TERMINATOR 2

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at this point in the movie I'm like okay well here's here's what you should have done and I'm thinking yeah right

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it's one of my favorite openings ever and I've watched that ultimate ending and it is garbage

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it doesn't go where you think it's going to go there's a monster I am I'm ready

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for it to be oh well but I'm not sure I can even fully uh explain why I love this movie so much

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I have my feelings on it have not changed

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I fell asleep until the screaming this is actually where I started enjoying the

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movie is one of my favorite scenes in all of Cinema I thought that should have been cut oh

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come on well I'm sure it's artistic and you just don't get it all right here we are season two Fellowship of the real four

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friends of the movie this is season two we're recording for season two ahead of time and we initially had a

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plan of we had our movie picked out we actually recorded it and then we had the right idea of well this is the second

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season maybe the first four movies should be second or at least sequel movies so the

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first episode that we recorded is actually probably going to want to be in the fifth and just like we kicked off season one with like a four movie Bruce

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Willis tribute this is a four movie sequel tribute to commemorate what we

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are calling our second season in we anticipate it being more than 16 movies we got a late start last time and this

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time whose pick was this this was my pick this was James pick Terminator two yeah

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my my thing was I thought we were going for uh the sequel is better than the original type of concept because I think

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that the second season of this podcast will be even better more Superior sure if you will to the first but uh

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apparently with some of the other movies we picked that's not the case well

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I am gonna not comment at this time until we so stay tuned for the other

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sequel episodes is what I'm saying sure this is Terminator 2.

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which I again I think is far superior to the original I agree with that I like it better than

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the first one now Terminator the original Terminator has a special place in my heart so it while I agree

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absolutely with that statement in terms of production value Terminator will always have a place in my heart and I

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love both these movies but Terminator 2 I would argue is probably I think the best one of all of them yeah well I

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haven't seen all of even that latest one what is it Genesis what was it well

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there's one after that dark Faith yeah fate where's the one where Arnold has been living there and he's old and dark

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fate what was the one before though he's he's older than the last two okay what's the one before that then Genesis is the

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one where they go back in time like you basically get to see Sarah the this Terminator 2 version of Sarah Connor go

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back to 84 to like help and grab Reese or whatever so Reese gets to meet

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the did you did you ever see that one uh that didn't ring a bell then you've got to be talking about dark face you

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talking about where he's in a cabin and yes yes yeah and yeah that was okay yeah

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it makes it good yeah I like it um I have the same problem with Genesis and dark fate they both do

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um horrible things to John croner in different ways and those annoy me in Genesis they swear alert they turn them

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into a bad guy yeah I was about to say there's something about and then they he's he's the the bat the source of all

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this I was like I don't remember that and then in dark fate they've killed him yeah like after they've saved the day

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they're all like you know yeah I think that's another Beach earning 20 and they you know the the other there's another

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Terminator that was dispatched and kills him and then just goes off into the sunset and that's which

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I like these as far as like all right you gotta have Arnold play Terminator because he is Terminator but how do you explain the age thing so I like how both

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of those explain the age very well yeah um but [ __ ] the whole thing's about John

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Connor you know saving Humanity right so you can't turn him into a bad guy you can't kill him I think this I think this

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Series has gone off the rails on more than one occasion it's to the point where they have a whole movie now that

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is like not even like not part of the I think you have four I think it's split into four different because after a

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Terminator three I guess that's one Terminator rides the machines right which follows from off the first two but

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kind of undoes some of it and then you have the Christian Bale one salvation that's a whole different uh path I feel like

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and then the two we just talked about Genesis and then dark Faith or whatever so yeah it's no wonder like these movies

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I love to remember but they keep failing at the box office because people don't know what the [ __ ] going on what story is this yeah I think

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for me it's Terminator one and Terminator two and that's it I don't know well

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Terminator one Michael Bain yeah and Terminator 2 are these Series in my mind

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after that I don't know absolutely two was so exciting the first time I saw it I got so nervous right watching it so I

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like three but one and two are the the superiors I was doing the math on this this was released in 91 92 I think it's

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91. I saw this in the theaters I would have been eight years old wow when I saw

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this I don't think I saw anything my younger cousin um was with us younger he was seven yeah

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like my cousin took us yeah to this rated R movie and it wasn't 15 minutes

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in he had to take my cousin out so I was there most of the movie yeah so that's

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cool you were eight you said I was eight and I I loved it yeah the level of violence yeah it was just fine with me

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yeah I had to have been nine I guess wasn't my dad that's crazy um because yeah I came out in the summer and yeah

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so that yeah I would have turned 10 in December so yeah I had to have been nine but like even the

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that was July 4th weekend nice um just the beginning and well I guess we can get into this but like the

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beginning with the the flames and stuff and because you uh I feel like both these movies were reviewing like they

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you it's older movies so you have to watch the credits instead of saving the credits for the end or whatever and yeah but he has all

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the flames and all the stuff going on like I remember like every time I fire this movie up and watched that I remember being in the theater yeah

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that's good just like looking at Flames going and you know the Flames amazed me let alone with all the [ __ ] I was gonna

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see you know once the movie started you know yeah well this starts out with that prologue and you're like oh happy life

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cars and everything and then destruction

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well this is the second James Cameron sequel that we watch we watched aliens

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and Chris and I were talking about this before uh James got here you know Cameron has been known to be a bit of a

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personality problem a little arrogant maybe but then you look at and we're

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going to talk about this when we get to the section but freaking Cameron man I mean well I'm gonna we'll get into the

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section in a second about the numbers but this is the second camera movie and the second one that is literally killed it

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uh but he directed the first Terminator he didn't direct the first alien correct movie what did he do with that he just

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took it aliens yeah this is the second thing so we did aliens and we did

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Terminator two so these are the second the Cameron both directed Terminator and the Terminator is entirely his baby were

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aliens was not had he been given this type of budget on Terminator I'm sure it would have been a sure yeah bigger movie

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all right anyway money critics fans here we go [Music]

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money critics fans all right we can start off with the does anybody have the uh synopsis or tagline or

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anything anybody wants to read for that I think I think by this point everybody knows what Terminator 2 is about machine

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I don't know man the movie's 91 as well because they might not be surprised yeah I don't I don't well I did ask my

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daughter she had no idea she'd never seen this movie and so she still has not she's older than late she's uh 17 17.

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yeah yeah she's she know who Arnold Schwarzenegger was I don't know how like deep in the like the weeds you got with

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her like well she knows jingle all the way we watch that every year so so is that did you pitch it to her like it's

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jingle all the way up instead of looking for a turbo Turbo mandal he's a particular robot yeah yeah did she watch

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it with you or no no she was like whatever yeah I'm 17. I hate you wait what was this movie and he still didn't

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join me because yeah sometimes they get in these moods like and I'm having to I guess we're going with rails a little bit here but yeah I have to still have

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to like get used to that like hey wait I'm watching this movie and you know sometimes he'll join other times he

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doesn't like you know I die a little bit inside when he doesn't join you know right he'll find it in his own way yeah all right so this came out do you want

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rd: 1991

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this sequel said 11 years after the Terminator young John Connor played by

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Edward Furlong the key to civilians no civilizations the key to civilization's

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target of the shape-shifting T: 1000

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Patrick a Terminator sent from the future to kill him another Terminator the revamp t-800 Arnold Schwarzenegger

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has been sent back to uh protect the boy as John and his mother Linda Hamilton go

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on the run with the t-800 the boy forms an unexpected bond with the robot yeah

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sure now I said 11 years uh the kid does not look 11. is he 11 in this movie he's

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not 11 15. how old does he look do you older yeah Edward Furlong I think was 12 13. now

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his voice does crack it throughout the movie sometimes so well I've read in the trivia they had to do lots of overdubs

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Because by the time they got done filming everything you could hear his voice like back and forth so they just

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did overdose yeah I was telling Jerry that he did not do well after this yeah you know there's really in his life yeah

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there's a reason he does not play he was in a murderer in the third one or whatever like he's old enough uh like

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that would have been really cool he was an American History X which was great uh he was in that's a very pet cemetery too

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and then he was in a lot of other stuff just you know yeah stuff because I thought he'd do well in this movie you say he

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was in a band James is that what you said I don't know oh I thought you said that I misunderstood no anyway he went

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off the rails a little bit himself I think personally well I mean yeah child actor right celebrity like that's oh we

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just came out of nowhere yeah honestly I think it says introducing yeah this is the first thing yeah in the credits all

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right so muddy Creek's fans that's what we are again now this is the second Cameron film we're doing we did aliens

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and if you remember the stats from Aliens they were absolutely skyrocketing through the stratosphere

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I pulled this up and I was again blown away I'm like you want to hate Cameron for being a you know but but the guy can

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make movies and his movies have made could could make movies okay anyway

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Tomato Meter again this is a little bit unfair but over the course of its life these are the consistent scores that

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this movie and these are aliens type numbers Tomato Meter 93 of the critics

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continually rate this movie three three and a half stars or above and 95 of the

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fans so there's like the people who hate this movie who are they because 93 and 95 of the

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fans and critics raved about this movie those are the only two num movies that

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have those numbers that we've reviewed we're lucky if uh they get 70 or 75 percent right I think that's good

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um now you want to talk about okay that's that's people's opinions great uh the budget of this movie was uh what do

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I have uh like 100 million 102 million okay that's a lot of money it grossed half a billion

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worldwide and domestic so domestic 200 million worldwide 300 million so even if

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you're looking at just a domestic at doubled his money but over the whole world half a billion dollars well it was

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the first movie over 300 million in the bank yeah and it was the the opening

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weekend numbers were right at 32 million and that was more than Terminator made their the original Terminator made in

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its entire run in the theaters so it came out of the gate smoking yeah it's

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your point with the Cameron this is Cameron at his Peak this is Arnold Lewis Peak yes I was telling you seriously the

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original Terminator of them both starting at that point when when we were watching it last night I remember

