The Truffle Shuffle, Beetlejuice, and Zombies
This podcast episode engages in a critical discourse surrounding the cinematic offerings of the "Beetlejuice" franchise, particularly focusing on the sequel that has recently emerged. Our deliberation reveals a consensus that the sequel, while possessing certain redeeming qualities, ultimately fails to capture the essence of its predecessor, leading to a sense of disappointment, especially among die-hard fans of the original film. We meticulously dissect various elements of the sequel, including character development and thematic execution, which, in our assessment, detracts from the overall narrative cohesion. Furthermore, we explore the evolving portrayal of iconic characters, examining how societal expectations may have influenced their depiction in contemporary cinema. As we navigate through our critiques, we offer insights into the implications of these cinematic choices, inviting our audience to reflect on the evolving landscape of film and its impact on viewer engagement.
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The essence of the podcast episode is an in-depth exploration of the film 'Beetlejuice,' particularly its sequel, where the speakers express a range of sentiments regarding the cinematic experience. The dialogue is initiated by Speaker C, who shares their appreciation for the sequel, noting that it exceeded their preconceived expectations. However, this admiration is counterbalanced by critical reflections on the transformation of the character Beetlejuice, who, according to Speaker A, has been rendered less menacing and more amiable than in the original film. This transformation raises pertinent questions about character evolution in sequels and how such changes resonate with audiences, particularly regarding their expectations of villainous characters in contemporary cinema.
As the discussion unfolds, the speakers also touch upon the context of their viewing experiences, examining the role of streaming services in making films more accessible. This aspect of the conversation provides a contemporary lens through which to understand the dynamics of film consumption, as the speakers reflect on their personal choices and the economic implications of accessing cinematic content. The varying opinions on the sequel versus the original 'Beetlejuice' serve to highlight the complexity of audience engagement with sequels, particularly how nostalgia and familiarity shape perceptions and expectations.
In summary, the podcast episode presents a multifaceted discussion on 'Beetlejuice,' focusing on themes of character development, audience expectations, and the contemporary landscape of film viewing. The diverse perspectives shared by the speakers enrich the conversation, encouraging listeners to critically engage with the films they watch. Through their dialogue, the episode underscores the intricate relationship between sequels and their predecessors, inviting a deeper contemplation of how cinematic narratives evolve over time and how they impact audience reception.
Takeaways:
- In our discussions, we analyzed the varying character developments across different movies, particularly in sequels.
- We expressed our disappointment regarding the characterization of Beetlejuice in the sequel compared to the original film's portrayal.
- The conversation highlighted how expectations for sequels can shape viewer experiences and perceptions of the films.
- We acknowledged the cleverness in addressing character backstories within sequels and how that adds depth to the narrative.
- Our discourse included reflections on the evolution of horror-comedy in films, particularly in the context of zombie movies.
- We emphasized the importance of character-driven narratives over mere plot mechanics in the genre of zombie films.
Transcript
Were you gonna talk about your thing or.
Speaker A:We're not gonna talk.
Speaker B:No thing.
Speaker C:Speaking of Truffle Shuffle, I have to say, I have to shout out to Emmy, she has a doormat.
Speaker C:And forgive me if I get it wrong, but it's a doormat that says something like, to enter, you have to do the Truffle Shuffle or something.
Speaker C:So it's really.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker C:But anyway.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:What I was gonna ask is, like, every time we meet, if there's a movie we've seen.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And if you want to discuss it for, like, five minutes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:You give your faster like.
Speaker C:And where.
Speaker D:Sometimes I'll go on Twitter and I'll say, you know, micro view.
Speaker D:And I'll just either say.
Speaker B:Non spoiler type of review.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:For instance, like, I finally saw Beetlejuice.
Speaker C:Beetlejuice.
Speaker B:What'd you think of that one?
Speaker C:Yeah, I. I liked it.
Speaker C:It was better than I thought it was going to be.
Speaker C:However, there was one scene that did not compare.
Speaker C:If that was their musical Zane the Wedding.
Speaker C:I did not like that they compared it to the dinner scene in the first one.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker C:You didn't see Beetlejuice.
Speaker C:But I can't remember where I watched it.
Speaker C:It was free.
Speaker C:It was, like, on Netflix or something.
Speaker A:You don't like.
Speaker A:You didn't like Beetlejuice?
Speaker D:I like the first one.
Speaker A:But you just weren't interested in the second?
Speaker D:No, I mean.
Speaker D:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker D:I guess not enough to watch it, because I haven't.
