The Big Lebowski

Lebowski The Big Review

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[00:00:10] James: William Shatner know that he's not a captain of a starship?

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[00:00:17] Sherry: Yeah.

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[00:00:20] James: and say it, Phil. Say it loud and proud. Put it in the trailer.

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[00:00:30] Chris: Yeah, I like the, the setup of

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[00:00:38] James: That's a, that's an emotional swing for 24, 48

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[00:00:57] Sherry: I thought I would do something different again [00:01:00] and have quotes from only Coen brother movies.

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[00:01:06] Sherry: right. Okay. Since we're

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[00:01:14] Phil: you know.

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[00:01:16] Phil: Just funny looking.

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[00:01:21] Sherry: the interview. See, this is what I I have a feeling I'm gonna get up and do laundry while y'all talk about I'm cooperating here. Y'all gonna quote [00:01:30] the whole movie, aren't ya?

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[00:01:34] Chris: your concern, dude. I'm

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[00:01:37] James: any of them.

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[00:01:41] Sherry: All right. Okay.

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[00:01:42] James: Shut the fuck up, dude. You're

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[00:01:51] Sherry: any of the quotes I have. Anyway.

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[00:01:57] Sherry: that, was that

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[00:01:59] Phil: Like you're like a [00:02:00] child that wanders. Yeah.

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[00:02:02] James: watched it. No, no, no. I have the wall name, dude.

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[00:02:05] Sherry: yeah. Okay. Anyway. All right, here we go. You ready? I suppose. Let me finish and then you can tell me what it is. You can tell me the characters at it. I don't care. Okay. You ready? Yep. Okay. Oh, for Pete's sake.

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[00:02:26] Phil: yeah. We actually did that. You did? You

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[00:02:35] Phil: Yeah, that's Fargo, obviously. I told you. I wasn't listening to you, okay?

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[00:02:39] James: blocked us out. Yes, I had blocked you out. Okay, that's Fargo. Yeah,

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[00:02:50] James: Marge Gunderson, Marge

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[00:02:53] Sherry: thanks for. Okay. I didn't even hear

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[00:02:59] James: were slinging them [00:03:00] past you.

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[00:03:01] Phil: like the Coen brothers, I find them hit or miss. There's a lot of movies. I can't stand. And then there's some that I, you know, obviously. Well,

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[00:03:09] Chris: time, but

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[00:03:13] Sherry: Well, ain't this place a geographical oddity two weeks from everywhere?

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[00:03:22] Sherry: I love that. I'm a tough Dan man. , right? I don't,

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[00:03:31] Sherry: Okay. Yep. He's bonified. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Alright. He's bonafide. All right. Now. Now this one has so many quotes, but I think this is the, the one line, the first time I watched it, I laughed the hardest at, but it has so many quotes.

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[00:03:57] Chris: That's raising your zone. Yes.

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[00:04:00] Chris: Yeah, you're right. There's a million in there. It'd have been,

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[00:04:06] James: Thank you for putting that together. Anyway. I hear, I heard them all in my head. Oh yeah.

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[00:04:14] Sherry: Turns out. All right. Yeah.

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[00:04:17] Chris: Could you describe his pajamas? I don't know. They had Yoda's and shit on them. That's

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[00:04:22] Phil: I know my kid ain't.

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[00:04:26] Chris: sand.

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[00:04:29] James: Okay. That was a fun one. [00:04:30] Yeah, no, no. Three for three. Excellent. Yes.

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[00:04:43] Chris: Like they said it and then we say it like,

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[00:04:53] Sherry: Yeah. He's a little angels. I love him so much. What is it? He's a little angel sent straight down from heaven. Straight down from heaven. That's what I'm [00:05:00] saying to my cats.

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[00:05:01] Phil: God.

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[00:05:07] Phil: Yes. They yeah, they, they their dialogue and their ability to. Craft, offbeat, oddball characters is amazing and that this movie, Lebowski, is going to be no exception. Obviously, if you know, you know that.

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[00:05:26] James: All right. Let's get right into it.[00:05:30]

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[00:05:51] Phil: So to commemorate season three, We have this[00:06:00]

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[00:06:27] Phil: So this is right up there. But I want to know [00:06:30] the 7 percent that didn't get this. I mean, they, I don't understand. Anyway, this is

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[00:06:39] Phil: Okay. So not terrible. 80 something percent. 82 percent 82%. Yeah.

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[00:06:49] Phil: Yeah. And I think, I think the appeal, whether this is the best acted movie or even the best well written movie, you could probably make a case maybe yes or no. But this movie, [00:07:00] I think, makes people feel a certain way or puts them in a certain state of mind that is very appealing to the point of just craziness, you know, with the festivals and all and the amount of times people have seen it.

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[00:07:33] Phil: So this movie has medicinal properties. Calmer than you are, dude. Calmer than you are, dude. Is he waving the gun around? Okay. So 80 and 93, I think both of those are low. 93 I kind of get. There's going to be a certain audience that maybe doesn't get this. You know, but that's like their opinion man. So we'll non

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[00:07:53] James: I guess right your mother did

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[00:07:59] Phil: word. [00:08:00] Yes. Now what the fuck is she talking about? my fucking wife told me to fucking what if Uh, so if you don't like this movie or don't get it, okay, so there's a saying like, you know, I always, I always trust a dog that doesn't like a person, but I never trust a person that doesn't like a dog.

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[00:08:28] Phil: So [00:08:30] yeah, I, I think it ought to be a test of character. You know, to get into the circle, whatever, right now I'm hearing

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[00:08:41] Phil: That's right. Budget of 15 million is what I was able to find. And that seems, that seems right. Sorry, what was the budget?

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[00:09:12] James: This one came out after Fargo.

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[00:09:37] James: So VHS probably DVD. I did not see this in the nine

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[00:09:43] James: the theater. So man,

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[00:09:50] Chris: million. Domestically and I guess profits

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[00:09:57] Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The interview a

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[00:10:12] James: But the thing that stood out to him was how many times the guy had seen it. He goes, I've seen the big busky 10 times. He's like, Oh,

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[00:10:21] James: fucking, but you don't like, and this was back in the early two thousands or whatever, Steve Buscemi had no idea this movie was a hit. This one person loved it so much.[00:10:30]

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[00:10:40] Phil: it's thousand times. Oh gosh. I think it seeps into your consciousness. I really do. Yeah. Yeah. I got a couple of blurbs here. I didn't really spend too much time looking up blurbs.

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[00:11:16] Phil: Now we talked about Los Angeles underworld. I'm not sure I characterize it as that, but we'll talk about that when we get to the beats. Cause I think there's something going on here. The other one is Jeff, the dude Lebowski mistaken for a millionaire of the same name, seeks restitution for his [00:11:30] ruined rug and enlists his bowling buddies to help get it.

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[00:11:36] James: I mean, he goes to him for support,

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[00:11:53] Phil: Yeah. Where the fuck

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[00:12:02] Phil: Stay in the car, Tony, after he gets out. That's to get the money, right? Not the rug, right? Yeah,

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[00:12:10] Phil: Yeah, anyway. So these blurbs are, you know, whatever they are.

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[00:12:18] Phil: Now, this is interesting. That's fucking interesting, man. That's fucking interesting, man. Both these movies, Elf and Lebowski have, have official Catboy beat sheets [00:12:30] already out. And I haven't read the official, I got both of them, but I haven't read the official Catboy beat sheet for Elf.

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[00:12:51] Sherry: Did you remind everyone who

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[00:13:09] Chris: Series of books starting with Save the Cat. Yeah. Breaking Down Movies and Phil and I 15 Beats. Yeah. Yeah. 15 Beats. And Phil and I adhere to

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[00:13:19] Chris: Yes, yes, correct. James, one of many ways to break a story, but I think it's, it gets your mind

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[00:13:25] Phil: I it is, it's, it's shorthand. I mean, who

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[00:13:39] Phil: Right. Alright. Any other thoughts on, uh, the budget or opening weekend or general comments before we get into the beats? When was the first time you saw it, Billy?

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[00:13:55] Sherry: it. Yeah? I think that was the first time

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[00:14:10] Phil: No, I don't think so. I I know it

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[00:14:27] Phil: Yeah. I don't

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[00:14:32] James: fourth and fifth.

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[00:14:48] Phil: I am. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think we

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[00:14:52] Sherry: Cause for some reason it pops in my mind that my dad was there visiting and we watched it and I was like embarrassed. I was like, Oh my gosh, [00:15:00] he's going to think we're watching something really, really

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[00:15:11] Phil: Because it'll dinging every time It's up there. With Goodfellas, it's like 175 or something. If I remember correctly, 175 F-bombs. We're gonna have to find it. Yeah. Anyway, while he's looking that up, we will 280. Oh my God. I was 2 8, 0. Geez. I was way off. Yeah, because I put it all one time. Oh, this one says 2

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[00:15:30] Phil: Yeah, well, uh, Blu ray has an extra feature

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[00:15:35] Phil: it's all over the place. It becomes distracting because it dings. Ding, ding, ding. And so there are several scenes where, five or six dings in a row, especially, you know, when Walter brings his dog. You watch

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[00:15:46] Chris: No, it, it, it Running count at the bottom of the

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[00:15:54] James: Big Lebowski, as of on this list is number 29 with 260 [00:16:00] F bombs, Pulp Fiction with 265, Reservoir Dogs, 269. The number, well, number three is the one that I know that's not a documentary.

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[00:16:14] Phil: My God. That is insane. So what was number one?

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[00:16:36] James: Geez, F bombs. So you need to tell your mother it's not that bad. Right. You think that's bad? Watch this one. Yeah.

