bench.

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[01:21:02] Phil: And then, uh, I think, uh, Nell says that's no, not, uh, uh, Malin. Uh, that's how, she's pushing, uh, this is why I thought it was Jack Jr., but it's obviously Jack Jr. and Shelby, the beak story. That's how it should be. Life goes on as she's pushing.

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[01:21:23] Chris: Um, Shelby was a girl, Shelby was a boy, right? So, and then she goes, well, that's the way it should be. Life goes on. Life goes on. Which is

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[01:21:35] James: something you already? Yeah.

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[01:21:40] Phil: here. Hit Weezer for this up Easter egg hunt, final image. Uh, beauty is maybe I'm making more of this, but they're searching for Easter eggs, which are painted and colorful beauty is found after much work and searching, not naturally, you know, symbolized maybe by looking for eggs and being so excited when you find one.

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[01:22:16] Chris: Right.

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[01:22:23] Chris: Weezer.

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[01:22:27] Chris: Never seen from again. [01:22:30] So Weezer

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[01:22:38] Phil: So everybody's arc is sort of wrapped up at this point in a positive way. The Steel Magnolias gather around Danelle as they will for each other whenever the need arises. This is, I wrote down, this is beauty worked on in Hard 1, so cool. You know, she's pregnant, have to rush off to the hospital, and everyone gathers around each other.

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[01:23:09] Chris: The, at the end, right, the, the, he slaps Weezer, little Jack does, and starts crying and runs off. Yeah, and so I feel he hears it and immediately runs to the kid and picks him up and the first thought was well She's mothering him. Yeah, yeah. She hadn't changed, right? But I think what's important what she says, because they're like, oh, is he okay?

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[01:23:39] James: full board. Yeah. So you were, you were thinking, or I wanted to ask this anyway, you were saying that the whole time she was going about it the wrong way.

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[01:23:53] Chris: to not stress out about it and damn sure, don't give up your own kidney and all. Yeah. Just let go and just let her have 30 minutes. If it's 30 [01:24:00] minutes, it's 30 minutes. Yeah, I think that's the right way.

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[01:24:02] Phil: It's almost like, you know, you love something, set it free, and if it loves you, it'll come back, you know.

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[01:24:12] James: you know. Oh yeah, absolutely right. Yeah, and she missed out on all the fun.

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[01:24:21] Chris: instead of a life well lived. I've always been prepared to go first. Yeah. Shelly's gonna outlive me even if I got to give her my own kidney. Yes.

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[01:24:33] Phil: And Shelby had a different view. So yeah, so yeah, in any good movie, you're going to have the characters argue different parts of the theme. Well, life is good if it's long. No, another character life is good if it's well lived and right. Yeah. And I thought that was done well. Yeah.

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[01:24:49] Phil: Any other, that's good one. You know, I, I, I can like a movie for, cause I, I don't, this is not my favorite movie, uh, you know, it is a crying sister circle movie, but when you look at it. [01:25:00] You can I can like really respect this movie for the writing and the structure and the thematic elements to me that makes it

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[01:25:07] Phil: a worthwhile

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[01:25:13] James: Well, you were you you always say When you write a story you state the theme and you completely can you continue to state the theme throughout? Yeah, is this one of those ones you can see that

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[01:25:26] James: yeah, they debate it back and forth her and she's I think

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[01:25:33] Phil: And, and I think, you know, they're either reassuring or trying to convince or whatever, one character or another, uh, what do you, what, what makes a good life? You know?

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[01:25:44] Phil: Uh, Shelby thinks having kids will fix things. So maybe her understanding is a little skewed, but that's what makes her happy.

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[01:26:00] Sherry: Yes. I am happy.

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[01:26:23] Phil: Alright, Sherry. Mm-Hmm. , you go first obviously. I think we know what you're gonna,

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[01:26:32] James: you're welcome, ,

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[01:26:43] Sherry: Um. But I, of course, highly recommend it for one thing, just the. The actors and actresses that are in the movie itself are just amazing.

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[01:27:04] Sherry: even the minor, uh, uh, what is his name?

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[01:27:07] Phil: Sam

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[01:27:10] Phil: the caliber of actors, there's really no weak.

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[01:27:13] Phil: Hearts. No. Well that was,

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[01:27:26] James: Yeah, Julia Roberts was very young in this, yeah. Yeah, it was just a, it was that right time for [01:27:30] everybody to hit. And Julia Roberts won an Oscar.

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[01:27:39] Phil: did the Tallyfield do

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[01:27:41] Chris: That was probably half 94. Yeah, because she did, uh, Doubtfire in 93. So like her, you know, cause she's a little bit older. I'd be like her second. Arc of, you know, of, of hitting it and playing, you know, you

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[01:28:00] Chris: Progression to her second career. Just getting there. Pretty woman was what?

