A Cinematic Dissection: The Flaws and Triumphs of 'Karate Kid 2'
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The current episode delves into the cinematic exploration of "Karate Kid 2," emphasizing the film's thematic undercurrents of honor, legacy, and the evolution of personal relationships, particularly between Daniel LaRusso and Mr. Miyagi. The discussion begins with an analysis of the film's opening scenes, which establish a sense of expectation and the weight of familial ties as Mr. Miyagi returns to Okinawa after receiving news about his ailing father. As the episode progresses, we scrutinize the contrasting dynamics of past relationships and new challenges that arise, particularly with the introduction of the antagonist, Sato, and his nephew, Chosen, whose aggressive actions serve as a catalyst for Daniel's growth. The speakers express a nuanced appreciation for the film's narrative structure, while also articulating critiques regarding its pacing and the balance of romantic elements against the backdrop of martial arts. Ultimately, we reflect on the enduring legacy of the "Karate Kid" franchise and its impact on contemporary culture, inviting listeners to consider their own connections to these iconic characters.
Takeaways:
- The podcast episode thoroughly discusses the contrasting tones and themes present in both Karate Kid films, emphasizing the importance of character development over mere action sequences.
- Listeners are encouraged to appreciate the nuanced relationship between Daniel and Mr. Miyagi, which serves as the emotional core of both movies.
- A critical analysis is provided on the pacing of Karate Kid 2, with particular attention to the slow unfolding of the love story and its impact on the overall narrative flow.
- The speakers reflect on how Karate Kid 2 differs from the original, noting that it lacks the same level of excitement and engagement, while still presenting valuable life lessons.
- The episode highlights the significance of honor and forgiveness within the storyline, particularly in the character arcs of Sato and Miyagi, framing their conflict within a broader moral context.
- Listeners are invited to consider the cultural impact of the Karate Kid series, as it resonates with themes of mentorship, personal growth, and the philosophy of martial arts.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Karate Kid
- Cobra Kai
- Terminator
- Rocky
- Ghostbusters
- Half Price Movies
- Movie Trading Company
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Transcript
At this point in the movie, I'm like, okay, well, here's what you should have done.
Speaker A:And I'm thinking, yeah, right.
Speaker B:It's one of my favorite openings ever.
Speaker A:And I've watched that alternate ending, and it is garbage.
Speaker C:It doesn't go where you think it's going to go.
Speaker D:There's a monster.
Speaker D:I am.
Speaker D:I'm ready for it to be over.
Speaker B:Well, I'm not sure I can even fully explain why I love this movie so much.
Speaker A:I had some issues with the scene.
Speaker C:My feelings on it have not changed.
Speaker D:I fell asleep until the scream.
Speaker D:This is actually where I started enjoying the movie.
Speaker A:This is one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema.
Speaker C:I thought that should have been cut.
Speaker A:Well, I'm sure it's artistic and you just don't get it.
Speaker A:All right, we're back.
Speaker A:What are we doing?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Four friends in a movie.
Speaker A:Fellowship of the Real.
Speaker A:This is second season.
Speaker A:We're doing sequels.
Speaker A:This is another in our series of sequels.
Speaker A:We did Terminator 2, and now we're doing Karate Kid 2.
Speaker A:This was Chris's pick.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Do you like this movie?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I love this movie.
Speaker B:I love this movie.
Speaker B:I'm a very big Karate Kid Karate Kid fan.
Speaker B:So a couple different things on it.
Speaker B:We kind of talk a little bit, I guess, off air about it.
Speaker B:When we decided to do sequels, some of my, I guess, thoughts going into this were I didn't want a sequel that where the.
Speaker B:The appreciation for it or even maybe some of the story points, like, if you haven't seen the first one in a while, you may not understand, you know, get all the story points or, like, I didn't want you guys to feel obligated to go back and have to watch the first one before you watch the second one.
Speaker B:And you guys do that a lot, which speaks to your dedication.
Speaker B:But I just.
Speaker B:I didn't want to put you in that situation.
Speaker B:So I remembered, all right, Karate Kid and Back to the futures.
Speaker B:Those both have, like, these little recaps before even the Rockies have recaps.
Speaker B:And we already did Rocky, too, so I didn't want to do another Rocky sequel.
Speaker A:Ye.
Speaker A:Now, the guy who did Rocky directed the first one, right?
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker A:Or something.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And this one, he directed all the first three Karate Kids.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Same director.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, so it should hit you in the same feels, sir.
Speaker A:Well, Rocky and Karate Kid 1 do.
Speaker C:Well, that makes sense because Karate Kid 1 and 2 had a very Rocky vibe to it.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:No, I.
Speaker C:I didn't know anything about that.
Speaker C:Like, and that's exactly what I thought was this movie.
Speaker C:It feels structured a lot like.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:The dramatic parts of Rock where the big battle at the end is almost not even like just a part, a piece of the story rather than the whole drama.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Of it.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:That's what makes Rocky and Rocky 2 so good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's not all about fight, fight, fight.
Speaker C:And, you know, with a title like Karate Kid, you'd think he's just out there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Kicking butt all the time.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And just, I don't know.
Speaker B:I probably analyzed it way too much as far as the sequels and what to pick.
Speaker B:I found it a lot harder than I guess.
Speaker B:And I thought it was gonna be because, like, I didn't want to do Indiana Jones Symbol of Doom because we hadn't done raiders yet.
Speaker B:Weapon 2 or even Empire because we haven't done any Star Wars.
Speaker B:You know, we haven't done Lethal Weapon.
Speaker B:And I feel like those, you know, those are banner movies that will probably get picked at some point or have to get picked.
Speaker B:And again, I don't even know if that matters.
Speaker B:I was probably overanalyzed thinking about it too much.
Speaker A:Well, we're going to do Star Trek 2 when we get to my pick.
Speaker A:And we haven't watched any Star Trek.
Speaker B:Star Trek.
Speaker B:It's not Star Wars.
Speaker B:Okay, shots fired, sir.
Speaker A:It's a mute mic three now.
Speaker B:No, that's a very good point.
Speaker B:And I, you know, Star Treks have.
Speaker C:An overall arc, don't they?
Speaker C:Because not but a year ago or so where I watched all the Star Trek movies and I never realized.
Speaker C:Oh, they take place consecutively.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Except I don't know if one.
Speaker A:One is terrible.
Speaker A:Anyway, we'll get into that when we talk about Star Trek, but.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker B:But no, that's a very good point, Phil.
Speaker B:Like I said, that speaks to.
Speaker B:You know, maybe I was thinking about this, too.
Speaker A:Well, they say this, that, like Star Trek 2, Rathicon is one of the greatest sequels ever.
Speaker A:And I don't know if that's because Wrath of Khan is a good movie, which it is.
Speaker A:Or whether Star Trek 1 is just so bad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Maybe that anything.
Speaker A:Star Trek to Rathicon is what is.
Speaker A:Is what really Star Trek.
Speaker B:And I've heard that and I've seen it.
Speaker B:It's been a long time.
Speaker B:But also, I guess to defend it a little bit, even if one, you know, is kind of bad, you've got all the.
Speaker B:How many years the.
Speaker B:The show ran before.
Speaker B:Wrath of Cron is like a sequel to the show Right.
Speaker B:Because it's all the same people.
Speaker B:Nimoy and all of them were on the TV show.
Speaker A:It's a sequel to an episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, because they meet.
Speaker A:They meet Khan in an episode.
Speaker B:Yes, but they were.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:But it's all.
Speaker A:And they put him on the.
Speaker A:On the planet.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Everything happened on the show.
Speaker B:Still happened with.
Speaker B:Once the movie started.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:With Shatner and stuff.
Speaker C:What movie are we reviewing?
Speaker D:Well, wait, I want to make now the one I haven't picked.
Speaker D:We haven't done the first one.
Speaker D:But I just like to me, the one I picked if I don't know if I should name it or not.
Speaker D:The Ghostbusters afterlife.
Speaker D:I think the reason I picked it is that's what a sequel should be.
Speaker D:However many 30 years later to me.
Speaker A:There'S Ghostbusters and then Ghostbusters Ask for life.
Speaker A:All that other crap is.
Speaker A:It's like the Terminator thing.
Speaker C:I like Ghostbusters too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I like the one with the chick sucks.
Speaker B:But the two I like.
Speaker D:It's okay, whatever.
Speaker B:I mean it's not as good as the.
Speaker B:The first one, but.
Speaker D:But we haven't reviewed the first one.
Speaker D:But I think everybody.
Speaker D:Yeah, I'm probably on the planet.
Speaker B:I heard about it too much.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I probably overanalyzed it too now.
Speaker C:Well, that's like I look for any excuse like for this.
Speaker C:We're doing the sequels.
Speaker C:I will watch the Star Trek movies again.
Speaker C:I will watch Ghostbusters.
Speaker C:Ghostbusters.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I love, I looking.
Speaker C:Love looking forward to just revisiting all of it.
Speaker C:So Terminator 2 get a chance to watch Terminator?
Speaker C:I didn't watch the other ones, but I'm such a fan of these movies that I'd like to absorb everything.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure.
Speaker A:No, I wanna, I like to get the company.
Speaker C:I like to invite, you know, invite our listeners to do the same thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, I just added another note that I guess swayed my decision is I just read Ralph Macchio's biography.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:About you know that it's called Waxing Waxing on.
Speaker B:And it's about his relationship with this movie and Daniel LaRusso.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it was on my mind, itching to watch him again.
Speaker B:I had the opportunity to do it on podcast.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:When I bought this, the guy selling it to me at half price Movies Movie trading company.
Speaker C:He was Cobra Kai.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:I'm like, what?
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:And I know that the show exists.
Speaker C:I just haven't watched the show.
Speaker C:Roddy kid was in my childhood.
Speaker C:I haven't watched this in years and years and years.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Probably since I was so.
Speaker C:He was like, oh, you know, Cobra Kai getting back on together.
Speaker C:I'm like, no, no, I'm just.
Speaker C:Just buying these.
Speaker C:And, you know, again, I watched the first one.
Speaker C:I watched the second one.
Speaker C:I've got Karate Kid 3.
Speaker C:I doubt I'll watch that one.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I guess that I have.
Speaker B:It also speaks to where we're coming from.
Speaker B:I've seen the first four seasons of Cobra Kai at least twice, and I've seen the new season, so.
Speaker B:Big fan.
Speaker A:All right, well, do you have the synopsis or anything of this?
Speaker B:I don't have the synopsis.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, do you got it, Sherry, or.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:While she's looking that up.
Speaker A:Sometimes we skip this, Sometimes we get it.
Speaker A:Do we?
Speaker A:What are you calling is the genre?
Speaker A:I didn't get the genre either.
Speaker C:Golden Fleece.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, because I.
Speaker C:I think I nailed that when I thought, hey, this reminds me a lot of Rocky.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And Rocky was a Golden Fleece.
Speaker C:And then I kind of watched it like that.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what I think it is.
Speaker B:Just as a reminder, Golden Fleece is number one.
Speaker B:A road spanning oceans, time, or across the street.
Speaker B:So as long as it.
Speaker B:Long as it shows growth, it often includes a road apple that stops the trip cold.
Speaker B:A team or buddy.
Speaker B:The hero needs to guide him along the way.
Speaker B:Usually it's those who represent the things the hero doesn't have.
Speaker B:Skill, experience, or attitude.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Then three, a prize that sought into something primal.
Speaker B:Going home, securing a treasure, or regaining a birthright.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, no, I think there's definitely some of that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that makes sense.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:You got the synopsis?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And please, I'm not going to pronounce Mr.
Speaker D:Miyagi's real first name.