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[00:16:48] James: interested to see what y'all

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[00:16:56] Phil: Yes. He has it as a whydunit and I agree with that. Yeah. And there's [00:17:00] reasons, obviously, we'll get into that, but. Whydunit. Whydunit.

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[00:17:06] Phil: right? Yes, and One before, no? Maybe, maybe Dark City, cause that, I can't remember. I don't remember, but I think we

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[00:17:15] Chris: I think we talked about that one being a superhero. Yeah,

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[00:17:36] Phil: Okay. So as I said, Catboy has an official beat sheet and I've sort of made notes about where I agree and disagree. As we get into this, we'll talk about the opening image. I think, and I say that every time I see it, I think this movie has the, one of the greatest opening sequences. Yeah. In all of cinema.

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[00:18:15] Phil: Agreed. It

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[00:18:30] Chris: I'm like, yeah, this movie's going to be great. And I feel like I felt that way the first time I saw it. I knew I laughed at that. First scene, then I'm like, okay, this, this movie's going to be pretty

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[00:18:52] Phil: We could go through almost line for line and, you know, yeah,

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[00:19:03] Phil: Let me take another look. Yeah, see, that's total smart ass. And that's that's I can respect. All right. So, yeah, total smart

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[00:19:13] Chris: I'm getting his head dunked in the fucking toilet. That's not a first time. I have

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[00:19:20] Phil: Yeah. And fascists. I'm Ron Cooby. I'm with my lawyer. All right. So we'll go through this [00:19:30] and we'll look at Catboy's beat first, and then we'll see if we agree or disagree.

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[00:19:58] Phil: But I don't hold that [00:20:00] up as the opening image.

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[00:20:12] Phil: It's Slobowski. Right. And, and I think, I think if anything, that scene in Ralph's, you know, laziest man worldwide, where he's, you know, standing there in his robe, uh, sort of gives you a sense of the dude, but I think you get your first real sense of the dude in that opening bathroom [00:20:30] scene where, um, Wu and the other guy.

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[00:20:38] Chris: down to like a single, let's say, image, it's not him standing there, you know, trying the different milk, right? Or writing the check for 69 cents. Yeah. If you think it's more like him sitting on the toilet. Him getting his head, yeah, sitting on the toilet after the fact.

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[00:20:54] Phil: fucking milk and shit. Yeah, just, absolutely.

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[00:20:59] James: It was half and [00:21:00] half water, because it was the milk, half and half. Yeah,

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[00:21:08] James: is He didn't have a turd hanging off his nose, is what I mean.

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[00:21:12] Phil: No turds, it was just toilet water. Toilet seats up, man! See a ring on this finger? So, the I, I, you get the sense of The dude is very laid back. You get that from the, the, the, the, the jellies he's wearing and the robe and, you know, and he [00:21:30] is a laid back guy who is going to be very put upon by outside forces, you know, and all the dude wanted was his rug back, you know, he just wants the simple things to be left alone to live his life and he's going to be put upon throughout this movie.

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[00:21:47] James: been sitting there with pea stains on his road. Yeah. He had to go and listen to Walter. Yeah.

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[00:22:12] Sherry: I don't think it was. Yeah.

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[00:22:22] James: Jeff Dowd Jeff

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[00:22:31] Chris: is was the Coen

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[00:22:33] Phil: Yeah some degree, but he yeah by some indication Jeff Dowd is to put it nicely instantly more uptight than the actual dude You know?

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[00:22:53] Phil: Dow.

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[00:23:17] Phil: What

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[00:23:19] Phil: Anybody? Well, to remain. Now, does that mean physically or spiritually or, you know, cosmically, you know? I will not abide another

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[00:23:27] Phil: I was like, huh. I will not abide, I will [00:23:30] not put up with. Yeah, maybe the dude puts up, he has to put up with a lot of shit in this movie. Yeah,

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[00:23:39] James: Like, this is a flat arc, right?

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[00:23:47] Chris: like, oh, things happen around him. I don't feel like anyone changes in the movie, which is interesting.

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[00:23:52] James: And then, they subsequently have no meaning. Right. And they go nowhere. That's why I was so confused the first time I watched it, because things [00:24:00] happen and then nothing

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[00:24:10] Phil: Yeah. The lover of a nine toed woman. Changed. You know? Sure. Some people were changed physically. Yes. Fucked up her boot. Forever. All

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[00:24:21] Phil: The Coen brothers based. Okay. So it is not immediately obvious, but the Coen brothers is [00:24:30] their take on the film noir private detective genre. So when you are looking at the dude, you are looking at Humphrey Bogart playing Philip Marlowe quite literally.

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[00:24:44] James: Right. What did I say? It was instead of a trench coat, it was a house coat house coat or yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of a cigarette smoking, it was marijuana smoking. And instead of sticks or instead of bourbon, it was white

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[00:25:01] Phil: There, there are, there are numerous allusions to, to works from that genre, especially by Chandler. Philip Marlowe and some other things. And so, yes, they, they, they have taken the film noir of the 40s and put it in the contemporary time if the dude, if Philip Marlowe, the hard boiled prime detective, Was a burnout from Venice set up.

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[00:25:46] Phil: You know.

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[00:25:59] Phil: [00:26:00] 91. 91. Check number 2587. Yeah, he

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[00:26:12] Phil: Yes. Now. Yeah. So the stranger thinks that what we need to know about the dude is that he fits right in there, is time and place, and he is lazy. He's not a hero because what's a hero? Yeah. So this, this I think is, is. This opening sequence and leading right into the bathroom scene. The voiceover from The Stranger leads [00:26:30] us to the bathroom scene, still set up, but I'm calling the bathroom scene his opening image.

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[00:26:36] James: specific

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[00:26:53] Phil: Where's the money, Lebowski? Now, I think that is Where's the fucking money, shithead? Your wife owes money to Dracky [00:27:00] Cheehorn, so you owe money to Dracky Treehorn. I find this interesting, because this is bookended, and this is why I kind of peg this as the opening image, because it bookends nicely with what I think is the closing image.

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[00:27:22] James: this aggression will not say it's aggression against Afghanistan. You mean Coitus? You know, I

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[00:27:30] Phil: Where's the money Lebowski. The dude will say this to the big Lebowski, Lebowski upon barging into his house at the end of the movie. So people break into his house at the beginning of the movie, whereas the money Lebowski. Very end of the movie, when he has decided that his thinking about this case is way up too uptight and he figures it out, him and Walter go to the big Lebowski's house, break in, barge through the doors, much in a similar fashion, and demand where's the money Lebowski?

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[00:28:11] Phil: I'd love it. Yeah, great But Marlowe does not give an inch you can be punching him with an anvil and he's gonna be spitting Sarcasm right back at you. Yeah, and that's and so

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[00:28:39] James: Oh yeah. Okay. And then, so that makes total sense. So I read those books. Yes. So any fans out there that like Lebowski, if you want us to check that stuff out, older movies and the books.

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[00:29:00] Phil: It's down there somewhere. Let me take another look. Could have come out of the mouth of Philip Marlowe for sure. That's what I'm saying. As well as other quips in the scene. So yes, there is very much. The hard boiled detective who, who, even in the face of misfortune, is the ever present smartass. I've already talked about the whole bathroom scene probably being my top favorites.

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[00:29:32] James: watched that for Thanksgiving.

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[00:29:41] Phil: In the trunk. Yes. James has a theory and it's not. It's not pleasant. It's not unproven. Right. Ever thus to dead breeds, ever thus to tyrants is attributed to Brutus, one of Cedar's assassins.

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[00:30:10] James: at least I'm housebroken, man.

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[00:30:12] Phil: So there are lots of callbacks dialogue wise and everything in this movie.

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[00:30:27] Phil: there are a lot. He's right. He tends to repeat [00:30:30] things he's heard in his dialogue. All right.

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[00:30:40] James: yeah, his, it goes from him getting roughed up, then credits, and then they're bowling. Right, they're bowling,

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[00:30:52] James: And this was a valued,

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[00:31:01] Chris: we see bowl, right?

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[00:31:06] Chris: he's smoking a cigarette and he's holding a

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[00:31:12] Phil: Yeah, yeah. Dude never see the

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[00:31:16] Phil: is the only one. Yes. The other Geoffrey Hrabowski, the bowling alley scene. This scene I am attributing to set up and not the catalyst. We learn. Who the dude is in the next few scenes and we get more of the principal characters and the world in which the dude lives and moves [00:31:30] and seemingly fits right in.

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[00:31:36] James: And they're telling him, go see Go see the big Lebowski, the other Jeffrey Lebowski, the millionaire, and then he just goes. Yes.

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[00:31:50] Phil: Walter, I have, is subject to flights of aggressive fantasy. Donnie is subject to fugue states of bewilderment. He, he, he will I've seen it, I've [00:32:00] heard it said and I believe it like, when the dude and Walter or the dude Walter and Jesus Quintana are talking, if you just watch Donnie in the background, his whole body language and face.

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[00:32:14] James: Confused, bewilderment. Yes. All of it. Yes. I'm the walrus.

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[00:32:34] Phil: I don't, the dude himself, I think probably would have. Just put it alone. Left it alone. Put up with it. And yeah, he was just bitching about

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[00:32:41] James: Yeah. I was talking to, you know, you draw a line in the sand, dude, across this line. And so the dude, the line, I guess, it's looking

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[00:32:48] Phil: Yeah. He starts. Yeah. It starts. The wheels start turning about how he might get his rug back.

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[00:32:56] Phil: Yeah. Yes. All right. So cat boy [00:33:00] set up. After paying with a post dated 69 cent check for the carton of milk, the dude returns home only to be assaulted by a couple of thugs.