Speaker D:I don't really care.
Speaker C:So have y' all seen it, then?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think we paid for it at home.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker C:Well, it's free now on one of the streaming services, because I want.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it was on hbo.
Speaker B:Might be on Hulu.
Speaker B:What'd you think?
Speaker C:Maybe it was Hulu.
Speaker A:I was disappointed and I paid for it in the theater, unfortunately.
Speaker A:But I say, unfortunately, that's how I'm gonna go see most movies, I guess, if I can.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I was disappointed.
Speaker A:Granted, I'm not a huge Beetlejuice fan to begin with.
Speaker A:I like.
Speaker A:Like, I like Edward Scissorhands better than.
Speaker A:Than Beetlejuice Business.
Speaker D:Burton.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:And his movies are very hit or miss with me.
Speaker A:Like, some are really good.
Speaker A:Some are like, whoa, that's just too much.
Speaker D:But he always has a tone about his movies that I'm not really into.
Speaker A:Like, the right.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But I was disappointed.
Speaker A:There's parts I liked, but I guess I feel like Beetlejuice in the second one, he was Less scary and kind of night.
Speaker A:He was nicer than he was the first.
Speaker A:I was like, they toned him down for some reason, which.
Speaker A:Okay, I guess as you get older, you can get nicer.
Speaker A:But, like, he didn't do anything either when he, like, he wasn't driving the plot to me like it was everybody else.
Speaker A:And that kind of annoyed me.
Speaker D:Well, in the first one, back in the day, I mean, he was offensive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:And I guess with society, maybe they.
Speaker D:Can'T be offensive now.
Speaker A:I guess that was disappointing, but.
Speaker A:Because even in the previews, it led me to believe, like, he had him in the previous.
Speaker A:He's got him sitting down.
Speaker A:He's got winter writers character.
Speaker A:I can't remember name all of a sudden.
Speaker A:And then the.
Speaker B:Lydia.
Speaker A:Yeah, thank you, Lydia.
Speaker A:And then the.
Speaker A:The other person, and he's acting like he's their counselor, and he's like, all right, who wants to, you know, go first?
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I don't remember exactly how the scene goes, but I know he basically.
Speaker A:He opens up and all his guts, like, spill out.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he goes, see, I'm willing to do the work.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:So, like, that.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker A:That felt like the same vibe to me.
Speaker A:And I thought.
Speaker A:And that was kind of gross.
Speaker A:So I thought the preview, I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker A:He's going to be in here going, nice model Hong Kong.
Speaker A:And all that from the first one.
Speaker D:And, yeah, he was.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was like, toned down.
Speaker A:Beetlejuice.
Speaker A:Well, the cartoon from the 90s was probably, you know, he was probably more harsh in that than he was in this.
Speaker A:And it was just disappointing to me.
Speaker C:Well, what I did like, though, about it was that they actually had the same people.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That was cool.
Speaker A:And as much as they possibly could.
Speaker C:And how they.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:How they addressed the.
Speaker C:The father who had died, you know, that was very clever.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Agree with that.
Speaker A:That was good.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:He was attacked by a shark.
Speaker B:I. I remember.
Speaker A:So he didn't have a head.
Speaker A:So he's just walking around.
Speaker C:I like the Soul Train.
Speaker A:I wish they put more.
Speaker A:As much effort they put into getting around that issue as they did in some of the other.
Speaker D:Yeah, sure.
Speaker B:I remember thinking when it was over, I was glad I didn't pay for this at the theater.
Speaker C:Well, and.
Speaker C:And I don't want, you know, if we do this, I didn't want any spoilers since it is a fairly new movie, but there's a big twist that I. I did not see coming.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:If we're talking about the Same one.
Speaker A:Same.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, that was well done because I didn't see that coming.
Speaker C:No, I didn't.
Speaker C:I didn't see that.
Speaker C:But anyway, I.
Speaker C:It was better than I thought from people who had told me they had seen it already.
Speaker C:Maybe that's why I liked it better than I thought I would.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If that makes sense, I would recommend watching the first Beetlejuice again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Instead of watching Beetlejuice.
Speaker B:Beetlejuice.
Speaker B:Watch Beetlejuice and be.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think if you're a big Beetlejuice fan, I think you have to check out the sequel for sure.
Speaker B:But it's not bad.
Speaker A:If you can take it or leave it, then, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, Philip, that's up to you if you want to watch it or not.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:What would you say?
Speaker B:Would you say recommend pass?
