BLIND DATE

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greetings reelers my name is phillip and together with my wife sherry and two of our friends chris and james we're

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thanks for listening okay on with the show are you recording this

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studying a movie in the mechanical level i think can can really bring some revelation

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i believe that no one sets out to make a bad movie with the exception of

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on paper this should work i just don't like it that's your own fault if you haven't

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seen it way over budget start cutting scenes

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even the actors don't know what that movie is about [ __ ] i i wish i wrote that

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which i love the title but that movie's trash well it's oatmeal man that's good for

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you all right so here we are

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fellowship of the real we are uh four people who enjoy movies and so uh we talked about them anyway so

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we thought why don't we do a podcast uh we're gonna start off with uh

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a format that follows what we're gonna do but maybe a little different because

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as movie fans we are also bruce wills fans and as everybody may or may not know

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bruce willis has been diagnosed with a debilitating mental disease and will not be probably making

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movies or really be among us much anymore so we thought before we

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got into the regular way we do our movie reviews that we would have a bruce willis tribute so the

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first four episodes will be bruce willis movies uh

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the format that we will follow is each one of us will pick one a movie and then all four of us will review and

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we'll take turns in a roundtable fashion breaking it down according to certain things that we have talked about and how

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we want to look at movies and we're going to do that with the bruce willis movies but as i said the first four will be bruce willis and the

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are going to look at is from: 1987

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and so uh we're going to look at that and we'll break it down according to like i said the things that that we have

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talked about uh the first uh thing that i always kind of like to look

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at and and this sometimes it's an indicator sometimes not of how

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the quality of a movie or whether it's any good again it's very subjective there are

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movies that i love that didn't make any money and critics hate but you know whatever so

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first thing i thought we'd do is look at the what i'm calling uh the money critics

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fans um then we'll move into uh the story mechanics and this is largely i guess

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what chris and i will get into with james and sherry uh jumping in as they see fit because

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that is basically going through the whole movie uh chris and i like to write so this is essentially from a writer's perspective

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uh but it will also be good for james and sherry to jump in with their thoughts and regulations

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uh followed by a wrap up any trivia or anything that we noticed about the movie that uh we thought was cool and then a

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final judgment uh when you submit a script it gets a pass a consider or a recommend and so i thought it would be

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cool that each of us give our own past consider or recommend

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based on the movie um usually the person who picks the movie does the uh name and synopsis sort of

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gives the name in a brief synopsis of the movie james did you have that if not i do i if you got it i'll take a look at it

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that's fine yeah i i uh i was gonna read it directly off imdb as to not

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well get a little confused but what do you have um and we'll get into this as we go but but

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blind date uh and i don't want to like pass judgment but um

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uh i i anyway let's wait yeah let's just start uh my hesitation probably tells you everything judgment has started the

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ed so all right so blind date: 1987

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a workaholic needs a date for dinner with a new important clientele but his brother sets him up with a date that

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could lead to disaster okay so that's the synopsis i've seen others that talk

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about uh kim bae sugar's character being problematic when she drinks uh

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all of them are very surface level sort of descriptions um and and i think that's part of the

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problem but we'll get into that when we go uh this had a budget of 17 million um

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shockingly well i i need to stop making these judgments 17 million dollars and it made

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its money back with a gross of 39 million released only in the united states uh

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sorry i had a quick question um it doesn't matter it may lead nowhere but you're james you said that uh you were

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looking at a synopsis on imdb was it uh drastically different from what phil

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nope but out that's pretty much the same that's pretty much it it's basically a little bit uh a little bit more thorough but yeah like

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what you think okay he's a workaholic he's got a meeting he's got to have a dinner date yeah uh silliness ensues and

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so yeah just you had made a phil you made a reference about them being kind of uh i don't remember what you you just said

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two seconds ago i can't remember something about shallow or on the nose just not a whole lot there i guess is what it sounded like i was just curious

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if his went you know more in depth i've seen several and and like even meant even references to the underworld you

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know he gets in trouble with the cops in the underworld and i'm not certain that i remember anything about the underworld anyway but