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[00:33:23] Phil: So I think the opening image may be the setup Okay, I agree with the definitely I do not [00:33:30] agree with the theme stated anything else for setup and everything I think we meet the characters we learn about the dude. Yeah,

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[00:33:43] James: I think so, yes. Yeah, all the way up

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[00:34:03] Phil: And I, I don't, I don't know How this is a theme or how it's reiterated throughout the movie. Catboy's theme was everthus to deadbeats. He says that's the theme. Huh? Yeah. Okay. Says one of the thugs to assault and berate him in his home. A variation of the classic Latin quote everthus to tyrants. This is our ironic theme, as most of his characters in the movie act similarly to the dude, from the false millionaire, to the scheming Germans, or to Maude, who wants a [00:34:30] son without commitment, all are like the dude, they want to achieve something for nothing in return.

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[00:34:52] Phil: Maud is wanting a kid, the, the big Lebowski wants to be free from Bunny and his own money, you know, you know, he [00:35:00] doesn't actually have any money, we let him earn one of the company's ones, but you know, so, you know, he presents himself a certain way but is not. The dude wants his rug back, Walter certainly wants the tournament and is willing to draw a firearm to do it, you know, over the line, you know, so everybody wants something and is vying to get it.

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[00:35:39] James: Lebowski.

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[00:35:43] Phil: in sentiment? Yeah. Ever thus, deadbeats will always have their carpet pissed on. Deadbeats will always. Ever thus

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[00:35:52] Phil: lot in life. Yes. But Catboy is saying ever thus to deadbeats, ever thus to tyrants, everybody wants something for nothing.

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[00:36:17] Phil: Will those Who are on the sides of abiding and who can't be worried about that shit, man, always wind up on the short end of the stick seems to be, to me, to be a better question. I like that, you know, I

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[00:36:35] Chris: Not everybody, not, not as a statement, but as a question, right? Cause the theme is supposed to be the argument, alright? Like, it could be a statement, but it's the argument for or against. Is this statement true? Yeah. I'm just a thought as we break it down, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think that was probably Because he you know, he the there's leeway on the the rules and where the beats hit.

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[00:37:15] Chris: Yeah. So if he's

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[00:37:22] Phil: All right. I'll go with that. If they're the same. Yeah. Yeah.

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[00:37:32] Phil: in various ways.

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[00:37:56] Phil: Right. Because the dude represents a laid back [00:38:00] mind your own business. Take it easy lifestyle, and he's going up against forces that are represented by money and greed and manipulation and power, which is exactly the counter revolution, counter culture in the 60s. So, Everthus to Deadbeats is the right, or the, the, the power, telling the, the left, or the, the flower children, or the hippies, or whatever you want to call them, we will always be in control, you know, and, and, of course, in, you know, 63, 64, we lost Kennedy, we lost Martin Luther, so, all, it can be almost [00:38:30] boiled down to, The right wing, left wing, the power versus the peace, love and understanding types, you know?

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[00:38:36] James: was definitely, you know, anti war message because it, it opens up right there with George Bush back in the time with our issue with the Iraqis and Saddam. Saddam, yeah. So yeah, it's the dude can, can this deadbeat hold over from the sixties still? Yes. We'll have today in the nineties where the same stuff's going

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[00:38:58] Phil: We'll, we'll. Will [00:39:00] those who are laid back and just want to abide be able to withstand, you know, the machinations of those in power, because he is played by both the Big Lebowski and Bunny by Maude, manipulated into doing their bidding, you know. They're the power. They're the money, but it turns out

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[00:39:23] James: Like they're all false.

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[00:40:00] Phil: Yes,

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[00:40:17] Chris: And then, all right, you know,

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[00:40:21] Chris: call him back, sir? And then get the rug. And then, you know, he

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[00:40:36] Phil: Anyway. They all want their

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[00:40:37] Phil: rug back. Yes. So, I'm still in the setup, over the line, furthering the setup we learn of the tournament and the importance of it to Walter, that he is divorced, has anger issues, and does not mind manipulating situations in his favor, whatever the means. Which is very much like, you know, Big Lebowski and, and Maude.

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[00:41:12] Phil: Anyway. Eh, fuck it. Fuck it, dude. Alright, so that's the setup, and I guess I'm coming around to the theme stated as Um, sort of, I'm 50 percent maybe closer to Catboy's theme stated set up, you know, I think maybe he gets it. I have here down that I disagree with the catalyst as well. [00:41:30] All right. So any other thoughts on the setup or any, anything we want to mention there?

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[00:41:38] Phil: The scene is the league game, Quintana and O'Brien next week. Uh, yes. At 2049, 20 minutes, 49 seconds, I wrote down, I have the catalyst. Yeah. Yeah. We meet Uli and the, and get the setup of the tow. Uli, Uli is a Nile, this is when we're meeting Bunny, which sounds to the dude, exhausting.

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[00:41:57] James: Yes. Just

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[00:42:03] James: Yeah, that's, that's a classic scene right there. Well, and then of course you're introduced to the green nail polish that pays off

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[00:42:17] Phil: Literally are absolutely,

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[00:42:21] Phil: well. Oh my God, he nailed it. Just

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[00:42:28] Phil: very [00:42:30] uptight, very

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[00:42:35] James: Yes. He said, yeah, that lead, that led me to believe one of my, you know, conspiracy theories, uh, totally unfounded, hardly any evidence for it. That Bran is the leader of the Nihilists. That he's infatuated with Bunny, that they wanted to run off together. The Big Lebowski had no idea about the embezzlement.

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[00:42:54] Phil: Yeah, well, cause he, you've got your story and I've got mine at the end.

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[00:43:11] Phil: Now, talking about the noir aspects and I can get into this later or whatever, but that scene where, cause he calls it the West Wing, I think, you know, he's in the West Wing when Brant leads the dude in to meet the big Lebowski and the big Lebowski is sitting in his wheelchair, blankets on, [00:43:30] sitting before a fire.

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[00:44:01] Phil: And so Marlo was sitting in there and he's sweating or whatever. But that, that scene is lifted almost to the scenery because Big Lebowski is sitting in front of fire in a wheelchair with blankets. The butler leads Philip Marlo in and Marlo comments on sort of the odd character of. Of that Butler, but Brandt is that Butler and Brandt.

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[00:44:42] Phil: Sure. Yeah, that is true. Yes. Very good. Yes. All right. Any other thoughts besides just quoting lines? Because that, that, that bunny, the scene, I could, we could go through that as well. Yeah. 2029. His reaction is awesome. What the uh, that's a bummer, man. Oh [00:45:00] yeah. Yeah. Mind if I do a J ? Yeah, dude. Yeah. What makes, what makes a man?

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[00:45:10] Chris: though that

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[00:45:11] James: other, maybe you're right. Just as soon as you said that. What makes a man, I think that was my. Question on theme stated was what does make a man, you know, that and a pair of testicles, but yes. So that would be my only question is not ever thus to [00:45:30] deadbeats, but what makes a man, well,

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[00:45:44] Phil: You know, so yes, I think these questions can man,

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[00:45:49] Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man also cry fucking it. All right. Yes. All right. So the catalyst I have a 2049 carpet. Do you think the [00:46:00] carpet pistons did this? So I think that's the scene where Brandt is. You might be in a position to confirm or disconfirm, you know, so he's hired essentially at that point by well, we just don't know, dude, we just don't know, dude, you know, so at that point, Marlowe was hired by the client.

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[00:46:23] James: that led me to it. Like he was never directly Well, I guess like Brent was the only one that talked to him about the hiring him part [00:46:30] But the big the big Lebowski handed him the the note, I guess the ransom note for bunny Yes.

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[00:46:45] Phil: Well, let's prove my own theory. Well, that's okay. Catboy has the catalyst before exiting the Big Lebowski's mansion. The dude sets the theme and the movie in motion by stealing a rug and meeting Bunny, the big [00:47:00] nymph, the biggest nymphomaniac wife.

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[00:47:11] Chris: remember what it is. There's another one that I, another movie that he's, that he's broke down that I feel like he doesn't. This scheme, he's come up with this, this scheme, this plan is brilliant, but I feel like he, there's times when he doesn't adhere to his own rules because the cows is something happening to the hero.

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[00:47:41] Chris: So him getting, breaking into his house and then pissed on his rug and stealing his rug or, , They're stealing or pissing on his rug, right? Like I thought that was a catalyst that something happens to him. But I was like, no, that's way too early. So yeah, I have it where, where you have it. Like him getting the call.

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[00:48:00] Phil: you're in a position. Cause they call them on the phone. If it's, if you're worried about the rug, trust me, it is not a problem. Brent tells him that on the phone because he wants them to come.

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[00:48:18] James: the end of it, like him and Wu,

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[00:48:29] Phil: The dude is hired, [00:48:30] the dude, the detective will be hired for a case, and then a second case will come up that's seemingly, is seemingly unrelated, but by the end of the movie they're joined. And that is, that, that's exactly what And I guess they hit on that with,

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[00:48:41] Phil: Yes.

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[00:48:51] Chris: debates take the case. Don't take the case. Yeah.

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[00:49:00] Phil: After Smokey's call about reporting Walter to the league office, Brant calls with a solicitation, not about the rug, which I assure you is not a problem. Marty comes for the rent and invites the dude to Crane Jackson's Fountain Street Theater on Tuesday. He says, tomorrow's already the 10th. And we talked about the check being postdated.

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[00:49:32] Phil: Stern wood is the guy's name in, in big sleep, covered in blanket, stir wound, secludes in a greenhouse because of stifling warmth, which he craves. Receives the note from a blackmailer in the, in the big sleep. It's blackmail and here it's kidnapping calls the room, the West wing. Now the dude debates consists of first agreeing with the exception of not believing a word of it, thinking ultimately that she kidnapped herself.

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[00:50:11] James: it on on the head like man.