Speaker B:Consider for Beetlejuice.
Speaker B:Beetlejuice.
Speaker B:I would say wait till it's in the discount bin.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, I waited till it was free.
Speaker B:It was free.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:If it's free.
Speaker A:I feel like if you, like, said your Beetlejuice fan, then maybe hard to recommend.
Speaker A:Yeah, hard to pass.
Speaker A:Maybe recommend.
Speaker A:But, like, I don't like.
Speaker A:So I'm not a big beetle.
Speaker A:Just family.
Speaker A:Watch it anyways.
Speaker A:But that's because I guess if you.
Speaker C:Haven'T seen the first one, know that you'd want to see this.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:What is going on?
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:That one's kind of tricky.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Overall, I guess it'd probably be a pass, but like I said, if you're a Beetlejuice fan or just Die Hard Tim Burton fan, you got to check it out.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love some of his stuff.
Speaker B:Like Sleepy Hollow is probably one of my favorite of his.
Speaker A:Yeah, that one.
Speaker D:He do Mars Attacks.
Speaker D:I like Mars Attacks.
Speaker D:That's probably the only one.
Speaker D:I watch it repeatedly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm not allowed to watch Mars Attacks more than once or twi.
Speaker B:My wife will.
Speaker C:I. I saw.
Speaker C:I saw a video of.
Speaker C:Of one of those, like, ComicCon, and someone had one of those outfits.
Speaker C:Walker.
Speaker C:Oh, my God, that mov.
Speaker C:All right, well, is there another movie anybody.
Speaker D:I. I watched.
Speaker D:Watched 28 days later and Days Later.
Speaker D:Yeah, the first one.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Gotcha.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's three.
Speaker A:And you'd never seen it before.
Speaker D:I have.
Speaker A:I own it, rewatched it.
Speaker A:Gotcha.
Speaker D:Because I remember getting ready one of, like, the first movies where they had wasn't necessarily Undead.
Speaker D:It was Rage Virus and they were fast.
Speaker D:Anyway, So I know 28 years later is coming out, and so I thought Well, I watched 28 Days and maybe 28 Weeks.
Speaker D:I haven't watched 28 Weeks yet, but.
Speaker C:Oh, God, there's.
Speaker D:To me, three.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:This is the third one coming out.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:To me, it didn't hold up like I.
Speaker D:It was okay, but I watched it again, and it's like, okay, zombie, zombie, zombies.
Speaker D:And then a hard right turn into these guys wanting women, you know, I'm saying, And okay, well, I guess you got to do something in Zombieland.
Speaker D:But to me, it just all of a sudden, that became the threat, not the zombies, you know?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:Anyway.
Speaker D:Plus, yeah, it was good.
Speaker D:I like it still.
Speaker D:But it didn't hold up in my memory as well as I saw it when I thought I saw it the first time.
Speaker B:So that's the review so far of this newest one.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:28 years later.
Speaker B:Is zombies good?
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker B:Hard right turn.
Speaker B:What the hell?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's, you know, non spoiler reviews on Twitter.
Speaker B:That's what I'm seeing is this third act is what the hell.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's not out yet.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker D:I've seen reviews.
Speaker D:I haven't read them yet.
Speaker A:I feel like it came out this weekend.
Speaker A:I might be wrong.
Speaker D:Rotten Tomatoes had reviews.
Speaker A:If it's out.
Speaker A:It just came out.
Speaker B:We're recording this at the end of June, so.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:For reference.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:Okay, so I love zombie movies.
Speaker D:Even bad zombie movies.
Speaker D:I'll watch.
Speaker D:But that's.
Speaker D:That's the problem, I think sometimes you run into.
Speaker D:With zombie movies, okay, you've got zombies and you think that's the threat, and then that's good for a couple of good fun and games.
Speaker D:But what do you.
Speaker D:Do you just constantly have zombie attacks?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:So to me, I've always approached a good zombie movie or even if I'm writing a story, I focus on the characters who happen to be in Zombieland, you know?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:So that the threat is always there.
Speaker D:But that's.
Speaker D:It's almost crazy to say in a zombie story, the zombies are not the primary focus.
Speaker D:That's the world.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:And so it was always easier for me to have characters that are going through something who happen to be in Zombieland, and then the zombies will interject from time to time.
Speaker A:So you make it.
Speaker A:Earlier, I felt like y' all were saying, you know, making the hard rights, like, negative.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:They sounded negative to me.
Speaker A:Like you were.