Speaker C:Pat Morita.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But there's another name, right?
Speaker C:His actual name.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:After learning that his father is dying, karate master Mr.
Speaker D:Miyagi Pat Morita returns home to Okinawa, bringing his protege, Daniel Ralph Macchio with him.
Speaker D:In Japan, Miyagi is surprised to discover that his old sweetheart, Yuki.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Has remained single.
Speaker D:Meanwhile, Daniel is attracted to Yuki's niece.
Speaker D:Oh, I didn't realize that was her niece.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Is it Kamiko?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:But romance must be put on hold while Daniel and Miyagi deal with local bullies and long harbored grudges.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so anything else preliminary we want to say about this before we get into money, Critics, fans?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Money, critics, fans.
Speaker A:All right, so this is not Something I usually do for sequels or whatever.
Speaker A:But I was interested to know the life of this trilogy or quadrilogy or whatever.
Speaker A:So Karate Kid 1, which I think still we watch.
Speaker A:I watched karate.
Speaker A:We watched Karate Kid 1 before watching Karate Kid 2, and I was still.
Speaker A:I was pretty much on board with.
Speaker A:Karate Kid 1 still had a budget of 8 million and it grossed 91 million.
Speaker A:So it nailed it.
Speaker A:Karate Kid, out of the.
Speaker A:Just hit on all cylinders.
Speaker A:And I think the beauty of Mr.
Speaker A:Miyagi and Daniel's relationship is the gem of that movie.
Speaker A:I think it struck all the right chords.
Speaker A:You know, the.
Speaker A:The whole mentorship, fatherhood, friendship, love.
Speaker A:It was all cylinders.
Speaker A:Karate Kid.
Speaker A:And I think for a Karate Kid too, there is still that relationship.
Speaker A:And I think it's still a gem of that movie.
Speaker A:I am going to probably argue that it's the only gem of that movie, but it's there now.
Speaker A:Karate Kid 2.
Speaker A:All right, so for Karate Kid 1, if you're looking at tomato and audience, again, the movie predates that.
Speaker A:But over the course of its life, Karate Kid 1 had an 89% Tomatometer for the critics.
Speaker A:89% gave it three and a half stars or above.
Speaker A:And 82% of the fans give it three and a half stars above, which are very good scores.
Speaker A:By the time you get to Karate Kid 2, those numbers have been cut in half almost.
Speaker A:So 44% of the critics give it three and a half stars and 51% of the fans give it three and a half stars.
Speaker A:It had a budget, so that's the movie we're talking about.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It had a budget of 13 million for Karate Kid 2, which, you know, and grossed 115 million worldwide.
Speaker A:So it nailed it financially.
Speaker A:And I think that is off the success of Karate Kid one for sure.
Speaker A:People rushed back to the box office, but when they got there, I don't think they enjoyed it as much.
Speaker A:I don't remember if I do remember the ending of this movie, so I know I'd seen it when it came out or whatever, but I don't remember much else about the movie previous to watching it again.
Speaker C:Yeah, I.
Speaker C:The same thing.
Speaker C:When it ended, I was kind of like, oh, I remember that.
Speaker C:And then it's over.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Like, wow, that I watched only the last 10 minutes of this movie.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Anyway, because I don't remember, but I must have seen it.
Speaker A:Now, by the time you get to Karate Kid 3, which had a budget of 12 and a half million, it only grossed 38 million.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:On a 12 and a half million budget.
Speaker A:So from 91 million to 115 million to 38 million.
Speaker A:Writing off Karate Kid 2, which means the audience who saw Karate Kid 2 were like.
Speaker A:And they didn't go back 15.
Speaker A:Over the course of its life, 15% of the critics gave it three and a half stars, 35% of the fans.
Speaker B:So you're talking about three at that point.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So from 89.
Speaker A:So if you're talking fans, 82% loved it, 51% loved it, 35% loved it by the third one.
Speaker A:So it's starting to dwindle, if these are your metrics.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:And I don't know why that should be, but I think as we talk about Karate Kid 2, I have some thoughts about it.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I didn't think this was a bad movie, but I thought it.
Speaker A:Anyway, we'll get into it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Karate Kid 2 still nailed it.
Speaker A:115 million on a 13 million budget.
Speaker A:You can't argue that that's a fail.
Speaker A:But fans were not as enamored with this movie as they were maybe.
Speaker D:The first one I really don't remember watching.
Speaker A:Yeah, I remember the ending, but I don't remember.
Speaker D:I remember seeing the first one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And we have the third one.
Speaker D:I'm gonna watch it because I don't remember.
Speaker A:I don't know what that was about, to be honest with you.
Speaker A:I wasn't one of the ones that saw it when it came out, for sure.
Speaker A:I remember seeing Karate Kid 1 in the theater.
Speaker A:Maybe I can.
Speaker A:I'm not even certain of that.
Speaker A:I had to have been, because I thought way back when it came out.
Speaker C:I was having flashbacks.
Speaker C:I had Karate Kid.
Speaker C:I was making dinner or whatever and watching Karate Kid, and these flashback memories would come on.
Speaker C:When Mr.
Speaker C:Miyagi was saying, banzai.
Speaker C:I was like, I used to be a little kid running around going, banzai.
Speaker A:First one, Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then, you know, the chop, you know, the death and honk.
Speaker A:You did it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I totally blocked those memories out.
Speaker C:Totally forgot about them to watch this movie again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So obviously I haven't seen this movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And then anytime you're doing anything, it's always wax on wax.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:No, that's because even the.
Speaker A:In the special features the.
Speaker A:The writer of that movie talks about, that became.
Speaker A:It's become part of the canon or whatever of American lingo now.
Speaker A:Wax on, wax off, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't want to go down a rabbit hole, because we could do it all day or whatever, but there's obviously, with Cobra Kai picking up these characters 30 years later, there's lots of callbacks and stuff, and one of my favorites is the.
Speaker B:The new young kid is going to clean some windows and he's kind of.
Speaker B:You can see him doing the motion, the Wax on, Wax off.
Speaker B:And he asks.
Speaker B:He has Johnny, Johnny Lawrence, whatever.
Speaker B:Hey, is there a certain way I should clean these windows?
Speaker B:And so, like, as an audience member, even though Johnny doesn't know Wax on, Wax off, You're.
Speaker B:It's Karate Kid.
Speaker B:You're expecting that?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And his response is, yeah, I don't really give a shit.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's really good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:They play with the conventions a lot because they have a lot of really cool tributes and kobacks, but it's when you kind of least expect it.
Speaker D:Now, tell me about that.
Speaker D:I haven't seen it.
Speaker D:Is it on?
Speaker D:Is it.
Speaker D:It's a series.
Speaker B:It's a series.
Speaker B:It's on Netflix now.
Speaker B:It started on YouTube Red, but it's has, like one or two seasons on YouTube Bread, which.
Speaker B:I'd never heard of that.
Speaker B:And then Netflix picked it up and now there's like five seasons.
Speaker D:Oh, really?
Speaker D:I didn't realize.
Speaker B:30 years later.
Speaker B:And it's basically Johnny Lawrence never got over getting kicked in the face and, like, he's kind of a loser.
Speaker B:And he ends up obviously crossing paths with, you know, Daniel LaRusso again.
Speaker B:But it's all the same actors that played him, so it's really cool.
Speaker B:And there's younger kids and stuff in there now because Johnny basically gets his.
Speaker B:Tries to get his life together enough, and he reopens Cobra Kai.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And obviously Daniel is not having that shit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, it's interesting because at the end of Crikey one, he.
Speaker A:He seems to have grown because, you know, he hands Daniel the trophy, and I had not realized this.
Speaker A:He says, you know, I'm sorry, Daniel euro, you're an okay guy.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:You, you know, almost like, you know.
Speaker B:Like he had grown.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think the, like, at the beginning of this one where, like, his.
Speaker B:As even, you know, his sensei.
Speaker B:His master.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Know, is not appreciative, and he almost chokes him out and kills him and stuff.
Speaker B:So I think that feeds into the, you know, his.
Speaker B:His karate because he was top dog Karate Kid.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Now it's, you know, he's not that anymore, and he's kind of lost or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, we ready for mechanics of this thing?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:We can talk about this, and hopefully Chris can set me straight on some things.
Speaker A:I do think that this movie started off strong.
Speaker A:Opening image, I have, it picks up literally right after the competition.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:He's in the shower and they're getting off for go to dinner or whatever.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, he was in the shower and he's like, you know, my karate career, my Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker C:I was like, dude, you are not that good.
Speaker A:Yeah, no.
Speaker C:You won a little local tournament.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:He's flying high.
Speaker B:You know, he's.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, he did go from essentially zero to.
Speaker B:To hero.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Miyagi was like early retirement.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And something that occurred to me, and I just.
Speaker B:Watching this, you know, never not thought about it before.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What is Miyagi doing in there with a bunch of naked high school.
Speaker A:He's got his back to him.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker B:And that was lace defense, too.
Speaker B:But I was like, no, Daniel son.
Speaker B:I wait outside.
Speaker B:Like, that's what he should have done.
Speaker B:He shouldn't have been in there.
Speaker B:Like, like I said, seen it a million times.
Speaker B:Never bothered me.
Speaker B:And then now I was like, what?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Daniel comes over to him, and I remember thinking, he's talking to Miyagi right now with his dick hanging.
Speaker A:Well, I never thought of that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I think that's my biggest.
Speaker B:Complaint with this movie, I think, by the way.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I think I don't have to look at my notes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So my opening image, fresh off victory.
Speaker A:Celebrity status.
Speaker A:You know, he signed autographs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Price of fame is Miyagi.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Very excited and what I'm calling passionate, because Miyagi will say something which I think is probably going to be the theme or very close to the theme of this movie.
Speaker A:So, yeah, the opening image is very much on a high.
Speaker A:Now, the setup, I think, also is going to talk about is going to go to theme of this movie.
Speaker A:So Daniel and Mr.
Speaker A:Miyagi are friends, compadres.
Speaker A:Very.
Speaker A:The relationship between these two carries everything.
Speaker A:I mean, everybody loves that relationship.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's beautiful.
Speaker B:He's the father that Daniel lost.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Now Daniel goes from celebrity status, excited and everything to.
Speaker A:To sort of a low because he loses his girlfriend, who has fallen in love with the football player.
Speaker A:Not before she wrecks his car.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, so he's lost his car and his girlfriend the next day.
Speaker A:And so he's gone from a high to a low, and he's feeling very unfocused.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Was that the next day or was that, like, that was down the road.
Speaker B:They probably should have put up a three months later or whatever.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:They didn't, but, yeah, I think it was done.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So sometime later.
Speaker A:So anyways, I think it.
Speaker A:I think those contrast.
Speaker A:The highs and lows that he is experiencing.
Speaker B:Agreed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think if you're jumping right there, I think you're missing some stuff that was important.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The kind of.
Speaker B:The close that we were talking about just a second ago with crease.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:With the.
Speaker B:The old.
Speaker B:The old.
Speaker B:The bad guy.
Speaker A:You know, I'm going to get back to that because I think there's some theme in there.
Speaker A:I think highs and lows.
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker A:Life can be a.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:So Daniel feels very unfocused now.
Speaker A:We'll get to that in a second.
Speaker A:But Miyagi says when you lose focus.
Speaker A:Focus on the basics of life.
Speaker A:And he has him do his.
Speaker A:His breathing or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I love Daniel's response.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Praying.
Speaker B:Because the way he has his hands or whatever, he goes on breathing.
Speaker A:Breathing, yes.
Speaker B:Now breath, no life.
Speaker A:So I think.
Speaker A:I think that is going to become, you know, get back to the basics of life.