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[00:50:21] Phil: yeah, and then she got the dude a beeper Nothing during league play, you know, yes, and and and like [00:50:30] black bunny seems to be Like, I don't even think she knowingly kidnapped herself. She just picked up and left for her friends, right?

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[00:50:37] James: Palm Springs. And they used it as an

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[00:50:55] James: uh, the bowling tournament.

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[00:50:57] Phil: you're not a golfer. Now, the other side of [00:51:00] this tape is Bob, presumably Bob Dylan, but I also thought maybe a Bob Marley, but what would be more, I'd imagine

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[00:51:12] Sherry: not wake up with the music playing something?

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[00:51:18] Sherry: playing there when they steal the rug. You're

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[00:51:23] Sherry: Yeah. It wasn't a flip, but it. I, I thought, well, Oh, maybe that's Bob singing that he woke up the man in [00:51:30] the

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[00:51:30] Phil: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right.

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[00:51:36] James: Yeah. So I thought that learning something new every time. There

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[00:51:54] Phil: Oh, don't say that. When they go to do the drop. Oh yeah,

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[00:52:01] Phil: hallway. Yes. Now see, this is, this doesn't make any sense to me either. Catboy has the debate as, Will there be consequences for the theft of the rug? Will Lebowski suffer any consequences?

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[00:52:33] Phil: Bunny has been kidnapped and the dude must deliver $1 million. Who has kidnapped her? This is the secret that will be unveiled. So I, I don't know. I think he's all over the map on that. Yeah.

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[00:52:50] Chris: mean, Catboy ought to have, cause the B story, B story

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[00:52:54] Phil: Cause that sounds

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[00:52:56] Phil: rug. Well, he has the B story as Maude and [00:53:00] the dude. It's not a traditional love story by any means, but, but fits well with the noir tradition as we will see that she is using him in various ways. I don't know that she's the B story cause in, in, in noir stories, Marlo never changes.

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[00:53:25] Chris: female who I feel like if you have flat arc, if you're telling a flat arc story, then the [00:53:30] rest of your, your characters are, are your B story, or the character that changes the most.

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[00:53:50] Chris: When a flat, when are you telling a flat arc story? Yes. No. Yeah. And I don't think that really necessarily applies to this because I don't think the people

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[00:54:09] Phil: The femme fatale is still the femme fatale, even at the end of the big sleep, when everything is revealed. Nobody has changed. Nobody sees the light and becomes a different character. Doesn't Catboy say some,

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[00:54:23] Phil: so. Maybe.

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[00:54:42] James: symbology is a word. Okay. It's, it's, it's a word that has a thing.

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[00:54:51] Phil: lot of symbolism in the big sleep that cast that Cal that cast Philip Marlowe as the night there, the night, [00:55:00] like K and I, a GT, the night of the round table, a, a. There is frequent references to him playing chess and him talking about the, the, the characters on the board that are the knight.

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[00:55:39] Phil: And he doesn't change, thank goodness. Philip Marlowe always remains true to his values, you know.

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[00:55:52] Chris: here it is right here. It says, in terms of the, of the detective, a Y Donut lead is unique.

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[00:56:08] Phil: will. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Now that is true. And then, and, and so you could argue quite solidly that this has changed the lives of a lot of people in terms of becoming doodists, become having festivals, , quoting the movie, adapting a lifestyle of doodness, you know, So yes, we, the audience have been changed, you know, at least 93 percent of them, the other 7%, [00:56:30] you know, whatever, but yes, change to the point of seeing value in the way the dude addresses issues, right?

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[00:56:38] Chris: other 7 percent

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[00:56:53] Phil: So that's. They're gonna kill that poor woman. They're gonna kill that poor woman. Okay, so any other thoughts on [00:57:00] that's essentially what I have is the first act. Mm hmm I don't know if Catboy actually did this, because I know he passed away, but I don't remember when. So, because, because the one for elf Catboy did not do is some other guy who is associated now with the industry that has become the Catboy books and this kind of thing.

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[00:57:21] Chris: was designed for screenwriting But you can do save the cat,

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[00:57:37] Phil: Ma does not change the dude. She is the femme fatale, the one that will use the dude for her own purposes. So again, I find some of these kind of weak. Anyway, any thoughts before we start looking at the break into two? So,

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[00:58:01] Chris: California dance.

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[00:58:19] Chris: Yeah.

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[00:58:23] Chris: walrus. Yeah, that's his breaking the two, but that's the way he's breaking, that's the way this character, this laid back guy, is breaking into two. Yeah, I'm gonna keep my, [00:58:30] keep my fucking 20 grand I don't have to do shit, man.

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[00:58:37] Phil: Right. You said it, man. Nobody fucks with it. Nobody fucks with the Jesus. I like that intro a lot.

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[00:58:45] Phil: Have y'all seen the Jesus rolls or whatever? Yes. I have not. Yeah. Corn brothers didn't do it. So I stayed away from it. It was a, it was a, a love letter to Jesus Quintana by Turturro, but it is, it has no.

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[00:59:02] James: What is it? What did Totoro say? Or back then when they were filming Lebowski, this was supposed to be a, you know, a quick two minute thing. And he was like, I'm going to go for it. I'm going to do the thing and the hairnet and the rings and the, and he really took his time with him filming it took every

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[00:59:21] Phil: Yeah. So credit to Totoro in the Lebowski, but I think he was so enamored of that character that. You know, he went [00:59:30] because Quintana in that movie doesn't seem anything to me. And I guess you wanted to give him, because it's years after the events of the Big Lebowski, I think. Yeah. Yeah. For Jesus role. Is he still a pederast?

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[01:00:01] James: But that, but that's not the point of the Big Lebowski.

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[01:00:11] Phil: No, absolutely. Licking his fucking bowling

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[01:00:14] Phil: it's, it's, it's great. In film noir, you move in the, the, the dark side, the underworld, and you meet these off the wall. And this is the world that the hardball detective moves in.

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[01:00:43] Phil: So anyway, yeah. So I think we're, we're, we're pegging it because I have the official break as in the life is in your hands, dude. The ringer cannot look empty. Picks up Walter at his place of business. Soap check security. Offering strength, security, and peace of mind, I think it says in the window. Mm hmm.

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[01:01:03] James: or whatever. Yeah. Sobchak security and it's SS and he's got all the military stuff on there. Sure, I

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[01:01:11] Chris: Walter's place until, like, you know, saw it a bunch before I realized that. So

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[01:01:20] Phil: guy, I guess?

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[01:01:23] James: So, yeah. Yeah. That would make sense why everybody confuses, or the, the other private eye confuses him [01:01:30] for it.

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[01:01:41] Phil: Walter is a locksmith. I have. 'cause it, you know, anyway, he, 'cause he has, I think there's a lock locksmith sign in the window or something, but I think he, yeah, he's, he says security, but I think he does locks and, and home security. Interesting. Yeah. All right, so that's so essentially [01:02:00] that's where I have the break I think it is when he gets the beeper and gets hired But they sort of drive into the second act when they get in, you know, okay It's as far as actual movement.

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[01:02:14] James: Bieber beeps he goes he picks up the suitcase and they give him directions in a cell phone Yes, then he goes and picks up Walter. Yes

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[01:02:29] Chris: the call. Yes. [01:02:30] Waking up, beepers going off, and he shows up.

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[01:02:32] Phil: in your hands, dude. Life is in your hands, dude. Yes. Yeah. And then, then we're into the, we cross the threshold. The funny games. Funny games. He's not doing this

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[01:02:41] Phil: around. Yes. Fucking amateurs. Dirty undies, dude. The whites. Funny games. This, this isn't a fucking game.

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[01:03:02] Phil: They're debating whether You know, Bunny even actually kidnapped herself, you know. Yeah,

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[01:03:23] Phil: Even

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[01:03:25] Phil: He didn't make any of that whole stuttering scene in the limo, that He had to say it exactly [01:03:30] like that. Even uh's.

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[01:03:42] Phil: there. Yes.

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[01:04:14] Phil: Then there's a new problem. The money is stolen along with the dude's car. He gets a call. The woman who stole his rug wants to see him. So these are the funny games this cat boy has listed them. There's a lot more, I think.

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[01:04:32] Phil: You have to listen to it because it's hard to hear in the background, but for like our, our home phone answer machine, we have magic deck, so it's digital or whatever. But I have the dude is not in just leave a message. It only takes a minute. Now it only takes a minute. You have to really listen for as he's sitting in there with the two cops, you know, and the credence business papers, you know, but in the background, you'd that message goes off and it's the dude is not in just leave a message after the beep and it'll only take a minute, you know, when your phone [01:05:00] rings.

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[01:05:03] James: too. Yeah. I had that. My phone's ringing, dude. Absolutely. Thank you,

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[01:05:17] Phil: The Whites, the drop is just past Simi Valley Road. Swiss fucking watch. Here's Walter. Here, Walter's answer is fuck it. I believe it's

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[01:05:27] Phil: Valley. Simi? Yeah, we've actually been there. I think I think [01:05:30] Reagan is buried

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[01:05:35] James: Alright, okay. So, Simi

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[01:05:38] Sherry: friends. Yes, I believe that's where Tom Selleck lives too, or his

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[01:05:51] Phil: Now, you know, that's what she does. Walter says she'll probably just wander on back herself. And that's exactly what happens. They,

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[01:05:59] Phil: [01:06:00] maybe this will happen. Yes. Again, the dude says, fuck it home, Donnie. Thank you, Donnie. You know, when the carbon is still, where are you going, dude?

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[01:06:17] James: time you're saying that I can hear the phone ringing in the back of my head.

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[01:06:26] Phil: Business or UN, I'm unemployed. Yeah, [01:06:30] yeah, you know

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[01:06:37] Phil: Oh, separate instances. I guess we can close the book on that one. Got all excited.

