The Journey Home: Exploring Themes of Connection in Planes, Trains and Automobiles
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The episode delves into the intricate dynamics of the film "Planes, Trains and Automobiles," elucidating the profound transformations experienced by the protagonist, Neil. At the outset, Neil is portrayed as an uptight individual, beset by myriad travel-related adversities and obstacles, exacerbated by his unwillingness to embrace the unpredictable nature of life. As the narrative unfolds, we witness him gradually relinquishing his rigid expectations, catalyzed by his interactions with the affable yet oblivious Del Griffith. The discourse navigates through various thematic elements such as the significance of camaraderie, the acceptance of chaos, and the inherent value of adaptability amidst unforeseen circumstances. Ultimately, this examination serves to highlight the poignant realization that genuine connection and compassion can emerge from even the most trying of journeys.
Takeaways:
- The podcast discusses the intricate dynamics between characters in the film, highlighting how Neil's journey reflects personal growth.
- John Hughes' writing style is praised for its ability to convey deep emotional truths through humor and relatable storytelling.
- The episode emphasizes the significance of relationships formed during adversity, as seen in Neil and Dell's evolving bond throughout their journey.
- Listeners are reminded of the underlying themes of patience and acceptance, as characters navigate the chaos of travel and personal challenges.
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Speaker B:Fellowship of the Real Four Friends in a movie.
Speaker B:This is my pick.
Speaker B:Another John Hughes movie.
Speaker B:I am a big fan of John Hughes as a writer, especially Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
Speaker B:This is a Thanksgiving pick.
Speaker B:I can't think of that many Thanksgiving movies, but I wanted to.
Speaker B:Since we did the Halloween thing, I wanted to.
Speaker B:Any excuse to do a John Hughes movie, of course, But I wanted to maybe do something for Thanksgiving.
Speaker B:And this.
Speaker B:This filled two.
Speaker B:Two checks.
Speaker B:John Hughes and a Thanksgiving movie.
Speaker B:One Man's Journey to Get Home for Thanksgiving.
Speaker B:It had a budget of, I want to say, 15 million.
Speaker B:I wrote it down somewhere.
Speaker B:I think it was 15 million.
Speaker D:I see.
Speaker D:Budget, 15 million?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Budget of 15 million.
Speaker B:A domestic of 49 million.
Speaker B:So definitely made its money back and then some.
Speaker B:It was never released internationally, which I found strange.
Speaker B:I did not realize that 100% of its box office is domestic.
Speaker B:49,530,000.
Speaker D:Well, they don't really do Thanksgiving anywhere else other than North America, I guess, or the United States.
Speaker B:But, I mean, I think Thanksgiving is the setting of this movie.
Speaker B:But I think this movie should have universal appeal.
Speaker B:This movie is.
Speaker B:Is really other.
Speaker B:It is 15 million.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I really like this movie.
Speaker B:So critics over its life have given it 92%, three and a half stars and above fans.
Speaker B:I would have expected fans to be more 87%.
Speaker B:I would want to see that higher because I think that if you see this movie, that you should love this movie.
Speaker B:But only 87% of the people agree with me on that.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this is Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
Speaker D:When did this one come out?
Speaker C:87.
Speaker D:87.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:This has just been one of those movies that's always been around.
Speaker D:Always been on the TV at some point in my life.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like I was saying, I've seen all of the movie, just never all at once.
Speaker D:So this.
Speaker D:This gave me a chance to sit down and watch.
Speaker D:View it in sequence.
Speaker B:Yeah, this John Hughes really gets you in the Fields, as Chris says in his movies, and this one especially, I really dig the ending of this movie or whatever, but we can talk about that when we get to it or whatever.
Speaker D:So, yeah, this is just a movie about going home in one of the worst.
Speaker D:Just travel delays and every.
Speaker D:I think we've all had that.
Speaker D:When we went to Maine just this last time, we had an eight hour layover in D.C.
Speaker D:yeah.
Speaker D:And that was big.
Speaker D:Bad enough as it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because we didn't want to leave.
Speaker D:We didn't want to do anything.
Speaker D:It was just eight hours.
Speaker D:So I slept.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Just took a Xanax and I was out.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:My, my first year in my current job as a manager, like the week of Thanksgiving, I went to Little Rock and we, we almost got stuck there.
Speaker C:So like, never again have I gone around a holiday.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker C:But yeah, like, it was so bad.
Speaker C:Like we were just like.
Speaker C:Our flight kept getting delayed, kept getting.
Speaker C:We're like, you know, we're five hours, let's rent a car and just drive home, make sure we get there.
Speaker C:And we were this close to doing.
Speaker C:Finally, you know, we're able to get on a.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:My boss and I were able to get on a flight.
Speaker C:But yeah, never again are we, you know, do I book a flight anywhere near the holiday.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:I think everybody has a.
Speaker D:Just a horror travel story.
Speaker B:Well, it's also the end.
Speaker B:It's the most traveled day.
Speaker B:I think it is biggest travel day in the year.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's, that's because some people don't have a choice.
Speaker C:If you want to see your family, you got to do what you need to do to get there.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And he's.
Speaker D:This came from a John Hughes story where a quick travel home ended up being five days because his plan got diverted to Phoenix or something.
Speaker C:I didn't know that.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker D:It's just ridiculous.
Speaker B:I think with any John Hughes story you get, you get the full package, full story.
Speaker B:I think this is no exception.
Speaker B:My opening image, obviously it's two days before Thanksgiving.
Speaker B:It may even say that I can't remember.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Neil, who is a marketing executive, I guess, are presenting a project to their boss, who is apparently a bit meticulous.
Speaker B:Neil, under the gun, but obligated to stay, is encumbered by.
Speaker B:So when you're looking for an opening image, you're looking for the before state.
Speaker B:And so throughout this movie, poor Neil is going to be encumbered by.
Speaker B:I have the phrase encumbered by idiots, which is a line from young guns do or whatever.
Speaker B:Encumbered by idiots.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We pressed on.
Speaker B:Throughout this movie, Neil has one challenge after another in the form of other people, you know, especially John Candy's character.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:But it's really not though.
Speaker C:It's really.
Speaker C:He's in his own way.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Because he won't go with the flow.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It appears that there's other people.
Speaker B:And yes, there is a significant growth.
Speaker C:To Neil because just even in this opening scene, the other guy, the other executive who's sitting across the table from.
Speaker C:It's Ferris Bueller's dad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's in the same boat.
Speaker C:He's stuck, but he.
Speaker C:Instead of rushing, he booked himself a later flight, an 8 o' clock flight.
Speaker C:And he's not stressed out like Steve Martin is.
Speaker C:He's more.
Speaker C:He's already like going with the flow.
Speaker C:Like I feel like he's already where Steve needs to be by the end of the movie.
Speaker B:Neil is.
Speaker B:Neil expects things to be a certain way.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Go according to plan.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's not a go with the flow kind of guy.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I think that's actually brought out quite, quite poignantly later.
Speaker B:He's under the gun, obligated to stay encumbered by idiots and under pressure.
Speaker B:He spends most of this movie under pressure.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:Now under pressure of his own making.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:I think his own expectations.
Speaker B:Expectations about how the world should work.
Speaker B:His boss immediately finally getting out from his boss.
Speaker B:There is the scene with.
Speaker B:And I forgot that Kevin Bacon.
Speaker B:Kevin Bacon.
Speaker B:This Hulk cab competition which nearly cost him his life.
Speaker B:You know, he almost gets run over in a bit of foreshadowing.
Speaker B:Trips over the case.
Speaker B:That is all that is carried by Dell.
Speaker B:Loses the cab to Dell during negotiations with the guy.
Speaker B:You know, the man who would give 50, would give 100 or, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:I did necessarily.
Speaker D:I thought it was pretty easy to get a cab in rush hour.
Speaker D:It's like.
Speaker D:Ah, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But again, I mean all these.
Speaker C:I mean, speaking to just use strength as a writer.
Speaker C:Just all these obstacles, all this crazy shit this guy's willing to do to get a cab.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's willing to, you know, bribe a guy, you know, all the way up to 50, 75 bucks.
Speaker C:We're talking about race a guy down the street who's younger than you.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:Right across the way.
Speaker C:Just to try to get a cab, you know, all of that.
Speaker C:To try to make it home as opposed to just go with the flow.
Speaker C:Because Dale gets a cab because he's going with the flow.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, he does kind of steal it a little bit, but he didn't.
Speaker C:I love his.
Speaker C:We're getting ahead of ourselves.
Speaker C:But the.
Speaker C:You stole my cab.
Speaker C:I've never stolen anything in my life.
Speaker C:Like, I mean, it's completely like he's so good with the flow.
Speaker C:He's unaware almost of the stuff around him.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And we'll.
Speaker B:We'll talk about this as we get into it, as he is joined at the hip with Dell throughout this movie.
Speaker B:Dell is a master and a master and a master negotiator of the world that he is in.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, and, and, and Steve Steel is not.
Speaker B:Neil is not.
Speaker C:Anyway, before we get too far, I was going to say it and just a little thing, like, I really like the beginning when the titles come across.
Speaker C:You hear all the sounds of planes, trains and automobile.
Speaker C:Like, you know, and multiple cars in there.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:I don't know, just.
Speaker C:I was kind of cool.
Speaker C:It's a little thing, but I liked it.
Speaker B:We are given a ticking clock.
Speaker B:Minutes to spare.
Speaker B:Flight delay.
Speaker B:So he gets the airport.
Speaker B:He's got minutes to spare.
Speaker B:But then, delay, delay, delay, delay.
Speaker B:A man, Neil, subject to the whims and cast of others to include getting bumped from first class to coach.
Speaker B:He has almost a meltdown there where he has yet again to encounter his nemesis, Dell.
Speaker B:So he's going to continually bump into Del until it becomes apparent that they are going to remain together.
Speaker B:His nemesis, I call him.
Speaker D:That book he was reading at the airport, what is it called?
Speaker C:The Canadian Mountain.
Speaker B:I have a note about that.
Speaker D:Go.
Speaker D:Everybody has notes, you guys.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker D:Well, I was going to say that's in Deadpool.
Speaker A:Is it?
Speaker D:That's the book Ryan Reynolds is reading.
Speaker B:I did not know that.
Speaker B:Well, since you brought a real book.
Speaker D:It's not a real book.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Well, Del reading the book, the Canadian Mounted.
Speaker B:Okay, so now Del is completely at home.
Speaker B:Well, oblivious, but he's oblivious because he is totally comfortable with who he is.
Speaker C:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker B:Yeah, I like me, he'll say later.
Speaker B:Which in one of the.
Speaker B:A very poignant moment, apparently a piece of adult fiction establishes him as a man comfortable in his own skin, unashamed of who he is and what he likes.
Speaker B:Like Dell is, you know, this is who I am.
Speaker B:Take me or leave me.
Speaker B:Even says that later, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Steve Neal is not decidedly like that.
Speaker B:Just unapologetically reading clearly what is, you know.
Speaker D:Well, it's.
Speaker D:It's about as uptight of person you can get with the most oblivious person you can get it's the odd couple on steroids.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, I was gonna say the note I had about that book is there's.
Speaker C:You can buy like a.
Speaker C:It's a trivia about this movie now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's called the same title and the same cover.
Speaker C:Even with that.
Speaker C:With the girl on the front.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But you can buy it.
Speaker C:The Canadian Mounted.
Speaker C:But it's a trivia about this movie.
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker C:The whole thing's a tribute to this movie and.
Speaker B:Which I think is a testimony to the.
Speaker B:Because I.
Speaker B:It says 87% of the fans.
Speaker B:But people who love this movie.
Speaker B:Love this movie, man.
Speaker B:You know, so those 87% are hardcore, I think.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Anyway, this is all part of the setup.
Speaker B:So we're meeting already.
Speaker B:We got a very strong opinion about who these two are.
Speaker B:And these are.
Speaker B:And Hughes is very good.
Speaker B:He did it in Breakfast Club very well.
Speaker B:And I think he does it in all his movies.
Speaker B:Strong characters, archetype characters coming from.
Speaker B:From their unique perspective and totally honest and faithful to that perspective as the character, you know.
Speaker C:And he's very efficient.
Speaker C:Like, his setup is quick.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Very efficient.
Speaker B:In a second, you know who this guy is now you'll get more layers about that, you know, Right.
Speaker B:On the plane, we take the shoes off.
Speaker B:Oh, dogs are barking.
Speaker B:I just love it.