Speaker A:Maybe it's the direction of, like, whatever that hard.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Is.
Speaker A:That can be a lot of different things.
Speaker A:But like, you.
Speaker A:Like now what you're saying is to make it sounds like the zombies aren't enough.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because you.
Speaker A:Because that can get just like explosion, explosion, explosion, action movie.
Speaker A:It can get.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:So you need more.
Speaker A:And to your point, if it's characters you care about and you got these, you know, in depth characters and you got this bad guy that's doing some nefarious stuff for whatever reason.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:In Zombieland.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Then that, that's inherently more interesting.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:Because.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker D:And 28 days later, okay.
Speaker D:They're struggling against the zombies.
Speaker D:Okay, fine.
Speaker D:They hear about the survival place that's.
Speaker D:That's a safe haven, and then they go there.
Speaker D:And then it turns out that the, they just.
Speaker D:The people there just want to lure women.
Speaker D:There's no.
Speaker D:So that has nothing to do with who these characters are necessarily.
Speaker D:Like, they don't have a.
Speaker D:They have a goal to get to a safe haven, but then they get there and then there's a whole nother goal to survive these guys.
Speaker D:Not even the zombies anymore.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:Like there's no story goal that takes place in Zombieland.
Speaker D:They're surviving zombies.
Speaker D:They get there now they got to survive the bad guys.
Speaker D:And to me, that was some of the problem with Walking Dead.
Speaker D:Like it's the bad guy of the season, you know?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker D:And it got, in my opinion, it got progressively more ridiculous when once the guy with the lions or tigers came out, I was like, okay, I'm done.
Speaker D:I didn't even watch that season.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was right about the time I gave up.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I was like, okay, now zombies aren't enough.
Speaker D:So you gotta have a guy who has lions on chains and my God.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think he was an actor.
Speaker B:Zookeeper, something.
Speaker D:Yeah, because.
Speaker D:Because that was after I bailed on it when they killed Glenn.
Speaker D:But then I thought, well, I'm a zombie fan.
Speaker D:I need to go back.
Speaker D:Okay, I'm over it.
Speaker D:Let's go.
Speaker D:I saw the guy.
Speaker D:No, I'm out.
Speaker A:And it's show still on.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know it's got a bunch of spin offs now, but.
Speaker A:So the original story is.
Speaker A:Is done, but things are in there like a Daryl spin off.
Speaker A:And then there's one with.
Speaker A:Was it Maggie and Negan?
Speaker D:They go to New York and I was, I was very tempted to watch that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:But okay, here's Maggie, which.
Speaker D:This is a betrayal to the character.
Speaker A:And everything to be with Negan.
Speaker D:To be with me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:What world is this?
Speaker B:Okay, well, it's in the zombie apocalypse.
Speaker D:Okay, well, but there's no world.
Speaker D:There's no world where someone kills your wife and now you're hanging out with them.
Speaker D:No world where that happens.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:Ever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:That is not forgivable.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah.
Speaker A:John Wick wouldn't be cool in that world.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:What are you doing?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:So they got ridiculous because the zombies weren't enough and they.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker A:I feel like there's some zombie movies.
Speaker A:Granted, they're not whole series.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You got to have way more legs for series, obviously, but like zombie, y' all keep me honest.
Speaker A:But Zombieland, right.
Speaker A:There was the girls playing tricks and all that stuff, but it was kind of light hearted.
Speaker A:They weren't really.
Speaker A:The zombies were the bad guys in Zombie.
Speaker A:I remember the second one maybe, but the first one they were right.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's other movies like that where the zombies are the main threat and stay the main threat the whole time and it work.
Speaker D:Yeah, but they're.
Speaker A:You don't need any right turns.
Speaker A:You don't need any.
Speaker A:So it's just interesting.
Speaker A:I'm not saying right turns are bad, just.
Speaker D:Well, yeah, but, but they.
Speaker D:Yeah, but they also had the.
Speaker D:Some neat features like the rules and people meeting.
Speaker D:But once they meet up.
Speaker A:Well, because it's a clever zombie movie.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's not just zombies eating people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You gotta have.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker D:The goal is for them to find a new family.
Speaker D:Because at the end he even talks about, you know, the, the people you find or become your family or something like that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like you always say, like what, what happens in the story and then what is it about?
Speaker A:It's about them finding a family.
Speaker D:It's about them finding a family and it happens to be in zombie.
Speaker D:That's why it works.
Speaker D:And I think the Walking Dead started getting driven by money because at some point the characters grow and.