Speaker A:But to your point, in this scene with the bad guy and the.
Speaker A:Which was.
Speaker A:Is going to be an excellent call back later.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I said earlier, I think there's two quotes.
Speaker A:Two quotes.
Speaker A:I think it's the.
Speaker A:The basics of life.
Speaker A:And then he says something else, too.
Speaker A:But you could have killed that guy.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And Miyagi says, for man who has no mercy in his heart, forgiveness is like a living hell or something like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Personal live.
Speaker B:With no forgiveness in heart.
Speaker B:Worse punishment than death.
Speaker A:Than death.
Speaker B:You could have killed that guy.
Speaker B:Why didn't you?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what he says.
Speaker A:Worse than death.
Speaker B:Which is how Sato is living.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Now, the.
Speaker A:This will come up, and I think I've put all this together, but I think it comes a little bit later when Daniel is questioning Miyagi is why he didn't fight Sato.
Speaker A:He says, even if I win, I lose.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Because he's gonna make this big deal about.
Speaker A:Karate's only for defense.
Speaker A:But if I lose, I lose.
Speaker A:Even if I win, I lose.
Speaker A:You know, so there's this very much before they leave.
Speaker B:You mean when they're in his house?
Speaker B:Yes, I believe he says packing and stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Never put passion before principle.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:That was the other thing I was gonna say.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He has this.
Speaker A:Never put passion before principle.
Speaker A:Karate is only for defense, not for fighting.
Speaker A:Even if you win, you lose, which.
Speaker B:I think I think also speaks to.
Speaker B:Because it's kind of a running theme throughout the whole series, in my opinion, at least the first three is like, it takes Daniel, I guess, maybe because he's a kid or he's stubborn or whatever.
Speaker B:It takes him a while to learn that.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:Like, karate's for defense only, even though that's rule number one.
Speaker B:Because, like, we were talking about the minute ago in the shower, he's all talking about his career and all this shit, and Miyagi's not thinking that at all, because it's.
Speaker B:You fought because you had to, because they were fucking bull beating your ass every day.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:We're not going to turn this into some kind of.
Speaker C:You know, in the first movie, he was doing some kind of karate before Miyagi.
Speaker A:He went to the.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Out of a book.
Speaker B:Out of a book.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he's learned the wrong way.
Speaker C:Until Miyagi comes back and, you know, karate is not offensive, it's defense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Last resort, if possible, bringing him back into focus.
Speaker A:Almost at that point, you know, he's.
Speaker A:Your focus is on the wrong aspects of karate and maragi.
Speaker A:Miyagi brings him into focus on that and that idea, the basics of life and this kind of thing.
Speaker A:So I think the movies cannot be faulted for the high themes they have and meaningful value and certainly the relationship between Daniel and Miyagi, that is not a weak point in either the first or the second one.
Speaker A:So is there anything more you want to say about that scene with the bad guy?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it sets up the stakes for this one.
Speaker B:Like, even the music at the beginning, like, you had these ominous Japanese drums that weren't part of the soundtrack of the first one, I don't think.
Speaker B:Okay, right.
Speaker B:Like, so it automatically sets up.
Speaker B:Things are going to be different this time around.
Speaker B:Things are.
Speaker B:The stakes are higher.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I feel like that's the first time.
Speaker B:Like, there might have been a little bit of blood, I think, when he and Johnny fought.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But this dude's knuckles are all bloody, and it was two grown men fighting.
Speaker B:It wasn't kids.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:It's two grown men fighting, glasses getting broken, and then the whole conversation.
Speaker B:You could have killed a guy.
Speaker B:I feel like it's Daniel's first exposure to how lethal karate can be.
Speaker B:Because there's, I mean, life and death stakes later on in the road.
Speaker B:It just kind of hints showing that to the audience that.
Speaker A:Well, he says.
Speaker A:Yeah, he says to Miyagi, Daniel says to Miyagi later, when Miyagi has decided to fight Sato having no choice.
Speaker A:This isn't three points and you're out.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker B:I know what happens.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:That's good stuff there.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So the catalyst I'm having as the letter arriving saying that Mr.
Speaker A:Miyagi's father is dying.
Speaker A:And we get the backstory with Sato.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he invited Daniel to live with him because his mom was moving upstate to Fresno.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He was having to move.
Speaker A:He was gonna have to go live.
Speaker B:With his mom in Fresno.
Speaker B:In Fresno for two months.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So Daniel's stuck with that Miyagi, and now Miyagi gets the call.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:To go.
Speaker A:Sorry it didn't work out.
Speaker B:You know, and I really like the way they did that with the mailman, because Miyagi's friendly guy to everybody.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Any other time, he's ignoring this guy.
Speaker B:Who'S trying to have a conversation with him.
Speaker B:I think it really shows, like, how important Okinawa in this letter this is to him.
Speaker B:Like, I thought they did a really good job of setting that up.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, this is absolute rock in the pond kind of situation.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think I like that they.
Speaker A:That they give more backstory.
Speaker A:Like, Miyagi was such a beloved character in the first one.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I think it was logical to explore his story in this one.
Speaker C:Well, yeah.
Speaker C:It becomes.
Speaker C:Because Daniel was a fish out of water in the first one, this kind of takes you as the viewer now, knowing Miyagi and Daniel and putting Mr.
Speaker C:Miyagi now in that fish out of water type of thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And Daniel's going along with him to support him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There was a couple times where I'm thinking, did the roles reverse?
Speaker A:Is Daniel now the mentor to Miyagi?
Speaker A:And because he talks about his father when I.
Speaker A:When my father died and this kind of thing, and Miyagi.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think.
Speaker A:I think Daniel steps up a little bit to almost be a mentor to Miyagi for a few minutes.
Speaker B:You know, I don't know.
Speaker B:I guess, because my thoughts.
Speaker B:I just keep thinking about the.
Speaker B:You said it was a natural place for the story to go, and I agree.
Speaker B:But maybe, you know, only 51% of the fans agreed.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, what else did they want to see?
Speaker B:And because when you're going over it, my thought was, okay, well, maybe they wanted to see Daniel go back to the tournament.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what happens in the third one, so.
Speaker A:Is that right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:And those dropped even more.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is walking around the street kick everybody's ass like you said earlier, joking around.
Speaker C:You know, like, had Karate Kid gone the path of Rocky.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, maybe he had lost the first one.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And, you know, go back for the second one.
Speaker C:And now he's got to face bigger and better opponents.
Speaker C:Like a Mr.
Speaker C:T level thing in the third.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Would it have been better?
Speaker C:Would have been more well received?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:And I think that all of that goes against.
Speaker B:And maybe in a way, that writer wrote himself into a corner.
Speaker B:All that goes against Miyagi's defense only, like, we're not fighting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You can't have Daniel LaRusso turn.
Speaker C:Turn into a superhero like Rocky Balboa did.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:He's just a normal guy under.
Speaker C:Because I was thinking in this movie, it would have been awesome.
Speaker C:Awesome if, you know, Miyagi pulled Mickey and died.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, like, he got in the fight, died.
Speaker C:And then the third movie, he has to go fight somebody.
Speaker B:Daniel's on his own.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:They could have taken it that direction.
Speaker C:I'm glad they didn't.
Speaker A:Nobody wants to see me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think they got a little too fixated on Everybody loves Daniel Miyagi.
Speaker A:So they'll.
Speaker A:Because I.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:We'll.
Speaker A:We'll get into it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But we agree Catalyst is the letter, right?
Speaker A:I believe.
Speaker A:I believe it's the letter.
Speaker A:So there's this debate.
Speaker A:Daniel wants to go with him, and Miyagi doesn't want him to go.
Speaker A:And then he convinces him because the break into two I have is them flying into Okinawa.
Speaker B:Agreed.
Speaker B:No, I have that, too.
Speaker B:I feel like they're with the.
Speaker B:Again, just.
Speaker B:They did a really good job with exposition.
Speaker B:Like, he's waiting in.
Speaker B:They're waiting in line together to get a passport.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:That could be a very boring scene.
Speaker B:And it's not long.
Speaker B:It's short and tight, but they.
Speaker B:We get some more backstory about kind of what's going on or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's even a throwaway line about how I can get a passport so quickly.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Explaining that.
Speaker B:And then there's why he's packing.
Speaker B:There's more exposition about Sato and Yuki and just all of his.
Speaker B:Like, I felt like all the exposition was very, very tight and well done.
Speaker B:No, no, it's them kind of sitting around talking.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:To me, I feel like it's like you said earlier, the world wants to know.
Speaker B:Fans of this want to know more about Miyagi because they didn't get shit about his backstory.
Speaker B:So everybody's there.
Speaker B:They want to know about this.
Speaker B:Not only are we learning more about Miyagi, but back to the scene you were talking about with the never put passion principal.
Speaker B:He also talks about the honor thing, and he's like, Daniel's like, what?
Speaker B:This is like 30 years later or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he says, daniel's in Okinawa.
Speaker B:Honor.
Speaker B:Very serious.
Speaker B:And then I think there's even, like, a musical cue there.
Speaker B:So again, just showing you that, like, they're about to step off into this world.
Speaker B:That is not three points and you're out.
Speaker B:I just feel like they set it up really well.
Speaker A:No, no, I.
Speaker A:I am raising the stakes.
Speaker B:So, again, I guess I don't understand.
Speaker B:Like, that's what you do with a proper sequel, so.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I not liking it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That annoys me, you know?
Speaker A:Well, I don't have any problem with the first act.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I just think.
Speaker A:I think we'll get into this, but I think the second act is a little.
Speaker A:There's a little bit too much fat in it.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker B:Well, it's two hours, which surprised me when I started up.
Speaker B:I thought I remembering it being more like an hour and a half, but it's two hours.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was two hours.
Speaker C:Hours.
Speaker C:How long was the first one?
Speaker B:Don't remember.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I didn't feel the first one was that long at all.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:But I agree.
Speaker B:The debate.
Speaker B:And he has to convince him or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, let me go or whatever.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:Does it bother you at all that, like.
Speaker B:Because if Daniel's the main guy, right.
Speaker B:Like, he has this debate, like, debates between the two of them.
Speaker B:He's trying to convince Miyagi to go, but his decision to go is kind of off screen.
Speaker B:Like, you see him.
Speaker B:The wheels turning that night before.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because, like, you know, the after.
Speaker B:The honor is very serious.
Speaker B:Like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:Daniel wants to know more about it, and so do we.
Speaker B:I hope he goes with him.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:As opposed to some already doing fucking Fresno or something.
Speaker A:No, I think Daniel debated, And I think Mr.
Speaker A:Miyagi is like, no.
Speaker B:So that didn't bother you the way they.
Speaker B:Like nothing.
Speaker A:I don't think so.
Speaker B:We saw the wheels turn and that was enough.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then.
Speaker A:But Miyagi and Daniel do sort of debate about him going to Okinawa with him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, they do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:When he's waiting on the cab or.
Speaker B:Miyagi is up, Daniel's supposed to meet him there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:To send him off not to go with him.
Speaker A:So he seems a little disappointed.
Speaker A:But then, you know, we.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:Yeah, I didn't have a problem with the debate or any of that.
Speaker C:No, just a quick aside.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:How long was it?
Speaker C:Karate Kid 2 was an hour and 58.
Speaker A:Yeah, I believe.
Speaker C:Let me see.
Speaker C:Let me double verify that.
Speaker C:Hour 53.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Karate Kid, the original one was two hours and six.
Speaker C:So the original was longer.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker C:And then the second one started out with five minutes of first movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:So breaking the two, I have them flying into the second act right on the plate.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Now, for fun and games, I have written in parentheses the bulk of this movie, such as they are.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And I've listed them before we get to, you know, like I said we could.