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telling Jared I said this is this is the baddest this is Arnold looking the most

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badass he ever looks right okay Arnold is his most Arnold yeah yes but but just

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badass like the shades and the leather and yeah the Slick the twirling of the gun I mean he is a straight up

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Gunslinger in this movie not right I uh yeah this movie hits on all cylinders

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and Arnold is I think it's one of his best you know like if if you want to see Arnold's an extra star this is it Matt

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yeah because he keeps his mouth closed most of the time and when it comes out it's robotic yeah right yeah so he

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really wasn't acting okay yes I mean Arnold uh grew into being a very very good actor no no I think something blew

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me away in that uh uh the Stallone movie where they're on the Escape plane Escape

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Plan when he was in solitary and he's just yelled in German I was like wow

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yeah well if you want to see a like a dramatic Arnold I I love it it's a zombie movie It's called Maggie and it

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is straight up drama I don't think there's a a fight in it but Arnold plays

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The Grieving father of a girl who has got the zombie virus and is trying to get a cure for her and it's straight up

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drama and he Nails it man because the twist in that one is it's not fast it's very very slow turning to his own view

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right it is it's yes and if they come to collect her and he's like you're not taking my daughter and yeah so there's some of that but it's straight up drama

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if I remember and he Nails it as a dramatic part uh Maggie still like Kindergarten Cop greed I was

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just supposed to say the Kindergarten Cop I really like it too who is your dad my great terminator-esque at the beginning and maybe we'll review this

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someday but by the end he's you know he's his teacher uh they're all new bathrooms yeah it goes from being

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Terminator to Mr Kimball yeah we accidentally found well not accidentally we did someone told us we took a tour of

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Astoria yeah it was from Goonies and all that yeah and we went up to look at The

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Goonies house and drove past I was like that looks like the school yeah nice the

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from The Goonies house you could see the Kindergarten Cop Elementary School oh nice it's actually pretty cool yeah okay

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uh money Craig's fans anything else about that this movie blew it away on

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all cylinders I think uh what I read was Cameron to do press for this movie he

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didn't want to give any scenes away so they shot separate uh Montage films of

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Terminators being made and all that and then Terminator 2 lots of flames because they want it to be very secretive I

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guess yeah I don't recall it I was too young but yeah I mean I don't remember I guess the the reveal I guess when I was

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younger like we talked about we saw it in the theater but yeah but watching it again and kind of thinking about it like it's my understanding that because

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Arnold is is a bad Terminator He's the bad guy in the first one yes and he's playing the same version of The

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Terminator in the second one like I think the reveal that he's a good guy like that's that was supposed to be hidden yeah like going into it you're

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not supposed to know that right into the movie so it's well Sherry was saying so that explains that makes sense what

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you're saying but he doesn't want to give that away yeah when when we're watching it last night and he comes out of the elevator and Sarah sees him and

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starts to run away Sherry said we're not she doesn't know we're not supposed to know at this point I said yeah the first

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time you saw this you were not knowing right uh you know anyway yeah it was it

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was cleverly head what's the word I'm looking for hidden hidden hidden uh they're in the shopping

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mall scene like when they're both converging on it you're like oh he's right he's toast there was a uh and

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that's 30 minutes into the movie right I was all I was on Reddit and looking at some movie slides whatever and somebody

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had posted a picture of a clapboard that said like Blue Harvest or blue Dawn scene 17 blah blah well that's Empire

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Strikes Back or Jedi Jedi yeah and they did that because uh they didn't want

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companies over charging them for stuff because hey when you're Star Wars you got billions and they didn't want any of

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the press to know what they were doing and so they caught so that throughout the course of its life I guess it was called like Blue Harvest yeah right

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because nobody cares about Blue Harvest what the hell is that but Star Wars oh [ __ ] yeah that's right people were gonna mess up your stuff uh

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can I go back to the the the the scene where he comes out of the elevator yeah that was I just remember being so scared

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at that moment can you imagine this this nightmare that has chased you for you

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know in the first one and then the look on her face you yeah I just felt she

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sells it yeah and at that point she's dead because she's not getting on the elevator and she's at the end of a dead end hall

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right yeah she's moving over if this guy is the bad guy I mean that's like a scene out of a nightmare I mean it's a

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yeah they stay slow-mo it and everything it's anyway anyway I'm sorry no so we're done with money critics fans we're good

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but I mean like I said this thing killed it all right we're going to move into the mechanics now um

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again we do for any of those who don't know we do a breakdown of the movie based on Blake Snyder's uh save the cat

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beat system uh 15 beats it's a way to look at the movie and I'm not sure that

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Cameron used those beats I think they're all there but we'll talk about that when we get to it I think Terminator predates

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sure and and there are different systems of structuring moving I think maybe some

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of that went on anyway uh so now we're going to talk about the mechanics [Music]

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love it love it I thought this movie had all the Beats

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okay they're all there but I think around the third act they're nested

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within each other and we'll get to that when we agreed yeah like I going into it I'm like just gonna think about you know

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I've seen a thousand times and was in my head I was like all right this this speed is this this scene is this beat and then once I started watching it and

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doing it I was like oh well that's [ __ ] oh that's too late or that's too early or yeah there is a them uh

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called The Writer's Journey system which has all these same beats different names right it's and it's again a fast way to

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break a story but in that system he is infinitely more flexible about the placement of those beats than is Blake

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Snyder Blake Snyder says no page 15 no page 10 and and that's fine uh but the

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writer's Journey system says you can put them any way we want you know and he calls them different names and I think

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you could find all those beats in this and if if you're looking at that system then the flexibility of those beats is

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much more understandable and why some of these later elements are placed where they are no and I think Snyder I guess

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makes a good argument for the you know being so original in the Beats like he

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you know he thinks that you know equals a better story and a tighter story but

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also I think he's this whole thing his audience is is screenwriters right so he's pitching

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like here are the rules stick to this before you learn how to how to break them right and the rules first sure so

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yeah I think once you're established you can yes like you said move this stuff around a little bit if you want but uh

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so we can get into this I have and James had already briefly made allusion to it the movie does not start off with what I

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call an opening image it starts off with what I'm calling and James I think mentioned it a prologue right um You

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e of the rise of the Machines: 2029

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Connor is doing a voiceover explaining uh what's going on even there like uh I

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would say that the you know just you can see the difference in the budgets sure because like in the first one it was like a like a a crawl like uh with words

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and stuff on the screen yeah yeah you know word superimposed just kind of telling you what's going on and then this one like you know you have an actor

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yeah yeah uh two Terminators: 1984

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uh they tried to kill him she says and then a second when he was a child all that voice over over the future war that

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we're seeing which is you know again way more like than we saw in the first one we just saw little Snippets where you can tell the budget he's able to you

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know see more we're able to see more of that and I wonder if he did that because he wanted to show some of that like well we only saw that in the first Terminator

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through Reese's job yes it was very limited and yeah this is an actual scene

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yeah yeah yeah you see good guys getting killed you see them taking out Terminators like it's cool

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yes uh so we have this prologue which I do not consider to be an opening image

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it does not give us the before yep um I think it moves into setup

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before it even gets to the opening image so right off the bat I think some of these beasts because typically you would

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have the opening image uh the theme stated somebody's saying something what the the argument of this movie is within

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the for the first day 10 or 15 minutes of the setup and I think some of that is shifted around so I have the setup

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before the opening image the Terminator arrives you see the arrival of these Terminators uh and and I think one of

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the funnest scenes in the movie and certainly in cinema the Arnold's procurement of clothes and uh even to

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the song of Bad to the Bone it's just a very slick scene I love this I never get tired of this scene uh I liken it to uh

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and again A movie we will eventually review but probably the best opening of any movie ever is that opening sequence

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of Big Lebowski where not on the carpet man the whole the whole sequence of I think it's down there somewhere let me take a little that whole opening uh is

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brilliant and this I think is equally yes that's brilliant for fun and for ideas of value and yeah I feel like

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there's um you know I guess I it just you know we talked about this before it happens I think every time even though we've seen

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these movies a thousand times as we watch them kind of with the more critical eye we notice stuff right and one of the things I noticed uh here as

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we were talking about a little bit before a few minutes ago talking about it about the the reveal of Arnold being

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good or bad right I feel like there's some hints in there like he was preparing the the audience that he is going to be good yeah because also by

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this point in Schwarzenegger's career he's playing good guys he's not playing bad guys anymore so I feel like I noticed some hints the

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the first one my son pointed out the theme to The for the music right the theme

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um I always thought they were kind of the same maybe it sounds a little I could tell it sounded a little bit different but I was like all right well budget he's got you know more stuff to

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to do the song with my son pointed out that the theme is more heroic than the in the second one and it is the first

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time huh um so there's a musical cue right that it's a little bit different yeah and then in the original when he goes up to

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the guys he says give me your your clothes you know give me your clothes give them to

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me not yeah right here it's um I need right there's just subtle differences there but not give me but I need to

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close boots and motorcycle right yes um and then these guys attack him first

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they gotta blow smoke in his face right the guy tried to put cigarette out on on him yeah or does put it out on him where

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in the in the originals they have a couple of Wise Cracks then he immediately like shoves his fist through the guys yeah I don't think he kills any

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of these right I mean yeah I don't think he kills I mean they're jerks and they get what they deserve but it's so yeah

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just that and then the the play in the bat the bone right like you don't play Bad to the Bone on the Terminator from

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the first one no this is a slightly different no it's absolutely slick and cool man well the

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his body count is almost zero throughout the entire movie yeah I don't know if he actually kills anybody no because uh

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he's given the direction okay you can't later on to John yeah and body you know even with the cops you know human

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casualties 0.0 you know yeah that's after John tells him even before head

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ws he hadn't killed the the T-: 1000

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uh well he killed the cop immediately yeah when he came yeah yeah yeah yeah and even that they hide as far as the