Speaker B:Anyway, so, yeah, you get who these guys are immediately.
Speaker B:And Del is happy with Del.
Speaker B:I have right down here in the setup.
Speaker B:Kind meets callous.
Speaker B:So Dell is kind of Neil Callis.
Speaker B:He is let.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:The world has turned him into just a callous soul who expects things, goes his way, and when they don't, he is not happy.
Speaker B:They land.
Speaker B:Okay, so they get on a plane.
Speaker B:They land in Wichita because of the snowstorm in Chicago.
Speaker B:So I have, as the catalyst, stuck in Wichita.
Speaker B:Dell, the more seasoned traveler, has secured hotel.
Speaker B:Neil does not have one and is faced with a choice.
Speaker B:The floor or more time with Dell.
Speaker B:A quick debate, and Dell it is.
Speaker B:So right off the bat, we're going to learn that Dell is infinitely familiar with this world and is a master at negotiating the ups and downs of it.
Speaker C:Yeah, he was prepared.
Speaker C:He already had secured a hotel where you see Neil in line at the payphones because there was no cell phones in 87.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker C:So they're all in line, trying to get a.
Speaker C:I was thinking about that when I was watching.
Speaker C:I was like, man, nowadays you want to book a hotel, you just get on your phone and you do it all online.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, you know, there's no Internet, no cell phones right in 87.
Speaker C:So everybody's at these, you know, freaking long lines.
Speaker C:Try to get to the.
Speaker C:You know, at the pay phone.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:Yeah, he can't get one because he was not prepared.
Speaker C:Like you're saying, for the.
Speaker C:For the world.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Dell is a shower ring salesman, which I'm not even sure that's a real thing.
Speaker B:There was a movie once where.
Speaker B:I think it's the most obscure job I've ever seen in a movie.
Speaker B:And I don't remember the movie or show or whatever, but the guy, when asked what he did, he showed you a shoelace.
Speaker B:And he says, you know those little plastic pieces that are put on the ends of shoelaces so you can lace.
Speaker B:What is it?
Speaker D:They're called aglets.
Speaker B:Oh, they have a name.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:He says, that's what I do.
Speaker B:I make those.
Speaker B:Like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:You have to reach deep as a writer to.
Speaker C:For those of you who don't know, James's first job was making aglets.
Speaker D:I learned it from a Phineas and Ferb episode on Nickelodeon.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker D:Thank you very much.
Speaker C:Okay, well, maybe those guys, they made.
Speaker D:A whole song about it.
Speaker D:Aglets.
Speaker B:How does it go?
Speaker C:James?
Speaker C:Damn.
Speaker D:I was like, I.
Speaker D:This is one of those things that planted in my mind.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't remember the movie, but that guy made aglets.
Speaker B:This guy makes shower.
Speaker B:He sells shower rings.
Speaker B:There was a.
Speaker B:There was another movie.
Speaker C:Things exist so that you could argue that they're real jobs.
Speaker B:It could be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Have to be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There was a.
Speaker B:There was a movie.
Speaker B:We're not going to dwell on this.
Speaker B:Who sold.
Speaker B:The guy sold extension cords, different gauges and lengths of extension.
Speaker B:All the M90.
Speaker B:Well, that's, you know.
Speaker B:Oh, my.
Speaker B:He was infinitely familiar with.
Speaker B:Anyway, so that's the setup.
Speaker B:We got kind meets callous, and the man under pressure meets the man who has no social pressure whatsoever.
Speaker C:I liked how his debate was.
Speaker C:Was.
Speaker C:Was visual.
Speaker C:And no very minimal dialogue.
Speaker C:Like when he, you know, he didn't.
Speaker C:So Neil can't get the hotel.
Speaker C:Dale's already got it.
Speaker C:So Dale offers, you know, again, the kindness.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because if it's reversed by fucking.
Speaker C:Neil's not offering Dale to share shit.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:But he says, you know, hey, you want to come with me?
Speaker C:And he looks over there, sees this.
Speaker B:Poor guy on the floor.
Speaker B:Sleep.
Speaker C:Guy sleeping.
Speaker C:You know, sleeping.
Speaker C:And then he turns to him and just nods.
Speaker C:Yep, yep, I'm there.
Speaker B:Yes, John Hughes.
Speaker B:We don't get started on that.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:To me, he is one of the.
Speaker B:He's awesome.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, the break into two.
Speaker B:All right, so.
Speaker B:So Del moves through this world with finesse and an acumen and knowledge.
Speaker B:And he's familiar with this world.
Speaker B:He has sold shower curtains to everybody along this route apparently and knows everybody by name.
Speaker B:So he calls Doogie the cab driver and knows Doogie by name and apparently has dealt with him before.
Speaker B:And Doogie is not your normal cab driver.
Speaker B:Is taking them a different way.
Speaker B:You know, not the direct route to the hotel.
Speaker B:Neil questions this.
Speaker C:Well, but in the inside of the cab, there's, you know, pornography all over the inside.
Speaker C:Half naked chicks or whatever.
Speaker B:It is not yellow cab number 47.
Speaker B:You know, how am I driving?
Speaker B:Car, you know, and a little bit creepy.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But says, you know, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know what the cab driver says.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But Dell says, oh, he's proud of his town, you know, a damned rare thing these days.
Speaker B:You know, he's proud of his town.
Speaker C:The cab driver tells him something about, you know, thought you might want to, you know, take a see the town look in the Only.
Speaker C:If you go on the interstate, the only thing you see on interstate is interstate.
Speaker B:Yeah, right, right.
Speaker B:He's proud of his town, you know.
Speaker B:So Dell, you know, obviously this man only has the best intentions.
Speaker B:He wants us to see.
Speaker B:He's proud of his town.
Speaker B:That's a noble quality.
Speaker B:Neil is chewing nails.
Speaker C:But even then, the.
Speaker C:The Neil's expectations of how a cab.
Speaker C:Cab ride should go.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Are not being met.
Speaker B:Yeah, this.
Speaker B:This is not what a cab should look like.
Speaker B:This is not how a cab driver should act.
Speaker C:Yes, but the.
Speaker C:The cab ride.
Speaker C:The guy's not assaulting him.
Speaker C:He's not, you know.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Okay, you could argue the pictures are offensive, but Neil, if you just sit back and relax, man, you're being.
Speaker C:You're being in a cab ride.
Speaker C:You're going from the airport.
Speaker C:You're not sleeping on the right airport floor like you worried about.
Speaker C:You're being taken to a place where you'd be able to sleep with a bed.
Speaker C:Like, calm down, man.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But Neil is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dell knows these people.
Speaker B:Cabbie Hotel.
Speaker B:Even though he does the hotel clerk when they check in.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:You know, I sold them the shower rings.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I like how he sees the rings later.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Later when he's in the shower.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Neil's breaking into.
Speaker B:I guess is accepting.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I'm having his accepting the.
Speaker B:The ride with Dell or whatever.
Speaker B:At this point, he's.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:His world is chaos and the catalyst is his Flight being diverted and Dell offering him a ride.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:I guess I'm kind of torn.
Speaker C:I had that, like, with him, you know, because I'd made a comment earlier by him nodding and accepting, but part of me, like, says that could still be debate.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I guess because the.
Speaker C:I'm jumping ahead, but they have the big argument and the break, you know, and they have the big disagreement or Neil gets back in the bed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, that's a big moment.
Speaker C:So I was like.
Speaker C:My first ones were, is that the break into two?
Speaker C:Because he decides to.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Despite all this, I'm getting back in the bed.
Speaker C:Or I guess his options are going to hall.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But even.
Speaker B:Even later on in a restaurant, doesn't he.
Speaker B:I think we'd move faster if we separated.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So several times the whole time he's trying to get away from this guy.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Well, the thing.
Speaker D:I guess it didn't show it or showed it in the trailers or whatever, but that first night with the.
Speaker D:The bed, he had spilled beer in the bed.
Speaker D:Dell did?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's revealed through dialogue.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's revealed through dialogue.
Speaker D:He spilled a six pack of beer.
Speaker B:He put it on the vibrator.
Speaker C:And then they.
Speaker C:They got all shook open.
Speaker C:The explode.
Speaker C:I didn't know those cans were gonna explode.
Speaker C:You left them on a vibrating bread.
Speaker C:What did you expect?
Speaker C:Going to have to do it.
Speaker D:And then the other part was the pizza.
Speaker D:They had ordered pizza and all that, and Steve Martin wanted a salad.
Speaker D:He had ended up eating pizza.
Speaker D:He gave the delivery guy a dollar.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that's all.
Speaker D:That was all cut out.
Speaker D:The delivery guy was the guy that robbed them.
Speaker B:Oh, was that.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:So he was coming back, you know, a dollar tip.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Motivation for the robbery.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker D:But obviously they cut out it.
Speaker D:The motivation still worked, but that was cut out.
Speaker C:I mean, him going with Dale is a pretty big decision.
Speaker C:So that's probably the break into.
Speaker C:But I just.
Speaker C:I feel like getting back in the bed is a big thing too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Catboy has to break into two as.
Speaker B:As Steve and John ride.
Speaker B:I guess his name was Wolf, whose taxiola is part jukebox and part opium den.
Speaker B:Steve has entered the upside down world of Del Griffith, and he won't be the same again.
Speaker B:So I guess he's pegging that as the break into two.
Speaker C:They're going with him.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's.
Speaker C:That's probably right.
Speaker B:His debate is, what will Steve do now?
Speaker B:John offers to find Steve lodging For the night.
Speaker B:Should Steve join him?
Speaker B:That is the question.
Speaker B:His theme stated is John tells Steve his motto.
Speaker B:Like your.
Speaker B:Like your work, love your wife.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I think this, the theme is stated better later.
Speaker C:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker B:Home is the place Steve needs to get to out of duty.
Speaker B:But his lessons will be learning to appreciate it.
Speaker B:I think, I think there's a better theme down the line.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So far, yeah.
Speaker B:Catboy has a breaking where I have it breaking.
Speaker B:And I think.
Speaker B:Because I think later on, like Steve Martin is going to be trying to get away from Dell for quite a while.
Speaker B:You know, fun and games.
Speaker B:This whole, this whole motel sequence I thought is full of ideas of value.
Speaker C:Oh, for sure.
Speaker B:You know, this scene is awesome.
Speaker B:Share room, one double bed.
Speaker B:You know, the first thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The music, the reveal.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The camera pans and goes quickly back to the bed.
Speaker C:You know, like revealing.
Speaker C:They just got one bed.
Speaker C:That sucks.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Now there is this setup of the.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And it was set up and paid off so much later that I almost thought that maybe it wasn't a setup because I couldn't remember.
Speaker B:But there is this setup of their Diners Club cards being switched.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:You know, do you think that's Neil's fault or is it the, the hotel manager's fault that they get switched?
Speaker C:Because Neil hands us card first.
Speaker C:He puts that down and for some reason when he's talking, I guess he switches because of the.
Speaker C:Dale can pay because he switches the cards.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But he moves Neil's closer to himself and then he takes Dale's, runs it and then sets it closer to them.
Speaker C:And Neil's thinking, well, I handed my card first.
Speaker C:You're done with it.
Speaker C:That's got to be mine.
Speaker C:He takes it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think he's.
Speaker B:He's just in such a hurry.
Speaker C:It matters on the blame.
Speaker C:I just, I went back and even rewound it because I was thinking this guy is so much in his own way.
Speaker C:Because even the cards switch up his fault.
Speaker C:But I couldn't really.
Speaker B:I don't think one way or the other.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker C:Other than being impatient and grabbing.
Speaker B:He doesn't pay it.
Speaker B:I don't say he doesn't pay attention.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He is in a hurry and he.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If he's taking a second to look.
Speaker C:Oh, shit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you stop and take a second.
Speaker C:The idea of their cards look exactly the same never entered his mind.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:And that this should be my card, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:That it goes back to Neil.
Speaker D:His expectation.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:It's just an expectation.
Speaker D:Of everything's going to go his way.
Speaker B:It should be right.
Speaker D:The universe is just.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And again, it's a very small, very subtle small, fast way.
Speaker B:Again, it's character.
Speaker B:It goes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So the thing with Hughes is he's not going to waste screen time or page man.
Speaker B:If he's writing something, he's got an idea.
Speaker B:And I, and I think, you know, I never really thought of it maybe till now we're speaking, but you can look at it and say, yeah, Neil is acting with haste.
Speaker B:And you know, and, and that's Right.