Speaker A:You can tell me how I screwed this up before we get to, you know, the midpoint or whatever.
Speaker B:I appreciate your confidence.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You always throw it out there like I'm gonna straighten you out, like I, Like I know anything, you know?
Speaker A:Well, no, I mean, because I, I.
Speaker A:I am not as enamored of this movie as you are, and.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:No, I know.
Speaker A:And that's almost feels like sacrilege to say because, you know, Miyagi.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker A:All right, so let's just go through this, and then we can unpack it.
Speaker A:All right, so there's the car ride in.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker B:Whoa, whoa.
Speaker B:You're skipping stuff, man.
Speaker A:What, what am I.
Speaker A:What, what's, what are we missing here?
Speaker B:It's not overly important, I'm saying.
Speaker B:Anyways, yeah, there's more exposition on the plane and more setting up of the stakes.
Speaker A:Sure, sure, yeah.
Speaker B:First little bullshit.
Speaker B:Funny thing, you can't find Okinawa.
Speaker B:And just Miyagi has a good line about, you know, because he's tired and Daniel's, you know, fucking with him, asking questions or whatever.
Speaker B:You know, Daniel said, look, in the morning, maybe it'd be there in the morning.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So he gives it up.
Speaker B:But then Daniel still can't sleep because he's thinking about this journey and where he's going and all this mystery.
Speaker B:And he asked him about the Sato and, you know, could you beat him?
Speaker B:Well, we had the same teacher.
Speaker B:What do you mean?
Speaker B:Rose is his dad.
Speaker B:And Miyagi, you know, it's not just father in their family.
Speaker B:He asked, you know, his father to make an exception this time.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker B:And then he asked, well, do you think your dad would referee if you guys had fought?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Referee.
Speaker B:Well, how do you know who won?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then revealed to the death.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Again, no point.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just really like the.
Speaker B:The stakes, you know?
Speaker A:No, no, I.
Speaker A:I think all that is hitting on all cylinders.
Speaker B:It's kind of.
Speaker B:To James point, I think it.
Speaker B:In a way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This kid was thinking about a career.
Speaker B:You're not that good, man.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Now you're about to go into a.
Speaker B:And a bum leg, and now you're going to a life or death situation.
Speaker A:Sure, sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Okay, Danielson.
Speaker A:But that whole plane ride was.
Speaker A:I think everything is good until they land in Okinawa.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:To take that.
Speaker C:To take it all the way back to the beginning, you know, after the shower.
Speaker C:And I've watched the first one and his legs all busted up.
Speaker C:They're talking about going out to dinner.
Speaker C:I'm like, you need to go to a hospital.
Speaker C:Your leg is broken.
Speaker C:It's been kicked so many times.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, right.
Speaker B:Pizza makes sweeping the legs better, man.
Speaker B:I mean, you have pizza and.
Speaker A:Well, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:So there's breaking a three, and it all goes south.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Two.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker C:Excuse me.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:Well, there's this car ride.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:They get picked up at the airport, and then immediately we are crashing into Sato and.
Speaker A:And his, you know, troubles.
Speaker A:We learn more about that.
Speaker A:He wants to go.
Speaker A:The village is now basically paved over and be.
Speaker A:Has become Kadena Air Base.
Speaker A:Daniel meets Kimiko, Miyagi meets Yuki again and sees.
Speaker A:Sees his father that.
Speaker A:And that Yuki never married that.
Speaker A:We get the family dojo.
Speaker A:The father is dying, and he summons both Sato and Miyagi and he wants them to reunite.
Speaker A:I'm going to go through this real quick.
Speaker A:These.
Speaker A:These.
Speaker A:Because all this is the bulk of the movie.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Wants them both to be at peace, but Sada will not have it.
Speaker A:Gives Miyagi a ticking clock.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Okay, out of three.
Speaker A:Out of respect, for three days, I'll let you mourn, but then we're going to fight, you know?
Speaker B:Well, he gives him several ticking clocks, I guess, because he.
Speaker B:When they first pick him up at the car, which is not what they're expecting from the airport.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:They're expecting friendly greeting instead.
Speaker B:They get picked up by bad guys, Right?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:You see your father, then you see me.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I don't know why I turned into Arnold sudden, but welcome to Okinawa.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Did you come here on a chopper anyway?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Go see your father.
Speaker A:And you see me then Adam after he dies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Out of respect.
Speaker B:Three days to mourn.
Speaker A:And then, you know, Daniel causes trouble for the nephew.
Speaker A:The false weights, you know.
Speaker B:All right, so Stacey made a comment.
Speaker B:She feels like Daniel, like, not looks for trouble, but calls it to himself.
Speaker B:And I don't know, like, the whole, like, the weight thing, like, that guy was ripping them off.
Speaker B:He's a dick.
Speaker B:And like, the whole thing later on, chosen's like, you know, you disrespected my honor or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah, sure.
Speaker B:What honor did you have?
Speaker B:You were stealing from people, fucker.
Speaker A:No, right.
Speaker A:Well, he's got his own conceptions of honor.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, he's a good bad guy, but that always.
Speaker A:But obviously he has no honor and no courage.
Speaker A:I mean, we see that later.
Speaker B:Anyway, he crushed his hand in the.
Speaker B:In the handshake.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I'm the bad guy.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Which is a shock to Daniel.
Speaker A:False weights.
Speaker A:Miyagi sings for Yuki.
Speaker A:Daniel talks with Kimiko.
Speaker A:I have bullies 2.0.
Speaker A:Like, Sherry was getting impatient with his movie because it seemed like every 12 seconds, bullies were bullying like these.
Speaker A:Like, if someone bullied that much that.
Speaker C:Often, it was almost cartoonish.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And the look on.
Speaker D:On Daniel's face was like.
Speaker D:Again, it's like, okay, I'm tired of this.
Speaker C:Well, in one of the scenes, they went to work on the garden.
Speaker C:Like, they started hacking up the garden.
Speaker A:And I'm like, these guys are juvenile, straight up bullies.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:That's their only livelihood, the village.
Speaker B:And they're.
Speaker B:They're taking their livelihood by destroying the crops.
Speaker B:They were selling the crops back to them, right?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:They couldn't fish anymore, so they went to vegetables.
Speaker A:And Miyagi talks about that there's Miyagi.
Speaker B:And them destroying the crops.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:You know, they're not just.
Speaker A:No, it's going to bulldoze this place at some.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:To try to get Miyagi.
Speaker B:The stakes keep rising.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Miyagi and Yuki have a tea ceremony.
Speaker A:Daniel goes sightseeing with Kimiko.
Speaker A:The ice breaking scene.
Speaker A:We're glossing over this, but we can go through this as much as you want.
Speaker A:But what I'm.
Speaker A:I'll make a point in a second.
Speaker A:Meets with Sato.
Speaker A:Tries to make peace.
Speaker B:Getting impatient with all this bullying.
Speaker B:Sir.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Dance with Daniel goes to a dance with Kimiko.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The nephew tries to bully him again.
Speaker A:And Daniel does what Miyagi had talked about and set up and payoffs.
Speaker A:Sack whack.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, in the jewels, Sato busts up the dojo.
Speaker A:Miyagi sauce.
Speaker B:Miyagi special.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:They prepare to go home.
Speaker A:And then Sato bulldoze the farm to compel Miyagi to fight.
Speaker A:So what I'm saying is.
Speaker B:Oh, that's fun and games.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:All that.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:I told Sherry, I said, there's like endless scenes of staring at each other's eyes.
Speaker A:Either Miyagi and Yuki or.
Speaker A:Or Daniel and Kimiko.
Speaker A:There was all this emphasis on these two coming.
Speaker A:You know, these two couples coming together and finding love.
Speaker A:And it.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:It just, you know, these were the funny games, and they were not even that fun.
Speaker A:Like, yes, Kimiko is beautiful.
Speaker A:And, you know, yes, there's this.
Speaker A:But it just seemed all very bloated.
Speaker A:And this was on and on and on and on.
Speaker B:So him staring googly eyes at Ali in the first one didn't bother you?
Speaker B:But it wasn't here.
Speaker A:But it wasn't.
Speaker A:It wasn't prolonged.
Speaker A:There was several sequences of this repeatedly, to me, over and over again, you know, the dance, the tea ceremony, the sightseeing.
Speaker B:Tea ceremony was after sightseeing.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But there's.
Speaker A:Yeah, just the fun and games seem more like romantic drama then, because, you know, and then.
Speaker A:And then the constant, constant, constant.
Speaker A:Every five seconds, the bullies show up.
Speaker B:You know, so what I'm hearing is.
Speaker B:Wasn't enough action.
Speaker B:There's a bunch of just, you know, looking into each other's eyes and romantic stuff.
Speaker B:But then the action pieces were the bullying.
Speaker B:And you didn't like that either.
Speaker B:Oh, well, I think you like, you know, none of it.
Speaker C:Upon retrospect, that sounds a lot like the first movie.
Speaker C:However, in the first movie, it was broken up with training.
Speaker C:Like, you know, it was love.
Speaker C:Going out on a date, you surely show up.
Speaker C:Daniel goes back to Miyagi and they train.
Speaker C:You know, he'll either sand the deck.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:Or whatever.
Speaker B:I bet you got more chores for me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:This movie didn't have that, like, third element.
Speaker C:It was just bullies and love story.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They do the kata.
Speaker B:The one morning after the dad dies, they do it together.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Showing his girl.
Speaker B:Because he even gets Miyagi.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:And then the.
Speaker B:On the.
Speaker B:On the.
Speaker B:On the dock with the.
Speaker B:When he's learning the secret of the drum, which the drum set up.
Speaker B:And that's a huge payoff.
Speaker A:No, absolutely.
Speaker A:Right, absolutely.
Speaker B:But he.
Speaker B:With the thing, he almost kills himself because he's an idiot.
Speaker B:And he pulls the.
Speaker B:Pulls the cord and the thing comes down to shirt.
Speaker B:No, no, I.
Speaker B:Daniel, Son, you okay?
Speaker B:That's pretty stupid.
Speaker A:Was good, but I remember just.
Speaker B:That's Fun and different.
Speaker A:Yeah, I guess the pacing was off for me.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:On this.
Speaker B:So I did seem.
Speaker B:I'll give you this much.
Speaker B:It seems slower than I remember, right?
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I didn't remember.
Speaker B:I didn't remember this movie being slow at all.
Speaker B:And there were moments when it was slower.
Speaker A:And maybe that's it, because I did.
Speaker B:Not escalate with the bad guy, though, chosen or whatever, because first it's just Miyagi and Sato and then this guy chosen as being a dickhead.
Speaker B:He's just a dick in general.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But then once Daniel, you know, reveals, you know, with the weights or whatever, now he's out to get him.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Daniels was there.
Speaker B:Just minds on business.
Speaker B:They have the three days to mourn.
Speaker B:Well, even the place is about this fucking big, so there's only so many things to do.
Speaker B:So, yeah, he's gonna keep running into, you know, Kimiko or whatever, and then.
Speaker B:And Miyagi's finding his roots and shit again.
Speaker A:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:And, yeah, okay, maybe Miyagi didn't have a whole lot to do, right.
Speaker B:But it says his long being reunited with his long lost love.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And yeah, the dude keeps showing up to fuck with him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:But it's just twice, right?
Speaker B:On the bullying.
Speaker B:It's when they're doing a little dance thing and he says, then what is this, a baby rattle or whatever.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Because, yeah, Danielson's out there trying to figure out what it is, and Kimiko comes over and she makes it looks like a dance, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And then the bad guy shows up, chosen and take it.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then he.