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reveal they hide it like he looks like maybe he punches him in the stomach like you don't see like we know later on that he had a knife hand you know and stabbed

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him but we don't see it on screen that's true you don't then he puts on the uniform so you're like okay [ __ ] this okay

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cop uniform he's a good guy now this there is a bad guy there is a just a little bit of a discrepancy in the story

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logic here I don't think it's takes you out but okay so Robert Patrick right the actor obviously we want to see

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his face yeah now other times throughout the movie when he in person when he takes over he impersonates the person uh

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the the foster mom the the security guard why didn't he impersonate the car I didn't need him he didn't want to

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watch that guy throughout the movie right we we're they're paying Robert Patrick

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for his face so it also as a matter of fact whenever the cop drove up I'm like oh here Here Comes oh that's Robert

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Patrick yeah it wasn't then I realized wait a minute yeah so why they didn't have Robert he could have had Robert

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Patrick be the cop yes yeah yeah well to that you need a thread throughout the

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movie of one character you're following ideally he could turn into anybody at any time and just right jump through the

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movie and you would never know so it had to always go back to Robert Patrick

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this is the fastest resting face what an impersonate Arnold yeah and and

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I thought about that until just now probably because Arnold's because Cameron didn't think of it right and they were thinking about it 20 [ __ ]

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years later but yeah that's what it is totally should have done that he has to touch it or something yeah it definitely

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touches Arnold I mean they scuffle but true but when when would he ever be able to supplant Arnold at that point right

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when would he like we're jumping ahead but like when he takes him out at the end and then he turns into Sarah call to

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John now totally should turn in Arnold John come here the [ __ ] movie over and Humanity's done get over here now

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yeah you know what I mean like [ __ ] yeah that's really something I hadn't thought about it I didn't even think of that either but maybe Cameron did think

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of it and couldn't come up it was a [ __ ] way out of it let's not do that we were talking about that scene too well I never know but he says made a

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good point I was like why didn't he just use uh Sarah's voice because Sarah's there and she would have said no no John

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but why don't you just kill Sarah instead of you know tortured or kill her and then so there's a little squishiness

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what is what does Harrison Ford say this ain't that kind of movie yeah right and and and up till trying to

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analyze it I never even well yeah I mean well here it is what how many times we've seen it I've never thought about

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it so yeah okay I had a question uh what is his name again Robert Robert Patrick

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Yeah my question to Philip was in his audition did he just run because that's

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always we see him running so much well they say that the trivia that he had a

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rigorous running regime breathing through his nose yeah so he could appear more yeah you don't want to confident

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and when uh he's chasing uh chasing the dirt bike up the ramp yeah he was catching up to the dirt bike yeah they

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had to cut around him he was so fast yes I mean he that he does he really there's the his his uh

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body fat index that this movie is probably like negative two guys or even just his mannerisms when you know not

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just the running but just his entire mannerisms how he moves is very very cool and you know yeah no energy wasted

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and yes uh all right so we got the setup of the arrival of the Terminators I think at

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this point we do get uh an opening image uh two opening images because it's

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almost you're really following John and Sarah and they're the ones that I think are subject to change Arnold well we'll

27:58

get to that because I think it's we didn't talk about the genre but I I want to call this a buddy love and it's a

28:03

three-hander I think uh I forgot to mention that that's something sometimes we like to do is try to nail what genre

28:10

we think it is uh because there's change incomplete Heroes but I but I think all

28:15

three of them undergo A Change by the end of this movie but it's not a golden fleece well see I I I settled on buddy

28:22

love and I stopped looking but I I figured Chris would have something and you guys would yeah because I mean I know very limited about it so it's a

28:28

road that makes sense yeah it's a road movie and there's a cause they're trying to get away or else to Skynet or

28:34

whatever are you looking at look I was looking at buddy love so it's um it's about an incomplete hero who is missing

28:40

something physical School ethical or spiritual he needs another to be whole yep and then two a counterpart who makes

28:47

the completion that completion about um sorry he makes that completion come about or in the case of a three-hander

28:53

story about a triangle or a forehand or story about two couples right has qualities of the hero needs and then

28:59

three a complication being a misunderstanding personal or ethical Viewpoint epic historical event yeah or

29:06

the produce uh just disapproval of society yeah I think the Epic event I think it fits in there because I think I

29:12

because there are changes in each of these characters by the end each one of these is not the same as they are in the

29:17

beginning and that's where these opening image I think are are stark contrast as to where they are at the end I think they say that in the dialogue at some

29:24

point where he says that he learns uh learning learning machine is a learning machine so it sets it in there about

29:31

what the questions that he asks and the mannerisms and the things he takes on he definitely does change even though he's

29:37

a robot and I think I think John changes and definitely Sarah changes yeah uh you see that a lot in and I noticed this

29:43

last time that I watched it you see John develop into like this Misfit kid to a

29:49

budding leader like you can see it in him you know Mom Mom we gotta be and yeah I mean she goes off course and he

29:56

writes her yeah yes he teaches the Terminator it turns explain Terminator why you can't just go around killing people right yeah yeah so the opening

30:02

image for John is this delinquent parentless directionless he's absolute delinquent with no authority figures in

30:09

his life and doesn't want any she's not my mother Todd yeah she's psycho everything that he's known and grown up

30:15

and they get to it later you know running around with you know arms dealers and learning Spanish all of his

30:22

life that he's been prepping for when his mom gets arrested his life is alive

30:27

yes it's all a lie she's a psycho and so here he is psycho didn't you know yeah super talented kid super smart living in

30:34

a world where he's just an orphan yeah subject to No Authority now Sarah is just as he's parentless Sarah is

30:40

childless you know she's is naked without me so a parent without a child but she's very determined and but

30:46

detained and thought delusional so this is her resting state in the beginning yeah just uh buried deep never getting

30:52

out uh determined but full of uh anxiety and anguish about what she knows is

30:58

coming yeah I guess I just looked at it from John's point of view because I had it is like dude with a problem yeah um

31:03

and I thought about Golden Fleece like you're saying and just like I do what the problem is an innocent hero who's dragged into the mess without asking for

31:09

it or even aware of how he got involved yeah um a sudden event that thrusts are innocent end of the world of hurt and is

31:17

uh definite and comes without warning a life or death battle was at stake in the continuing existence of an individual

31:22

family group or Society is in question you'll see all that solid and and that's if and and if you really look at it I

31:28

mean so you're look you're thinking this is John Connor's story yeah yeah and I think largely that's true I felt like

31:35

that was the I don't know maybe the easiest and you know yes because you are

31:40

right they all three change yes um and uh and there's real I think real emotional

31:46

attachment by the end like at some point and we'll get to it but someone Sarah says uh he'll never leave him never yeah

31:52

out of all there would be fathers that came and gone he's the best in an insane world I know they're they're horsing

31:59

around and uh the family unit right I mean right uh and everybody was drunk and and hit him

32:05

or yell at him he'll never say he's too busy to spend time with him and as as

32:12

I want to say cheesy but it's by the end of this movie I'm still emotionally hooked even yeah last night comes up man

32:18

you know I just you know the cheese Works uh anyway uh all right so I'm I I

32:24

think I think if you're looking at it from John story and usually you need to focus on one character and I think it's John so I think you're right

32:31

um but all I think all three of these characters go through an arc uh now I'm calling this the opening image because

32:36

you see John and Sarah then I call it when he's in the garage revving the bike or whatever and she's

32:41

trying to get attention that's your opening image yes the whole the whole delinquency yeah okay yeah

32:47

she's not mine yeah right yeah yeah um yes now then then I say we move into

32:54

what I call setup too because uh you have the t2 I call them T1 and T2

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but it's T: 1000

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and at this point early on in the story The T800 Arnold uh is one step ahead of

33:12

him for now because he's already been to the house yeah and so is is a little bit ahead it's like you know just like what

33:18

two lines maybe and you could miss it like two lines and a look but I I really like it like I like again kind of the

33:23

misdirect he comes up and he's you know instead of your clothes your boots and motorcycle give them to me yeah the

33:29

] d: 1000

33:35

guy can't be the bad guy this is gonna be the good guy right right no they're like hey there's another guy looking for him too yeah big guy on a bike and then

33:41

you see on his says Robert Patrick sells you see the look on his face yes yeah I wouldn't worry about him really cool I

33:47

know I I really like Patrick in this movie I like him very he's been in a lot of stuff and he's really really good I

33:52

like him a lot absolutely uh John living off his son this is still what I'm calling the setup set up to

33:58

because it so so far I have a setup an opening image and then more setup and

34:04

and I think that's going to be a trend throughout this movie that the the Beats but like we already talked about I think

34:09

are rearranged a little bit uh John living off his wits short-term goals thinks his mom is psycho uh Sarah is

34:16

analyzed she needs to escape tries using her witch she tries to outsmart the doctor here he's he I think he his whole

34:22

motivation is I can write a book on this yeah I'm not letting her go ever he says it in the in the first one

34:29

um the same actor and everything right that same Psychiatry he goes uh when he's they get Reese when they had them

34:34

in the police station and he interviews Rhys and Reese is just like honest with them tells them and you know he's making fun of laser guns and he's like I can

34:40

write a career I can make a career off of this yes and then I like Kevin too he [ __ ] has yeah yes I think so so she's

34:46

not and so she at this point she's crazy technically he's alone right so I think

34:52

that she is trying and now does she intend to escape if she goes to minimum security

34:57

absolutely okay but she is right uh but he is he he does he's never gonna let

35:02

her go and I think at that point she realizes it um that's his Meal Ticket man right plus he doesn't believe it right so yes held

35:10

against her will desperate now we also get some setup at this point uh about Dyson at Skynet reverse

35:16

engineering and researching what we find out is the arm and the computer chip from uh first one the first one I like

35:22

how tight that seed was introducing him letting you know he has a family and kids what he's working on how advanced