Speaker B:To his character.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, Dale's bullshit.
Speaker C:When the guy's not in a hurry to get his card back, he's not going to get talking to.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:His friend that he sees that, you know, every so often on his route.
Speaker B:You know, the shower, no towels.
Speaker B:The whole scene where this deal is trying to dry off with what, a washcloth.
Speaker C:Well, I like how you didn't even the reveal of that.
Speaker C:Like, because he's in the shower, water stops working.
Speaker C:Why he's got soap on his face, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And finally he gets down to the shower, opens the curtain and it's a disaster in there.
Speaker C:Like, you never even saw Dale go in there and make this mess.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's a complete disaster.
Speaker D:Everything.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:And all that's left is.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:A little hand towel to dry off with.
Speaker C:And Martin sells that.
Speaker C:Trying to dry draw.
Speaker C:It dries back with the stupid bullshit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, no, absolutely.
Speaker B:Now you could argue, well, Del was kind of selfish there.
Speaker B:But you at this point, you know, Del does nothing out of selfishness.
Speaker B:Yeah, he.
Speaker B:He is a good natured guy.
Speaker B:And, and it just.
Speaker D:He's oblivious.
Speaker B:Oblivious.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And like with the cab.
Speaker B:I never stole anything in my life.
Speaker B:Had no animosity towards Steve Martin by using all and leave them all.
Speaker C:He didn't apologize as an offer to buy him.
Speaker C:When we kind of skipped over that once he realized, oh, it was kind of easy.
Speaker C:And you said earlier, James, I guess it was kind of easy to get a cab in rush hour.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, shit.
Speaker C:I guess I did steal your cab inadvertently.
Speaker C:Can I buy you a Coke?
Speaker C:A sandwich?
Speaker C:He offers like 4,000 things to make it right.
Speaker B:Which I thought was very cool dialogue, you know.
Speaker D:Well, also, when they first walk into the hotel room, he says, do you want to take a shower?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And Neil with his uptight.
Speaker B:What do you.
Speaker D:What do you mean?
Speaker C:Together.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He offers it first.
Speaker B:I didn't even think.
Speaker B:I didn't remember.
Speaker D:There you go.
Speaker D:Because obviously Dell's gonna make a mess.
Speaker D:He knows it.
Speaker D:Go, please.
Speaker D:Use what you need.
Speaker B:And putting others before himself.
Speaker B:Whereas Neil's.
Speaker C:You want to step through the door first?
Speaker D:Neil have.
Speaker D:Yeah, thank you.
Speaker D:I will take a shower.
Speaker D:He would have had a clean, pristine bathroom.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker D:He could have set aside a towel for himself.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:It can't get out of his own way.
Speaker C:And that's on the.
Speaker C:Sharing the bed.
Speaker C:Though.
Speaker C:When I watch this movie, I am reminded of our trip to Austin where you and I shared a bed.
Speaker C:Now, it was not near as ventful as this movie, but it did suck as far as sharing a bed.
Speaker D:You're a terrible bed mate.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, I'm not blaming it all on Phil.
Speaker C:Sometimes I don't sleep well with my wife in the bed, but I don't know if you feel the same way about it.
Speaker C:But yeah, it was enjoyed the trip.
Speaker C:Sharing in the bed sucked.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Well, yes, because we went down there.
Speaker C:For Die Hard or something.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And it was, you know, we wanted to obviously not drop a ton of money, and so we shared a room and thought it'd be cool.
Speaker C:And in hindsight, maybe not.
Speaker B:It was the same hotel where, you know, where the.
Speaker B:It was right.
Speaker B:Right near the theater where.
Speaker B:Where what's the name was going to speak the writer of Die Hard.
Speaker B:And you're not.
Speaker B:You're going to pay premium prices.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker C:That's a drift school.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, so it's a hotel.
Speaker D:You have that moment when you walked into the hotel room and you looked at the bed and.
Speaker C:No, I didn't.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:I guess we knew.
Speaker C:We knew we were going to share a bed.
Speaker C:It'd be cool.
Speaker C:Like I, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And underestimated, you know, how well that would go.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This again, this is.
Speaker B:This is one of the anchors of this movie, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The shower, no towels.
Speaker B:And then the sleeping.
Speaker B:The contrast of this chaos with the peaceful world.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker B:So Neil's life is in chaos and he calls home and his wife is there, and it's all soft music and very calm.
Speaker B:And so Neil.
Speaker B:Immediate contrast to the hell that Neil is in versus the paradise that he's.
Speaker C:Trying to get to.
Speaker C:You know, I didn't even catch that, like, just how, like, I noticed how subdued she was and like, Stacey even thought she seemed too, like, very cold and, like, not very loving.
Speaker C:But yeah, I think that it's all.
Speaker C:Speaks to the music and what you just said.
Speaker C:It's very calm.
Speaker C:Please.
Speaker C:You know, contrast to the chaos season.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And Neil has.
Speaker B:He absolutely implodes here.
Speaker B:The contrast words hurt.
Speaker B:And Del sells it.
Speaker B:The speech.
Speaker C:This speech when they can't sleep.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, he can't sleep because the beer and.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's sleeping in the beer and he's clearing the signs, all the stuff.
Speaker C:He can't even tries to read, even, like him with a lighter.
Speaker C:Like, who does that?
Speaker C:Like, I couldn't see.
Speaker C:Like, that's not enough light for me over to try to read in bed.
Speaker C:But he's.
Speaker C:Again, is Dale being super considerate?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:But even like the flick of a lighter is pissing fucking.
Speaker D:He's trying to be considerate.
Speaker D:He just doesn't.
Speaker D:He doesn't have the best way of doing it.
Speaker B:Yes, but.
Speaker B:But it all comes from pure pureness.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because even after this, you know, very hilarious clearing of the sinuses.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Is what he says right afterwards, you know, like, he's.
Speaker D:If I don't clear my sinuses, I snore all night.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Neil loses shit.
Speaker C:Gets up out of bed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I could be a cold, hard cynic like you, but I'm not changing.
Speaker B:He is the instrument of change in this movie, obviously.
Speaker C:Oh, he's a beast warrior.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:I'm not change.
Speaker B:I like me.
Speaker B:My wife like this.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:I tell you, man, I can't believe.
Speaker C:Dale didn't walk away, though.
Speaker C:Which, again, he's.
Speaker C:Because he's a kind guy.
Speaker C:But all the shit that Martin says to him, like, it's really shitty and really hurtful.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Dale, if he wasn't a kind guy, he should have punched him.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:No, this is.
Speaker B:And I'm telling you, man, the whole time that Neil is going off, you could see and had.
Speaker B:You know, when John Candy.
Speaker B:There are only a couple times that I almost.
Speaker B:That I did cry when.
Speaker B:When an actor died.
Speaker B:When, when.
Speaker B:When Robin Williams died.
Speaker B:I was literally in tears.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I mean, because I knew what a soul he was.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:John Candy, when he died, I felt like part of the world, the light.
Speaker B:Some part of the light of the world went dimmer.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:By all accounts, Candy was a.
Speaker B:Just a gentleman and a.
Speaker B:Just a great, great guy.
Speaker B:Like, he probably was Dell, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:You can see the hurt on his face.
Speaker C:I think that's what makes me so mad at Neil's character about the.
Speaker C:And then he just keeps going on and on and on you, man.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And John Candy, comedic actor.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But, man, that is like, that's that's hardcore acting.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker C:Oh, for sure.
Speaker B:Without saying a word, his face is just melting, and you could see, like, the lashes of these words.
Speaker B:I think it's awesome.
Speaker C:And even his.
Speaker C:You know, to his.
Speaker C:His response, because everybody else is like, wanting to punch him, beat him, beat Dale up.
Speaker C:I mean, beat Neil up.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And his response is, oh, you want to hurt me?
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker C:Like, just.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker B:It was awesome.
Speaker B:We have the Thief in the Night.
Speaker C:Well, so I had a note about the.
Speaker C:The theme stated.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:And I guess I think it stated a little bit better later on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But something occurred to me during his.
Speaker C:His rant.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He make.
Speaker C:He says the.
Speaker C:I don't remember what he's talking.
Speaker C:He's talking about, you know, how can you stand this kind of stuff?
Speaker C:And he's like, I've been with Dale Griffith.
Speaker C:I can.
Speaker C:Oh, gosh, I can withstand anything.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:In a way that's kind of the theme, you know, is like, him having.
Speaker C:Going on this journey with Dale allows him to.
Speaker C:Because at the end of the movie, he can withstand anything.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Because he's not going with the flow, and it's.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker C:And you mean it as an insult.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:It is, you know, hanging on the theme.
Speaker B:And these are two comedic actors.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But hats off to Steve Martin, too, because you know that when he ends that, you know, how can you stand it?
Speaker B:I've been with Del Griffison, and the other guy says, yeah, I know what you like.
Speaker B:Like, he.
Speaker B:There is.
Speaker B:There is venom in his voice, in.
Speaker C:The way he does.
Speaker C:And even the rah rah when he's talking about the pulling the string, which is funny, but.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, there's.
Speaker C:What's funny.
Speaker C:This guy's a comedian.
Speaker C:But you.
Speaker C:You don't like him for a minute.
Speaker B:No, there is real.
Speaker B:Both these actors are pulling it out, man.
Speaker B:It is awesome.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:The guy that we found out from James, from the deleted scene, which makes total sense now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Comes in to steal their money rather.
Speaker B:Than just a random act of chaos next morning.
Speaker B:Those aren't pillows.
Speaker B:You know that line.
Speaker C:Well, I was gonna say this a second ago.
Speaker C:So they violated the rule.
Speaker C:If two grown men are gonna sleep in the same bed, you either sleep pole to pole or hole to hole.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Never pull to hole.
Speaker C:And they violated that.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I've heard it.
Speaker B:Butt to butt or not to nut, but never nut to butt.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:It's the same thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Clearly violated that Is that an always sunny in Philadelphia?
Speaker D:You know, we always sleep ass to ass.
Speaker D:Charlie.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Everybody's got their own version of this.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:This rule.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, because it's.
Speaker C:It's there for a reason.
Speaker C:These guys violated it.
Speaker B:Oh, I think it begins.
Speaker C:Why'd you kiss my ear?
Speaker C:Why are you holding my hand?
Speaker C:Where's your other hand?
Speaker C:Between two pillows.
Speaker C:Those aren't pillows.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:How about the bears, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Very good.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They shaking it off and have this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Even stay slapped at that.
Speaker C:And she's like, you know, it's so funny poking your chest out and you know, more mainly, you know.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But and, and, and this is.
Speaker B:This I think is the brains of movie because we just had a dark angry moment and now we're laughing.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker C:Not even talking about.
Speaker B:I think are brilliant again.
Speaker B:John Hughes, man.
Speaker B:I tell you, those aren't pillows.
Speaker B:Socks and underwear too close for comfort.
Speaker B:Okay, so Dell knows.
Speaker B:All right, so, so, so we've gone.
Speaker B:We've gone from planes and now we're going to move into the trains aspect of our journey.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it actually almost breaks into thirds.
Speaker B:But again, Del knows Bert Dingham who works for the railroad also sold him shower curtains and rings.
Speaker B:Owes him a favor.
Speaker B:Del and I wrote down.
Speaker B:Del is the guide through the special world of the second act.
Speaker B:The B story of the save the cat and the men.
Speaker B:So really the mentor and the B story to.
Speaker B:To Neil, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, because the B story always carries the.
Speaker C:In a well structured movie, it's the B story carries the theme.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So they, and they are.
Speaker C:And you know, they're the mentor to the character because they're the main guy.
Speaker C:Because they're helping.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Them.
Speaker C:Enlighten them and show them the error of their ways or whatever.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So Catboy has the B story is obviously Del and.
Speaker B:And Neil.
Speaker B:Did we talk about what his break into two was?
Speaker B:We did, didn't we?
Speaker B:Yeah, the taxi.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Going with him.
Speaker C:We decided that was it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Funny games, obviously.
Speaker B:I think, I think we'll.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just they have this big, you know, like I was saying earlier, the big argument.
Speaker C:Then he gets back in the bed.
Speaker C:He could have gone out in the hall, but yes.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:There is this even.
Speaker B:And I guess there is even a light moment at the end of that because so Dell has said what he said and gone back into the bed.
Speaker C:And he looks over at him there.
Speaker B:And then and you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:He peeks over his shoulder very quickly to see what he's Going to do.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you're right.