Speaker B:After the ice thing, which to me, I don't know if we're ready to get into that or not, but the ice is not funny games to me.
Speaker B:That's your midpoint.
Speaker B:That's your false victory.
Speaker B:Miyagi and Daniel win against Sato and.
Speaker A:All right, see, Okay, I have a.
Speaker B:And I guess he's bullying them there, too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because Dan will just.
Speaker B:Hey, what's this cool ice thing they're doing?
Speaker B:And then, yeah, one of his goons sees him, runs off, and next all of a sudden, chosen shows up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He thinks it's going to be an.
Speaker B:Easy end of the thing.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Master vet, by the way.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I know, but yeah, yeah, no, we had.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:I had no idea.
Speaker A:But she was like, hey, look who that is.
Speaker B:To me, that's of.
Speaker B:Yeah, midpoint.
Speaker A:Okay, so you have that as the midpoint.
Speaker B:Yeah, because false victory.
Speaker B:Because they.
Speaker B:They beat Him.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because there's, it's all about this tension and fighting.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, they find a way to beat them or fight each other without actually trading blows.
Speaker A:Okay, right.
Speaker B:Because Miyagi doesn't want to fight, but I can.
Speaker B:Daniel can karate chop some ice all day long.
Speaker B:It's not gonna hurt anybody.
Speaker B:No, I, I had a big moment because, you know, it's, you know, this guy barely got through three or two of them or whatever.
Speaker B:And he's got to break all three, right?
Speaker B:Wrong, all six.
Speaker B:Like, again, raising, you know, stakes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I have, I probably got a lot, a lot of nostalgia for the ice breaking scene, but that's like one of the cool scenes I saw when I was a kid, you know?
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker B:I still like it.
Speaker C:I remember that ice scene.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, I seem to remember that.
Speaker B:It's a call back to the payoff to the focus.
Speaker B:Because if he hadn't done that.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, because he does his.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I hear you.
Speaker A:I, I, I have a false defeat midpoint.
Speaker B:Where's that at?
Speaker B:Like in the.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What happened for their.
Speaker A:Because, because Miyagi does not and, and on principle is not going to fight Sato.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:But Sato puts him in a position that if you don't fight me, then I will come back tomorrow and everything here will be gone.
Speaker A:So now Miyagi has to defend.
Speaker A:Use his karate for defense.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:If you don't fight this, this village is gone.
Speaker B:And he secures the village.
Speaker A:And he secures the village even if he loses.
Speaker A:So I have a false defeat midpoint.
Speaker A:Challenge accepted.
Speaker A:Kamika.
Speaker A:He has to fight Sato.
Speaker B:That's my false defeat.
Speaker B:All is lost.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Because I know he's fighting against having.
Speaker B:To fight him the whole time.
Speaker B:And finally he gets put in a position where he fucking has to.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you have that as the all and Because.
Speaker B:Yeah, cuz Daniel's gonna belt the.
Speaker B:You know, because he says, here's my last will and testament.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, you get the truck in the house back home.
Speaker B:I don't want the truck in the house back home.
Speaker B:I want you right.
Speaker B:We're at the.
Speaker B:As an audience and Daniel, three points.
Speaker B:I know what happens.
Speaker B:Like, Miyagi may die.
Speaker B:Like, like James was saying.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's definitely gonna be an all is lost.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Because I don't know that I even have an all is lost.
Speaker A:I have a, I have a bad guys close in.
Speaker A:I do have false victory.
Speaker A:I have a false victory.
Speaker A:I was lost.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because if your midpoint was defeat Then, yeah, your victory.
Speaker A:It's gonna be victory Challenge accepted.
Speaker A:And then Kimiko and the tea ceremony with Daniel.
Speaker A:So another stare into each other's eye scene.
Speaker A:The bad guys close in.
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker A:Is this storm rolling in, which turns into.
Speaker A:And again, I couldn't really nail down a bunch of bad guys closed in because they've been on his ass the whole.
Speaker A:Since they landed.
Speaker A:But I have a bad guys close in as the storm, which.
Speaker A:Which I.
Speaker A:I think is.
Speaker A:You can either look at two ways, oh, that's convenient.
Speaker A:Or I think it's poignant that.
Speaker A:That nature in the universe does not.
Speaker B:It's almost intervenes.
Speaker A:Intervenes?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's almost a spiritual thing, you know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because Miyagi rescues Sato and that starts to turn Sato around.
Speaker A:False victory rescuing Sato.
Speaker A:The village is destroyed and the nephew is branded a coward.
Speaker A:But Sadi, Sato and Miyagi are reconciled, which is going to be a false victory because the nephew now shows up later who has been branded a coward by his cowardice.
Speaker A:Daniel goes out, climbs that light pole in the storm, rescues a little girl.
Speaker A:When.
Speaker A:When the nephew lowers his head and turns away.
Speaker A:He won't.
Speaker A:He won't do it.
Speaker D:That scene bothers me.
Speaker D:I don't understand why the little girl didn't come down.
Speaker B:Well, she's a little girl before the.
Speaker D:Storm got so bad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was in the shower thing with creepy Maggie at the beginning.
Speaker B:That was my other.
Speaker A:Well, I think about it, yeah.
Speaker B:But a little forgot about it.
Speaker B:They're all hanging out in the bunker.
Speaker A:No shit.
Speaker B:This little girl that saved all of our lives, by the way, by ringing the fucking bell.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm with Sherry.
Speaker B:Like, what are you, a bunch of dicks?
Speaker B:What are you doing up there?
Speaker B:And then there's 30 grown men in that bunker, but Danielson's the only one that goes out there.
Speaker B:And he trips and falls like, oh, now you help me.
Speaker D:Thanks, Dick.
Speaker D:I think it was Mr.
Speaker D:Miyagi.
Speaker D:Shut the door, I said.
Speaker D:What about the kid ringing the bell?
Speaker B:Oh, Danielson.
Speaker B:No time.
Speaker B:She's, you know.
Speaker A:He doesn't say that.
Speaker B:No, I'm making it up.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But Daniel becomes the hero and the nephew.
Speaker B:And that's why she's still stuck up there on the pole, because the writer needs her to.
Speaker B:I'm with Sherry.
Speaker B:They fucked up leaving her out there.
Speaker A:Well, that is my false should.
Speaker B:I had her.
Speaker B:All they had to do is show her we're writing the thing again, but have her start to climb down, then have the ladder fall apart.
Speaker B:So now she's Stuck.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you.
Speaker A:But Daniel becomes the hero, shaming the nephew who really ought to be shamed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:His.
Speaker A:His idea of honor is so twisted.
Speaker A:So twisted in his own mind that he doesn't even know what it is.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:He thinks he is honorable.
Speaker A:You're not.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And he hate to break it to you, you know?
Speaker A:So then.
Speaker A:Now this nephew has a grudge against Daniel, setting up this.
Speaker A:This climactic battle in the.
Speaker A:In the end.
Speaker A:Now it's going to be Daniel and the nephew, not Miyagi and Sato.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker A:So I thought this.
Speaker A:The whole.
Speaker A:So now I'm looking for.
Speaker A:At this point, I'm looking.
Speaker A:That's the false victory.
Speaker A:All is lost.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I guess dark night of the soul was what I never really nailed.
Speaker A:Well, I do have it, but it's very fleeting.
Speaker A:So anyhow, you just break into three, which I couldn't really pin down.
Speaker A:So I called it the bone dance at the castle.
Speaker A:And the nephew wants a fight.
Speaker A:And Miyagi's saying, not tournament.
Speaker A:Daniel.
Speaker A:This is for real.
Speaker A:When he's going to.
Speaker A:And then I have the dark knight of the soul dig deep down because Daniel's getting his ass kicked, basically.
Speaker A:And so I have this dark night of the soul dig deep down, especially with Miyagi doing the thing.
Speaker A:But Daniel starts to assume the.
Speaker A:He gets in position to do the drum dance technique.
Speaker A:Now, I did think it was very cool that he tries the crane technique.
Speaker B:It doesn't work.
Speaker A:It doesn't work.
Speaker A:Yeah, I did like that.
Speaker A:And then Mr.
Speaker A:Miyagi doing the drum thing and everybody in the village doing the drum thing, which gives Daniel his dig deep down.
Speaker B:Yeah, Right.
Speaker A:Which I'm calling a darkness hole because he.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Because the.
Speaker A:When the Crane thing doesn't work, that's got to be the darkest point, because now Daniel.
Speaker A:What else is now?
Speaker A:His arsenal is gone.
Speaker C:That's the only bow in his quiver right there.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:And then go back to, you wanted to be a professional.
Speaker C:Oh, you got the Crane kick.
Speaker C:Well, that's illegal in most tournaments.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And you.
Speaker A:You do three rounds of that.
Speaker A:The guy in the fourth round is like, I know what he's gonna do.
Speaker B:But to your point, I feel like he.
Speaker B:He put up a decent fight against chosen, who's way better.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:He got to kill him, not just get some points.
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker B:Yeah, the fight went back and forth pretty.
Speaker B:Remember?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:No, Daniel's a scrapper.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, he's got some jersey in him.
Speaker C:He's not going to Jersey.
Speaker C:He's got it.
Speaker A:What he has, he's going to use and to some effect.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I thought the dark night of the soul.
Speaker A:Dig deep down.
Speaker A:The drum technique was very effective.
Speaker A:That's the scene I remember.
Speaker A:I don't remember the movie, but I remember that scene.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Being very motivated at that point.
Speaker A:And then the closing image, the nose callback, you know.
Speaker D:Wrong.
Speaker A:Wrong answer, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because Daniel could have killed the guy too.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:He says, he says life or death.
Speaker B:Life or death.
Speaker B:Live or die, man.
Speaker A:Live or die, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, die.
Speaker A:Wrong answer.
Speaker A:And the cheering of the village or whatever.
Speaker A:Closing image, Daniel and we could go back and talk about this stuff.
Speaker A:But closing image, Daniel has put principle of passion above his passion defense, which I'm calling defend the defenseless, not the celebrity.
Speaker A:So he, he.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Because when, when Kimiko got hit, I'm like, okay, it's all now, motherfucker, you Right.
Speaker A:You know, and Daniel feels that way too.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So, you know, Daniel should have demanded that she go across and then I'll throw the bridge.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, she can't get hit.
Speaker B:In the face, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I thought about it.
Speaker A:Yeah, but she's laying there most of the rest of that fight.
Speaker A:She's out.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:But never get her demand.
Speaker B:She goes across safe with everybody else, just you and me.
Speaker B:And then that way she doesn't get hit in the face later on.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But he's.
Speaker A:But now he's using.
Speaker A:Whereas Miyagi was going to defend the village.
Speaker A:Obviously he's trying to defend himself, but on principle, he is fighting and defending Kimiko and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so he's.
Speaker A:He's no longer fighting to be.
Speaker A:Because it's cool, because he wants autographs because he thinks it's going to make him popular.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Anyway, I have him putting principle of passion at that point, which is a nice closing image from his opening image where he signed an price of famous meal.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But I think, I think all these scenes before that, like the bulk of the second act, it just seemed.
Speaker A:And I could go back and watch it, but it seemed a lot of, you know, Hallmark Channel moments or something.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah, you know that I.
Speaker C:I was gonna say something very similar to that.
Speaker C:Like it was.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was a love story kind of shoehorned in there a bit and a bit more bloated love story than I would have liked to seen.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're not a fan of glory, of love and racing across.
Speaker A:I hate Chicago, first of all.
Speaker A:Anytime Terror.
Speaker A:I have never been a fan of Chicago anything like a little bit of.
Speaker B:You know, she cheats.