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[01:06:41] Phil: he's excited and the cop next to him was like Oh yeah, no.

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[01:06:51] James: yeah. Well, he has a little bowling

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[01:06:58] James: looking for one of those little [01:07:00] bowling pin pipes forever. I want to buy one just to have it.

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[01:07:05] Phil: The White Shermer Shabbos, the cop scene, Maude, Dick, Rod, Johnson, a man with, you know, without batting an eye, a man referred to as Dick or as Rod or as Johnson. Maude's appearance starts with the sound of a bowling ball racing down the lane. I didn't catch that probably. First several times I watched it, but you know, when he goes to see Maud and she's flying on her harness, it sounds very much like a bowling ball.

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[01:07:48] Phil: One of her lines of dialogue is, the story is ludicrous. Don't be fatuous. So it's almost self referential, I think, because this story of the Big Lebowski is ludicrous. Right. [01:08:00] You know, so a lot of self reference. You can imagine where it goes from there. She fixes the cable. Oh, I know that guy. The parlance of our times.

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[01:08:28] James: What did they say that [01:08:30] Maude was after Yoko Ono? Like she kind of played it after that artsy New York vibe, the Yoko Ono style with that haircut really proves that point. Yes, Lord. Now, uh,

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[01:08:50] Phil: Yeah, she says in Spanish, que ridiculoso or whatever it means how ridiculous what you know So she again another reference to I think this yeah [01:09:00] Lance Harrington Friend with a cleft asshole. What the fuck do you do, man? A Tale of Two Limos. I got a rash, man. Fuckin A. Fuck it, man. Can't be worried about that shit.

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[01:09:23] James: I think we watched that at movie night at one

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[01:09:34] Phil: Here it is a 1971 model driven by a private detective. In both movies the car appears to me to be blue, make of that what you will. But I think, why would, the Coens knew they had a blue Volkswagen in Blood Simple. And then to have, to have, what's his name? DeFeo. DeFeo. Whom he met as a result of the aforementioned mistaken identity by Treehorn's incompetent thugs.

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[01:10:21] James: ends.

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[01:10:28] Phil: made sense. Yeah, but, [01:10:30] but I wrote that in bold and I had to sit down and literally map out the interchange of, of, of meetings and relationships to figure out cause, cause there are lots of characters in there and they're all.

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[01:10:51] James: what he gets for getting involved.

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[01:11:03] Phil: So as much as big Lebowski will say about the dude that he has failed to achieve, and even in the most minor of whatever, I can't remember the exact line because you have failed to achieve even, and you know, I will visit. Any further violence visited upon Bunny, I will visit upon your head tenfold. Which I think is interesting because it's like one of the next scenes there's a match cut to the dude in the tub and I think you see his ten toes or whatever.

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[01:11:43] Phil: I think I have, yeah,

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[01:12:05] James: Yeah. But I don't think it's a voiceover. It's an off screen. Talking to the Walter. Yeah. Yeah, it's

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[01:12:12] James: Yeah. So it sounds like a voiceover, but it's not. Right. Yeah. And the only narrator is the stranger. Oh, yes. But in, on these whodunits, isn't the narrator usually the main character?

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[01:12:37] Phil: The all, and that's a good point. Cause all of the film noir, especially Chandler's stuff, like the big sleep and all his books, it's all first person.

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[01:12:56] James: false defeat. Yeah, false victory, false defeat. Would be where they lose the, the, the [01:13:00] suitcase.

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[01:13:02] Phil: undies. Yeah, so after that, they're sitting in the coffee shop, and still, you know, This is after the toe scene, and so, Walter says you can get it by toe, three o'clock Walter is unfazed by any of this. He can get him a tow by three o'clock this afternoon with nail polish.

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[01:13:27] James: And there's the third time that she [01:13:30] didn't kidnap herself, dude. I can get you a tow.

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[01:13:38] Phil: the right way. Not because of great insight. Right. Okay. Now Walter sees. I have, Walter sees his life through his own lens without compromise, and so I have in many ways, Walter also abides, because Walter, Is, is stuck in his lifestyle, I think, as the dude is stuck in his.

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[01:13:56] James: always wondered how they met. How the dude and Walter

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[01:14:01] Chris: Donnie just on the team because he's good at bowling? Because, like Maybe. Especially Walter doesn't seem like he likes Donnie at all. It's always, shut the fuck up, Donnie.

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[01:14:12] Phil: Until he dies, right. And then he's a very

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[01:14:15] James: it's Spoiler alert.

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[01:14:18] Phil: And even Donnie, it seems like he Like, how do these three meet?

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[01:14:29] Chris: [01:14:30] Right? Maybe bowling is the great About him wandering into the

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[01:14:33] James: Yeah, bowling is the great, you know, brings everybody together. Sure. What was the other rumor was that Donnie wasn't real. He was Walter's imagination, a

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[01:14:52] Phil: Thanks Donnie. And then when that, when, when the Walter says you like a child who wanders into the movie, you know, when [01:15:00] Donnie asked the dude a question, the dude responds to Donnie. Yeah. So

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[01:15:14] Chris: Donnie asked him, what do you need that for, dude? Like, talking about his dick, like, how dumb are you? Like, I don't

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[01:15:20] Chris: weird, like, Donnie's annoying, but then when he does die, you're like, oh, that's a bummer. Like, you're

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[01:15:27] Chris: still just didn't, what do you need that for, dude?

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[01:15:31] James: I don't, I don't give much credit to the Donnie not being real part of it, but it's an interesting thing, because he never really acknowledged He's never really acknowledged by anybody. Yeah. Know it

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[01:15:42] Phil: Right.

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[01:15:44] Chris: Right. And, and,

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[01:16:02] Phil: So

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[01:16:06] James: up? I think that's about as much as they knew about Donnie. Or that they just weren't good at giving words on that kind of thing. Who knows?

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[01:16:18] Phil: Yeah. Like I've totally watched a, you know, unless it was just under the circumstances of, they needed a bowling team and we need a third and well, this guy's good. You know? And so this guy wanted to be on a bowling team and [01:16:30] didn't have any friends and approaches Walter and the dude and he can roll. And so they sign him up, you know, because they don't ever associate outside of bowling with Donnie.

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[01:16:41] Chris: cause his name's not even on any of his shirts.

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[01:16:46] Chris: and Austin and I don't remember what the last one is. That's

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[01:16:52] Chris: This is art at the end. Yeah, his bowling shirt

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[01:16:58] James: All right, you were saying the [01:17:00] midpoint. Where

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[01:17:00] Phil: We're getting to it. This is still fun and games There are ways dude. You don't want to know about it family restaurant Vietnam and the First Amendment Uh, family establishment, Walter's enjoy. I'm going to enjoy my coffee prior restraint. Uh, I never did look with that up. I guess Walter,

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[01:17:22] James: So it's now a legal, legal documents, but I don't think it was then. That

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[01:17:31] Chris: time like as the lawyer like I'm in that courtroom and the judge says that and quotes it I've had real hard time not going. Yeah. Well, that's like your opinion,

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[01:17:53] Phil: This is a private residence man, here Uli breaks in, we wants the money Lebowski, we cut off your Johnson. We cut off your [01:18:00] Johnson. And I had a hard time hearing what he said, but he says, you'll wiggle in pain. And then we cut it off, we throw it on the floor and squish it, the cut off Johnson. You'll wiggle in pain.

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[01:18:39] Phil: Promising leads. They got us working in shifts, the absolute shit that he takes off. That laugh, that laugh. They got us working in shifts! Oh my god, okay, so. That brings us to what Look at that smell! Oh yeah, Vagrant. Used it as a toilet and moved on. Uh, they're just shitting all over him. Yes. And

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[01:19:05] Phil: or whatever, cause what have you.

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[01:19:09] Chris: Something better happens. I'm going to have it in something. So like in this, he's sitting there and he's, you know, enjoying his bath, smoking his weed.

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[01:19:16] Chris: it gets the, Hey, we found your car. And then

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[01:19:21] Phil: I love that is

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[01:19:26] Phil: they're breaking. Well, later on, you still see the broken [01:19:30] doorframe when the bowling ball got it. Yeah. I thought that was awesome. Continuity. Cause yeah, that's.

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[01:19:34] Chris: I hit something on the way out. I don't even know what the fuck he breaks.

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[01:19:47] James: know, he rents. He just got to let his buddy know.

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[01:19:51] Phil: true. I have the midpoint and I'm calling it a false defeat at 57 minutes, 50 seconds. What does Catboy have? [01:20:00] He says, A and B stories cross when the dude ness. Officially meets Maud, daughter of the Big Lebowski, an avant garde artist and feminist who wants the money back since her father took it from the family foundation.

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[01:20:28] Phil: He then gives him a doctor's [01:20:30] number El do to Reno, blah, blah, blah. I don't see, I didn't, I didn't get that. I said not even chronologically at the midpoint that occurs at 43 minutes. Mm-Hmm. . So I, cat Boy didn't even get it at chronologically the midpoint, which he celebrates a false victory in the limo stating that he can't be worried about that shit.

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[01:21:08] Phil: Okay. Well, he hadn't been worried about shit, the whole movie that, wow, that's weird. Weird. Yeah. So, and where did we put the midpoint? Well, I have it as a. Bad guy I'm sorry. Midpoint false victory. My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans can cut my dick off. I could be sitting here with just the pee stains on my rug.

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[01:21:38] Phil: How you doing there, dude? Not too good, man. So he's, he's recognizing that he's not doing too good. Do you have to use so many cuss words? As this fee has been monitoring the dude. Now there is a theory about the stranger here. That it's the dude's guardian angel. Yeah, that's what I would think. Because this stranger, now, now, he does order a Sioux City Sarsaparilla, and is seen by other characters, at least [01:22:00] the, the guy, Gary, you know, who gives him the Sarsaparilla.