Speaker C:That is funny.
Speaker C:That helps.
Speaker C:So immediately Hugh starts to lighten it and I didn't think much he'd said it a second ago, but they have the funny little moment when they wake up if Dale, I mean, if Neil had gone off again and like had been shitty and some sort of rant, you're really like your sympathy for this guy is gonna go out the window.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker C:So this was Hughes was very, very smart in making them, you know, both play it off and laugh it off.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He does not want you to abandon this guy just yet because Dale is not going to abandon, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Even though Neil wants to.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So the thief and those on post now we're moving into I guess the trains because he knows the train guy.
Speaker C:And well the skipped with the reason.
Speaker C:I mean they're asleep when the pizza guy steals their stuff at the diner the next morning when they realize that they've been robbed.
Speaker C:But yeah, yeah, but Neil discovers it first and immediately thinks Dale stole his money.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And then, and again, I really love the way Hughes reveals it.
Speaker C:Dale again, being this open book and honest, throws this wall down and there's two $263 in there.
Speaker C:There's one more.
Speaker C:I'm a thief.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I've never stolen anything again in my life.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so then he counts it and that's when Nero is.
Speaker C:Oh shit, we've both been robbed.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:Very good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Del is immediately.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The character.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Playing against each other and both reflecting who they are.
Speaker D:So now it comes to the point where Neil needs Dell.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:He's got no money, his cards are messed up.
Speaker B:Yeah, Well, I don't know.
Speaker C:Neil was still wanting to catch a plane too.
Speaker C:I think they're discussing that in the diner and Dale's like, there's no way that's going to happen.
Speaker C:They're all delayed.
Speaker C:We got to find another way.
Speaker B:See, at this point I, I, I thought maybe the cards wasn't a setup because Dell, Neil still has his credit cards and he's.
Speaker B:Yeah, he which become destroyed in a fire layer.
Speaker D:Oh, that's right.
Speaker D:They get the car.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So, so at this point Neil can still try to walk away.
Speaker B:John Hughes is not going to let him, however.
Speaker B:Of course not again.
Speaker B:Dell, friends with the hotel manager, knows his son and his son comes to pick them up to take him to the trades in a very long ride in the back of a pickup.
Speaker D:You know, well, that, that scene there where the guy's spitting his cha.
Speaker D:What his name.
Speaker D:Owen.
Speaker D:Yeah, he spits and then he wipes his hand and shakes Steve Martin's hand.
Speaker D:Yeah, that was, that was unscripted.
Speaker D:Martin didn't know it was gonna happen.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:They told him to mess with him.
Speaker D:And the reaction on Steve Martin's face is genuine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's awesome.
Speaker D:He ran off after that and washed his hands for like.
Speaker B:I'm sure.
Speaker C:That's awesome.
Speaker B:And he makes the most God awful nasal sound.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Like having his aneurysm or something.
Speaker D:And his wife, she's tougher than she looks out here.
Speaker C:Carry this thing.
Speaker C:Oh, no, no, no, we're.
Speaker C:We're fine.
Speaker C:We got it.
Speaker B:And she acts genuinely offended.
Speaker C:She did.
Speaker B:It was being thought that she couldn't lift him, not that her husband is abused.
Speaker B:Abusing.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:The, the ride in the back of the truck, Neil asked, what do you think the temperature is?
Speaker D:130 or 40 miles.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Speaker C:30, 40, 45 tops.
Speaker C:I mean it just, it keeps going up a little bit longer, you know, some gloves.
Speaker C:Because the dog is guarding the gloves.
Speaker C:I mean just because he left his.
Speaker D:Gloves on his boss's desk or something.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, that was set up in the opening scene.
Speaker D:Opening.
Speaker C:Because he asked the buddy to grab the gloves for him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, That's a good payoff.
Speaker C:Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Trains a seeming.
Speaker B:Okay, so again, Dell, I mean Neil's always going to be.
Speaker B:Try parting their ways and on the train they I guess do for a while.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then they didn't have two together.
Speaker C:Oh no.
Speaker B:And the train breaks down.
Speaker C:Smoke.
Speaker C:Did you say that you saw Smoke?
Speaker C:I mean he's.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, he.
Speaker B:At some point he thinks he's going to make it.
Speaker B:But the train has all ideas.
Speaker B:Everybody off.
Speaker B:And now so in a, in a, a glimpse of what he could be, he sees Del dragging his chest across the field.
Speaker B:And again, a second debate.
Speaker B:But you.
Speaker B:But this is a little bit of Del having his influence on him because he eventually will go and help carry Del's chest.
Speaker B:So is he there yet?
Speaker B:No, but by degree and with no dialogue, just a scene.
Speaker B:Again, Hughes is showing that this character is making progress, I think, you know.
Speaker C:And I have a couple of notes on that and it, I didn't like towards the end of the movie when I was watching it, it occurred to me because part of, to me is part of his, his closing image.
Speaker C:But our final image, it's him repeatedly like sharing the load of this journey by picking up the case, the heavy case.
Speaker C:He's sharing the load of this journey with a stranger.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because at the beginning, he's not willing to share shit with a stranger.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker C:Let alone one that's annoying and all this stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But he keeps picking up the chest and keep putting it down.
Speaker C:I mean, his, the.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He loses the.
Speaker C:The race to Kevin Bacon by tripping over the.
Speaker C:Yes, he keeps tripping over what's right in front of him.
Speaker C:He trips over again later, too.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:You know, again, speaking to.
Speaker C:To Hughes.
Speaker C:Mastery of craft.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:A trigger object or an anchor object, something they have a name for, you know, a representative object in the movie and.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely, that's a good point.
Speaker B:I think this case represents the burden and the load that Steve Martin is having to bear at this point.
Speaker B:I have some of the callous nature of Neil already worn away.
Speaker B:Helps Dale in any character like this, and Hughes knows this, you want to show progression.
Speaker B:You don't want to have Neil all of a sudden change at the very end.
Speaker B:Unnatural.
Speaker B:Nobody does that.
Speaker B:But throughout the movie, by degree, Dell is helping Neil and Neil probably is not aware of it at this point.
Speaker B:Trains.
Speaker B:Trains was short.
Speaker B:Automobiles.
Speaker B:The bus.
Speaker B:Have you ever taken a bus?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Well, your mood isn't going to improve.
Speaker C:Are you in a bad mood?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Then, yeah.
Speaker C:Have you ever taken a bus?
Speaker C:Your mood's not going to improve.
Speaker D:They're singing the songs on that bus.
Speaker C:I'd be annoyed on that bus, man.
Speaker C:Everybody's singing and the kid run up and down the aisle.
Speaker C:Someone wrangle in your kid.
Speaker D:Oh, I'd have tripped him.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The couple making out and.
Speaker B:And Dell's.
Speaker B:Oh, you got busted, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But Dale's the one that encourages him to look.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's very funny that.
Speaker C:And like, that annoyed me.
Speaker C:Like it's funny.
Speaker C:It's a funny beat.
Speaker C:But like you're making out in an enclosed space, right?
Speaker C:Like, yeah.
Speaker C:Neil's not the asshole for looking over there.
Speaker C:Like, you're even invading his space.
Speaker C:The way she roll, you know, leans over like her hair's touching his shoulder.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:But it's funny.
Speaker C:It's a funny beat in this world.
Speaker B:People who people are.
Speaker C:Again, it's about being uptight.
Speaker C:Him being uptight.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:They're not uptight.
Speaker B:They're totally fine with.
Speaker B:They don't care.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Dale will read a pornographic novel in public.
Speaker C:They will make out in public.
Speaker C:And they smoke cigarettes like they have cigarettes.
Speaker B:The only person on the bus who has a problem is Neil.
Speaker D:Because Neil has expectations.
Speaker B:Expectations about.
Speaker C:That's not how you behave on a bus.
Speaker C:He never says it.
Speaker D:Everybody should be in their little, you know, their space.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Neil would fit great in the Matrix.
Speaker B:Yeah, probably.
Speaker B:So to pass the time, happy being a battery.
Speaker B:Passing time, singing the songs.
Speaker B:Neil, his choice of songs.
Speaker B:Like everybody, you know, Nobody.
Speaker C:Nobody recognized.
Speaker C:Everybody knows this one.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And then Flintstones.
Speaker B:Everybody loves the Flintstones again.
Speaker B:Dell, complete master of this world.
Speaker B:The people in this world are like Dell.
Speaker B:And Neil is the alien.
Speaker C:Do you sing along with Flintstones when he breaks out?
Speaker C:I do every time.
Speaker C:The last two times I've watched it, I can't help it.
Speaker C:I started singing.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker D:The other thing, just a quick aside.
Speaker D:Did you notice the soundtrack music is Red River Valley?
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker D:That's in Tombstone.
Speaker D:That's what.
Speaker D:That's what she sings.
Speaker D:Oh, that's the same song throughout Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
Speaker D:I just found that out last night.
Speaker D:My girlfriend pointed it out to me.
Speaker B:Oh, I did not know that.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's all throughout this movie.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker D:Yeah, crazy.
Speaker D:Our.
Speaker D:Our two little.
Speaker D:We did Tombstone before.
Speaker D:Now we're doing Planes, Trains.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:There's a link.
Speaker B:Dell, the master of this universe, is what I have now.
Speaker B:I wrote.
Speaker B:I wrote down each one of these because I guarantee when Hughes was writing this or whatever, he probably had a hundred of these, right?
Speaker B:Dell is the master salesman.
Speaker B:They need money at the.
Speaker B:At the.
Speaker B:At the.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, no, no.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I know where you're going.
Speaker D:Bus station.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, bus station.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He sells the shit down 100 and probably filmed 50 of them.
Speaker B:And probably John Candy is probably improvising a lot of these.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:We got to give him credit.
Speaker B:John Hughes, I'm like, put the camera on John and let him go, Right?
Speaker C:You know where he's selling the shower curtain rings as earrings.
Speaker D:So is that what's in the case?
Speaker D:Is the shower rings.
Speaker D:Is that what's in the case?
Speaker D:Or is my theory.
Speaker C:I told.
Speaker C:I waited till the end to tell my.
Speaker C:My wife, you know, I didn't want to ruin it.
Speaker C:I like this girlfriend last year.
Speaker C:I don't subscribe to it, but I like it because it's entertaining to me, realistically.
Speaker C:It's everything he owns.
Speaker C:I guess I was spoiled again because.
Speaker B:I don't have a home, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't have.
Speaker C:He says I don't have a home.
Speaker C:So that's everything he owns.
Speaker D:The case is in there, so probably the shower rings are in there.
Speaker D:He's Got.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Plus.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Are we gonna reveal your theory now or wait till the end?
Speaker D:Wait till the.
Speaker D:Later.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Here, here, Here.
Speaker B:Here's what you can get from Dell.
Speaker B:Diane Sawyer autographed earrings.
Speaker B:That's Czechoslovakian ivory.
Speaker B:Walter Cronkite moon ring.
Speaker B:This is filled with helium.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:So they're lighter.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:Later autographed.
Speaker B:Daryl Strawberry earring.
Speaker B:Daryl Strawberry.
Speaker B:Apparently he was.
Speaker B:I knew who Dale Strawberry was.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I remember going to games when he was playing in Atlanta and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And people would just sit in the stands going, dad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Even the Simpsons, I think, had it there.
Speaker D:Yeah, they did.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Professional athletes, they're used to it.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure.
Speaker B:Earrings originally crafted for the grand wizard of China.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:What is the grand wizard of China?
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:And then tells.
Speaker B:Tells those teenage girls makes you look older.
Speaker B:And they hand over their money.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It makes a girl for 18.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:That was a salesman.
Speaker D:He's a bullshit artist.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:And just master of it.
Speaker B:And I'm sure there's a hundred of those.
Speaker B:I'd like to see the.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:Anyway, more contrast between worlds as Neil.
Speaker B:Neil tries to make a call on a payphone that may or may not be cleaning his.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like he's handling his payphone like it's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:With two fingers.
Speaker B:Two fingers.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Neil wants to split up.
Speaker B:Del suspects ulterior motives, gets his feelings hurt again.
Speaker C:I think that's him, you know, resisting change.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:He's over there trying to solve the problem the old way by calling on the phone and using order as opposed to adapting.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Using the normal conventions where Dale's over there adapting and selling these shower curtains.
Speaker D:He's got money going with the flow, Right.
Speaker B:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker B:Neil tries to rent a car, but his car is missing.
Speaker B:A meltdown and a long walk.