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you know that's the uh that's the thugs and stuff and then the criminal element is would be my guess

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well okay shut up chris no does you were sir it's a

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we'll break this down as we get into it and i'll i'll dose out my uh my disdain no no disdain right you have to remember

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look you can have disdain it's just you know it's you keep saying i don't want to judge but you already have we'll judge in small doses you have to

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the year that it was released: 1987

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very first very first movie after moonlighting right he was in moonlighting this was oh he's doing at

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the same time 85 is when moonlighting started yeah and then you have john laraquette i'm sorry maybe 86. uh john

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laraquette was on night court at the time yep yeah and phil hartman was on snl at the time they were all pretty new

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and this was their all first kind of featured film yeah so okay it was kind of a safe choice i think for them when

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it comes to writing style it was a silly movie this uh i remember seeing this movie a

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long time ago and i guess i liked it but i watched it this time and because because it has it has a lot of

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heavy hitters in it like phil hartman and larry head and and and kim basinger i mean uh bruce willis

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there's there it's got a lot of heavy hitters in it um and early earlier in their career not sure the first thing

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they've done but maybe first time they were really on the main american culture right yeah

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yeah um critics and fans hated this movie okay uh no way no way

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tomato meter 24 for the critics and 42 percent for the audience which

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that is 24 of the people who watch this only gave it three stars or higher and

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that's on rotten tomatoes yeah so and that's always scares me maybe you guys know the answer i've never i guess done any research to look into it but like so

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this movie came out would we say 87 yeah rotten tomatoes internet that wasn't around right so this is all clearly

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after the fact it could be years later that people watched it so it just it's i'm curious to me like you know like how you know as far as

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their opinions and stuff like because it says like you can't really in my opinion you can't apply rotten tomatoes to an

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older movie like that just not that their opinions maybe have changed maybe they felt exactly that same way in 87

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but i mean i mean that's all after the fact right so because it could be people like you going back and watching it or it could even be people like me who you

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know i'd never seen it until you know she decided to do this podcast well um i did have a supervisor who

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she just thought it was the most hilarious thing i guess when it came out or on video

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yeah back in i don't know the 80s or 90s whatever it was and that's the reason i watched it and i

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didn't think it was that funny the first time but when we watched it again i

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a lot of it was it was funny well uh

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it hasn't aged well if that's any indication so yeah does not hold up does

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according to critics and fans now also you said it uh uh like i'm not trying to be devil's

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advocate i promise but you also said fans and critics hated it but it made it funny back too it did it was

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only released domestically didn't ever get worldwide yeah and i'm curious on that too i'd

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have to go back and look like when did they how when did they start releasing movies internationally because they rose they could make you know more money and

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they can make even more you know some movies do better internationally than domestically like was that even a thing

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in 87 or i'm sure it was but like how many i guess i'd be curious how many movies in 87 got released worldwide

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versus just domestically yeah uh so money it made it critics and fans

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panned it at least have been panning it so uh

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the fact that it i guess it almost doubled its money so it's not outstanding but it did

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make money there's no blind date two so you know maybe it was just enough uh

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so the uh so that's money critics fans the when we get into store mechanics that's sort of uh

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my bread and butter i know it's chris is bread and butter uh sherry and chris were like we're not i mean sherry and james were like we're not making we're

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not doing homeworks and that's cool uh so you can jump in as you guys see fit

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uh and so when i say this maybe james and sherry won't necessarily know what i'm talking about chris will um

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and i guess i should say something about that we're following the blake snyder sort of breakdown of movies there are many that i i like i usually use blake

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snyder's just because it's so fast to the way crack a story is a perfect no but it is super fast if you're looking

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to crack a story or analyze the story and so he has certain genres um and so i picked and maybe chris can

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speak to whether he chose this also or whether what he thinks of it um in terms of blake snyder's genre i picked

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monster in the house for uh for this movie which uh if you're not familiar with uh the

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breakdown of his genres monster in the house requires a monster uh a house

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which means a locale where things happen you know it can be general vague whatever and a sin