35:29

they are and then boom they're out no no absolutely that is a tight little introduction scene yes the whole

35:35

sequence of all that we just talked about up to this point because I think we're about to get into the Catalyst but but now we know all the major players

35:42

all what they're doing and and it's I think it is like James said very tight very Compact and it and it just moves

35:48

and he doesn't know he's a bad guy he's just a guy right you know they I asked him one time you know what they told me

35:54

don't ask you're right yeah yes like so he's just a cog in the wheel but it's Humane advancing technology with it with

36:00

no idea of where well he's thrilled it gave us things we never thought of like he's even at the end he's still excited

36:05

and then he has to check himself yeah yeah right now when Alexa kills us um like yeah the guy that invented that is

36:10

like Dyson now he thinks it's great it's the greatest so what you're saying about the tightness of the scene what you're

36:15

seeing is writers of Fred Claus [ __ ] take note is that what you're saying oh okay yeah we're going we're doing that

36:21

all right Fred Claus writers be on watch gotcha I couldn't know because this movie is longer than Fred Claus It Is by

36:29

half an hour this is like a two and a half hour movie which I was but it's so tight little thing there's no fat on

36:36

this no no even the the prolonged action sequences ideas of value every five seconds I I really we'll get into that

36:43

um all right so that's what I have is the setup and the opening image we've established our characters in sort of the world anything else

36:50

at this point okay uh I have the Catalyst okay so John is at

36:57

the mall and his friend has told him a cop is looking for you so he's now escaping thinking you know the cops are after me for which crime right who knows

37:05

what yeah that kid instinctually lied to the cop he was gonna save the world that's right yeah no man I don't know

37:12

who that is I don't know who that is yeah uh yes so that's a good buddy man exactly yeah he lied to the cop in the

37:19

middle but hey John there's a cop you know scoping for you check it out yeah

37:25

bam it just knocks the [ __ ] out of him almost um yeah so the Catalyst I'm having is

37:31

the the T-: 1000

37:37

reveal where the T800 is the good guy yes the Guns and Roses right no that's

37:43

perfect yeah because you know I didn't even think I should answer the music video yeah I didn't even think about it to the music video that's awesome yeah

37:49

because they're playing Guns and Roses because he had to hide the gun some household yeah box roses why not but yeah didn't even think about gun that's

37:55

very nice you could be mine that's the name of the song yeah yeah no that's a great song uh uh wow Appetite for

38:01

Destruction is still one of the greatest yeah rock albums ever I mean there that that album is solid top to bottom anyway

38:07

uh anyway uh so this is what I'm calling calling the Catalyst now uh we all

38:18

at this point and then all of a sudden yeah you know and thinks his mom's psycho and he doesn't even believe the Terminator for stuff anymore yes he is

38:26

quickly going to get it go to school on that right now there is but I think there is some debate though

38:32

there is a debate section John because John sees this now obviously he's going to run because bullets are flying yeah

38:39

get down yeah but uh he doesn't think oh my mom was right this Terminator I need

38:44

to stay well he takes off so I think even though Terminator grabs him and shields him he's still like this so his

38:51

debate about accepting or not accepting this situation now it's fight or flight I understand but it begins here where he

38:57

is just I'm out of here no this is not happening I'm gone agreed Jim um but he acts

39:03

I think his his training beforehand with his mother because he doesn't act like a

39:08

normal 10 year old in that situation right he acts like a full-blown adult fight or flight get me out of here

39:14

there's bullets flying a normal 10 year old me I would pee my shirts and lay down and that's I think that right that

39:21

goes to what I was talking about earlier because this is 11 years later which means John can't be any more than 11.

39:26

right uh but we need to keep him I think the years off though I think it was made

39:32

in what 91 but I don't think it's 91 in movie time actually I know but uh I think it's but it goes from 84 to it

39:39

just says 10 years have passed so yeah Sarah slept with with uh

39:47

no I was just saying like and now it's it's not actually 91 but it doesn't matter we know how kids are made right

39:53

let's get into that how does that work well uh I got a sound effect for that I'm sure you do

40:00

um okay anyway it doesn't matter yeah yeah 90 95 96 but it's not your typical 10 or 11 year old to James's point right

40:07

yeah he's had training yes he is an 11 year old probably with the mindset of a 35 year old uh because of the everything

40:14

is yeah crazy wacko mother has put him through right that he thought was a lie now when he does uh so they're riding on

40:21

the bike but he does demand to get off the bike and and continue what I think is some of this debate yeah a huge

40:27

action scene are we not talking about that yeah no no but sure yeah uh but he

40:33

but he rides with us he wanted okay we'll get another thing off the bike comes to terms try to get a grip and figure so you can see him scrambling

40:39

mentally yeah you know like yeah his dialogue too to me was like the debate okay time out stop absolutely yes and

40:45

then they talk about it yeah yes which even then like I think um uh I think both these movies uh do this very well

40:51

um but that we're gonna review but hiding the pub in the pool hiding the exposition like

40:57

um and I think Cameron's really good at this I think he did it well in the first term Terminator yeah when Reese and Sarah or uh you know in a chase scene

41:03

he's explaining everything he's yelling at her explain everything what's going on yeah um they do it here too right

41:08

because it's why he's trying to you know and it's a little bit fun because the the audience if you've seen the first

41:13

one you already kind of know what a Terminator is John does not yes so he as he's realizing you know you're really

41:20

real and Military like he's poking him in the face and you know in poking like it's it's fun yeah no he is definitely

41:26

debating about whether he just you know slipped into la la land or this is real

41:31

you know right um get a crypt John yeah uh the the

41:36

stone cold delivery on the phone you know uh how's Wolfie your parents your false parents are dead your foster

41:42

parents are dead right um now Sarah gets her own dicks but we got to warn them Sarah gets her own

41:49

Catalyst uh we know we know who you know who this guy is she's she sees that the

41:54

Terminator has arrived right uh and so she gets her own and now there's no

41:59

debate with Sarah yeah when she's she knows and well that's the the cool thing we you skipped it a little bit

42:06

um when the foster parents are dead and he's saying we got to go get my mother yes we gotta go get her out I I

42:14

thought man as a 10 year old how cool would that be if you had your own Terminator they could do whatever you

42:19

wanted yeah and I think he comes to some of that conclusion yeah I've got you we know you're real let's go get my mother

42:25

right right right yeah cool my own Terminator right and that's not a priority in the tactically it is not a

42:32

priority and even Sarah says that you know yeah she's here myself you know right yeah you were stupid coming from

42:37

me or would it be a she's not a mission priority but [ __ ] you should priority to me yeah right right because now everything she said is true yeah now I

42:45

can love my mother and not think she's some kind of crazy right because his immediate reaction is oh my mother now

42:50

we're reunited and she's yeah like he doesn't even care that she's in a [ __ ] psych ward now it's let me go

42:55

break her out of that side right and she does not reciprocate to his sorrow immediately or whatever yeah so that's

43:01

her own no debate knows exactly what she needs to do yeah uh John accepts the truth learns the rules of owning a T1

43:07

and sets some rules himself so uh yeah so she he now sets these rules but

43:14

you can't kill people because of the two douchebags you know help because he he doesn't want he wants to get his

43:20

mother in the T1 doesn't T800 doesn't and grabs him hey let me go man and yeah

43:26

there's probably our douchebags but they didn't deserve right they were trying to help a kid Madness so that was a little

43:32

bit of a dick move on his part but Arnold T800 goes to kill the guy and stops him and sets some rules no you

43:39

can't kill anybody right well they also discuss like once he learns you know your first marriage yet he explains that

43:45

imitated them with the chief: 1000

43:51

just kind of describe himself or discuss himself as a pack of cigarettes no only objects could be concise yeah we have to

43:56

learn the rules of the rules of the world and I think it's hidden well I think it's good it is and then I understand but I wonder if even like

44:03

is like robot delivery I wonder if that like kind of helps sell I think it does

44:08

yeah that is not just two people talking you know he's getting half the information from her from a robot yes no

44:14

you have to learn the rules of yeah absolutely right um because he wants to go back home too or whatever to his foster home or we got

44:20

hatever and uh negative the T-: 1000

44:27

uh also clever writing on turning everything on its head you know because that's you know now the Terminator

44:32

that's why we if you've seen the first one that's how he operates now he's operating you know saving John from

44:38

committing those out of the city get out of the normal places you are yes

44:43

I have uh the break into two here orders the orders the T800 to join him in the second act we so they get on the bike

44:49

and they ride off to agree that's my breaking news yeah yeah um yes uh then we had him just joining Arnold

44:56

or whatever and then I realized no that's all debate and Catalyst and yeah because it's the big moment is going yeah because even order you to go yeah

45:03

we're gonna yeah you're gonna save my mom or whatever and Order you'd help me yes because even with the two two

45:08

douchebags or whatever he's still at that point he's trying to get away get off me get away from me I'm being kidnapped you know at that point he

45:14

wants to get away still in some kind of debate phase you know hasn't accepted jerk douchebag yeah

45:20

yeah this guy will you yeah yeah that that was like even the Buddy like

45:26

when he goes beat it or whatever when they come over there he's like man I told you like you know even the Buddies like didn't want to help at all

45:33

uh all right so uh fun and games now Sarah makes a break D2 gets to the

45:38

hospital uh T-: 1000

45:45

me if you want to that I've gone through that quickly but that's yeah those initial funny now I guess we didn't talk about the chase through the reservoir

45:52

prior to this it was I mean it that was on the motorcycle yeah it was just cool it's absolutely slick I mean like you

45:58

said you had mentioned to him uh tore on the shotgun with one hand like reloading it or whatever and shooting the fence you know every time it's in his way

46:03

nold's just shooting at the T-: 1000

46:09

Edward Furlong you know stops the bike and looks back over his shoulder and then booms over the bridge over the

46:15

bridge uh the ideas of value are absolutely Stellar in each of these set pieces I think yeah because Arnold's oh