Speaker B:They have a fun in that.
Speaker B:And, you know, the race and she cheated and.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And all that's to set up the sure Coliseum for the end.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:Now, was Kamiko fun to watch?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Sherry's rolling her eyes.
Speaker A:No, Kimiko is stone cold hottie, man.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna lie about that.
Speaker A:But I felt bloated to me to the point where I'm like, okay, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I guess it's back up real quick.
Speaker B:So to me, like, the ice breaking was the false victory, Right.
Speaker B:They finally.
Speaker B:They beat them without fighting.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So that's what Miyagi wants.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because Sato is not going anywhere.
Speaker B:As you said, they're constantly messing with them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm interested to hear your breakdown of this.
Speaker B:Well, now, like the very next scene is them showing up is Chosen and Sato showing up at the village on the inside, destroying it.
Speaker B:And Sato yelling for him and all that bullshit.
Speaker B:That's bad guys close in.
Speaker B:They're now sure.
Speaker B:Three days to mourn is fucking over.
Speaker B:Like, I'm here to kill you.
Speaker A:Oh, that makes sense.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So that, you know, because they beat him in Chosen just there because you.
Speaker B:You did my honor and then you didn't even, you know, lose on the damn icing like you were supposed to, kid.
Speaker B:So, yeah, he's pissed off.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And yeah, they just the safety words because Miyaki shows up, saves Daniel like he did in the first time, Right?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:With the skeleton Cobra Kai guys or whatever.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And I don't know where Sato went, though.
Speaker B:Like he should if he got.
Speaker B:He's so impatient.
Speaker B:Like, this is, you know, part of the bad story, whatever these Miyagi looking around, then he leaves.
Speaker B:Well, obviously he left because then he and Miyagi would have duked it out right then and there.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:You know, he had to go take a shit or something.
Speaker B:But like, they.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, if Edmund's so impatient, he would.
Speaker B:Add exactly what he wanted, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:But for the story purposes, he had to leave.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because Chosen and all the goons or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He shows nowhere around, challenges meowing, then says and leaves.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, my stomach hurts.
Speaker A:You know, midnight, you know, another ticking clock or whatever.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I don't know why he wants to fight it, you know, so late.
Speaker B:Anyhow, I like Miyagi's line about you and nephew Lose sleep then.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Be there.
Speaker A:But anyway, right now, as bad.
Speaker A:As bad as Miyagi is.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:I don't know that guy who played Sato.
Speaker A:Buddy.
Speaker A:I have to check the name, but, like, Jackie Chan.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:There's a bulkier guy who is a friend of Jackie Chan's, and they.
Speaker A:They went through the orphanage together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And were both martial artists or whatever.
Speaker A:And I almost wanted to say it was that guy, because.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, it was him.
Speaker A:But I don't remember the name or whatever.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:He's a little bit younger than I remember, so I don't know if that's him or not.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Anyway, whether that guy's an actual martial artist or not, I don't know.
Speaker A:But the good.
Speaker A:But Jackie Chan's friend who.
Speaker A:And he talks about him in his.
Speaker A:In his book.
Speaker A:I got his biography over there or whatever.
Speaker A:But they went through the Chinese orphanage together.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Back in China or whatever.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's the guy or not.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So I don't know if he's an actual martial artist.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But the reason.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And no taking away from Miyagi.
Speaker A:But I don't think anybody wanted to see two elderly gentlemen duke it out in karate as much as they wanted to cut guys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Having the older guys.
Speaker A:Plus, I think it's always Daniel's story, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You got to, as a writer, find a way to get him to fight.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But I don't know.
Speaker B:I guess I was going to say is Miyagi beats them up, saves Daniel, like he did in the first one.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:Like that still doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker B:And Miyagi still ends up.
Speaker B:So they think having to fight Sato to the death.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's just delaying it or whatever.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Because after that, it's plan is we're gonna go home.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Well, then Sato shows up, up in the stakes.
Speaker B:He mourn.
Speaker B:He's gonna bulldoze the whole fucking place.
Speaker A:Yes, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because they were renting the land from Sato.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Sato's like, you fight me, or this village is gone.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Which I thought worked.
Speaker A:I thought that was leverage.
Speaker A:That worked, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Finally hit him where.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Where it counts.
Speaker B:And make him.
Speaker B:Force him to fight or whatever.
Speaker B:So he's like, all right, you win.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's gonna fight him or whatever.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The storm Comes in, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm with you.
Speaker B:Maybe the Dark Knight is a little, you know, a little weak.
Speaker B:I guess I had it, you know, like, the storm comes in, like, to me, like, that's on the dark night of the soul or whatever.
Speaker B:Like, it's a dark night on the dark night of the soul.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:And not the Miyagi would do this, but, like, they end up saving Sato, like.
Speaker B:But he had a chance to kill him and stuff, right?
Speaker B:Casato's Lane.
Speaker B:Even Sato thinks, oh, you know, you come to kill me.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:I'm weak or whatever.
Speaker B:But they save him.
Speaker B:And, yeah, all the stuff that you said, he saves him and then he chosen, you know, is, you know, kicked out of the village or whatever and loses even more, you know, respect and honor because he can't reconcile with Daniel.
Speaker B:Like Sato did.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And he said hate was wrong.
Speaker B:All that stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I guess the breaking the three is if they.
Speaker B:I guess what I had, it was saving the village.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And making everything right, because there's an air base there.
Speaker B:Satos kind of was feeding off these people or whatever.
Speaker B:So now and then the Coliseum wouldn't be in use, and that's where it belongs anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that was gonna have the.
Speaker B:I guess it's kind of a weird breaking of three, but returning home, right.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They think they've got the goal of everything in Okinawa being safe.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And everything.
Speaker B:And all the wrongs have been righted.
Speaker B:And to me, I guess, when chosen, like, sneaks in.
Speaker B:Like, I had that being, like the Hightower surprise, and then him having to dig down deep was the.
Speaker B:You know, with the drum and stuff.
Speaker B:I mean, it works with the breaking the three, too.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, just.
Speaker B:I agree the beats are a little fuzzy.
Speaker B:I did have a thought.
Speaker B:I'm gonna Terminator to it here.
Speaker B:Like our previous podcast with your question.
Speaker B:Maybe not.
Speaker B:Maybe I can answer it.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:So I love the beat with the.
Speaker B:With the drums.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But everybody had them, right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So what was the original plan with those drums?
Speaker B:Because obviously they're there to rally Daniel on.
Speaker A:But what.
Speaker B:What do you think the original plan was?
Speaker A:They had dance and music.
Speaker A:I don't know if it was part of some musical ceremony.
Speaker B:Let's go with that.
Speaker B:I hope so, because.
Speaker B:Yeah, as soon as I.
Speaker B:When I watched it again, looking at this morning, I was like, what was the fucking plan for these things?
Speaker B:Because I know why they're there.
Speaker B:But everybody had just.
Speaker B:Everybody built your drums, and my boy's Getting his ass beat.
Speaker A:You know, I think Miyagi starts it, and then the rest pull it out.
Speaker C:This whole village just carries around those.
Speaker A:It was a dance, though, so I don't know.
Speaker A:Everybody was dancing.
Speaker B:But it's not just like a.
Speaker B:It's not a drum for, like, dancing.
Speaker B:It's the secret.
Speaker A:Who knows what's.
Speaker A:What ceremony or what.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Part.
Speaker A:Maybe part of the.
Speaker A:The closing dance was all.
Speaker A:They all whip out their drums and, you know, it's a big dance, and everybody's together making.
Speaker A:I don't know, because it was the foundation of Miyagi karate.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so it has some symbolic importance for the village and for Miyagi and.
Speaker A:And all that.
Speaker A:Yeah, I can gloss over that, easy.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker A:I didn't balk at that.
Speaker A:In other words.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:Anyway, I enjoyed this movie, but I did think it was a little bit.
Speaker A:I mean, I thought it was a little slow.
Speaker A:A little slower than I would have liked.
Speaker A:And that's much.
Speaker A:Because I never.
Speaker A:I never hated all those scenes with Kimiko and all.
Speaker A:I thought that was meaningful.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But to me, it was like.
Speaker A:Okay, all right, let's.
Speaker A:Let's move it along here.
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:You know, I don't know.
Speaker A:I didn't hate it, but I definitely enjoyed the first one more.
Speaker A:More for the pacing and everything, you know?
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I just like it because it.
Speaker B:I don't know, raises the stakes and you learn more about Biagi and.
Speaker A:No, no, all that is good.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:And, yeah, it seems like they could have.
Speaker B:He fights again, but not in a tournament.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That could have been, like, the.
Speaker B:The easy way out or even maybe the way you expect is, you know.
Speaker A:Daniel, you mean?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Said he fights, you know, to the death or whatever.
Speaker A:I mean, talk about rewriting.
Speaker A:We're not gonna do that.
Speaker A:But, I mean, you could have had Sato being injured, and now Miyagi can't fight him.
Speaker A:And so they.
Speaker A:Each.
Speaker A:Sato demands.
Speaker A:They put forth their proxies.
Speaker A:Well, my proxy is my nephew.
Speaker A:My proxy is Daniel.
Speaker A:So now Daniel is fighting for Miyagi's honor against the nephews fighting for.
Speaker A:I don't know if you wanted to sort of shoehorn Daniel into having to be the one, which is always going to be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, you could.
Speaker B:But I guess with that.
Speaker B:The only problem with that is you.
Speaker B:It doesn't show with Sato coming around.
Speaker B:It shows me all you was.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Sato had to come around, and.
Speaker B:And if he doesn't, then he's you know, douchebag the whole time.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because the.
Speaker B:If the whole thing back to the theme about, you know, living with, you know, you know, no forgiveness in your heart is worse.
Speaker B:Punishable.
Speaker B:Worse punishment than death.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Where Sato is at till he comes around and.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:They could have traded one of those staring at each other's eye scenes for a scene of Sato having some real intro self reflection about what.
Speaker A:Even if it's just in the bunker during the storm.
Speaker A:The storm could.
Speaker A:You could have the storm blowing and the torment backs to us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sato sitting there and as you see his face.
Speaker A:No, no, I know what I'm saying.
Speaker A:Is this what you could have done instead?
Speaker A:I don't think there's enough of the seeing Sato change.
Speaker B:Gotcha.
Speaker A:You know, saying.
Speaker A:So as the storm is blowing, Sato is sitting there having to come to terms with a guy I hate and want to kill.
Speaker A:Just saved my life.
Speaker A:Am I still.
Speaker A:Am I going to fight this?
Speaker A:What honor is there in that?
Speaker A:And if there's no honor in that, is there any honor in anything I wanted to do?
Speaker A:And maybe as the storm clears, Sato now is clearing his spirit on this issue.
Speaker A:And at the end of the storm, as everybody's coming out, you know, Sato, I would have liked to have seen more growth on that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then when the nephew comes by and is challenged, he goes out to.
Speaker B:Help Daniel save the girl in the storm.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:Miyagi let me or whatever.
Speaker B:You know, like, that's.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But I.
Speaker B:That's after.
Speaker A:This is a monumental.
Speaker A:For 30 something years, this guy has chewed nails about Miyagi.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then he just changes.
Speaker A:Now, I agree that he had to change, but I would like to have seen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Show a bigger impact on that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because that's got to be.
Speaker A:That's a.
Speaker A:That's a whole change of paradigm for this guy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I guess maybe reading into it more, even the icebreaking scene, they show Sato when Daniel's starting to do his focusing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They show Sato watching him.
Speaker A:And that's got to be reflective to him.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:That Miyagi's passing on what.
Speaker B:What his dad taught us.
Speaker B:And I'm doing it the wrong way.