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uh and so i was able to sort of peg those three things uh

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in terms of the genre did you have any thoughts about that's interesting um so i did the homework and actually forgot to put the genre on i

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think all four of these films but i should be able to do it on the fly um it's interesting i'm not sure i agree

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with the monster in the house but i guess i want to go back just a minute with uh blake snyder um so he believes that every movie can be

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uh incorrect me if i getting this wrong phil he believes that every movie can be broken down into 10 genres it's one of

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ten genres yeah right and then he has 15 story beats that he does for that he breaks down every story um

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one of us probably me will slip up i think at one point we've gotten to the habit of you and i have calling him catboy yeah so cause he has a his books

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or save the cat that's what it's called um blake snyder's uh where he reveals these 15 beats anyhow

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so somehow on our shorthand we started calling him catboy so if you say catboy we're talking about blake schneider right um anyhow back to

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munch in the house oh sorry go ahead i wanted to ask a question um monster in the house are there any examples of yes

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jaws yeah aliens um and i figured you'll probably get into the because each of his genres

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have i think three things that make it you know why it's a monster in the house or why it's whatever it is um

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again i didn't do this part of the homework so i apologize but i guess my gut instinct was due with a problem uh genre not monster in the house

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um i thought about that uh um

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but the way the the synopsis reads and the way this movie is

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structured kim basinger is a normal person who turns into this uh

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horrendous chaotic force in bruce willis's life right so um i don't remember

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everything about all the genres i i wrote down the ones and then just the three uh that i remember

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um but in terms of the monster i think kim basinger is the monster right the house is his date is going to the dinner or

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whatever yeah and the sin and we can get into this um and i and i really suspect i know what

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the problem with this movie is and and we'll get to that i guess at the end or or whatever

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uh because i think the sin uh

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it's twofold i think i know what they were trying to do but i i just

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i don't think sure the execution wasn't there in your opinion so the sin uh

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the movie starts out and and and and what's his name uh walter yeah bristol's characters walter yeah

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uh is an uptight executive but secretly he's a

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guitarist right and so he has this life that he wants to pursue but he feels like he has to do this

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other thing and so chaos comes into his life and

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through this i i i think they meant for him to transform you know she was going to be the

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transformative influence in his life and by the end of the movie you know he he would realize his true self and all this

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kind of thing and like i said we can break it down as we get to it but i think his sin is that

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okay um and i don't know that they intended this but the takeaway i got from this

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like as i say we can do this as we go through but walter's character who is supposed to be

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the guy you feel for i think right he's the guy that is the victim of this blind date right

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is is is almost virtually completely unsympathetic to me throughout this movie and that the sympathetic character

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the one i'm feeling for is kim basinger's character and as we go through the beats

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i can talk about why i think that sure and i'm not sure that's what they intended so his sin

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uh because obviously you can't give her alcohol or she freaks out and she's

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walter is told that uh nadia is kim basinger's character she tells him i shouldn't drink and dave was

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like oh what could her no have some and almost to to the absurd level does he

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sort of bring alcohol into this situation so his sin in my opinion

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is is okay you know you're you're trying to to voiced alcohol upon this woman who was

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saying no right now that maybe that is looking back at it with today's eyes where you know no means no and this kind

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of thing but yeah as i had similar thoughts on that not necessarily on that beat but just at the beginning when all

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the there's all the the men are sitting around the table at work and yes i think there's two females there and they start

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cracking jokes about you know women and stuff and armoring like what they said but they they have a specific shot of showing a female not being amused right

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and and he thought about the concubines about the their client that they're meeting yes he says uh he's a very old world and women should know their place

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but then he's got 13 concubines or whatever i had a thought on that as that was happening in the movie this last

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ards yeah the man was born in: 1922

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so at this time he was well into his right he was old well and he had a guy and had 13 concubine

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himself yeah and he you know the director of pink panther okay i knew his name but i couldn't i

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didn't like him yeah mickey and maud the man but his his repertoire goes back to

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the 50s right now he was no i don't think him at all that's just