Speaker D:Okay, move into a different place and maybe if you want to take them from there to a different place, okay, fine.
Speaker D:But you can't just have them struggle, struggle, struggle for season after season because it's all.
Speaker D:It.
Speaker D:I don't know, it becomes ridiculous.
Speaker D:You have to constantly up the ridiculousness.
Speaker D:And when the guy with the lions, oh my God, what is this?
Speaker D:So I checked out.
Speaker D:I mean, you know, and I, I love zombies and, and Zombieland.
Speaker D:Like the season one.
Speaker D:I think if it ended after that, I'd probably been fine, you know, Rick and right after and all that.
Speaker D:I can't remember how season one ended, but season one or two, it should have been done.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:One.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I didn't see much of it.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker C:Well, do you plan to see this new movie coming out?
Speaker D:I. I probably won't see it in the theater.
Speaker D:Maybe I will, but I can't imagine.
Speaker C:I'm not.
Speaker C:I'm not going with you, you know.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:Anyway, so as far as 28 days later, I could.
Speaker D:I. I would have given it a recommend, but now it's a consider.
Speaker D:It has dropped to a consider as opposed to.
Speaker C:I don't remember it.
Speaker C:I'm sure I saw, but.
Speaker C:So I don't remember.
Speaker B:Well, this.
Speaker B:It's got a hell of a fan base.
Speaker B:So if anybody's out there that is trying to.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Know that we're wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Speak up about it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because I remember seeing it the first time and thinking it was amazing.
Speaker D:And then this time I'm like, yeah, maybe the first half is.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:Wait a minute.
Speaker C:Is this the one?
Speaker C:Are they in a mall?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:It takes place in England.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:And Murphy.
Speaker B:Cillian Murphy.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Super skinny.
Speaker C:Did they go to an island?
Speaker D:No, that's okay.
Speaker D:What you're thinking of is.
Speaker D:Is.
Speaker D:I think it's Day of the Dead remake.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I don't know if set.
Speaker D:Which is actually a very good movie.
Speaker C:Walk through the room with you watching some of these movies and I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know all of them.
Speaker D:There was a.
Speaker D:There was a zombie movie.
Speaker D:There was.
Speaker D:I think there's two versions.
Speaker D:There's an American version and an Oriental.
Speaker D:Alone.
Speaker D:I think it's hashtag alone or hashtag.
Speaker D:It's about a guy.
Speaker D:I've seen both versions and they're both good.
Speaker D:A guy in a zombie apocalypse and he basically trapped in his apartment and he is alone.
Speaker D:And then there's.
Speaker D:He discovers there's a girl in the apartment across the quad from him and.
Speaker D:And they wind up meeting and trying to survive and help each other.
Speaker D:You know.
Speaker D:But it.
Speaker D:Again, it's focused on their characters.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:In Zombieland, you know.
Speaker D:And so the fun and games and everything are very cool.
Speaker A:But Warm Bodies was another one that I enjoyed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That Zombie.
Speaker A:But again, it's different because it's from the point of view of the zombie and.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Which is a neat.
Speaker A:And about human.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:If we ever do musicals.
Speaker D:My out is Anna, Anna versus the Apocalypse, which is a zombie musical.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker D:But it is good.
Speaker D:It's a good movie and the songs are actually fairly catchy.
Speaker C:I got a list.
Speaker B:We talked about that one before, I think.
Speaker B:And I. I had mentioned that I didn't realize it was a musical.
Speaker B:T was over halfway in the movie.
Speaker B:Why are they singing so damn much?
Speaker D:But it, but it's a good, it's a good story.
Speaker D:I, I, I like Anna versus the Apocalypse.
Speaker D:That's nicer than Fido is another one.
Speaker D:Fido is unique.
Speaker A:Comes out of my mouth.
Speaker A:James, anytime I try to know what I'm getting into with the musical.
Speaker A:Yeah, there was for somehow the, I think the last one was Wonka.
Speaker A:I don't know why.
Speaker A:There's a lot of singing in the original, but, yeah, Wonka went to the theaters like, yeah, that looks all right.
Speaker A:And didn't realize it was a musical.
Speaker A:Like, two minutes in, the guy's singing, I'm like, fuck me.
Speaker A:What did I get into?
Speaker A:I actually really liked it quite a bit.
Speaker B:That's why I didn't see the, the wizard of Oz movie.
Speaker B:The Wicked.
Speaker D:Yeah, I read the book and it was good.