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[01:22:07] James: see him walking back and forth, and he brings the phone over at one point. Yeah, but

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[01:22:18] Phil: That could be. Maybe. Uh, you have to use so many cuss words as if he has been monitoring. Have it your way. Have it your way. Dude, I put down keep abiding. The dude is gonna have it his way. Mm-Hmm. . Yeah. Having [01:22:30] wol, having told Walter to take it easy. Hear the stranger, calls that back and tells the dude to take her easy.

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[01:22:52] Phil: Yeah. Yeah. The cat boy says the victory for in the limo, which I just, it blows my mind. That's a full 13 minutes earlier, which doesn't make [01:23:00] any sense to me. So I think the dude is. At his lowest point at this point, moving into the bad guys close in, is that what, is that sort of where you pegged it or do you have something I had a real

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[01:23:16] Chris: Hey, this is probably a residence man, residence man in the jacket. You had all those like bad guys close in shit at one point. Like I wrote that down, but that means if that's true, then the, then the midpoint is earlier on somewhere around where Catboy had it, you know, yeah, but it's

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[01:23:30] Chris: victory if it's.

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[01:23:33] Chris: gotta go get the fucking money. Like his car has been stolen. It's still, you know what I mean? He's still like a long way there to get that 10%. Yeah. Because gotta find his car and hope the money's fucking there, which it's not.

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[01:23:47] Chris: Yeah. And it's too, too early. Yeah. But I think, and we'll, we'll get into it, but I guess there's, there's like. It's way, there's like, the story's almost over and then there's a bunch of bullshit after. Yeah. So like the, the beats are

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[01:24:09] Phil: That this other case. Mm-Hmm. results in a much deeper conspiracy. That involves the first case. Right. In Big Sleep, he is hired, Philip Marlowe was hired to, to, as a go between, between the rich guy and the blackmailers, he wants this taken care of, okay, and that's, and that's fine, but it turns into a missing person's case.[01:24:30]

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[01:24:59] Phil: Mine [01:25:00] shaft oil shaft on the property killed by the younger daughter who is loony, you know, so it's all, it's the second case all becomes involved with the first case, but the first case is seemingly superficial almost. And so,

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[01:25:26] Phil: Yes, there's always a larger conspiracy going on. It's just a

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[01:25:31] Phil: guys. Nice guys. Yes.

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[01:25:36] Phil: Yeah, we're going to review that at some point. Oh, I wish they'd made six. I wish that would have become like Lethal Weapon because that those characters are awesome.

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[01:26:00] Phil: Call for you, dude. It's Maude, closing in on the dude to get to the, she hasn't, he hasn't been to the doctor. A friend of Marty's, a friend with a cleft asshole, entrenched in the belief that Bunny really was kidnapped after all. The beaver picture. I feel a very complicated case. Maud a lot of ins and outs, a lot of what have yous, a lot of strands to keep in my head.

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[01:26:42] Phil: Delfino Tales and Larry Sellers Homework. Nearly Burns His Nuts Off, Wrecks His Car. This is, this is Jomtoss. History Peter, History period. That's the teacher's name. I wanted to, cause it says it at the top of Larry's homework. Wait a minute, you

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[01:27:01] James: in the book.

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[01:27:01] Phil: jumping through. Yeah, this is, this is Bad Guys Closed End. We can talk about it. Oh,

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[01:27:07] Phil: cuz this is for homework, Larry.

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[01:27:09] Phil: No, not no. Oh the you see what happens when you know the Corvette the car

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[01:27:31] Phil: illegal,

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[01:27:39] Sherry: Ah! Yeah, and he tries to put it, put it with

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[01:27:54] Chris: The way that he, the way that, yeah.

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[01:27:56] James: that. And then his sunglasses are sideways and the radio's still [01:28:00] blaring

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[01:28:03] Phil: When it

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[01:28:05] Phil: like that anymore, man. No, no, no. And that poor car's been through so much at that point. And then what color is it?

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[01:28:11] Phil: I

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[01:28:17] Sherry: had to talk about that scene.

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[01:28:25] Phil: Yeah, yeah, midpoint. All's lost. Yeah, because I have an all's lost. So this is still fun and games, I guess. [01:28:30] Delfino, Tails, and Larry Settle's Homework nearly burns the

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[01:28:33] Phil: you were just mentioning. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, because All's Lost. Bad Guys Closed In leading up to you're All's Lost.

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[01:28:51] James: all of that, the Larry Sellers part was just the red herring, I guess. Like, it

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[01:28:58] Phil: Yeah, he didn't have anything to do with [01:29:00] the money. Because there was no money, right? There was no Yeah, he just stole the car and then Joyride. Joyride situation. Larry Sellers, uh, he needs to use a dictionary he can't spell. Who is he? This is stuff that's written by the teacher, because she wrote in red, who is he?

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[01:29:30] Chris: series. 156 episodes.

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[01:29:33] Phil: dunce. Yeah. And a good day to you, sir. Big fans. Is he still right? Come on. Oh, no. Come on. He has health problems. He's in

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[01:29:45] Phil: still write? Iron lung. Which, I'm not even sure they use those anymore. Yeah. Does he still fucking write?

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[01:29:50] James: probably, I think, a few people still left in Iron Lung. Is that right? Because they can't take him out,

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[01:30:05] Phil: The dude with his take it easy philosophy, going up against those striving for and maintaining wealth and possession. Here, Marty appearing as some kind of atom in the garden, struggling against some force or antagonism. So, Marty is doing his dance quintet, whatever. His cycle. His cycle. And he, you know, he appears to be sort of an atom.

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[01:30:44] Phil: So this is, yeah, no, I missed that. I

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[01:30:47] Phil: what the fuck's going on there? Right. Yeah. No, but I think, I don't think any of the three funny bit, you know,

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[01:30:58] Chris: And

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[01:31:10] James: over. That kid should be a pushover. Yes. Right?

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[01:31:17] Phil: But I think, I think the dance, the cycle is, is sort of a reflection of the movie, you know, sort of. The Adam character struggling against forces of antagonism. Larry Sellers lives in North Hollywood on Radford near the In N Out burger on [01:31:30] Camrose. Some burgers, some beers, a few laughs, our fucking troubles are over, dude.

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[01:31:48] Phil: Trying to, to, to reflect the nuance of that statement from the nihilist. It scared

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[01:31:57] Phil: hey, listen, this scared me. It'll scare the kid. [01:32:00] We're going to cut your dick off, Larry. Plan B. This is what happens. You're killing your mother, Larry. You're killing Out of their depth.

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[01:32:17] Chris: get out and go with them and, and like, and, fucking Walter, like, he waits for Donnie to get out of the goddamn car and then goes stay in the car with Donnie.

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[01:32:24] Phil: get back in. Yeah, Don, yes. Yes, poor Don. Dark Knight of the Soul, okay, [01:32:30] all takes place in the dark, pretty much the rest of the movie's in the dark. In the night. I kill your fucking car. Ugh. I just bought that car. Bought that car two weeks ago. The deadbeat Lebowski. Right,

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[01:32:43] Chris: Yeah, Larry, cause there's no money. Larry didn't buy shit. No. Yeah. And Larry Breaks the shit out of a neighbor's car so that guy comes out and fucking rails on him.

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[01:33:06] Phil: There was no need for Sellers to speak. Yeah, I'd be interested to know if that guy was like actually part of the guild or whether They just stuck him in there and, and couldn't give him any speaking parts, I don't know. Who knows? Yes. The deadbeat Lebowski standards have fallen in adult entertainment. I don't know what

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[01:33:20] Chris: I like, I, I don't know. I really like the way, like, it works, like, I really like the way it works without him. Well, the kid wasn't a pushover. Like, all the stuff they're throwing at

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[01:33:33] James: Killing your

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[01:33:48] Phil: There was no bottom. Now that's an actual quote, so. Yeah. That's an actual quote from, from, I don't know if it's the big sleep or the open window. From a, a Chandler's Marlowe story. And I don't think [01:34:00] it's a big sleep, which then led me to believe, okay, they, they went through Chandler's works and lifted stuff.

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[01:34:21] James: Yeah. I think I had sent that to y'all at one point.

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[01:34:27] Phil: Absolutely. I like the

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[01:34:37] Phil: Well, they're eating their, and they're all eating their burgers and he's driving pissed off. The dude is fucking abiding this. He's putting up with this shit. Yes. You know, here I go. All I want on my rug back, I'm driving with my car, broken window, and my two idiot friends are enjoying themselves eating burgers.

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[01:34:51] Phil: car, it's not their rug. You're right. Our car, Walter? Well, apparently not at that point.

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[01:35:01] Phil: Sodom as the bowling employee, a callback to this aggression. References to Maude floating under the dancers and licking up their skirts.

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[01:35:19] James: So he meets, he meets Treehorn, Jackie Treehorn, at the Malibu mansion, and then it turns into the Dark Night of the Soul when he gets drugged.

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[01:35:43] Phil: Yes, Chief, me, please, Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man. I don't like your jerk off name, I don't like your jerk off face, I don't like your jerk off behavior, and I don't like you. Jerk off. I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. The cab ride, I hate the fucking That's

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[01:35:58] Chris: Like, we talk about how, like, [01:36:00] earlier, cringe when the bowling ball Yes. And that, you hear the sound of

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[01:36:07] James: You know what part of that coffee cup hit him in the head. Yes, it Just by the sound.

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[01:36:12] Phil: Oh my god. It hurt. Ow! Mr. Treehorn. Okay, so the cab ride hit the fucking eagles. Bunny returns with all her toes. Hit the fucking eagles, man. Get out of my fucking cab. Home again, his apartment was ransacked. Maude is fixing to ransack him, basically. Maude, that's my robe. [01:36:30] Yeah, this is a dark night, so this is, everybody is Jeffrey, love me.