Speaker B:This scene.
Speaker C:This is what I have is a false defeat for me.
Speaker C:The midpoint false defeat is the car's not there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think I'm still in the funny games because I have a false victory.
Speaker B:That's interesting.
Speaker B:We get to.
Speaker B:I'll get to.
Speaker B:Minus.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:He gets.
Speaker D:He's all the way out in, like, 200 acres of what?
Speaker D:Cars.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker D:He's all the way at the back walks.
Speaker B:By the time he gets to the desk, he looks like he's, you know, been through hell or whatever, all torn up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He tries to chase down the bus and.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know if it was intentional or not.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He throws his.
Speaker C:Like, his Receipt away or whatever.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But you see it blow back to him.
Speaker C:It lands, like, not that far from where he's at.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:He says no, again, windows blowing.
Speaker C:It's a piece of paper.
Speaker C:You're not going to throw it very far.
Speaker C:I don't know if, like, if that's just the way it happened when they filmed it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Or if that was intentional because later on he's, you know, he's.
Speaker D:Have your receipt?
Speaker C:Do you have your receipt?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:You're fucked.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, so again, you know, but because I don't know, it's essential to me, like, if it was intentional or not, because it's all.
Speaker C:If Neil would slow the fuck down and pay attention, he could have picked it up right there.
Speaker C:But he's just so upset that he doesn't even know.
Speaker B:He doesn't even know.
Speaker C:Doesn't even realize that it came back.
Speaker A:And of course, the lady at the, the car dealership, she's the second person.
Speaker A:Or there were three people from Ferris Bueller's Day off.
Speaker B:Yeah, she was.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:So the dad and then she was a Grace, right.
Speaker C:Yeah, the.
Speaker D:The old man in the plane was in Home Alone as well.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Falling asleep on him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay, I missed that.
Speaker C:Yeah, the.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Talking about the earrings.
Speaker C:The cute dangly ones.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But the, but yeah, she was Grace, the principal's assistant or whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You're a righteous dude.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So without his guide, Del, Neil does not.
Speaker B:So the second he goes off with.
Speaker B:Without Dell, he's right back in.
Speaker C:Gets worse.
Speaker B:Just gets worse.
Speaker C:Now, now, she did irritate me.
Speaker C:Like you're sitting there having a personal conversation when you got a line of people like, do that on your break.
Speaker B:Right, Sure.
Speaker C:I mean, so that annoyed me a little bit.
Speaker C:But she didn't deserve the.
Speaker C:No, you know, the, you know, you, you know, you took me to, you know, to a fucking place.
Speaker C:All the way fucking middle of nowhere where there was no fucking car.
Speaker D:You know, that was.
Speaker D:That scene is why Steve Martin took this.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker C:He wrote to that and went, yep, I want to do it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then you say announcement.
Speaker B:Enunciate every one of those efforts.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker B:Make absolutely certain.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He wants to stick the landing on.
Speaker B:All of them and he does.
Speaker C:Is that how it goes?
Speaker C:That took me out to the middle of nowhere for a car that wasn't there.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:Movie would have been PG13 all day long but for that scene.
Speaker B:Because they allow one, I think.
Speaker B:One.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:One.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's still the rule.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's What?
Speaker C:So it's interesting.
Speaker C:I wonder if Hughes like cared at all.
Speaker C:If he was like, hey John, you know, you take these out and it's PG13.
Speaker C:I don't fucking care.
Speaker B:You know, I think, I think absolutely you need every single.
Speaker B:Now you talk about.
Speaker B:Oh, language.
Speaker B:But sometimes like, like Hughes does, like he doesn't waste a bit of ink.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Every one of those is because it needs to be there.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, no, he didn't feel successful to me right fucking now.
Speaker C:You know, and it's funny too.
Speaker C:Like it's.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:It's a guy who is not doing.
Speaker C:Well and then even having her, you know, her response is, you're fucked.
Speaker C:It's good.
Speaker C:She didn't say screwed.
Speaker C:She's got to drop the F bomb too for it to work.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's really good.
Speaker A:I have a question.
Speaker A:What, what do the ratings, I mean does anyone really pay attention other than the people taking your ticket saying, oh, you're not old enough to go in.
Speaker A:I never pay attention to the ratings on the.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, well, so r rated.
Speaker C:You're 17 and below if you go to see an r rated movie.
Speaker C:17 below.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You got to be accompanied by an adult.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Now I don't how much of the enforce that I don't know.
Speaker A:Well, I.
Speaker A:The only one, the only one that we were ever questioned for was my mom and it was me and a friend.
Speaker A:We tried to take someone who was a lot younger to see Dirty Dancing and they would not let us in.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, we've, we're.
Speaker A:I was old enough, but she was not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, well we're so far from that.
Speaker A:And I'm like really?
Speaker C:Like, I think that.
Speaker C:But I mean, but they still push for PG13 movies because PG13 can reach a wider audience because you can, you can go and take your kids too.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:It's the parents who would, who would say, no, I'm not taking you to that's already theater or anybody else saying.
Speaker C:That was the whole people sneaking in.
Speaker C:You buy a ticket for PG13 movie and you go see an R rated movie as a kid or whatever.
Speaker A:This lady I used to work with, I've never seen the Saw movies, but I know how.
Speaker A:I assume I know how they are.
Speaker A:And she took her young kids to see that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So they let kids accompany by a parent.
Speaker C:That's all you need.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Now NC17 might be different.
Speaker C:I think you have to be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:No admittance under 17.
Speaker C:Yeah, no admittance under 17.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:And now like nowadays with the Internet and stuff and I don't know how old this site is, but there's one called Common Sense Media, and I really like it because it'll break it down like each movie and kind of.
Speaker C:And tell you kind of basically exactly what's in there.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker C:There's, you know, violence, drugs and not just that, but like, it'll talk about.
Speaker C:There's a sex scene.
Speaker C:It'll break down kind of what you actually see in the sex scene.
Speaker C:So you can decide if it's, you know, if it's a raunchy thing or, you know, a TV type sex scene where you see a, you know, side boob or something.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker A:I wonder what Saul is rated because I can't imagine are for sure.
Speaker A:I can't imagine taking.
Speaker A:I'm talking little kids.
Speaker C:Yeah, you know, I'm with you.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:Well, even back in the day, movies would get like.
Speaker B:I don't remember, just for.
Speaker B:I'm not sure this was one of.
Speaker B:But like, certain movies would be in danger of getting an X rating.
Speaker B:Not even pornographic, but just because of the level of violence and.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah, because certain things you have violence and obviously nudity.
Speaker C:And then, you know, F bombs will.
Speaker C:Can push you over into the.
Speaker C:The next rating.
Speaker D:Yes, this one definitely did.
Speaker B:What was Big Lebowski rated?
Speaker C:Do we know it's R?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because there's like.
Speaker B:If you watch the Blu Ray, there's an F bomb counter.
Speaker B:And I literally think it's like 175 or so.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:It's some outrageous number because if you set the feature on Blu Ray, every time somebody says the F bomb, it dings.
Speaker B:And so the whole movie you hear this little bell, ding, ding.
Speaker B:And literally there's a scene where it's going off like 10 times.
Speaker B:Like in the.
Speaker B:My fucking wife told me to fucking take care of her dog.
Speaker B:I fucking go talk herself.
Speaker B:So there's this ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker B:You know, in one scene, but just like 175 of them.
Speaker A:Well, and I have to watch it if I have my Kindle out with it on if I'm in public.
Speaker A:That whole scene where they're in Malibu, I'm like, oh, I forgot about that scene.
Speaker A:You know, jumping on the trampoline.
Speaker A:And then he's drawing.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So yeah, I have to go.
Speaker B:Whoops.
Speaker C:The biggest erogenous zone, dude.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like women, man.
Speaker C:Treats objects like women.
Speaker B:I can't wait.
Speaker B:Of course you do, dude.
Speaker D:Yeah, that one's gonna be.
Speaker D:We're gonna review that.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I love that movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:Neil is not doing well in this world without his guide.
Speaker B:The confrontation with the rent a car lady.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:Neil thinks that this is the way you get things done.
Speaker B:If I intimidate her, she's gonna give me what I want.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:And he can't get out of his own way.
Speaker B:This is a.
Speaker B:A cage of his own making, like you said.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he threw it away his.
Speaker B:In his haste.
Speaker B:He threw away his.
Speaker B:His agreement instead of like, okay, all right, I'll need this because I'm going to show them that.
Speaker B:No, he doesn't.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:Rage.
Speaker B:Rage.
Speaker C:Once you get a refund without his receipt.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, who does that?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:My credit card report.
Speaker D:That's what most people say.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I mean, he's so upset that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He can't.
Speaker C:Doesn't even follow the own rule.
Speaker C:The rules of the.
Speaker C:You know, the world of this order.
Speaker C:Even tries to intimidate the next guy, the.
Speaker C:The car rental guy, when he goes down there to the booth, you know.
Speaker B:Oh, he gets punched in the face.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he was like, yeah.
Speaker C:If I want.
Speaker C:Because the guy makes a joke or something, he's like, if I wanted a joke, I would follow you to the bathroom and watch you take a leap.
Speaker C:And then the guy gets mad and hits him in the face.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He thinks callousness is the coin of this realm and is thrown back into the arms of Del Griffith, who has a car.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:So, you know, it's very.
Speaker C:The cars.
Speaker C:It's like a mini version of the Griswold.
Speaker B:That's what she said.
Speaker B:She was like, it's totally what it is.
Speaker C:It's the same green and the paneling and.
Speaker C:Wonderful.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:All right, so here's.
Speaker B:Here's where I have my midpoint and I have it as a false victory.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:It's a false victory because they're in the car and they're making miles.
Speaker B:They got a car now they're trucking.
Speaker B:Everything seems to be, we're making miles, we'll be home soon kind of thing, you know?
Speaker B:And everything seems to finally be moving along.
Speaker B:What could happen now they have a car, so they're not subject to.
Speaker B:I mean, they're on their own now.
Speaker C:That means you gotta have a false defeat later, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:All is lost.
Speaker B:I have my.
Speaker B:All losses of false defeat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Can I be honest?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:This is actually where I started enjoying the movie.
Speaker C:Dang.
Speaker D:When it gets extra fun and games.
Speaker C:Like when they get to.
Speaker C:Because Seaborn's finally getting beat up, and you're like, yeah, about time, this trick.
Speaker A:Because it became funny to me when they were in the car and the things that happen at the other room.
Speaker A:This is when it.
Speaker A:I started enjoying the movie.
Speaker C:Him talking in a high voice because his nuts got squashed.
Speaker A:I don't remember that.
Speaker A:I don't remember that.
Speaker C:Well, fine.
Speaker C:Because even his concern, Steve Martin got punched out because it's his own damn fault.
Speaker C:And Dale almost hits him.
Speaker C:Then he gets out, he's like, where's your compassion, man?
Speaker C:We got an injured man here.
Speaker C:And he's fine.
Speaker C:I'll move the car.
Speaker C:But you're helping him up.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, I do remember.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Catboy has the midpoint as a false victory at the diner when Steve finally gets rid of Dell, which maybe that's.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I guess.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a false victory for Steve, maybe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I guess I could see him.
Speaker B:Because he thinks he's finally free of.
Speaker C:Before he gets on the train to.
Speaker B:Raise cash for food, Steve suggests they split up and be stories cross.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:When they decided to go their own separate way.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:His airport rental car.
Speaker B:His hat is blown away.
Speaker B:He's being stripped, bit by bit of his dignity.
Speaker B:Steve confronts.
Speaker C:I can see that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because if that's the false victory, then, as you know, he thinks he finally gets away from Dale.
Speaker C:And then bad guys close in.
Speaker C:Bam.
Speaker C:No fucking car, you know.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I guess I can go with that.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Because that's, you know, I mean, that's.
Speaker C:Talk about bad guys close in, you know.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But then I guess I'll be curious.
Speaker B:How are the bad guys closing in if they're in the car driving?
Speaker B:And everything seems to be fine.
Speaker C:Because he's still stuck with this guy if his victory, if everything he thinks he wants is to be away from him.
Speaker C:Now he's stuck in a small ass car with him.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:He's immediately messing with the seats and all that shit.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So bad guys closed in would be what I have as a midpoint false victory, then he's back with Dale.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I guess I could see that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I had it as a false defeat with no rental car, but because that's.
Speaker C:Because I have a false victory of him getting away from Dale later on.