Speaker B:I'm raising Chosen in hate because.
Speaker B:Because Chosen is such a dick.
Speaker B:Because he's right, you know, because he says later on, you know, I was wrong.
Speaker B:Hate is wrong.
Speaker B:He's doing it the wrong fucking way because he's so pissed off.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you have to read into that they don't explain it.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I would like to have seen.
Speaker A:But I don't think it's a bad movie.
Speaker A:I don't think it's as good as the first one.
Speaker A:The first one, you know, anyway.
Speaker B:All right, I think I'm done.
Speaker A:Any other thoughts or whatever?
Speaker B:Sherry, do you like it?
Speaker B:Didn't like it.
Speaker B:Fell asleep.
Speaker D:Well, talking about the first one, I.
Speaker D:I really, really like the first one.
Speaker D:This one's different.
Speaker D:It's good.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:It's different.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:What I like, we were supposed to move to Okinawa.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Originally his first orders he received was to Okinawa, and then it changed to the mainland of Japan, and then it changed to where we went, which was in.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Washington state.
Speaker B:Oh, I thought it was G14 classified and you couldn't tell.
Speaker D:Oh, no.
Speaker D:So I've always wanted to go to.
Speaker D:To Japan or Okinawa.
Speaker D:So I enjoyed.
Speaker D:Even though it was technically.
Speaker D:I know it was made in Hawaii.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:I want to go to Hawaii, too.
Speaker D:So anyway, I enjoyed seeing, like, his family home.
Speaker D:He had his.
Speaker D:They had their own dojo with the history on the wall.
Speaker D:I love that sort of thing.
Speaker D:I really do.
Speaker D:I enjoyed the.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:The little love interest that Daniel had.
Speaker A:Yeah, sure.
Speaker D:I mean, I enjoyed that part, but it.
Speaker D:I guess coming after we.
Speaker D:We did watch the first one and then we watched the second one, I was like, wait a minute, it's so different.
Speaker D:But I mean, I still liked it.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Once we get to our paskins, I recommend we can.
Speaker D:Well, and.
Speaker D:And I love, of course, watching karate I didn't like so much in the first one.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:What is it called?
Speaker D:The tournament.
Speaker D:How they.
Speaker D:They do the tournament.
Speaker D:I'd rather see, like, watch Mr.
Speaker D:Miyagi and they're doing the different moves or doing a cotta or something.
Speaker A:Yeah, but, yeah, No, I mean, yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah, but no, I mean, I like to watch them fight or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah, sure.
Speaker A:No, I'd rather.
Speaker D:I would rather watch karate fighting than boxing.
Speaker D:Like in.
Speaker D:In.
Speaker A:Yeah, Rocky, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, well, Rocky is amazing, but, yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, yeah, no, I enjoyed it.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I did like the first one better, though.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker D:I mean, just.
Speaker D:Does that make sense?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:This came out a little bit earlier, but when I was younger, did a lot of sports and martial arts and stuff like that.
Speaker C:So Karate Kid was real big back in the day, and I had mentioned on our chat that I'd rather watch sidekicks, the old Jonathan Brand is Chuck Norris movie, because there's lots of karate in there.
Speaker A:Sure, yeah.
Speaker C:You know, then you got the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which.
Speaker C:There's karate fighting.
Speaker C:There's other examples.
Speaker C:And that's why, looking back at this one, now, being older, I associate this one more with Rocky.
Speaker C:Karate Kid.
Speaker C:Rocky is very similar in feeling than just a karate movie.
Speaker C:Fun, loose, high kicks everywhere.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, and I think that even goes to what the philosophy of karate is like.
Speaker A:This is a karate movie, but it's about the honor and spirituality of karate rather than kicking somebody's ass.
Speaker A:Kicking somebody's ass.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So I'm even.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm definitely on board with that.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:You know, I just felt like there was a lot of slow scenes.
Speaker A:That it is really.
Speaker B:Eyes gazing into each other.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:I just think it's just because it's so different from the first or invest.
Speaker A:In my opinion, it does seem.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:It's so different from the first one.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker D:You think you're gonna tune in and see, you know, same thing, but it is very different.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I think that's why, again, to bring it back to the Rocky.
Speaker C:In Rocky 1, he lost.
Speaker C:So in Rocky 2.
Speaker C:Oh, spoiler alert.
Speaker C:And then Rocky 2, he comes back, and it's essentially the same movie dealing with the fame and everything.
Speaker C:If Karate Kid did something like that where he lost the tournament, but you get to see him get even better and then win the next tournament in Karate Kid 2, that would have been a more enjoyable sequel.
Speaker A:Or talking about rewriting it.
Speaker A:You have.
Speaker A:Because Daniel san is already wanting.
Speaker A:Oh, it's price of fame, Mr.
Speaker A:Miyagi.
Speaker A:So in two, have Daniel go off the rails and to go wholeheartedly into this tournament thing and maybe even have some success and get farther and farther away from Miyagi, where Miyagi has to bring him back.
Speaker A:And Daniel has this revelation of, you know, you were right, Ms.
Speaker A:Miyagi.
Speaker A:And by the end of the movie, he's.
Speaker D:Maybe then go to Okinawa to see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Watch three.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker D:Yeah, I need to watch three.
Speaker C:They did them backwards.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Watch three.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Now, it doesn't.
Speaker B:Like, there's not a whole lot of tournament stuff, but as far as going off the rails and getting further away from Miyagi, as far as his principles, and because there's.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:He's wanting to fight again himself.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's the.
Speaker B:The bad guys are forcing him to fight because they want to.
Speaker B:Cobra Kai wants to regain its former glory status and.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:Status.
Speaker B:And again, Miyagi, you Know, it's for defense.
Speaker B:Defense only.
Speaker B:So they, they start to separate and.
Speaker B:Okay, well, I just watched three I love, but there's definitely plenty of scenes of bullying.
Speaker B:More and more bullying.
Speaker B:I hadn't thought about it until y' all said.
Speaker B:I'm like, shit, all three of these movies is him constantly getting his ass kicked by bullies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, I just love the, the, the fact that these people take karate so seriously, as if it's not just in a strip mall somewhere next to a.
Speaker C:Well, that's, you know, a Foot Locker.
Speaker C:Like, it's not that big of.
Speaker A:Okay, well, that's, that's the American because, Because even though Miyagi says with the belt, belts, Japanese, Chinese have no belts, it was only introduced because Americans needed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Americans need an incentive, you know.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:The whole belt.
Speaker A:Well, what's, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's the American mindset.
Speaker A:What's I gotta, what do I get for this?
Speaker A:What, my status, you know?
Speaker A:Right, Absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Built to hold.
Speaker A:He said something about, you know, I want a black belt.
Speaker A:And he pulls out a belt and hands it to him.
Speaker A:There's a black belt.
Speaker A:Put it on or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, yeah.
Speaker A:No, American karate is, yeah.
Speaker A:It's all about, I'll kick your ass, you know.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Can be.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I, I, I much prefer the idea that karate is a discipline.
Speaker D:And what I liked about it, because we, we took it for several years, is, is about practicing over and over.
Speaker D:Muscle memory, in case is for defense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:You know, in case someone does grab you.
Speaker D:Now I know what you do.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:You, you, you have a reaction.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And, yeah.
Speaker A:Confidence.
Speaker D:It should give you an automatic reaction.
Speaker D:And instead of pulling away, a lot of times it's stepping forward and, you know, and doing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:So that's, that's what I do like about it.
Speaker A:Well, the, the whole, like, the takeaways for me are just self awareness.
Speaker A:Chuck Norris was like, the first rule of karate is always know your surroundings.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Not throw a punch.
Speaker A:Like, Chuck Norris was like, wherever you are, know what's around you, you know?
Speaker A:And then I don't know if you asked her in the movie, you know, why, why are they going so slow?
Speaker A:Or how did they get so fast?
Speaker A:I don't remember what your question was, but like, Chuck Norris in his book says, oh, you want to, you want to be fast at karate?
Speaker A:Well, you have to go slow.
Speaker A:And he estimated that you had to do a move like 10,000 times to build that muscle memory and not as fast as you can.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And that's why the car is always so slow.
Speaker D:It was when he.
Speaker D:I think it was when he was painting.
Speaker D:Painting up, you know, painting.
Speaker D:He's going real slow, but.
Speaker D:But that's gonna put that into his muscle memory.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which again, goes against the idea of.
Speaker A:Well, because Daniel wants to.
Speaker A:How do.
Speaker A:When do I learn punches in this?
Speaker A:You know, that's the mindset.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I want to punch.
Speaker B:I'm learning to kick.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Yet he never throws punches or kicks with Mr.
Speaker C:Miyagi.
Speaker C:But in the tournament, he's kicking ass in ways that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's doing moves we don't see him learn.
Speaker C:We've never seen him learn those deleted scenes.
Speaker A:Well, we have to assume that there was.
Speaker B:That's the same problem as his Empire.
Speaker B:Empire Strikes Back.
Speaker B:You never see Luke learn how to use a lightsaber.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He trained with Yoda.
Speaker B:You never see Yoda training him with a lightsaber.
Speaker B:And all sudden, Luke's, like, pulling out all these fucking moves.
Speaker A:You have to assume that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And even like this, like, as much as Luke has come back and tweaked him, I'm like, really?
Speaker B:You can't throw in.
Speaker B:Like, we.
Speaker B:You know, in the prequels, you showed us Yoda wielding lightsaber, doing some crazy shit.
Speaker B:Give us a wide shot, all CGI of Luke and Yoda and Dagoba doing some training.
Speaker B:Solve that problem, please.
Speaker B:Two seconds.
Speaker A:You can, but you have to assume that there are.
Speaker A:He spent all this time with Yagi.
Speaker B:Miyagi is teaching them all kind of stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Right.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker B:Same problem.
Speaker B:Anyway, pass all around.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker C:Pass all around.
Speaker A:All right, let's get to our.
Speaker A:So we can get this thing.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I have torn down this movie a little bit, but I did not hate it, and I don't think it's badly done.
Speaker A:It is a little bit of a slog, though.
Speaker A:And so definitely recommend number one.
Speaker A:That's a classic, you know, all around.
Speaker A:But number two, I.
Speaker A:I think you should consider it.
Speaker A:If you've seen the first one, you're going to be interested about Miyagi and that relationship, and so it's definitely worth a consideration.
Speaker A:Does it live up?
Speaker A:I think maybe it stands in the shadows of the first one, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah, I would.
Speaker C:I would say pass.
Speaker C:Watch the first one.
Speaker C:It's a classic.
Speaker C:Definitely.
Speaker C:I think you'll get all you need out of it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:The second one, the third one, the Hillary Swank one, I didn't even know.
Speaker A:There was a fourth One.
Speaker C:To be honest with you, I would just say pass.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's just my opinion.
Speaker C:I'd rather do something else.
Speaker A:I think it was for money.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think that was the number of first one.
Speaker A:Nailed it with 91 million on a 12 million budget.
Speaker A:8, 9 million budget.
Speaker A:And they were like, oh, well, they love this.
Speaker A:Let's make a bunch of these.
Speaker A:And I don't know.
Speaker C:And they could have had they gone the way of Rocky.
Speaker C:But like I said about Rocky, you.
Speaker C:You end up turning Daniel LaRusso into a superhero that is something far removed from what.
Speaker B:What he originally was.
Speaker C:Yeah, but that might have been cool to watch.
Speaker C:Hell, I don't know.
Speaker B:You know, in his.
Speaker B:In his biography, says, like, after the first one premiered, the first Karate Kid, and, you know, had this big opening weekend, the producer, like, turned to Macchio and said, we're going to make a couple of these.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, Sherry said, saw something 10 days after the opening of this, they started filming the second one.