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i don't know where did that come from that's where it was fair enough well yes but i think it's part of the story too though exactly sure but he was one of

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the reasons she's empowering very much her characters empowering women i feel like well she wrote she uh rails against

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everything that they talk about as far as women know in their place and all this stuff right draining chief drinking alcohol and turning into this monster as

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you call there i guess but um yeah it's i don't know i thought that was interesting it definitely reminded me in this in the shot there towards the

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end with the balcony and the dog yeah that reminded me just the way that it was shot very

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s: 1970

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it feels like an old movie in: 1987

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and this will not be the first time i say this you guys are too young okay ouch but i we i grew up on blake snyder

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and blake snyder is known for edward one blake edwards yeah is is uh blake edwards is

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uh known for a certain type of movie okay and it's a movie that in my opinion is light on story yes and heavy heavy

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heavy on raunch and sight gags yes okay uh all the pink panthers

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uh he made a movie called victor victoria um which i saw once i don't remember that

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so much but it was about uh i think a cross-dressing broadway person or something anyway

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uh most most famously he made a movie called sob and

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and quite literally i think that the whole purpose of that movie was for julie

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andrews from sound of music you know miss innocent sweet julie andrews the whole purpose of that movie was her

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flasher tits okay because that's what the movie's about is getting this sweet actress into a role where she

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flashes your tits and then she does it's very very light on story and heavy on the ranch inside gags well that makes

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total sense now yeah for sure yeah yeah definitely there was i have some notes in there and i think i just got my answers but yeah yeah i mean let's go

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ahead and get into it if we're ready uh that was the end of the introduction maybe it's not yeah um

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i think that's i think that's what we're dealing with when you're dealing with this kind of movie so

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based on that i had a hard time nailing down concrete 15 beats i think i think

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they're blurry at best um we're supposed to in the opening image walter is uh running around we're

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supposed to get the idea that he's you know frenetic his his life is almost out of

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control because he's trying to pursue uh money and success and he thinks this

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is the way to do it and so he's running late or whatever i watched this opening scene of walter i

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don't know how what you guys thought of this opening scene of walter like packing his suitcase in his apartment and putting his tie on and

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and to me like it was the most slow plotting

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gotta hurry scene i've ever seen in my life okay like i'm watching bruce okay

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and he's supposed to be in a hurry and i'm looking at my watch like this scene is going on forever and he's

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he doesn't seem to be moving fast it just seems very plotting the whole pacing of that scene

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when he's supposed to be in this yeah big hurry i didn't i didn't think about it um really like that um but as far as

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like why was it slow and then did it feel slow but i know i guess looking back on

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it now like my thoughts started wondering like i remember when he was uh messing around with this briefcase and on the at the table and like you said

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you know things trying to get dressed i started thinking about his performance and um and i guess i did that a lot with

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just these four movies and we can get into it later but just his performance and how it changed from the different movies yeah and the different characters

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like i feel like out of the four movies we chose he um he plays two kind of outgoing characters

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and then two very subdued characters yeah um so i was thinking about that but again watching this movie movie just

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starts mine's already wandering um and yeah i think that's 100 and

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that's why you just nailed it it's slow like it should have been quick cuts like yes i think i was going to kind of wait and see if i

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still felt this way after we got done talking about this movie but i'm going to go ahead and say it i feel like maybe this movie after pointing out blake

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edwards and what this guy's done in his style and i think james you know hit the nail on the head this

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movie felt old in 87 87 was like you know i mean cinnamon was starting to change at this point i mean

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there's so many like exciting movies that came out of the 80s yeah um i think this movie had been

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directed by somebody younger and somebody more dare i say hip this movie might have been a lot better than it was

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because yes it's again i think it's that slow this guy didn't have the quick cuts that the energies just needed to show

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this guy rushing around yeah he said it came off let me just he sets up the camera and just lets it play instead of

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you know changing the angles and making quick cuts right he uh he hasn't he

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and i i want to say that it was obviously towards the end of this crew i don't know how many more movies he made after this

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but yeah he is still he is he made one kind of movie yeah uh and