Speaker D:We own the movie, but the story, we got it ch on like $4 or something.
Speaker D:Or maybe the audiobook.
Speaker D:No, the audiobook.
Speaker A:Talking about Wicked.
Speaker C:I was going to say I want to see it.
Speaker B:I haven't seen it, but it's a musical.
Speaker B:Like, it's a hardcore musical with Ariana Grande.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, they're.
Speaker B:My eardrums are going to be bl as I leave there.
Speaker A:Stacy and my stepmom, they watched Wicked while we watched the Postman, so.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I could hear it through the walls, you know, like.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that, that's what I mean.
Speaker B:Like, not Ariana Grande's voice.
Speaker B:I mean, like, they mix it to where it's so damn loud.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:You can tell it's musical.
Speaker D:Yeah, there are so there are only, like, two bonafide musicals I like.
Speaker D:One is called into the woods, which is actually extremely clever.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker D:And Les Mis.
Speaker D:I like the story and the music.
Speaker A:I haven't seen either one of those.
Speaker A:I know what you're talking about.
Speaker D:But, but as far as movies, there are only two, probably Anniversary Apocalypse and the Blues Brothers are the only musicals that I repeatedly watch and enjoy, I think.
Speaker B:Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:For me, Susan Sarandon is super hot in that movie.
Speaker C:What about the Sound of Music?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:All right, we got to get on to these movies.
Speaker C:All right, all right.
Speaker C:So next time, I guess, would it work out good if, like, we're reviewing their movies and then this week we did the, the short take of.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:What we just did what we talked.
Speaker C:So next time, if we pick the two movies Then they can discuss whatever.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker D:Maybe that's how you want to do it.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Unless you guys have a spot movie you want to do real quick, you know.
Speaker A:Well, what's the.
Speaker A:I guess you can see the time, right?
Speaker A:Like, how long did we.
Speaker D:22 minutes.
Speaker D:We've been talking, but that's for both of them.
Speaker A:The beginning.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that wasn't entirely the.
Speaker D:No, no, you're right.
Speaker A:Because I was just curious about, you know, how much time do we, you know, do we take up?
Speaker B:That's all.
Speaker A:But I do like it.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, that way.
Speaker D:Well, I'll cut.
Speaker D:I'll start the.
Speaker C:That way.
Speaker C:Can I finish?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:That way you can release an episode that we go into detail, and then the.
Speaker C:The off week.
Speaker D:Always do bonus.
Speaker C:Yeah, you do the bonus, and then the next week we do a movie.
Speaker C:We, you know.
Speaker C:You know, that way it's every week instead of.
Speaker D:Well, I've gone to once a month because it's been hard for us to get together.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:So we're good to August right now if we go once a month.
Speaker D:But I've put bonus stuff out there, too, so it's not completely a whole month before.
Speaker C:That way, I think it might.
Speaker C:Might draw someone's eye if we're discussing.
Speaker C:You're talking.
Speaker C:What is it, 28 years or whatever.
Speaker D:It's coming out.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:What's out anyway?
Speaker B:Yeah, lots of bonus stuff is always good.
Speaker B:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:All right, so we're ready to begin the actual.
Speaker D:Okay, so what movie are we going to do first?
Speaker B:I watched True Romance, the most recent.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:So that would be my vote.
Speaker D:True Romance first.
Speaker A:I'm good.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker D:Okay, good.
Speaker D:All right, we'll.
Speaker D:We'll start in a second.
Speaker D:I love both these movies.
Speaker D:One is structured, nearly perfect, and the other is not.
Speaker B:I wonder which one could be which.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker D:Anyway.
Speaker C:But you're going to do the intro.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:As a side note, that did not affect my enjoyment of the movie.
Speaker D:So while we focus heavy on structure, which I believe is very important.
Speaker D:What.
Speaker D:The movie that is not structured well does have a structure that it follows, but it is not organized.
Speaker D:It's not beat by beat.
Speaker D:Once it gets you into its structure, it stays there throughout the movie.
Speaker D:And so solid structure as we discuss it, I don't think is necessary for the enjoyment factor because I really love both these movies and we've watched them repeatedly and we'll watch them again, but one is tight and the other is loose, very loose in the way that we interpret these movies.
Speaker D:Anyway, we'll.
Speaker D:We can get into that, so stay.
Speaker B:Tuned to see which is which.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker D:All right.
Speaker D:Let's do the intro or whatever, and then Sherry will do her thing, and then we'll start.
Speaker D:Yeah.