46:22

go ahead sure no I was going to say he may not have killed anyone but he sure did cause a lot of property damage

46:29

yeah because he pulls that one and then the chase first starts he pulls out and then yeah there's this huge [ __ ]

46:35

pilot behind him yeah it cuts people off um so yeah we don't know that he didn't

46:40

kill somebody maybe somebody might have died nobody got hurt a lot of people there

46:45

are several prolonged set pieces in this movie uh why do you call them prolonged uh well I

46:52

think we could get to it I think the last third of the movie is a freaking set piece I I almost I will get well

46:58

that's your breaking three sir absolutely uh break into order they're

47:03

they're long but but not like they work to you they're not ideas of values yes okay 100

47:09

no fat in this movie like James said uh funny games we went through the fun and games the B story well I had one more

47:16

thing to say about them um the tunnel Chase or whatever yeah um I guess two more things like Arnold

47:23

elevated and he has to get down there so there's a scene where he makes the jump on them on the bike that would probably blow the tires but whatever but it works

47:30

he gets down there yeah and to me he's like it's one of those things you're talking about when you saw it as a kid

47:35

um just the I don't know remember the Because by this point you're on board Arnold's a [ __ ] good guy yeah he's

47:40

not just he looks Mando he's [ __ ] Terminator you know hell yeah um when he he's trying to get around

47:46

because the T100 is chasing in the truck chasing John and Arnold's behind him and

47:51

er and he can't because the T-: 1000

47:56

know just remember the I said every time I see it it flashes me back to uh when I was a kid the joy I felt when he finally

48:02

gets around it sure yes the music kicks in you know and that's that Hero theme coming in and then he grabs John off the

48:07

bike oh yeah it just lifts him yeah right yes right um the bike and then

48:14

John's bike goes underneath the truck showing you in case you haven't figured it out this is what the [ __ ] was about to happen right right uh smushed Conor

48:21

all over the cement yeah right uh for the Beast story um I I have I have a question mark the

48:27

T1 I think the T1 is the instrument of change both for John and to some degree Sarah

48:33

um but I think they change each other do you have a uh a Beast story yeah the mentor the the change character

48:40

because uh it almost has to be the t t 800 right I mean yeah

48:46

um even though they change him because he's learning right because back to the the buddy love type thing because they do have like a buddy love type

48:52

relationship yeah yeah and they bond or whatever um but even in a in a dude with a

48:57

problem there's got I mean the B Store there's got to be it's always a bee story yeah so uh I think I think it's

49:03

probably the T1 T800 whatever because I have but I love triangle three-hander is

49:08

what I wrote down there but but I think due to the problem if you're focusing on the main character of John you're right

49:14

um they're healing uh so then there's a scene after Jones almost a flat Arc in a way I mean like he goes from

49:22

yeah I mean sort of because he goes from being you know this lost you know delinquent right to like you said

49:28

becoming a leader but like those those are there those were always hidden yeah the message like he tells Arnold very

49:33

early on you can't go around killing people and then so he already knows that well before Sarah goes off the rails and

49:39

tries to kill Dyson yes so he's he changes them right so he's their B story in a way both Sarah and Arnold yeah yes

49:46

because he does change Arnold yeah and and Sarah and chose the mom because because mom's like you know that was

49:51

stupid of you to come to me and come and try to save me yeah he knows the value of human life already yeah so I think so

49:57

to your point if it's a flat Arc he was he was who he was and and sort of got

50:02

away from that because he thought it was deception and returns to who he was correct yeah so that that could be a

50:08

flat Arc now can you be the Beast story and the main character though right I mean

50:13

yeah because in a flat art you change the world around change the world around you yeah yeah that's true everybody else in the B Store yes okay yeah so he

50:19

changes the world he can have a central B story person but like but you're

50:25

absolutely right what you said a flat art character changes the world around it doesn't change himself right like Ted lasso Ted lasso is who he is and he

50:31

changes everyone else around okay all right very true uh there's a scene of healing up learning about each other you

50:37

know uh here is where I think so we're late on the theme stated but

50:44

but I was but I think there is one yeah um and again I think these beats are there but they're shifted

50:50

um Arnold T800 says something and then of course Sarah says so I'm having sort

50:55

of this is the theme stated weren't uh because John says to the T800 we're not going to make it are we and uh when he

51:01

sees his two kids I mean I mean I mean people right we're not gonna make it and then the T800 says it's in your nature

51:07

to destroy yourselves which I think is is probably some of the Thematic arm argument of this movie but I think Sarah

51:15

Nails it more because I think the movie goes from no fate which she carves into

51:21

the table to no faith but what we make right so it's the idea that this is

51:26

going to happen by the end of the movie it's it's it's open-ended now uh fate to

51:33

no fate but what we make yeah uh okay is what I'm nailing is sort of the theme here are is it in our nature destroy

51:39

ourselves and is that really our ultimate fate or can we because she says if a machine can learn the value of

51:45

human life maybe we can too maybe we can do so uh that's what I'm picking as the theme can't go around killing people why

51:53

yeah well I have a list because you just can't why yeah I love that oh you kill

51:59

that guy of course I'm a Terminator Okay yeah no no I just love that everywhere

52:05

uh all right so uh I guess more also sort of under the fun games we learn our

52:11

future History 2 14 p.m August 29th Skynet becomes self-aware is what I wrote down gets they get to Enrique's

52:18

and T800 is Uncle Bob uh they start to bond uh now in any time travel movie you

52:25

almost this is almost like a uh a Trope right some character will look at another character because Sherry hates time

52:32

travel movies because it does screw around you start thinking of the logic and you get into this spiral of Confusion And so almost invariably in

52:39

some time travel movie you'll have one character turn to another character and say don't even try thinking about it man just free it's time for you trying to

52:46

sort of say yeah we know this is gonna mess with your head just let it go John says uh the time uh when they're bonding

52:53

he says the whole thing messes with your head you know in terms of the yeah you're talking about sending his dad back or whatever

53:00

yeah yeah it messes with your head and that's the allude that's the subject because

53:05

reached it no he was his dad okay yeah all right yeah so at some point there is

53:12

this statement and I thought yeah well there it is and that alleviates the audience from having to be like oh my god what the logic of

53:19

it so I do have a stupid question pertaining to that sure so do they they

53:24

change the future then they think they think they have more all the sequels yeah well that's when I haven't seen the

53:30

sequels except for the last well they do at that at the end of this movie

53:36

I have a question though at the end of this movie essentially they have or is it like Final Destination where you

53:43

think you uh you did the whole thing messes again it's only going to catch up with you later I think they have changed

53:48

the future by the end of this movie Sarah believes it now I think there's a problem and we this is a good important

53:54

as any when they're in the steel factory and Arnold gets his arm cut off yeah they

54:00

leave it they leave it yeah and now I'm thinking you went through all this self-sacrifices the same more you can

54:06

pull it's it's smashed up more but you can pull the arm just like you did before yeah so I I I question that and I

54:11

and I and I'm hoping that's called Revenue stream sir Cameron knew what he was doing okay no I'm just playing noise

54:17

I haven't seen that before yeah is that how actually that never comes up it

54:23

comes up again okay and that's the problem um in Terminator in three rise of uh rise of the Machines actually one of the

54:29

things I really like about it is um we're gonna talk about John being raised as great military leader as he

54:35

says in the movie right and all these skills and stuff well after two if they stop everything then he almost has no

54:41

purpose he doesn't know what he's supposed to do with his life yes right and then he even loses his mom like Sarah dies has cancer or something yeah

54:48

um so I like where that picks up like that's his opening image is he's this loser who does now he's doing three yeah

54:54

he's a loser doesn't know what to [ __ ] do with his life because he was always told he would save humanity and stop Judgment Day and then that that

55:00

never happened because of the events from two sure um and then eventually Arnold shows up and he tells him that you know Judgment

55:06

Day is inevitable you just postponed it or whatever okay yeah I don't know if you don't make a sequel

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from too I felt like that was an interesting as far as the writers like I really like that's interesting way to go all right

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um but yeah I mean you gotta to have sequels you gotta come up with something and yeah it's amazing to me that no one

55:23

ever used that arm anyway because am I not wrong we you said that earlier the

55:29

chip and the Army is from the chips gone from Arnold oh that she was in his head

55:36

Yeah Yeah from the arm is from when the uh when he got squished in the master that Sarah led him into Terminator from

55:42

the first movie yeah okay because the guy said well I didn't ask where or he asked where it came from and he was told

55:48

no yeah right right you don't need to know things or something um yeah so at this point I think they're

55:54

bonding time travel unless we had they act as agents of change on each other Sarah describes the T1 as the perfect

55:59

father we sort of talked about that carves no fate uh into the desk into the picnic table you see these scenes of

56:06

family in love and these these familial scenes of family and love and children as the Enrique is playing with his kids

56:13

and everything just makes you can see it just makes her sad and tired because she knows

56:18

okay love your kids but you're all gonna die we're all right because there's no fate this is you know yeah it's

56:25

interesting to me that like she um uh yeah I don't I don't know I guess because reach was after all of it but

56:31

like just like she's more worn down and more like I said doesn't have fate and and what you know kind of what's I guess

56:38

what's going on and knows that she needs to stop this or whatever right where like where reach wasn't that worn down to me

56:44

um he was but he wasn't yeah I guess yeah it just it's interesting because she loses her way right yes or Reason

56:50

never did it's just it's I don't know well Reese was focused as a soldier fighting these things yeah whereas she

56:56

can only see he was after he was after he didn't see it he grew up in them and

57:01

she knows that for that to happen billions need to die yeah and that sucks yeah yeah yeah she has that weight where

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he does it yeah it was all after um the she has this dream sequence uh

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uh she sees almost a vision of herself playing with kids on the playground and

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in my mind she's thinking this would have been my life yeah had like she's wearing the same like uh hairstyle and