Speaker C:So hitting all around the same point.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I guess I'll give that to Catboy.
Speaker B:That make that that.
Speaker B:I guess that could make sense.
Speaker D:Dell with that damn seat.
Speaker D:Oh, he was putting it through its paces sideways.
Speaker D:There was ways that thing was going.
Speaker D:I didn't think car seats could go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dell is driving, I guess this night.
Speaker B:Okay, so here is where I think the theme is stated.
Speaker B:Remember what I said about go with the flow?
Speaker B:Is this agreed?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Be open and gracious in the face of all that life throws at you.
Speaker C:And then they don't ever see that on screen.
Speaker C:He's referencing something that happened off screen in their adventure.
Speaker C:Correct.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:He says, like the twig on the shoulders of a mighty stream.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's how you should be.
Speaker B:And I think that's the thing that's.
Speaker C:Never set up to that before that point.
Speaker B:Like the theme stated, I think is late.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I think that's it.
Speaker C:No, I agree.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:I wish he had done it earlier.
Speaker C:But again, if Hughes was following Catboy, he would have done it earlier.
Speaker C:He would have had it on page five.
Speaker C:Like you're supposed to.
Speaker C:But Hughes predates Snyder.
Speaker B:Sure, but.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, but still works.
Speaker C:And there's a million ways it would.
Speaker B:Have to be a reason for him to say, oh, for sure.
Speaker B:You need to be.
Speaker C:Have to be organic the story.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think it's way organic here.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And he shows us that anyways and just states it later.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think so Dell having trouble.
Speaker B:The seat discussion of what bothers Dell about Neil.
Speaker B:The seat broken when he's.
Speaker C:You fiddle with your balls too much.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then Neil's.
Speaker B:I guess finally sleeping.
Speaker B:Dale is.
Speaker B:Does the mess around.
Speaker C:He's singing that song balls too much.
Speaker C:You know what would make me happy?
Speaker C:An extra set of fingers.
Speaker C:Another pair of testicles.
Speaker D:I think we've all known a person that does that.
Speaker D:I don't want to name names, but I think we've.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I don't know if y' all know who I'm talking about, but I have been in the accompaniment of somebody who would just.
Speaker D:Just be.
Speaker C:Get in there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I'm like, dude, come on.
Speaker D:You're in public.
Speaker B:You make powders for that, right?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:Get some looser underwear.
Speaker B:Something Dell does the best.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So then I have the bad guys close in.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:What did you had the bad guys closed in as being back with.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Back with Dale going the wrong way.
Speaker C:The car fire.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Catboy has that as a drive home.
Speaker B:The insults go both ways.
Speaker B:John Listy's fault.
Speaker B:John knows who he is.
Speaker B:Steve does not.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, no, no.
Speaker C:That's brilliant.
Speaker C:I do not.
Speaker C:You fiddle with your balls too much.
Speaker C:I do not like again him.
Speaker C:I'm comfortable knowing who he is and then Steve not even recognizing that he plays with his own balls too much.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And would admit it if he did.
Speaker B:He's not with who he is.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he probably does brilliant.
Speaker D:You know, because he's so uptight.
Speaker D:Maybe.
Speaker D:Maybe he has tight underwear.
Speaker B:That's what I'm sure of it.
Speaker C:You know, it's brilliant.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker B:So Catboy has bad guys clothes in where you do with being reunited and them going at each other.
Speaker B:His all is lost is they almost get into a wreck when.
Speaker B:When they head the wrong way on the highway.
Speaker C:There's no mess around.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's the whiff of death.
Speaker B:Okay, so that makes sense.
Speaker B:Right before.
Speaker C:That's brilliant.
Speaker C:Like ideas of value.
Speaker C:Like trying to take your coat off.
Speaker C:I don't know if you've ever done that.
Speaker C:I feel like maybe everybody's attempted that.
Speaker C:Or maybe you just stupid people like me.
Speaker C:I've tried it once and it's.
Speaker C:It's difficult.
Speaker C:Thank God it didn't end up like Dale.
Speaker C:Like trying to take your coat off while you're driving.
Speaker C:You don't want to slow down and.
Speaker C:And pull over and do the sensible thing.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker C:But have getting both hands stuck.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:That's brilliant.
Speaker A:When they're going the wrong way.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You mentioned that.
Speaker A:Did John Hughes do Home Alone 2?
Speaker A:Did we ever find that out?
Speaker C:He wrote.
Speaker D:Yeah, the skeleton thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now, I didn't know if that was a John Hughes thing or if they were just kind of trying to.
Speaker D:I think it's the.
Speaker D:I think it's a John Hughes thing because.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It'll be a reference to another movie.
Speaker C:I'm confused about what we're talking about.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:So when.
Speaker D:When they're zipping through the two trucks.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:You see, you see in Home Alone.
Speaker C:2, he does the same thing.
Speaker D:He gets electrocuted and turns into a skeleton.
Speaker C:Oh, nice.
Speaker A:So I didn't know if they were just kind of hats off to John.
Speaker B:Driving the car that looks like the vacation car.
Speaker B:So there is.
Speaker B:Yeah, a couple of them.
Speaker A:But I didn't know if John Hughes had done Home Alone 2 or if it was just kind of a nod to him.
Speaker C:I don't know if he wrote the second one, but he wrote the first one.
Speaker A:Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker D:Definitely related.
Speaker D:Whether or not I don't remember.
Speaker C:And he wrote Vacation, so.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:He has the bad guys closed in, is getting back with Dell.
Speaker B:I have the cigarette and distracted driving on the wrong side of the highway.
Speaker B:Stuff on the highway.
Speaker B:Car scraped up.
Speaker B:We can buff it out or whatever.
Speaker B:And then all is lost.
Speaker D:Catch is on fire.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So my all is lost is a false defeat.
Speaker B:The car is on fire.
Speaker B:Neil's card wound up in Dell's wallet.
Speaker B:The payoff from the hotel.
Speaker B:Another accusation of stealing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he's like.
Speaker C:You find he's.
Speaker C:Steve Martin starts laughing, and at first you think maybe he's starting to loosen up a little bit and just embrace it.
Speaker C:And then it's.
Speaker C:He's laughing because you finally did it to yourself.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:You know, you.
Speaker C:There's no way to return this car now that you rented or whatever.
Speaker C:Then he starts dying.
Speaker C:Wait a minute.
Speaker C:How did you rent a car?
Speaker C:Then you realize he used his.
Speaker C:His freaking lights or his credit card, which he put.
Speaker C:I put back in your wallet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is in the car that's on fire.
Speaker C:So he's still.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker D:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker D:They get back in the car and start driving.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:His all is lost.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:He tripped over the trunk again at that point when they're cleaning it up.
Speaker C:Because when he slams on the brakes, the trunk flies off at one point, so the trunk does not get burned, but he.
Speaker C:He trips over it again.
Speaker C:So again, I just feel like it's this visual, you know, cue of him tripping over what's right in front of him.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:All is lost.
Speaker B:That's Catboys also.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So now I'm back on track with Catboy at this point.
Speaker B:But so.
Speaker B:So just differing as what's the.
Speaker C:Always lost.
Speaker B:He has it as the.
Speaker B:Yeah, the.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Until he learns it's his credit card.
Speaker B:We used to rent it.
Speaker B:The fire is the all slot.
Speaker B:Dark Knight is soul hating each other.
Speaker B:They check into the El Rancho.
Speaker B:Steve takes the room and leaves John out.
Speaker B:Nicole.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:So Paul's victory getting away from him then, or.
Speaker C:That's not what he has.
Speaker C:That's what I had.
Speaker B:All is lost.
Speaker B:I was a false.
Speaker B:He doesn't.
Speaker B:So if he has a midpoint, what was his midpoint?
Speaker B:He has it as a false victory.
Speaker B:So here it's a.
Speaker B:All's lost.
Speaker C:He's gonna have false defeat.
Speaker B:The false defeat.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The card and the car.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Accident.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I had it as a.
Speaker C:As a false ridge.
Speaker C:Because he finally gets away from Dale.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Finally gets a room.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And to Me.
Speaker C:It's a big moment when he decides to.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:Rose is like.
Speaker C:He can't sleep, like.
Speaker C:And then Dale's out there talking to himself.
Speaker C:Well, you finally did it, you know, you finally.
Speaker C:You know, he's talking.
Speaker C:He's talking to his wife, but he's.
Speaker C:He shares the room with him.
Speaker C:The nail at the beginning is not sharing shit.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:And he doesn't at first, like, he.
Speaker C:Has this debate about it.
Speaker C:About sharing.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So to me, I thought that was his break into three, and then the rest was finale, you know, and I debated about where the break into three was.
Speaker C:I thought maybe it was a little bit later.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:They bond over drinks, like, so.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he's finally.
Speaker C:To me, as part of his breaking in three.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:He's finally, like, embraced change and he's.
Speaker C:He's, you know, they could have done that probably maybe the first night.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Bonded over drinks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And kind of let loose.
Speaker C:And he's.
Speaker C:He, you know, this is the first time he's done that.
Speaker B:Well, the, The.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Drinks were what set off his rant, the beer.
Speaker B:And now drinks are.
Speaker B:So it's almost like a booking now.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker C:Yeah, they had to be.
Speaker C:They could have had those and take the edge off and not been an instead.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Now they're the.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Where are you going?
Speaker B:Jamaica, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's very, very clever.
Speaker C:Stacey thinks of cool runnings every time.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It might even be a reference, you know.
Speaker C:Well, but it's before.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:This was.
Speaker B:He went on to play.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:Ratings was 93, I think.
Speaker C:But anyhow, it's still pretty cool.
Speaker B:He has a break into three as having learned from each other and bonded as a team.
Speaker B:The two men escape the final part of their trip.
Speaker B:Blue moon of Kentucky through the car.
Speaker B:Though the car is impounded.
Speaker B:They make the last leg of the trick in the back of a truck.
Speaker C:Well, even when they take off because they didn't dig the car out, like, he puts it in reverse, smashes through the hotel.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And again, to me, this shows that Steve has changed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he's already broken a three because he's.
Speaker C:He doesn't wig out.
Speaker B:He just gets in there and go.
Speaker C:And like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They're a team now.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think this is all the finale, the race, the storming of the castles.
Speaker C:Now they're a team trying to get home.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:My dark night of the soul.
Speaker B:I guess similar.
Speaker B:Neil gets two best, but Dell's out in the cold.
Speaker B:Neil can't get home, blah, blah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So now they're racing home as a team together and they get pulled over the cup.
Speaker C:Do you think this vehicle is safe for safer travel?
Speaker C:Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker B:The radio still works.
Speaker D:The officer, the speedometers.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So I couldn't really have know without any degree of accuracy how fast I'm actually.
Speaker B:The radio still works though.
Speaker B:Oddly enough, Dell does say some things in his little.
Speaker B:As he's sitting out in the cold, he thinks he's the biggest pain in the nut in the world.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Finally acknowledging that maybe he's not as oblivious as we.
Speaker C:As we thought.
Speaker B:He says something to.
Speaker B:He's talking to his wife.
Speaker B:I wish you were here with me right now.
Speaker B:But that's not going to happen.
Speaker B:So we're, we're given some hints.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Suspense or whatever.
Speaker B:Neil wonders how he got hooked up with Dell, takes pity and welcomes him in.
Speaker B:So I think at this, like you said, at this point, he's learned his lesson.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They share drinks.
Speaker B:Dell's secret is kept.
Speaker B:They share a laugh in their adventures.
Speaker B:Break into three.
Speaker B:Out of the parking lot and into the third act.
Speaker B:They're a team now.
Speaker B:Pulled over.
Speaker B:We just talked about that.
Speaker B:Do you feel this vehicle is safe?
Speaker B:Highway travel?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Apparently the Michael McKeon, he's the state trooper.
Speaker D:Apparently that was a lot longer.
Speaker D:They shot more stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then in the final edit they were like, okay, we gotta pair this down.
Speaker B:Michael McKeon is one.
Speaker B:You probably just turn the camera on like all.
Speaker C:Let him go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because I think the original cut of this movie was like three and a half hours.
Speaker C:All the, the ad libs and stuff.
Speaker C:Oh my gosh, talk about having to make a decision.
Speaker C:Like look at all that and decide which one's funny.
Speaker C:Like be so hard to.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:With.
Speaker B:With Steve Martin and, and, and John Candy and even Michael.
Speaker B:All these guys.