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[01:36:52] Phil: I said no, we are well past that beat. Everybody wants something from the dude. Treehorn is money, Big Lebowski someone dependent on, Maude a child, Uli the [01:37:00] ransom money. Right. It helps with conception. Yeah. Pfft. I don't think so. I'm not the dude. Heh heh. Heh heh. The actual revelation resulting from the dig deep down occurs at 1 hour and 31 minutes.

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[01:37:20] James: Callin

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[01:37:29] Phil: Come on. [01:37:30] Walter, you fuck, we gotta go to Pasadena, man.

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[01:37:36] Phil: the phone. That's right. Excluding others. Dufino, not an Irish monk. We learn here who's toe it was. Uli's girlfriend. A ringer for a ringer. And then I'm moving into storming the castle. So that was sort of the deep down. Is that sort of what you had?

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[01:37:51] James: I love those, those type of that dig deep down section of where everything's kind of wrapping up where you're, you're finding out that the [01:38:00] money wasn't there. The ringer for the ringer. I love little montages like that. That puts it all together. My favorite ones are like in hot fuzz and specifically in hot fuzz where he puts it all together and then it's completely wrong.

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[01:38:21] Phil: up of stuff. These are cat boys, bad guys, all is lost, dark night, bad guys close in seconds later. He noticed the bad guys close in when he sees a VW beetle [01:38:30] following him. He takes to another limo. Where the big Lebowski shows him the severed toe.

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[01:38:49] Phil: All the dude wanted was his rug back. The dude says before passing out. Drugs by something Jackie put in his caucasian, so we're sort of hitting on that darkness washed over the dude I was lost as he [01:39:00] dreams again a seemingly pleasant bowling theme dream that turns into a Johnson cutting nightmare He wakes up in a hits again by the policeman though leads.

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[01:39:27] Phil: But wait, that bunny passing by in a [01:39:30] convertible with all her toes intact. See, again, that's weak to me as a Dark Knight. I, you know, I think what we did was better. Anyway.

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[01:39:53] Chris: to the

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[01:39:53] Phil: A. area? That's what we're led to believe. She's going in the wrong direction? Yes. Only you would know that.

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[01:40:02] Sherry: bothers me. Palm Springs is out in the desert.

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[01:40:06] Phil: Yeah. And

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[01:40:10] Sherry: A.

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[01:40:17] Sherry: The only thing I could think of is, did she go see She wouldn't have gone see the Jackie Treehorn. She wouldn't have gone up there,

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[01:40:24] Phil: No, I thought she was gonna pay. Not if she owes the money. Yeah. So No, Sherry, Sherry would know that I, [01:40:30] I know how to get to about three places. Sherry would've a point. Sherry has a photographic memory when it comes to directions and maps.

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[01:40:38] Chris: Probably. Maybe, maybe Bunny did go up there. 'cause for a thousand dollars I'll suck your cock. Right. She went up there to pay some debt off, you know, so

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[01:40:53] Sherry: And if she'd been coming that direction, I would have understood it. No, they said Palm Springs. And I was like, [01:41:00] they should have said Vegas.

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[01:41:06] Sherry: I mean, she would have to come back through the mountains,

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[01:41:13] Chris: almost did a Back to the Future, you're right, you're right.

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[01:41:30] Sherry: Okay, so, wait a minute. Let me back up.

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[01:41:41] Phil: I'm just saying. Yeah, absolutely. Storming the castle, barging into the West wing. Where's the money Lebowski? We had talked about this beginning. That's how the movie begins and ends. Somebody barging in demanding money from the Lebowski.

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[01:42:13] Phil: You're yeah, damaging to natural life. I don't know. They used in in Vietnam.

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[01:42:23] Phil: been right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah Not in a literal sense, dude. But anyway, Bunny was visiting friends in Palm Springs.

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[01:42:47] James: You

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[01:43:03] James: this guy, this guy's a fake.

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[01:43:09] Phil: spinals in my time. Yeah. See, he doesn't have it down here, but, uh, breaking the three, the dude gets back in the fight, he's been trashed. The dude has a revelation. What explains her father has no money. He puts it all together. And then what else does he, cause I didn't agree.

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[01:43:42] Phil: He demands his money and the dude and Walter finally leave the house penniless, executing the plans, whatever. Uh, Hightower Surprise, I have as Donnie doesn't get a strike, the payoff changing the, uh, you gotta date, okay, the payoff of changing the playoffs. I guess cause this is Wednesday, uh, you gotta date on Wednesday, baby.[01:44:00]

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[01:44:17] Phil: I agree with those first three

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[01:44:30] Chris: Yeah, then when you plan it out, that's way too fucking late Yes, I was like, all right, well the beats like fucked up, but I guess if that's the part of the high tower surprise And a new plan,

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[01:44:49] Phil: Walter's

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[01:44:50] Phil: though. Yes. Go call the

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[01:44:56] Phil: here. He's not bleeding anything.

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[01:45:01] Phil: Yes. Walter's not bleeding. Now, there was some indication that Walter was stabbed by the sword, cut by the sword.

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[01:45:09] Chris: All right, I just assumed he was lying and trying to dramatize the whole whole thing like he's back in you know The jungle when one of his buddies is down. Yeah.

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[01:45:35] Phil: I don't agree with that. Right. I think that more is final image shit. Uh, so execution on the new plan is show me what you got nihilist and Donnie is lost. Because at that point, uh

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[01:45:50] Phil: and Donnie dying and this kind of thing.

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[01:45:54] Phil: killed my fucking car. Yes, what's mine is mine. Come on, man, we're getting off easy here. I got four bucks. [01:46:00] I got fifteen bucks, I think Donnie says. Uh, final image at 151. At the funeral home, Donnie tells Walter to lower his voice, at which point they go get a can of coffee from Ralph's.

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[01:46:14] James: You mean the dude tells Walter. Yeah. It's Donny's. Because they're looking for a Folger scan or a Ralph. Yeah. Is there a Ralph's? Yeah. Yeah. That's our most modest receptacle. Modestly priced receptacle. Modestly

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[01:46:26] Chris: What is this right here? . We're having 'em cremated. Uh, [01:46:30] yes.

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[01:46:33] Phil: remains. Yes. Something right? Yeah. Ralph's the tumbleweed blown about by the wind at the beginning. A metaphor for the dude will now, now carry Donny on its currents. Uh, that's if you wanna get symbolic, I guess. While the dude abides. If the dude is the tumbleweed at the beginning, he is abiding now.

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[01:47:12] Phil: I don't know. I don't know that he changes the tumbleweed metaphor applying now to the whole human comedy. Westward the wagons across the sands of time, strikes and gutters, the movie ends on a strike. Things have worked out pretty good for the dude and Walter, is the final image, you know. Um, sort of all things have [01:47:30] been put right.

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[01:47:48] Chris: and even I guess I mean if it's all about not changing, right?

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[01:48:02] Phil: yeah, no, they They're gonna find some other dude

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[01:48:05] Phil: strikes and off they go.

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[01:48:10] Chris: that work? So they, I was talking about that. Did they have to get a third person or do they

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[01:48:22] Phil: Who is that? He sits in the background, but I don't think he ever, he's a skinny guy. Right. I don't know. Cause I

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[01:48:31] Phil: yeah, because. Yeah, because when he, when

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[01:48:39] Chris: And then he's the one that's like holding back when he's talking shit.

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[01:48:55] Phil: And uh, he,

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[01:48:59] Phil: [01:49:00] Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Uh, but the character of Liam, I think was probably worked in or, or something because

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[01:49:11] James: Yeah.

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[01:49:12] James: Absolutely. Uh, 'cause they had to get it right every time and Oh yeah. Right.

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[01:49:33] Phil: I don't know. Certainly not. The Coen brothers aren't going to make a second, second one. Well,

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[01:49:41] Phil: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So

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[01:49:45] Phil: Yes. I think, I think, uh, I think we did a pretty good job of that. And I haven't looked at the clock, and I hesitate to see how much time that was, but it doesn't matter.

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[01:50:13] Phil: Now. I don't think that there's anybody who watches this movie who. Um, really cares that they can't track it because it is such a ride. Um, yeah, no, that's how I felt about

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[01:50:26] Phil: the movie.

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[01:50:29] Chris: him getting covered in [01:50:30] ash when he shakes the can. That's again, one of those, like we're talking about with the car hitting the dumpster. Yes. That's another scene that I instantly laughed. No matter how many times I've seen it, it's just

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[01:50:41] Phil: Dammit, Walter. It's just one more thing assailing the dude, you know, that he has to sort of put up with because the noir detective has to put up with a shit ton of shit. As he's moving through this underworld, you know, and it's just, uh, um, I can't remember there was a line for, for [01:51:00] 50 a day plus expenses.

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[01:51:18] Phil: Has to take it all through the course of the case from all sides and certainly the dude Even at the very end with the ashes, you know Donny and he's the

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[01:51:29] Phil: [01:51:30] it's right in there and and Marlo is very much characterized like that. Mm hmm that one of the favorite quotes that Marlo says when because he used to work Marlo used to work for the district attorney we find out and he tells Either the femme fatale character or some, one of his clients tells him, yeah, I used to work for the district attorney, the district attorney.

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[01:52:06] Phil: Any other?

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[01:52:26] James: Oh, really? Yeah.

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[01:52:42] Phil: That's interesting. I think based on. That's interesting, man. Yeah. Based on the, the Cohen's use of Chandler and noir, it would not surprise me at all if that was not in their mind. Cause, cause Chinatown is a noir. Um, it's a comedy and one of my favorite movies, uh, Dead Men Don't Wear a [01:53:00] Plaid, is, uh, Steve Martin, where he plays, uh, Rigby Reardon.