57:26

wages and she's basically the innocent playing with her kids and right doesn't look like you know like I mean because

57:32

she is lean and cut and yeah yeah big transformation yeah um seeing seeing what she could have

57:38

been come had none of this happened and and it's herself so she and and you can't hear but you can see her mouth the

57:44

words wake up wake up yeah she's sleeping but she's telling herself in that scene to wake up like no you know

57:51

you you people are walking through a world that is burning and you don't even know it you need to be you know

57:57

um in the in the director's cut there's more there's you know deleted scenes or whatever um there's a scene with Michael Bean

58:04

where he appears to her oh really yeah and says we're running out of time Sarah and all this when she's in the psych ward oh oh oh that's cool and she tries

58:11

to run to him and stuff and he disappears but he's got the same stuff you know uh clothes that he had on

58:17

from yeah so it's kind of cool uh they feel like you know you don't need it but you're right no I I mean Michael being

58:23

fans it's cool well I saw that it was two and a half hours and I I intentionally selected the theatrical version like I can't watch a four hour I

58:30

didn't know how long it was but like this I did not select the extended I think it's four hours it's not a Costner

58:36

film man well that scene where the bomb goes off I guess that's supposed to be Los

58:41

Angeles I don't know yeah I think so but that was awesome that was scary when I

58:47

was a kid I remember oh yeah yeah like oh my God no no it's a real nuclear footage yeah no it's uh yeah

58:54

it's very very well done all there's not a bad effect in this movie and a lot of these are are still practical effects

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of these yeah other than the T: 1000

59:07

guy yeah I think everything else is fairly practical okay uh so she wakes up

59:13

um and then she rides off to Dyson uh John in the T1 T800 Pursuit she's so

59:18

she's at this point has had enough she's going off and she is going to whack Dyson and take care of this she's gonna

59:24

blow him away yeah right right uh so what I'm calling to the midpoint so I

59:29

have a midpoint false Victory Sarah gets to Dyson and Hazard shot I say she gets

59:36

everything she thinks she wants but she can't she can't kill the last I'm calling calling it she can't kill the last of herself to do it it's like the

59:42

reason she doesn't pull the trigger is because she's going to kill somebody right you can't go around killing people

59:48

right and the kid is there and all so she has a she gets everything she wants she's that this will stop it false

59:55

Victory but she can't do it yeah uh now maybe that's a defeat but I think she gets there and is initially trying to

:: 00:02

kill him right so it's it's it's everything she's been living for her whole life now I can do it yeah calling

:: 00:08

it a false Victory is that would you ever do you have something else no that's that's what I had uh uh John and T1 arrive Sarah confesses

:: 00:16

so at this point she I think she to your point John steps up is sort of the leader because she's having an

:: 00:21

emotional breakdown right now where she can't kill the last of her Humanity to do this uh and she even says uh I almost

:: 00:29

meaning I almost killed that father and his kid you know yeah and she and John

:: 00:35

steps up to comfort her and at this point I think gets what he's been looking for the love of his mother she's I love you John and yeah she finally

:: 00:42

realizes you know you came to stop me so you are you know you aren't just this kid that are that's not listening to

:: 00:48

anything I'm saying right you're listening and now you're showing teaching me showing me you know you knew it was right and I didn't yes yes she's

:: 00:55

very terminator-esque you know when she's trying to when she's storming the the house yeah yeah and John that sort of has to rein her in later

:: 01:02

a little more constructive right uh Dyson gets a revelation they break the

:: 01:07

news to Dyson so at this point I'm calling it a false Victory midpoint um now here's where I think we have all

:: 01:14

the Beats but they're nested within each other because I have an immediate break into three at this point that's what I

:: 01:20

was thinking I thought the break into three was literally them walking across the parking lot with the bags of guns

:: 01:25

I'm like they're marching into yeah I didn't think that initially but um yes on one scrolling back and looking at it

:: 01:30

because I realized I had it later um yeah but yeah I agree that's they're breaking the three so you have this break into three okay and then if you're

:: 01:39

breaking into three you're looking for your high tower surprise you're looking for your storm in the castle and all that I think is happening here and then

:: 01:45

you have a bad guy's closing sorry I lied

:: 01:50

um I knew it didn't sound right uh I had midpoint false Victory um saving Sarah getting her out from the

:: 01:57

because the T-1000 was there out of the hospital yeah out of the hospital yeah because um because then everything else

:: 02:02

is bad guys it's bad guys closed in after that right um her losing her way going after Dyson

:: 02:08

yes but that but um yes I I understand uh that makes

:: 02:14

sense too early very early like because I think this midpoint is that is right at the hour 10 hour five minute Mark of

:: 02:21

a two two and a half hour movie with Dyson it is is that's the midpoint uh yes she gets to Dyson gets everything

:: 02:28

she thinks she wants the kill shot all nice and that Rings true and that's right at about an hour or so if you're

:: 02:33

talking about the midpoint of the movie and so I thought okay but but that but then they're breaking into three got to

:: 02:39

yeah no I guess I'm confused on my stuff no because yeah because I do feel like them going after cyberdeen is the

:: 02:44

breaking the three um but at one point I had it all right the SWAT closes in on them it felt like

:: 02:50

that guy's closed in it is it breaks into three and then you get your bad guys always

:: 02:56

lost in Dark Knight which should have happened before you're breaking the three right according to yeah right that's where I thought okay because I

:: 03:03

wrote that down I'm like okay this is going to be or the whole third of the movie is the third act but we don't get right and I

:: 03:09

thought well it's an action movie okay I guess I get that but then I was like wait a minute no no it's it's nested

:: 03:15

within the third act rather than coming before the third act in my opinion yeah because it even feels like a Stormwind

:: 03:20

of the castle cyberdyne has to be the castle right uh it has to be yeah that's where they

:: 03:26

destroy all that then they're golden that's where the stuff is that's where John gets to use his card technique yeah

:: 03:32

there's tons of uh tons of setup and payoffs yeah easy money and then the

:: 03:37

teaching Arnold all the all the the lingo of the day you know the 90s lingos with the he can then say it later on

:: 03:43

absolutely the stupid stuff like when he fixes the truck no problem no problemo yeah so the breaking the three going to

:: 03:49

cyberdyne storming the castle assembling the team Sarah John the T1 and Dyson as they're approaching the security desk there's your team there's the castle so

:: 03:57

they assembled the team and now they're storming the castle your Hightower surprise uh locked out because of an

:: 04:02

alert so everything is shut down they can't get in that's your I'm calling that your surprise John uses some

:: 04:08

previously learned skills like you were talking about a whole steel mill Factory uh action base after this year right yeah I know

:: 04:17

skills uh and the T1 T800 clears the parking lot right uh so you the

:: 04:22

execution of the new plan we're going to walk in there how many of them all of them I think yeah so so their plan was

:: 04:29

skip the keys shut it down blah blah blah high tower surprise well we're locked out the cops have arrived

:: 04:34

execution in the new plan Arnold's 0.0 casualties skills getting the key

:: 04:40

um now now bad guys close in right security alert at cyberdon cops are called send everything you got the t2

:: 04:47

shows up at the house learns of cyberdon building cops around cyberdyne cops infiltrate cyberdyne so the cops

:: 04:54

actually get into the building guess what yeah SWAT yes Dean Norris is one of those games yep yeah fall back fall back

:: 05:00

yeah he's the guy he's always yeah he's the Breaking Bad yeah yeah yeah yeah and leave the woman too but yeah he uh he's

:: 05:06

the one that sees Dyson when he's been shut up and he's holding the yeah well I still like that that even Dyson was

:: 05:11

holding this knowing hey we're gonna destroy this I don't know how much longer I can hold you yeah he gives tries to give him time to get it out

:: 05:17

right right I never caught that as a kid I'm like he's taking everybody with him right right so he's trying to do the

:: 05:24

right thing but you guys shot me right yes dicks so this is uh back in the

:: 05:29

Savior and you shot me yeah right yeah right and then I mean then sorry when when that explodes when he drops it the

:: 05:35

oh it does the exterior shot of the building blowing up and every single time I'm like glass who gives a [ __ ]

:: 05:42

about glass what do we say is that the same I said this feels very much like the even with the cops surrounding the

:: 05:47

place I said this feels very much like die hard and as soon as it blew up I said glass look at the [ __ ] about glass

:: 05:52

what do you need a whole shitload of screen doors that's what she says we're good I'm glad we're right there

:: 05:58

we're right there yeah but now but all I can hear is like John going there's a lot of glass out there all a lot of

:: 06:03

people who gives a [ __ ] about glass

:: 06:08

um so so bad guys including All Is Lost cops shoot Dyson and prevent the

:: 06:14

detonation I'm calling this so if we had a false Victory this is the false defeat right the cops have basically stopped

:: 06:19

this thing okay uh but that's a foster feat because going back with a different oils lost now here in a minute okay okay

:: 06:25

he's all over the place right well let me tell you the Dark Knight and then we'll see how you can correct this plate

:: 06:31

of spaghetti that I've made no no it's lost I think it's spaghetti they All Is Lost cops shoot Dyson prevent that

:: 06:37

Nation false defeat which has to be an opposite of the midpoint boss Victory Dark Knight of the Soul Dyson is dying

:: 06:42

and he knows it his dig deep down is dead man switch I don't know how long I can hold this right but he's now a dead

:: 06:48

man switch you better get out of here and he's digging deep down you know you're gonna die but you're still trying to fulfill the mission that's a big deep

:: 06:56

dig deep down and if ever right um so yeah so that's what I'm having as The Dark Knight of the Soul uh storming of

:: 07:03

the castle there's this line uh well storming the castle I'll be back Arnold again call

:: 07:09

back uh the keys call back the T1 I'm calling it the T1 Uber he gets the van

:: 07:15

or whatever he always crashes though like in the first one in the second one he says I'll be back and then he returns