Speaker A:Ten days after they started filming this one.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Money, money, money, money.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I guess I want to go with a recommend, but that's because, you know, I guess I like it.
Speaker B:And part of me was.
Speaker B:I was going to say if you like the first one, you.
Speaker B:But maybe not, because you guys all like the first one, but you don't like the second one as much.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess for sure, you got to consider it if you really like the first one and to kind of piggyback off of James.
Speaker B:If you didn't get all you need from the first one and you want to know more and see more Daniel and Miyagi, then.
Speaker B:Then check them out or even, I guess it's fair to say, maybe you're a Cobra Kai fan and you've never checked out the originals of where that came from.
Speaker B:It's worth checking out.
Speaker B:And obviously, don't start with this one.
Speaker B:Start with, you know, the first one.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, I've never seen Cobra Kai, so does.
Speaker C:Does that take into account the things that happened in episode or two and three?
Speaker C:Karate Kid.
Speaker C:Two and three.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Like, so he did go to Okinawa, and it's just a continuation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So far, the only thing they haven't brought in is four with the.
Speaker B:With Hillary Swank.
Speaker C:Why would they.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:No, no, I'm with you.
Speaker B:I'm with you.
Speaker B:But, yeah, no, in the.
Speaker B:It's interesting because Macho does not like threes much either.
Speaker B:He thinks that's the weakest one.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker B:Where the Writers really like three.
Speaker B:And then of course they.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:To me why the show works so much is because the writers really love the whole Karate Kid thing.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:And it's funny, they call it the Miyagi verse, but they, they're able to.
Speaker B:They've combed through these movies looking for nuggets.
Speaker B:And like, you'll hear.
Speaker B:They'll play like a scene kind of how the.
Speaker B:This one did with the.
Speaker B:The recap or whatever.
Speaker B:They'll show scenes from the originals, like working into the current storyline of that episode.
Speaker B:And obviously with Pat Morita, he's gone.
Speaker B:So they have, you know, either flashbacks or there's even some scenes with some letters that he supposedly wrote in it.
Speaker B:I mean, they do a good job.
Speaker B:It sounds like I'm like, they pay tremendous respect to Miyagi.
Speaker B:It's a little cheesy at times, and I guess you could argue that the Karate Kid movies are too.
Speaker B:And that's the only thing that kind of bothers me about it is it's, you know, it comes off kind of.
Speaker B:Kind of cheesy at times, but it's the homage to it and the story and just seeing these, these actors play these characters that much, you know.
Speaker B:And Johnny's fucking great because he's a dude stuck in the 80s, didn't get over it.
Speaker B:So he's not PC at all.
Speaker B:So he's a lot of fun.
Speaker B:He's more fun like it's.
Speaker B:He's so much fun, I guess that when we.
Speaker B:I guess Lace saw Kobrakai first.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so then we went back, started watching Karate Kids and he liked Johnny so much that once you realized Johnny wasn't in the second one, he wasn't as interested in.
Speaker B:I'm like Karate Kid, man.
Speaker B:It's not called.
Speaker B:Because he just liked Johnny so much in the.
Speaker B:Because it's very much.
Speaker B:Cobra Kai is very much a two hander.
Speaker A:It's Johnny, not the movies.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Cobra Kai, the TV show, he liked Johnny so much so that when he.
Speaker B:We went back to watch the original movies and Johnny's not in two or three, he was less interested because he almost liked Johnny more than grown up Daniel.
Speaker B:You know, it's kind of funny.
Speaker B:Anyhow.
Speaker D:I actually.
Speaker D:I guess I would have to recommend it the.
Speaker D:All right, well, because, you know, I do want to see three.
Speaker D:I don't remember if I did or not.
Speaker A:I don't think I did.
Speaker D:I do love the characters.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:You know, to go and watch his history, to see the scenes with his father.
Speaker D:The line that his father said to him when he shows up, it just made me cry.
Speaker D:I was sitting there, just.
Speaker A:No, no, I am.
Speaker A:I don't hate this movie.
Speaker A:And I think I would have, except for the relationship of these characters, that is that.
Speaker A:That makes me forgive all these movies.
Speaker A:Flaws.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:Okay, well.
Speaker D:But what I was going to say is recommend it.
Speaker D:But just keep in mind.
Speaker D:And if.
Speaker D:If I were telling someone, keep in mind it's not like the first one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:You know, and.
Speaker D:And I would also say we have them on dvd, so if you need to borrow or buy them from me now, because I have.
Speaker D:We have the regular Karate Kid separate.
Speaker D:But no.
Speaker D:Anyway.
Speaker D:And then another thing I completely forgot about, and y' all probably don't even know what I'm talking about on Happy Days, I forgot that Mr.
Speaker D:Miyagi, he.
Speaker A:Was ill.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I watch Happy Days.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:I completely forgot about that.
Speaker D:And we were watching some extra features about that.
Speaker D:And then the guy who plays Daniel, I've seen it.
Speaker D:Wasn't he on Psych?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Ralph March.
Speaker A:Yeah, please.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And does he play Ralph Macho or does he play.
Speaker D:No, he plays a car.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:It's sort of a stumbling bumblebee.
Speaker A:Gambling.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cop.
Speaker D:So, I mean, I do enjoy seeing them in others.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He plays almost a.
Speaker C:Well, apart from what Ralph Macchia was in the Outsiders.
Speaker C:He was in the Karate Kid.
Speaker C:What else?
Speaker B:My cousin Vinnie.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker D:Now, I've not seen that.
Speaker C:My cousin Vinny.
Speaker B:Crossroads.
Speaker C:Crossroads was amazing as a guitar player myself.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:With.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, that's.
Speaker A:That's a great movie.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker A:Steve Vai right at the end.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Not a whole lot after that.
Speaker B:That's one thing he talks about in his.
Speaker B:In that biography is trying to distance himself from Karate Kid because anything he went out for afterwards, they're like, is Karate Kid the right guy for the role?
Speaker B:And so he was pissed off that he couldn't take it, and now he's come around where he appreciates it and loves being related to it now.
Speaker B:But it pissed him off at.
Speaker B:You know, at the time.
Speaker C:It's painting his bills now.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:But I thought Machu had some gravitas in these movies.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like his dramatic scene where he's talking to Miyagi about his own father.
Speaker A:Yeah, I thought.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And as a punk kid with attitude, you know, I think he does that well, too.
Speaker B:He's very sarcastic and very, you know.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And in real life, Pat Morita and, and Machia were good friends.
Speaker A:They really became.
Speaker A:Oh, really, really good close friends to Almost.
Speaker D:I wondered about that.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, some of the extra scenes in the extra features, the shows backstage with Miyagi and just still photos and you could tell they were joking.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're hanging off each other.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Pat Morita was nominated for cameo award for Miyagi for the first one.
Speaker B:And they wanted.
Speaker B:Almost said LaRusso, they wanted Ralph Macchio to present it.
Speaker B:And he said no, he just, he was.
Speaker B:I don't remember what he.
Speaker B:Why he explained it, why he turned it down, but he said later.
Speaker B:Now that's one of his biggest regrets.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And later on he got a lifetime achievement award.
Speaker B:Pat Marina did.
Speaker B:So he was able to present that one.
Speaker B:He's like, so in a way I was able to make it up, but it still bugs me that I was a punk kid.
Speaker A:Did Marita win?
Speaker B:I don't think he did, no.
Speaker B:But he just wanted to like go up there and like.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, I guess say it or whatever, you know, and the nominees are.
Speaker B:Or whatever.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I got you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Punk kid and, you know, regrets it or whatever.
Speaker C:Punk kid.
Speaker C:He was 24 when he.
Speaker A:Yeah, man, 24 year old.
Speaker B:Me saying writing it now is 50 or 60 or whatever he is.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, 24.
Speaker A:You still don't know a whole lot.
Speaker C:Oh, no, absolutely.
Speaker C:But I'm just saying he played a 15, 16 year old kid when he was 10 years older than that, which his acting chops in the original and even the second one were really good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't have a problem with any.
Speaker A:Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:But that's again, the problem is now he's Ralph Macho, is LaRusso.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like anytime someone plays a role like that, I think they have a hard time like Stallone trying to shake Rocky or something.
Speaker B:It's not gonna happen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It became Karate Kid especially became iconic.
Speaker A:Wax on, wax off, all that.
Speaker A:It, it's part of.
Speaker A:It became so enmeshed in our culture.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He says, he said in the book, it's, you know, at the time, like, you know, for most of his, you know, I guess adult life since the movies came out, it was, hey, Karate Kid.
Speaker B:Hey, Danielson.
Speaker B:He's walking down the street now.
Speaker B:It's, you know, aren't you the dad in Karate Kid or aren't you the, I mean, in Cobra Cry?
Speaker A:I mean, or.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Well, anyway, and he said he's good with It.
Speaker B:And yeah, maybe James's point, because it pays the bills, but.
Speaker A:Absolutely, you come to terms with your, your, Your legacy.
Speaker A:Your legacy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:You know, and as at this point he's seen that it has meant so much to so many people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He had a lot of stories about that, about meeting people and yeah.
Speaker B:Saying, hey, I was bullied and I learned karate.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Well, I was, I was going to say, like, I wonder how much people took up karate after karate Q1.
Speaker A:It had to been millions.
Speaker C:That was 85, 86, 87.
Speaker C:Like that's all the time when I was in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I've talked about that a little bit as far as like, you know, because he asked me one time like, just why, like there was such this big karate boom in the 70s and 80s.
Speaker B:And I was like, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker B:I can't really explain it, but there was like, it was Norris and Bruce Lee and then, yeah.
Speaker B:Karate Kid and then, you know, Van Damme, Seagal, all these other.
Speaker B:It's just this crazy boom of karate guys, you know.
Speaker A:Well, yeah.
Speaker A:And yeah, indeed.
Speaker B:I was going to say earlier about your point as far as like a karate flick, like a movie where people were, you know, some really kick ass scenes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's so many other movies that have way better fight scenes.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Don't watch Karate Kid for the best fight.
Speaker A:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:But there's more to it.
Speaker B:It's a story there.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's not just.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So Mike.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:My consider is, is a strong consider.
Speaker A:I do not fault the performances in this movie.
Speaker A:I just think mostly the timing, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, it's just interesting.
Speaker B:Some of the things that like, they're one of the reasons I like it.
Speaker B:Because it's different from the first or the same reasons you guys don't like it because it's kind of went in a different direction.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:This is very interesting to me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:All right then.
Speaker A:Anything else?
Speaker A:Not then we are out.
Speaker A:Do you like this movie?
Speaker A:Yeah, I love this Daniel Miyagi.
Speaker A:That is not a weak point in either the first nor the second.
Speaker B:All this, like, I felt like all the exposition was very, very tight and well done.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I think everything is good until they land in Okanawa.
Speaker C:It was almost cartoonish.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's like endless scenes of staring at each other's eyes.
Speaker C:It was just bullies and love story.
Speaker D:That scene bothers me.
Speaker A:I don't remember the movie.
Speaker A:But I remember that scene and.
Speaker A:Wrong answer.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The beats are a little fuzzy.
Speaker A:No, no, I know.
Speaker A:What I'm saying is this is what you could have done instead.
Speaker A:I don't think there's enough.
Speaker D:After we.
Speaker D:We did watch the first one, and then we watched the second one, I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:Big opening weekend.
Speaker B:The producer, like, turned to Macchio and said, we're gonna make a couple of these.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, Sherry said, saw something 10 days after the opening of this.
Speaker A:They started filming the second one ten days after.