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[01:28:09] Phil: Yeah. The first time I saw Sally Field. Was in, was in Smokin the Bandit. Oh, Smokin the

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[01:28:18] James: I, I watched that for the first time not too long ago. Oh

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[01:28:22] Phil: good. No, the rest of them sucked. I don't know why they thought they needed to make more.

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[01:28:33] Chris: put a mustache on him, they'll never notice.

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[01:28:41] Phil: Well,

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[01:29:06] Sherry: What did you call it? But it's not to me. I don't, I don't watch the, the lifetime movies

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[01:29:14] Sherry: This, this is an awesome story and it is. A true story. So I didn't know that. I, I, I,

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[01:29:33] James: It's top to bottom. Great, great story. Great acting. And it's. It's a great movie. Yeah, it's more fun

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[01:29:41] James: but it's, yeah, it pulls you both directions. As funny as it is, is as heartbreaking as it is. So it

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[01:29:54] James: not a movie that I want to go, Hey, let's watch Steel Magnolias tonight, everybody.

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[01:30:08] Sherry: is it is like a scene into a Southern woman's, uh, outing at the hair at the, um, going to get her hair cut or the salon. Yeah. Um, cause I was telling him I used to go to one lady.

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[01:30:32] Phil: there was a lot of beauty parlors in people's houses for some reason, South Carolina, you know,

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[01:30:39] James: point. It's like a pub.

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[01:30:57] Chris: you know, Yeah, Stacey used to, uh, [01:31:00] uh, one of hers met her, uh, here in Burleson, she, uh, what did she used to go to was.

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[01:31:19] Chris: And as it goes, he gets a haircut inside a bus. So yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean, it's a different lady now, but yeah. Do your own business. Yeah. It's a community. Yeah. I was gonna, I was thinking consider the whole time, [01:31:30] but, uh, I think you convinced me, James. Yeah. You gotta go. You gotta go recommend.

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[01:31:36] Phil: So it was a four recommends. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You pulled a big one down. Wow. So yeah, I, I just, the quality of writing and acting and it's fun enough to balance out the melodramatic, the, you know, the crying parts. Yeah. But even those, I think, are handled by expert actresses, actors, so, right. And if you don't laugh or cry, then you're, you're a robot

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[01:32:06] James: Oh, absolutely. Like I said, every woman in my life wants to be Wea. Yeah. And for a reason. She's fun.

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[01:32:15] Chris: before I guess when I'd seen it before and because I remember like she was you know I remember her like it was one of the biggest parts about it when I remember if I'd watched it this time But yeah now it was like for me.

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[01:32:38] Chris: Like I remember from, uh, Mrs. Doubtfire when she realizes that he's, uh, that Robin Williams has been Mrs. Doubtfire the whole time. She's like, Daniel, that was you the whole time, the whole time, just the way she does it. Like, yeah, it's,

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[01:32:49] Chris: good

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[01:32:57] James: And that that's, it's like [01:33:00] watching my mom, hearing my mom do these things with that accent. It's like, yeah, that's her. That's cool. She's going to love hearing that on the podcast.

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[01:33:17] Sherry: That is the line that gets me every.

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[01:33:28] Sherry: Mission Accomplished. Alright, Faye. [01:33:30] Okay, you ready? Yep. Said they taught like bumper stickers. All the women in his community claimed that they were weasels.

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[01:33:42] Sherry: Yeah.

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[01:33:44] Phil: frank.

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[01:33:45] Phil: Thank God for edits. That is not what this

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[01:33:49] James: I hit

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[01:33:52] James: on my phone. Season 3. Yeah.

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[01:33:54] James: We all have. We know what it's like to be sucked into that kind of drama, and this [01:34:00] movie, it hits that. It's perfect.

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[01:34:03] Phil: that's rough. That's us beating. Well, yeah, you're

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[01:34:05] Phil: How does it feel to be wrong, Chris? If you get that, then you have a dirty mind.

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[01:34:15] James: that. Every woman I know wants to be Weezer.

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[01:34:36] Chris: Oh God, yeah. Don't do that, that's bad. Hey kids, forget tie fives. Here's a long dart. C'mon man, we're driving into the second act. I

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[01:34:52] James: her. Granny Piper, man.

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[01:34:56] James: You

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[01:34:58] Phil: [01:35:00] Well,

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[01:35:02] Phil: I thought they were funny. Dad did not. No, no, no. He did not. Not thrilled. This is a picture of a character showing the Dark Knight in soul all over their face.

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[01:35:20] James: Once that line hits, floodgates open and, uh, baseball, baseball.

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[01:35:27] James: cry. Don't cry.