:: 07:21

crashes that is absolutely true now there is this is a throwaway I don't know Sherry I had the movie

:: 07:29

wrong it's lost boys okay so they filmed Lost Boys in this guy's comic shop who actually owned the comic comic shop and

:: 07:35

they put him in the movie he's a guy way in the distance in the background playing pinball or something yeah uh who

:: 07:42

owns the cop the comic book shop that they're filming Lost Boys in and he should have just stood there and played his pinball as a background character

:: 07:47

and kept his mouth shut but he but he knew they were filming and he said something he says a line like tilt tilt

:: 07:54

I tilted he later in interviews because of grim one of the YouTube guys we watched went to the and talked to him

:: 08:00

and all this kind of stuff and he says I said that so that I could be in the movie that you would that you know you would hear me now you could say that was

:: 08:06

me there's this scene where Arnold is shooting the gas bombs at people and and

:: 08:11

knocking him down and yeah one cop runs away and he shoots him and he falls down and the guy says oh God it hurts

:: 08:18

do you remember this yeah I'm like dude that was not in script man

:: 08:26

James Cameron's over there just torturing his extras and that really hurt yeah cause you're not re-filming

:: 08:32

that scene to get that out of there now maybe you could I don't know if you could sound it out oh they could definitely sound it out yeah they would

:: 08:38

edit it out sound wise because I mean most of Edward Furlong was all voice over yeah

:: 08:45

I just don't have a different thought about it it's funny but um maybe it's there because like he's

:: 08:51

shooting these guys with [ __ ] canisters look how close right I'm sure I think it's there so you know he didn't

:: 08:56

kill that guy he's talking about the pain well yeah but you can see it bounce off and you see him shoot another guy

:: 09:02

and he didn't die and this guy was of Greater distance he ran away I think that guy was trying to get in the movie man he probably was oh God it hurts and

:: 09:08

it's such a lame lie it probably does hurt a lot oh God it hurts okay

:: 09:13

I I saw I listened to that I'm like um well I I so to get back to what you were

:: 09:19

doing all of your Dark Knight and dig deep down that was just for Dyson that

:: 09:25

wasn't for the entire yeah it wasn't wrong yeah um but you can't just switch well I know

:: 09:31

but but um they're having the flee right uh having basically been defeated yeah

:: 09:38

uh because it said yeah but Sarah looks at Dyson and they sort of nodded each other my question is uh is this one is

:: 09:46

this an instance where each character has a dark knight a dig deep down it

:: 09:52

could it could I mean I know that's not really yeah Sarah couldn't kill Dyson Sarah knows that Dyson has a kid and a

:: 09:59

wife and she couldn't kill him I almost killed a father and his kid and now she's looking at him and he's nodding

:: 10:04

and she's sensing okay this father is about to give up his life or something I drug his ass into right this is on me I

:: 10:12

think I think because I feel like because to me

:: 10:18

originally just thinking about this movie this wasn't saying a minute ago um my always lost in Dark Knight um so

:: 10:23

this kind of fits what we're saying Arnold has his own when he gets to temporarily defeated by the uh

:: 10:31

and he yeah he digs down yeah it has always lost the mission's not done and he's [ __ ] wiped out you think he dies

:: 10:37

for a second yep and then you know alternate power or whatever reroutes and like even like in a noise robot but I

:: 10:43

feel like when he's pulling the the the bar out like he has a look of [ __ ] disgust on his face like he's mad about

:: 10:49

it like I just got Mass whooped and yeah right no no I think so James's point I think I think he almost said that if

:: 10:56

they all have their own that's gonna be his because then he comes back and saves the day yes uh and he's a vacation and

:: 11:01

and John's could be you know because he's called because they separate like the team breaks up at the yeah and so

:: 11:07

John is calling my mom as he's being ushered away and now he thinks he's lost his mom and

:: 11:15

yeah absolutely yeah yeah so uh then then I'd say to your

:: 11:21

point Chris this we haven't gotten to the factory yet the finale okay so you

:: 11:27

have the break into three then the high top then the bad guys lost dark knight uh which leads to the finale but the

:: 11:34

finale is a good chunk of the movie right yeah uh T-1000 on the trail he

:: 11:39

gets in a helicopter well okay I just thought about this all right so if getting Dyson and going to cyberdyne is

:: 11:45

like a false Victory right because they get there they Yeah well yeah they're gonna they're gonna blow it all up and

:: 11:51

and save this humidity and then SWAT shows up false alarm T-1000 shows up so

:: 11:56

that's all bad guys close in they're breaking the three is get the hell out of there alive with still the the chips

:: 12:01

and stuff they don't know at this point what they're going to do they're just trying to get away from them okay this was a question and that's their breaking

:: 12:08

the three maybe you know initially I thought this was a pothole because I'm I'm looking at Sherry because I'm

:: 12:13

analyzing this thing now before I didn't care hey shiny Parts popcorn popcorn yeah but they take the arm and the chip

:: 12:20

away from a building that they are decimating yeah why then they act like

:: 12:26

they don't know what they're gonna do with it now I think that is answered because Arnold on the road says take the

:: 12:34

exit yeah I think he must know that those the steel factory is there and that they can burn this thing up and

:: 12:40

maybe that was always a plan they just never said it

:: 12:55

I doubt that because they walk in and there's like a vat of molten steel that

:: 13:01

they look at yeah they should have dropped it in right there yeah right there got your [ __ ]

:: 13:06

I said how they got there they were going down the road and he said take this exit I mean it was just yeah so

:: 13:12

there is all this because I was willing to give him a pass that Arnold knew take the exit because he wants but I feel

:: 13:17

like but even at the factory they barely made it the truck smashed in all the stuff I think that was the last minute hey take the exit

:: 13:24

that's what I'm saying yeah Mills are there in America

:: 13:30

certainly there's four thousand seven hundred yeah well California is not known as this as the Rust Belt like if

:: 13:35

you're talking steel U.S steel Detroit and all I don't even know if there is um

:: 13:41

there's clearly well there was one until this happened yeah apparently covered up now I think I saw in the trivia this was

:: 13:48

an active area that they filmed in sure I don't know where that location is but that was an actual no no I'm sure the

:: 13:54

building uh I I don't know if I read this or heard this somewhere yeah I mean what if they found a [ __ ] meat

:: 14:00

factory you know instead of a steel mill yeah what were they gonna do can we freeze this stuff yes I mean yeah so I

:: 14:07

tend to think well damn man he just punched a bit I know I was a little disappointed when I started asking those questions why are you taking the arm and

:: 14:14

the chip because one little line from [ __ ] Schwarzenegger could have solved that sure you know the metal will not

:: 14:19

burn and you know what I mean like it doesn't get hot enough we need to find something you know Source that's hot or whatever right I'm willing to get one

:: 14:25

from him could have saved that well I'm willing to give him a pass on the building okay you're gonna blow this building up that's for all the computers

:: 14:30

and papers yes that's going to definitely be destroyed we can't guarantee we know it won't burn from the

:: 14:35

first one because they blew his ass up and he came back out his skeleton yes you know it won't burn I can't from a

:: 14:41

bomb like that we can't risk that the armed chip are going to be destroyed in this building yeah and they don't find

:: 14:46

it in the rubber just so they were on a mission to destroy it yes they didn't know they could melt it they didn't know

:: 14:52

that there was a Foundry they were just looking to destroyed yes they didn't have a plan on you know we

:: 14:59

got to get this away from cyberdyne yeah now [ __ ] team 1000 that first we gotta run well because it was in John's backpack yeah he was already exiting yes

:: 15:07

they were taking it away to get it out of the hands of cyberdon but I don't think they had a plan on how they at some point when the when the dust

:: 15:13

settles they'd be like well how do we get rid of this stuff right and then and then so so I'm willing to give them a

:: 15:18

pass on that yeah but they didn't have a clue because fake you know and then like to

:: 15:23

your point why didn't they just Chuck it in there when they did that was James's point when you first arrived yeah

:: 15:32

let's go to you know the Chili's uh does the Schwarzenegger doing a

:: 15:38

cannonball like grabbing the backpack and just dipping himself yeah okay film row credits I think we can smooth it

:: 15:43

over but there is there is some squishiness there that's funny [ __ ] yeah see that in my head now gun involved and

:: 15:49

he goes in there and then [ __ ] T1000 here in there wait what just happened you know dude no I have to open this it was my

:: 15:56

purpose um how it should have been that's what we just did there uh so all this this

:: 16:02

extended set piece uh I call it roadway road rage you know the battle on the highway I

:: 16:08

really like Arnold marching up to the windshield of that I love it that's very good yes of course feeding him he's

:: 16:15

trying to shoot him with the with the grenade launcher or whatever and then he Rams them to him and the [ __ ] thing ends up in the the last bullet is in the

:: 16:21

back of the bed of the truck so then he grabs the [ __ ] drive M16 is just sitting there driving then yeah Force

:: 16:27

feeds and loads his ass right there his face yes love that scene as a kid and love it now oh I still love it then he

:: 16:33

turns the wheel and crashes the truck yes uh T1 gets a new ride uh this is the

:: 16:39

maximum velocity of this vehicle right I could get out and run faster than this that's right uh Ice Road Truckers I call

:: 16:45

it the the the the the truck with the uh CO2 or whatever in it um now uh this is what I was gonna say

:: 16:52

uh Roger Siskel and Ebert they used to do movies well Cisco uh had a name for

:: 16:59

the place they go uh he calls it uh your spark Factory in fact Factory that seems

:: 17:05

to have no purpose except to make sparks and that's essentially this you know yes it says steel but it's just it's a spark

:: 17:11

Factory yeah the Cisco would say it's a good that's a good deal yeah that's true um one thing I noticed uh

:: 17:18

just during this Chase when he chasing with a helicopter right um and they're in the uh in the SWAT van at this point

:: 17:23

before they get into the the 18-wheeler in the um in the little [ __ ] trust yeah