Speaker B:You just let the camera roll.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If you're going to shoot a comedy, you show up with extra, extra film.
Speaker B:Oh my gosh.
Speaker B:Especially these hits.
Speaker C:You're going to capture it in the moment and then cut it later.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:That's what you want to do.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:Storm in the castle like you said.
Speaker B:The Hightower surprise.
Speaker B:The car must be impounded and they ride back in the big rig.
Speaker B:And this cat boy is on board with this.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker C:Oh my gosh, it's us Ashkenagging or whatever.
Speaker C:I have no idea what that is, but I guess it should have been.
Speaker D:Meat in the cab of the Truck.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's cheese.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:It says cheese nutmeat.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:Cheese.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's a refrigerator truck.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:Now Dell gets Neil home at the commuter train station.
Speaker B:And Neil actually says, at this point, I'm a little wiser, too.
Speaker B:And I thought that.
Speaker B:I said, you know, at that point, that could be right on the nose.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:The way it's written and delivered, I think it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker C:You.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Neil has learned the lessons his mentor was teaching him.
Speaker B:I have written down the Dig deep down.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So Neil is riding home, and in a series of flashbacks, he starts to put it together about Dell.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And this is where I've been home in years.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C:What was the other one?
Speaker B:I didn't write them down.
Speaker C:Oh, the.
Speaker C:The wives.
Speaker C:To the wives, you know, but at the very least, you've got a woman you love to go home to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he just kind of makes a face.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Had he been less focused on himself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He might have put it together earlier.
Speaker C:Yep, for sure.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker B:Dig deep down, Neil puts the execution of the new plan.
Speaker B:So if you storm the castle, you got the high tower.
Speaker B:He digs deep.
Speaker B:He puts the new plan together.
Speaker B:He goes back for Del and discovers.
Speaker C:You know, Del's your beats or Catboy's beats.
Speaker B:These are mine.
Speaker B:Okay, we can look at that in a second.
Speaker C:I just didn't know which one you were reading from.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Because we're headed toward the final.
Speaker B:She goes back for Del, takes a moon for Thanksgiving.
Speaker B:And in the final image, like, this is one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema.
Speaker B:Neil's wiser, going with the flow.
Speaker B:Like, so he takes Del home.
Speaker B:The teacher has become the master.
Speaker B:I say, if you're talking about the writer's journey, the return with the elixir, this is his.
Speaker B:He's literally returning home, and he's got the elixir, which is his lessons learned.
Speaker B:And I thought, like, these are so poignant, Right?
Speaker B:So he says, because his wife is held up as a very sweet lady and very welcoming, nothing like Neil.
Speaker B:She welcomes Del in immediately.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Doesn't question like Neil.
Speaker B:She says, hello, Mr.
Speaker B:Griffith.
Speaker B:You know, just respectful and right.
Speaker B:And then this is all delivery and it's all acting.
Speaker B:And Del says, and I'm delaying because it's.
Speaker B:To me, it's like just in two words or three words.
Speaker B:He sells it, and it means everything.
Speaker B:He says, hello, Mrs.
Speaker B:Page.
Speaker B:You know, so their exchange, right.
Speaker B:There at this point, you know, I'm bawling like a baby right now.
Speaker B:Dell happy for where.
Speaker B:Dell is now happy for where the.
Speaker B:I wrote this.
Speaker B:It is not in the movie, but for where the shoulders of the mighty stream have delivered him.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So he's been on the stream the same as Neil and has his ups and downs, but he is.
Speaker B:He seems happy at this point, like, legitimately, that in the middle, I'm at.
Speaker C:Home in years, like, he hasn't been to a home and now he's being welcomed into this guy's home.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:That in the midst of all that life throws at you, be true to yourself and be kind.
Speaker B:Do not allow it to make you callous.
Speaker B:Del could have become bitter at the death of his wife, jealous and sad at others who still had their beloved, but he does not.
Speaker B:People whose loved ones die often can become bitter and angry at the world, at God and everybody.
Speaker B:Del has not done that.
Speaker B:And he sees Neil hugging and kissing his wife and shows real joy at that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know, so anyway, so, yeah, he could be.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker C:It could have been bitter resentment.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:And even just a little thing.
Speaker C:I just thought about a second ago, we were.
Speaker C:I was thinking about the closing image in my head.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I'm pretty sure it's always Dale leading, carrying his trunk.
Speaker C:I'm pretty confident.
Speaker C:And Steve, whenever he comes and whenever.
Speaker C:The few times he helps carry the trunk, he's coming from behind, picking up the back half.
Speaker C:At the end, it's reversed.
Speaker C:And Steve is leading with the trunk towards his house.
Speaker C:Now, granted, it could be because it's his house, but it's.
Speaker C:It's a visual of.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker C:What you said earlier about the, you know, student becoming the teacher.
Speaker C:And it's even Dale apprehensive and kind of.
Speaker C:I'll just stay a minute.
Speaker C:I'll just pop by and I'll just leave.
Speaker C:And like, you know, he's.
Speaker C:Now he's the nervous one.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Well, now.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Neil has spent a lot of time in Dell's world.
Speaker B:Del is being reintroduced back into a world that he once knew.
Speaker B:But this is now Neil's world.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Who is.
Speaker B:Who is going to be the master of it?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's Dale's return, too, you know, to the.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But now all of a sudden, this is probably the first time in the movie that Dell doesn't know what to do.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:And Neil does.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think carrying the case.
Speaker C:You know, it's it's visual representation of swooping, switching places.
Speaker D:That's a good.
Speaker D:That's a good point.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I had seen that there were extra again cut scenes.
Speaker D:It was a really long story.
Speaker D:But there was a subplot where Neil and his wife.
Speaker D:His wife thought Neil was having an affair.
Speaker C:That explains some of the.
Speaker C:Ignoring the phone call.
Speaker D:Ignoring the phone call.
Speaker D:And she was.
Speaker D:Because at the end my girlfriend yesterday was watching this movie.
Speaker D:Yesterday was like, man, it really seems like a bummer note.
Speaker D:Like when they come in, she seems like she's not happy to see him.
Speaker C:Stacey's made a comment about the ignoring the phone call.
Speaker C:She's like.
Speaker C:She's kind of being a.
Speaker C:About this.
Speaker C:Like it's not his fault that everything's being delayed.
Speaker C:And I'm like, yeah, that's true.
Speaker C:She does seem kind of cold.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Apparently she thought he was having an affair and was using this as a time to.
Speaker C:Which ties into love your wife and like your work or whatever.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You know, and being gone all the time.
Speaker C:I've been away too much from.
Speaker C:From house.
Speaker C:You know, from the home or whatever.
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:I don't remember exact line.
Speaker C:But Neil says.
Speaker C:Makes comment about being.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Being away too much.
Speaker C:And then I've been home in years.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I wonder if those scenes weren't cut for like tonal reasons.
Speaker B:Like it totally.
Speaker B:How would this movie have changed if there was that and that angst or animosity towards him by.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It might have been too much like we're talking about earlier.
Speaker C:Like he's already like a bit of an asshole and doing all.
Speaker C:If there.
Speaker C:If there's any doub doubt that he could be cheating on his wife.
Speaker C:I mean, I guess we.
Speaker C:We know that.
Speaker C:That he's with Dale the whole time.
Speaker C:But it could push it over to, well, this guy and then you lose sympathy for him.
Speaker D:It definitely makes it feel like home is Neil's oasis.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Outside of his home, he is this ball of anxiety.
Speaker D:But when he's home, he's.
Speaker D:He's calm and collected.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:And if she outside of home is calm and collected, but at home he doesn't know what to do.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If she suspects like they ruins that oasis image.
Speaker C:I think if you have her being unhappy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:She did just seem kind of cold.
Speaker C:But maybe there was enough to.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I.
Speaker B:I never.
Speaker B:I never really thought that she was ever being cold or.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I got.
Speaker B:Never even occurred you.
Speaker B:So I don't.
Speaker B:Maybe because I was too.
Speaker B:You know, I knew how this was heading.
Speaker B:I knew what yeah.
Speaker C:What happened?
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I think when she's on the phone, she's like, what's happening?
Speaker C:Like, it just seemed weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, what's happening is I'm.
Speaker C:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:It seems kind of weird.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, I think this has got to be one of the most poignant and awesome endings of any.
Speaker B:The last 10 minutes of this movie.
Speaker B:Make it.
Speaker B:I love the whole movie, but it just.
Speaker B:Man, I tell you, it nails it for me.
Speaker C:Unless you go with James's theory.
Speaker D:Yeah, I mean, I guess I can.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:My theory is that Del's wife is in the trunk.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:So now Neil has just invited this killer into his, into his home, and.
Speaker D:He'S had Neil help him drag this body across the Midwest.
Speaker C:That's funny as hell.
Speaker C:That's so terrible.
Speaker C:But that's.
Speaker C:Again, I don't subscribe to it, but that's really entertaining.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:If you go back and, you know, watch the movie again.
Speaker C:Thinking about it.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, no, there's.
Speaker D:Is it like, wish you were with me right now?
Speaker C:Well, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker D:You're in the trunk in the back.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she's got it with him and.
Speaker D:You said, you know.
Speaker D:Yeah, but his wife died six years ago.
Speaker D:I was like, well, she'd be a hell of a lot lighter.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:That is true.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:She died eight years ago.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:But yeah, of course that's not a actual.
Speaker C:That's actually your theory or you read it somewhere?
Speaker D:I put it.
Speaker D:I pieced it together.
Speaker C:Oh, that's.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:So that's an original.
Speaker C:That's original.
Speaker C:That's, that's brilliant.
Speaker D:Is anything original?
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, we could start something here.
Speaker D:Now my mind just goes darts of dark places.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I thought maybe you'd read it somewhere.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, that's, that's brilliant.
Speaker B:All right, cool.
Speaker B:All right, well, that's plain.
Speaker B:Strains Pass Considered.
Speaker B:Recommended.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:100 recommend anything Hughes does.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:I, I, I am biased completely when it comes to Hughes.
Speaker B:I think he's brilliant.
Speaker B:But, yeah, absolutely recommend.
Speaker B:I think this movie hits on all levels, you know, I mean, and I just, I love it.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's one of those classic.
Speaker D:Thanks.
Speaker D:You know, there are no Thanksgiving movies.
Speaker D:It's weird.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:This is an excellent movie, just in general.
Speaker D:It's a good holiday movie.
Speaker D:It's a good buddy movie road movie.
Speaker D:I thought this rep reminds me of what was It.
Speaker D:Tommy Boy with Chris Farley and David Spade.
Speaker C:They said the same thing.
Speaker D:It's very, very similar to that.
Speaker D:But this has more heart.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, this is and thought so.
Speaker D:Totally recommend.
Speaker D:Great movie.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe they.
Speaker C:I'd have to look that up, I guess.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker C:Or I say look it up.
Speaker C:Give it some.
Speaker C:Some more thought.
Speaker C:Maybe, you know, maybe this and Tommy Boy are, you know, the same genre, the same movie, but it's where, like David Spade would be the Steve Martin character.
Speaker C:But in that one, the.
Speaker C:The Dale Griffith, John Candy, you know, Chris Farley, they're.
Speaker C:He's the main character.
Speaker C:So it's reversed.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's.
Speaker D:Odd Couple Road Trip.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, they'll A couple, I guess.
Speaker C:I do feel like this is the same movie as Due Date with Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker C:And Galifianakis.
Speaker C:And Galifianakis.
Speaker C:I feel like they're the same genre.
Speaker D:Never saw that.
Speaker C:That one's good.
Speaker C:They're both good.
Speaker C:I like this one better.
Speaker C:But yeah, they're both good.
Speaker C:Especially I guess the.
Speaker C:The Dale Griffith character, like John Kenny is more sympathetic and probably, you know, he's less weird than Zach Galifianakis.
Speaker C:But yeah, they're both good.
Speaker C:But it's the same movie.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:Yeah, the plot is the same, but.
Speaker B:But interesting.
Speaker C:Say that.
Speaker B:So, like, Hughes took like.
Speaker B:So these are archetypal characters, like Due Date or whatever.
Speaker B:Same movie, but.
Speaker B:But he swapped out different archetypes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So Galifianakis is the Dale Griffith character, but he's not the same archetype as Dale Griffith.
Speaker C:You know, Fair enough.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:As soon as you started saying that, one of my favorite movies is the In Laws with Peter Falk, not the remake or whatever.
Speaker B:I think that is a brilliant comedy.