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[01:53:27] Phil: It's, it's really clever. Oh yeah.

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[01:53:32] Phil: it is, it is worth a watch and it's, but it's a noir, uh, Rigby Ridden is a hardball private detective,

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[01:53:44] Phil: Liam Nielsen actually, I don't know if it was in the theater.

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[01:54:08] Phil: I really liked him as Marlowe. Wow. Um, uh, see how they run. Maybe, uh, I watched that a little while ago. Um, and he's, he's a detective. He's sort of an alcoholic and down on his luck, but a hard ball detective, see how they run. Uh, radio, radio land murders is a little known me if I have it. I like it very [01:54:30] much.

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[01:54:51] Phil: Yeah. Hercule, Hercule Perrault. I don't know if he qualifies as hard boiled though. I don't know if her stuff is hard boiled.

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[01:55:03] Phil: imagine. Yeah, whydunit, yeah. Or whydunit, sorry. Yes, um. Similar. I think there's a, I think, I think that character very much like Agatha Christie's detectives are not so much hard boiled.

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[01:55:16] Chris: all white, don't it? But they're not necessarily, not necessarily

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[01:55:32] Phil: Just more

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[01:55:35] James: Yeah. Last thing I can remember that came out was the nice guys with Russell. Yeah. Yeah. I would say Hard boiled. Ryan Gosling. That, like you were saying, they, fantastic movie. Should have been like, Leap of Weapon and more of

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[01:55:49] Chris: one,

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[01:55:51] Phil: Hard boiled? Yeah, I think so. Definitely Seedy. Yeah. And, uh. And Blade Runner. Oh, yes. For certain. For certain. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. [01:56:00] And,

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[01:56:20] Phil: Those are political? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's, there's a absolute, yeah, there's different genres of. And then just

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[01:56:40] Chris: He's got another

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[01:57:06] Phil: Uh,

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[01:57:21] Phil: looper and

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[01:57:30] Phil: Farewell My Lovely and Big Sleep are both Marlowe.

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[01:57:36] Chris: Devil in a Blue Dress, that had Denzel Washington, that was very good. I like that. Blue Velvet, Mulholland Falls, Hollywoodland, and The Black Dahlia.

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[01:57:48] Chris: Tightrope was

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[01:57:50] Phil: Yeah, but the Eveswood movie where he plays a hard boiled detective. I thought it was um, it was almost a period piece I'll have to look that one up. I don't know. [01:58:00] That's weird

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[01:58:06] Phil: Noir. Or any, or any thoughts on Lebowski?

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[01:58:09] Chris: Lebowski. Here we go. This is what I was looking for. Fantasy, why don't it? So he's got Blade Runner, Total Recall, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Cool World, Mulholland Drive, Ghost, The Sixth Sense, The Singing Detective, Minority Report, Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow, and then I,

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[01:58:25] Phil: Yeah. I would

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[01:58:27] Phil: and Mulholland drive. Yeah. Seems the [01:58:30] war. Oh, kiss. Kiss. Bang. Bang. There's another one. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There you go. Yes, absolutely. That's a shame. Black

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[01:58:42] Phil: Mm hmm.

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[01:58:57] James: All right. We know what we're gonna say.[01:59:00]

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[01:59:08] Sherry: Oh, do I get to speak? Yes, you do. Okay, I'll speak and then I can get up and leave the room for another hour so y'all can continue. Well, no, I'm just kidding. Well, first of all, I guess what came to mind about this movie, uh, all y'all talking, so is this really Wu's fault for the whole movie?

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[01:59:31] Phil: they are, they drew the, yes, apart from Wu and it's

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[01:59:36] Phil: I like saying Wu, wasn't this guy supposed to be a millionaire? Like how do you lurk inside that house that long if he hadn't and not think about are we in the right place?

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[01:59:47] Chris: Yes. They're standing there in the fucking dark. Yeah.

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[01:59:56] Chris: That's the answer. But if he hadn't peed

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[01:59:58] Chris: rug. Sure. [02:00:00] Yeah. I think Lebowski would have let the, the fucking door jam go. The cracked tile

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[02:00:04] Phil: Oh yeah. No, he would not. Threw my head in the

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[02:00:08] Phil: Yeah. No. The rug tied the room together. So yes. Yes, and and and Walter the force of nature that he is. Yeah, but yes, I just thought it was What is that? What is Wu's motivation for peeing on the rug?

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[02:00:41] Phil: Yeah, anyway.

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[02:00:57] Phil: puts you in a certain mindset. I, yeah, [02:01:00] absolutely.

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[02:01:10] Sherry: I was watching an interview with. The Nickelback guys.

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[02:01:18] James: Nickelback podcast. Yes.

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[02:01:24] Sherry: And when they were asked, what's your favorite movie, they didn't come up with a favorite [02:01:30] movie, but they said anytime their flipping channels and the Big Lebowski is on, they will stop and they will watch it.

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[02:01:37] Phil: Absolutely. No, it, it is, it is magical. It there's something, so I think even. Unbeknownst to the Coen brothers. I don't think they could figure out why that this movie has done what it's done to and for people because I don't, because they refuse to make another one. Like, you know, and, and they, and they, and they're the kind that makes something and move on.

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[02:02:07] Sherry: anyway, so yes, I recommend it. However, you have to watch it more than once, probably.

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[02:02:14] James: prerequisite.

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[02:02:18] James: Not only recommend multiple viewings. Wow.

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[02:02:28] Phil: Yes. Well, and, [02:02:30] and your, your like, or dislike of this movie also is a commentary on you, I think, because if you have a problem with the dude taking it easy, laying back, maybe having a more relaxed approach to life.

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[02:02:48] Chris: we just lost half our viewers,

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[02:02:55] Phil: times, you know,

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[02:02:59] James: listening, I would, [02:03:00] I would hope that somebody sees the big Lebowski pop up and go, Ooh,

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[02:03:04] Phil: And

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[02:03:16] Phil: Yes.

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[02:03:22] Phil: Yes.

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[02:03:24] Chris: right. I don't know, have a problem with goals and achieving all that, but I don't have a problem with the guy that doesn't either.

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[02:03:30] Chris: if you're minding your own business, and if you're draining on

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[02:03:39] Phil: He's not out there trying to manipulate and take exactly and, and have schemes and all this

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[02:03:48] Phil: right. Yeah. He is. The only character is what you see is what you get. What you see in the Big Lebowski, he's not, that's not who he really is, same with Maude, same with all of them.

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[02:03:58] Chris: we found out after he's dead, oh [02:04:00] he's a fucking surfer. Yes,

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[02:04:05] James: And Walter had a heart that whole time, he loved Donnie.

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[02:04:10] Chris: and just him finally apologizing to the dude, you know, like the way he like a child. Yeah. It's almost, almost, yes.

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[02:04:20] Phil: Fucking holding his arms down. I'm sorry, dude. Yeah, yeah. I'm

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[02:04:24] Phil: he, yeah. For all his, all his, because Walter annoys you most of the movie. Like, he's

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[02:04:32] Chris: Yes. You're like, oh, this guy's fucking shit up. And then, and keeps making it worse, but then on that, when you see him, that, and I'm sorry, dude, do you, you do care for him and you know, he's, he's sympathetic at that point,

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[02:04:49] Phil: This guy hangs around, I guess we're friends. I mean, you know, maybe he didn't cause it's very strange how they would have met. Yeah, for sure. Oh,

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[02:04:55] James: anyway, for me, it would be a strong, strong, strong recommend, [02:05:00] obviously. I mean, no surprise there. Yeah, no. Glad so. That's it. That's all I got.

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[02:05:06] Phil: Uh, what else can be

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[02:05:09] Chris: Yeah. I mean, same for me. Um, like we were talking about earlier about, you know, trying to like, I can't nail down my, you know, top 10 favorite movies, but it's the big Lebowski's, you know, is definitely one of my favorite movies. So

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[02:05:22] Phil: It's. They, they say that the reason like little children will be, so parents will be [02:05:30] absolutely sick of Frozen or whatever movie the kid has latched onto because they've seen it a million times. It's the familiarity that makes them comfortable. They know what's coming even as a little kid, their mind knows there's going to be no surprises, nothing.

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[02:05:54] James: There's something new every time.

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[02:06:03] Phil: It's also like

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[02:06:10] Phil: So yeah, I think it becomes a very social thing that, you know, uh, I've been. You'd like, like, you know, two Harley riders will ride past each other on the street and they'll wave or whatever, just cause they know that they're both hog riders or whatever you want to call them.

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[02:06:37] James: two hours ish. Yeah,

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[02:06:47] Sherry: I think we should go to In N Out.

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[02:07:05] Phil: I will say that all the time. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Me

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[02:07:09] Phil: time. It has seeped into, you know, your, your, uh, verbiage, your vernacular or whatever. Nothing is fucked. Nothing is fucked. Yeah. I used that one. Yeah.

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[02:07:22] Chris: yeah. Now, anytime someone says something that I don't agree with and I can't immediately come up with a good, you know, comeback, then there's the placeholders.

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[02:07:31] Phil: man. You know, I wasn't listening. I love that. I'm sorry. I wasn't. I can't say

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[02:07:43] Phil: interesting, man. Like what day is it?

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[02:07:46] Sherry: work. The one that, what

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[02:07:53] Phil: Yeah, on occasion. That is, that is awesome. Oh my God. She's like, why do you [02:08:00] call me sir? Quick? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, all right, so this could go on and obviously if you love this movie, you know that all right Yep, so it's gonna keep going on.

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[02:08:12] James: dude. Okay, let's push these microphones away from us

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