:: 17:29

they passed the the 18-wheeler yeah yeah they do because he honks at him so like the the one carrying the uh the uh not

:: 17:37

nitroglycerin the uh CO2 or night what was it uh I think nitrogen yeah they

:: 17:43

passed that truck I never noticed that again one of those things you've seen this thing a thousand times and yeah they pass it oh I I chuckled out loud

:: 17:50

when uh they're in the SWAT van and he just hits the brakes and the helicopters and you don't catch right before that

:: 17:57

right before the smash when he's shooting at Sarah he's shooting with two hands and driving with a third yeah I

:: 18:03

didn't notice that it's real quick he's got four hens for the whole

:: 18:08

apparatus is Four Hands two were two are scary and one and two are shooting yeah I did not I don't know it's real quick

:: 18:15

edit and they probably cost them millions of dollars right you can see more in the in the director's kind of where okay it's very clear what's going

:: 18:21

on there you're right James says it is four and Stan Winston the the yes we're the same guy that did the thing and yeah

:: 18:27

I did just all the other stuff yeah Stephen Winston's great no but again like and he I mean he could always he

:: 18:33

outmatched Arnold you know pretty easily but I just thought about something now like if you can generate extra hands why

:: 18:38

didn't he like go four hands on Arnold and like beat him up beforehand well uh you know sure yeah

:: 18:43

um we don't have the budget for that Jim okay got it let's just do like a little kind of movie kid yeah exactly uh yeah

:: 18:49

so uh he freezes he gets shattered uh says the cool line the payoff yes

:: 18:55

disassembling the team Clash of The Terminator Titans again another fight uh the team disassembled again Sarah gets

:: 19:01

pinned down doesn't uh the whole point where the Terminator is torturing her and yeah there's lots of reverse I mean

:: 19:09

there's lots of reversal throughout the whole movie but yeah um yeah they freeze him and like when he comes out of the after the truck has crashed and he's

:: 19:15

walking like it's very reminiscent of Arnold coming out of the truck that's on fire in the first one yes and then he

:: 19:21

freezes also if he still goes into a bunch of pieces and then the pieces [ __ ] started like God damn this dude's oh no yes it is coming back very

:: 19:27

very cool let's go now Arnold gets ran through the back and it goes out

:: 19:33

alternate power uh the t2 assumes does he assume sir yeah yeah yeah yeah I

:: 19:41

was played by her twin sister yeah yes uh send me with the fencing yes uh then

:: 19:48

they say it does her thing and then Arnold uh is able to get him into the liquid steel right T2 is cooked yeah she

:: 19:56

had one more shot and then she would have been golden yes yeah but she runs out then he does the you know finger no

:: 20:02

no no kind of thing right uh uh I have reunited and it feels so lousy so all

:: 20:07

the team is together but Arnold has to go and John doesn't want him to all three have undergone the change uh

:: 20:15

affecting each other because uh the Terminator at this point seems that he

:: 20:20

has grown close to through his learning close to John John is very emotional about losing the Terminator Sarah has

:: 20:27

has uh embraced her son and and and maybe has hope for the future now they

:: 20:32

have there's three instances about Tears like when Joan and uh within the car they just saved Sarah from the uh from

:: 20:39

the psych ward yeah and they're arguing or whatever and uh Terminator looks at John in the very emergency what's wrong with your eyes oh yeah yeah yeah nothing

:: 20:45

yeah then later on they talk about the crying or whatever and explain it you know and pain causes it ah no you know

:: 20:52

so they talk about it then yeah the payoff fears you know I I now know why you cry but it's something I was it

:: 20:58

almost reminded me of like an 18 moment where E.T points it right Elliot's heart right here yeah wow his own heart ow oh

:: 21:05

you know yeah it gets me every time you make me cry too but anyway you may feel now I'm seeing Arnold I will be right

:: 21:12

here no but this is I was still on board with the

:: 21:18

whole thing man yeah you know when Josh is going to I ordered you not to go or do you have to go yeah it's no no it's I

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remember I was a kid I was pissed and upset I'm like you can't do that to he's the hero you can't do that I mean I get it now as an adult right and it's

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working so well for us at that age we're John going what the [ __ ] yeah yeah we

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love this guy yeah we had our own Terminator yeah right uh the unknown future closing image facing it with a

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sense of hope maybe we can learn the value of human life and I have basically like I said before from no fate to no

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fate but what we make it with the shot of the road meaning the future is uncertain you know we're on a new road

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here or whatever because my closing image all three have grown I think you know and anyway yeah yeah it's a fantastic movie you know the

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I think going back to what you were saying that that the soundtrack sounding more uplifting morning yeah more heroic

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when he goes down yeah it's even playing I don't know about that thank you for yeah yeah it plays the theme yeah which

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was like the bad guy team in the first one that plays the theme as he's going lowering himself down yeah yeah yeah oh

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remind me another note um it's just interesting when we first see him he's kneeling and he rises and

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the last thing is he's just oh that's cool yeah you know that's good good direct good book end of drill yeah yeah

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just it it closed out so nicely I think I think this is a one of the greatest action movies ever I think it's also

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very in a lot of ways it's very intelligently written I think these are some maybe some squishy Parts

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but but you'd be hard-pressed to find a movie that's yeah pristine and it's story logic but I even so I I this is

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the you analyze it yeah but if you're in for the popcorn like I've never paused or had a had a moment's thought about

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anything in this movie up until this time when we're sort of analyzing it I I watched this movie a few times and

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watching it the first time with a critical eye I was like oh man I gotta watch this again because that's when I

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caught oh we didn't know that with Schwarzenegger stepping out of the elevator Sarah Connor I never realized

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she didn't know the bad and it was it made so much more sense it was even more

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enjoyable the more I watched it with a critical eye so great popcorn movie great well-written movie I think so yeah

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yeah all right are we ready to uh do our pass consider yeah

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that little snippet is called The Showdown and I thought well that's appropriate anyway like I uh it reminded

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me of the good bad absolutely uh should all be shifting eyes at each other that's what I'm saying Christina pass

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consider recommend I absolutely this the way we've talked about this I recommend

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this movie is a go-to and it has never failed from

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the moment it was made it it was as good today as it was when I first saw it I love it I recommend this as an action

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movie as a porno movie as just a good story I think it's uh two and a half

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hours I was never bored never felt like I was watching the two and a half hour movie yeah I totally agree with that

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it's a great movie pass yes for sure no not pass pass this

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movie off no uh strongly recommendations in this movie

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even if you haven't seen the first one still stands on its own I think you're given enough information where it's a standalone I really love terms same here

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I love the first one but yeah that'd be interesting to like watch the second one first and then go back and watch the first one uh yeah because I think you

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might I mean if you like if you haven't seen what I mean like watch the second one first like yeah I think you might lose something like wipe my memories I

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could do that just see how that's what I did because you know I was so young and saw Terminator 2 first I think if I

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don't I have no recollection of watching Terminator before that would you get the sense of the Menace of the Terminator if

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you hadn't seen the film you know not in the second one but in the watching if

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you haven't seen the first one would you think what is she afraid of yeah right you wouldn't get it all yeah well watching the original I was like

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Schwarzenegger's the bad guy and oh this is like a horror movie yeah it plays like a horror movie yeah some more

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action yeah like they're two two totally different themed um feeling movie somebody was saying

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that about uh because I was looking at Alien aliens and somebody had made the

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remark uh well alien is a horror movie and Aliens is an action movie well Cameron he didn't have anything to do

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with alien right now right correct but but but even with the Terminators he went from what arguably is a horror

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movie you know to to more of a Mainline action movie uh same with Alien aliens I

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think aliens is more of an action than a horror even though when I first saw scared the [ __ ] out of me you know right anyway now he's making horrific movies

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um wow yeah that's uh obviously 100 recommend for me on this um yeah I think

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it's one of the greatest you know action movies ever made yes and yeah I'll take even though we talked about the you know

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then maybe not having a plan on how they were going to destroy the arm and stuff I'll take that over fluorescent flauna

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and [ __ ] sure McGuffin called unobtainium any day of the week well I think they in terms of the arm they they

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had every intention of destroying it they knew Skynet couldn't have it they couldn't risk the explosion and so they were going to destroy it when the dust

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settled right they happened along happy coincidence into this Factory which I

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think story logic is not something you can block at it that's fine again it holds up more than [ __ ] unobtainium

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it's movie Magic it's always yeah it's fun so yeah Sherry oh yes I recommend

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um even though you said it before I do not like time travel and I try to block

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that out of this hole yeah this movie you know try to not think about that

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um you have to of course in the first one when his father comes back but anyway um

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uh it is one of the best action movies I think I've ever seen oh yeah no I I do

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love it and one reason I do like it better than the first one is because I

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like that Arnold is the good guy sure yeah yeah Arnold was very young in the first one even I mean yeah um

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yeah and probably had not had a lot of speaking Parts in Prior movies not a ton

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maybe yeah he spoke not a lot he speaks very good English right but I think

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maybe even at that point they were like this Austrian his name was hard to sell yeah he was in the scavenger hunt

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for a brief second that's a movie yeah it's a decent movie but Hercules comes to New York I think was his first one or

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something like this all right Terminator 2 was everybody hitting their

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stride all at the right oh this everybody at their Prime man Arnold never looked cooler than he does in this movie man I'm kidding all right we good

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yeah all right I think we are done and we are out he may not have killed anyone

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but he sure did cause a lot of property damage I think this I think the series has gone

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off the rails on more than one occasion yeah he's like oh happy life cars and everything and then there's death of

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Destruction I just remember being so scared at that moment well it's just a

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very slick scene I love this there is a just a little bit of a discrepancy in

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the story logic here in his audition did he just run I like how tight that seed was

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can't go around killing people why yeah well so he's trying to do the right thing but

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you guys shot me right yes dicks because she says if a machine can learn

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the value of human life maybe a weekend too maybe we can do so