Speaker B:I love that movie.
Speaker B:But it's a road trip.
Speaker B:Two guys.
Speaker B:It's the same story, except Neil is a dentist, Alan Arkin, and Dale Griffith is Peter Falk.
Speaker B:Who is this off the reservation insane CIA agent who has been disavowed and gotten poor Alan Arkin involved in this plot of his own making that is not sanctioned by the CIA.
Speaker B:And it is.
Speaker B:And they end up going down to Guadalajara or someplace in South America.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Poor Alan Arkin is just.
Speaker D:That sounds like a great movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's an older movie, but it is pure.
Speaker B:And it's the same movie.
Speaker B:Road Trip.
Speaker B:Two guys change.
Speaker B:But instead of, you know, the lovable Dell, it's a insane CIA agent versus a uptight dentist.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:So you.
Speaker B:You could.
Speaker B:And that's the.
Speaker B:So, like, I've read the Tools of Comedy by.
Speaker B:I can't remember his name now, but he.
Speaker B:He's a big consultant in Hollywood.
Speaker B:He does a lot, you know, for comedies and this kind of thing.
Speaker B:And they'll talk about your archetypes and what, the ancient Greeks, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:They would tell the same story almost every night.
Speaker B:They would just swap out the archetypes.
Speaker B:So instead of, you know, the.
Speaker B:The tyrant and the.
Speaker B:And the trickster, they would.
Speaker B:Next night, they would just swap out, say, the Virgin and the.
Speaker B:The lech.
Speaker B:Same story, but you swap out those characters, and now all of a sudden the movements are different, you know, and that's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's why maybe there are only 10 genres.
Speaker B:But you.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You tell this story with two different characters.
Speaker B:It's the same story, but you're gonna have different dynamics and different.
Speaker C:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker D:Did we ever say what this movie is?
Speaker D:Buddy comedy.
Speaker B:It's only.
Speaker C:It's a Buddy Love.
Speaker B:He has it as a Golden Fleece.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, really?
Speaker B:Ooh, I think so.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:My gut instinct said Buddy Love, but.
Speaker B:Because it's a road trip.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, because you got to have a journey, right?
Speaker C:A trip, and you got to have the.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's got a.
Speaker B:Planes, trans automobiles, Ocean's Eleven and Maria Full of Grace are the ones he.
Speaker D:Those are Golden Fleece.
Speaker C:Yeah, Golden Fleeces.
Speaker C:So a team, a trip, and then the prize at the end.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, I believe that's.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:A road, a team and a prize.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker D:Okay, well, what is.
Speaker C:What's Buddy Love in there?
Speaker C:Like, you mind find it real quick?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, the requirements for buddy Love.
Speaker B:An incomplete hero, a counterpart.
Speaker B:An incomplete hero, a counterpart and a complication.
Speaker B:So an incomplete hero who is missing something physical, ethical, or spiritual.
Speaker B:A counterpart who makes the completion come about and a complication, be it a misunderstanding, personal or ethical, or the prudish disapproval of society.
Speaker B:So I'm up to.
Speaker B:I'm on board.
Speaker C:The first two really fit.
Speaker C:The complication.
Speaker C:Maybe not.
Speaker C:I mean, there's lots of.
Speaker C:With the flight.
Speaker C:I mean, the being stuck together.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Maybe not.
Speaker C:That's where it becomes a road trip, which is.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah, I was thinking Buddy Love was my instinct, and I was.
Speaker C:But I was trying to.
Speaker C:I was curious to see where I was off, you know, and, like, if I was way off and.
Speaker C:Yeah, I guess those first two kind of fit.
Speaker C:But that third one, maybe not.
Speaker B:So what movies does he have as Buddy Love?
Speaker C:Lethal Weapons one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's got the Black Stallion.
Speaker C:Anybody cop movie, like you were saying, falls under the Buddy Love stuff.
Speaker B:He's got Lethal Weapon, When Harry Met Sally, Titanic and Brokeback.
Speaker B:Melt.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because any goods is love.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So any two characters, it doesn't have to be like, yeah, Buddy, the weapon.
Speaker B:They don't go on a road trip.
Speaker B:It's them interacting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So the complications.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I guess the road trip makes it.
Speaker C:Has to make it a Golden Fleece.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Because your team can be 2 or 11, right, right, right.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker D:Sherry.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I hope this makes sense because I'm trying to think how I want to put this into words.
Speaker A:When I first started watching it, what came to mind was Lucy and Ethel.
Speaker A:While I like Lucy and Ethel stories, they just.
Speaker A:They make me so nervous.
Speaker A:And this, the beginning of the movie, just made me nervous of all the things that kept going wrong and everything.
Speaker B:She's very much a new.
Speaker B:Like, her archetype is very much a Neil.
Speaker A:And that's what I was going to say when I was younger, maybe I would have enjoyed it, enjoyed the movie more.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the older I get, the more I can relate to him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:This is not good.
Speaker C:You know, do that, though, around the table and find out, you know.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Shower scene.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:When y' all were talking about.
Speaker C:I was like the water running out of the mess when you open the mess.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker D:The mess.
Speaker D:The Cracker Jackson bed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker C:When he rolls over in the morning and there's.
Speaker C:They're all stuck to his pajamas.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Wearing pajamas, too is funny.
Speaker A:I just would have been.
Speaker A:I can't deal with you.
Speaker A:I just can't deal with you.
Speaker A:But like I said, I think it may have even started with the woman at the car rental counter.
Speaker A:I was just laughing so hard at Steve Martin.
Speaker A:I do love Steve Martin.
Speaker A:But it took me until about that point to actually start enjoying the movie.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:Because the rest was too stressful.
Speaker A:The rest was too stressful.
Speaker A:But then when they rented the car and then when it was.
Speaker A:It finally caught on fire.
Speaker A:I'm sitting there just.
Speaker A:I'm just laughing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then the end was really good.
Speaker A:I mean, the end was so good.
Speaker B:Sherry definitely thinks things ought to be a certain way.
Speaker D:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:It definitely.
Speaker D:It tightens the screws and it releases itself there at the end.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Of.
Speaker D:We've all been in that situation, and it gets to the point where things get so bad, you Might as well just laugh and say, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker A:Maybe it's just like.
Speaker C:Okay, yeah, right.
Speaker D:And when a car catches on fire and you're like, these guys are still going, you might as well laugh.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, even Steve Martin at that point is exactly, you know, reaches.
Speaker C:So who are you?
Speaker C:Are you Neil or are you Dale?
Speaker B:Okay, so, like, when we're driving, like, ask Sherry about the parking situation next door.
Speaker B:There's a bunch of people live next door and they have a bunch of cars.
Speaker B:And sometimes they park in front of our house.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You would think that they have, you know, they're invading.
Speaker B:They run a dog fighting ring or something.
Speaker B:Well, no.
Speaker A:What's worse is when they park in the grass.
Speaker B:Okay, sure.
Speaker B:But it's on their property.
Speaker A:It's on their property, but it's in the grass.
Speaker B:But, you know, so it doesn't bother you.
Speaker C:So you think you're definitely more easy.
Speaker B:Go.
Speaker B:She's upset.
Speaker B:Oh, they're parking in front of her house.
Speaker B:I said, do we park there?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Do we need to park there?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Do we have people coming over?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Well, who cares, right?
Speaker B:We're driving and, you know, on the highway, people drive like idiots.
Speaker B:And so it's just an accepted thing.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:They're gonna drive like idiots.
Speaker B:You know, if I.
Speaker B:If I go a little bit below the speed limit, they all go past me and I don't have to deal with it, right?
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Sherry's neck and neck with them and bitching at him the whole time.
Speaker B:I'm like, sherry, I don't.
Speaker B:Every time we get on the road, it's the same.
Speaker B:I'm like, sherry, you drove before.
Speaker B:You're gonna drive tomorrow.
Speaker B:It's gonna be the same.
Speaker B:So at this point, they're doing it wrong.
Speaker A:They doing it wrong.
Speaker A:I flashed my lights this morning.
Speaker A:Someone who ran the stop sign.
Speaker B:Mistake.
Speaker D:That's just my life philosophy is expectations.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Have the expectations that people are going to be stupid.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker D:And go remove yourself.
Speaker B:If it's 70, I go 65.
Speaker D:In the slow lane.
Speaker D:In the right hand.
Speaker B:Let them go.
Speaker C:Both of you, Phil and James are Dale.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Sherry's a Neil.
Speaker D:I would say I'm 85.
Speaker D:Dale.
Speaker C:Sure things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:100.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I'm definitely more Neo.
Speaker C:Like, I'd love to be Dale, but I'm Neil.
Speaker B:Oh, I know you were Neil.
Speaker B:When we.
Speaker B:When we first looked at those and I shoved that blue card down the aisle.
Speaker D:Angry Chris.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I thought I was doing you a favor.
Speaker B:Bringing him in.
Speaker B:I just shove it down the aisle.
Speaker B:And I was.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker C:And I guess.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:I was annoyed that you.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:You didn't put them in the right spot.
Speaker B:No, I just.
Speaker B:I know I didn't.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:I don't remember what it was.
Speaker C:I think they weren't the right numbers.
Speaker C:But just like we're talking about with this whole movie, like, if I would just slow the down and appreciate that someone else brought some carts in that I didn't have to go get.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:Well be a lot happier.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker C:Instead I'm bitching about because the carts are goddamn crooked or whatever.
Speaker D:Because of expectations.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And my expectations are high.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I still struggle with that.
Speaker B:And on some level, that's good.
Speaker B:You should have a high standard.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker D:High expectation for yourself.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:But other people.
Speaker D:And other people keep your expectation.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And all that's right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I want other people to.
Speaker C:Like Sherry said you're doing it wrong.
Speaker C:Like, i100 was on board with her.
Speaker C:Said that because she's absolutely right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's a way to drive, and you're doing it wrong.
Speaker B:They are doing it wrong.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:100.
Speaker B:But what can I do about.
Speaker C:Gonna do you right?
Speaker B:It's gonna happen tomorrow, and it's gonna happen in five minutes, you know, for sure.
Speaker C:And trying to fix that is.
Speaker C:Is asinine.
Speaker C:Like, I always go back to, like, I was a team leader Lowe's.
Speaker C:And was frustrated with way things were going.
Speaker C:And somebody told me, you know what, Chris?
Speaker C:If you don't like it, become a manager and fix it.
Speaker C:All right, I will.
Speaker C:I was naive enough to think I could do right.
Speaker D:That's.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:They sucker you into that.
Speaker C:Yeah, they did.
Speaker C:Hook, line, and sinker.
Speaker C:I bought it, then realized, oh, wow, I'm the idiot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, yeah.
Speaker B:Every four years we vote thinking it's going to make a difference.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And you know, oh, my God, there's Republicans.
Speaker B:So we vote Democrats.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, there's Democrats that I'm very.
Speaker C:Dale like hadn't voted in years because I didn't like either one of them.
Speaker C:So whatever.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:Yeah, I know.
Speaker C:That's terrible things.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:Right now is as hot topic as it is.
Speaker C:But yeah, show me someone worth voting for and I'll vote.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We vote like it's going to fix something anyway.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Recommend.
Speaker B:Pass.
Speaker B:Consider.
Speaker A:Recommend.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure.
Speaker D:Nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So all around unanimous.
Speaker B:John Hughes, man.
Speaker B:He's the man.
Speaker C:Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I like these holiday episodes.
Speaker D:They're awesome.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker B:Be like Del.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Anything else?
Speaker D:Good.
Speaker B:We are out.
Speaker B:Man.
Speaker B:I tell you, it nails it for me.
Speaker C:Unless you go with James's theory.
Speaker D:Took a Xanax and I was out.
Speaker B:I have a note about that.
Speaker D:It's the odd couple on steroids.
Speaker C:He keeps tripping over what's right in.
Speaker D:Front of him because Neil has expectations.
Speaker B:Like put the camera on John and let him go.
Speaker D:That was that scene.
Speaker D:Is why Steve Martin took this.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:Neil thinks that this is the way you get things done.
Speaker A:This is actually where I started enjoying the movie.
Speaker D:Dell with that damn seat.
Speaker A:They make me so nervous.
Speaker A:But the older I get, the more I can relate to him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I can't deal with you.
Speaker A:I just can't deal with you.
Speaker B:All around unanimous John Hughes, man.
Speaker B:He's the man.
Speaker B:Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker B:Be like Doe.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker B:All right.