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there was a time when you know that was the thing and but i i think by this time

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uh not so much um and i guess since it's you and i talking about the beats i guess um you were talking about opening

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image my opening image was a little bit different from you i feel like you kind of described the opening sequence yeah

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and i tried to narrow it down to a single image every time um and so i had him like the first time we see him he's

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asleep at his desk and the bed's clearly made so yeah this guy's so busy that he

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falls asleep at his desk right right before we see him rushing around all that like you get that and the uh again

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i don't think the movie was i'm with you the movie wasn't executed as well especially the story in his arc that they were trying to tell but there's a

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cool shot of the guitar forgotten in the corner right yeah very nice guitar by the way is it uh fender stratocaster

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nice very nice jeez all right um yeah so so this and he's

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asleep because he stayed up late we learned later he stayed up late trying to work on this big presentation

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um so he's a plugger he's a worker uh he's got a friend who who

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even during the meeting didn't do his work right and and he makes some excuse and the boss was like okay he gets away

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with it yeah gets away with it while bruce is walter is uh slaving away yeah killing

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himself yeah and his boss says you look like [ __ ] your suit looks like [ __ ] you know you know look at this guy here and just the one doesn't do anything so this

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is his life he's in a place he does not want to be he's a rock and roller in a three-piece suit kind of thing you know that's

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that's the impression that that we're getting well the the also that i haven't known here as far as the

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setup goes um also they set up the co-worker i remember his name being his complete sleazebag yeah you know and

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he's like telling the story about you know this chick and the limo and yeah bruce was like no this didn't happen

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this is you know you're making this up and then and he shows him like his pictures or whatever right how do you get women to do these things like my

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first thought was he was jealous of of him like walter was jealous of his friend

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do you get women to do these things right and then a little bit later like i don't know that that's necessarily the case just

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that was my first impression that maybe he was jealous of it which he's probably just jealous of the this guy can has the

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girl you know cannot do his his work you know at the job and not get yelled at by the boss he's got a nice suit yeah it

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definitely struck me as i'm doing everything i can and this guy's not doing anything and gets all of it it's

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everything yeah what am i doing wrong i don't belong here that's what i got out of that yeah and and

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uh so he was rushing russian rushing but now he's able to stop and look at pictures

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and talk like like yes you know so uh some of the story logic

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but again blake snyder's not interested in that blake snyder is interested in where's the next guy edwards where's

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blake edwards yeah edwards blake stoner is very much interested in that he is absolutely uh

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where's the next gag right okay so um any any other thoughts or whatever

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about these opening sequences um you got you have any thoughts about

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this how this movie started off for you or whatever i mean no not really

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yeah i mean i don't know yeah i mean i

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i just thought it uh jerry's like i was asleep yeah um no i

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i mean i have thoughts about the movie but yeah well we got about what y'all were talking about well

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yeah and like things like um you know like i miss phil hartman and stuff yeah glad to see him and

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i i don't remember him being in the movie so yeah i didn't know he i didn't know he was in the movie to be honest with you yeah stace pointed them out

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before before i noticed it was them yeah um and i mean it did bring back a lot of

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memories from the 80s yeah yeah uh

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yeah this this is a guy who had big movies in the 70s making a movie in the 80s and i think and i and i

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think he there's there's one singular reason that i think this movie is like it is um and i don't know

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when to bring that up but let's get we'll just run through this real quick and then then we can have general discussion or

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whatever so this is his his normal situation and

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obviously in any story a character is going along until a rock is dropped in his pond and he's forced

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to react well the catalyst here is and again this is all sort of you know it's it's not major but

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he has a date for this big uh party and the rules have already been set up that it's an old world guy you got to be on

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your best behavior and everything and bruce willis date is canceled walter's date is cancelled and so now he is

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having to get another date and his brother sets him up with nadia uh

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as is you know according to you know good story mechanics typically

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the hero refuses so walter is refusing to go on this date with nadia initially

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because he has had experience with his brother setting him up before and it hasn't gone well right it hasn't hasn't gone well

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uh a movie that i thought of when i was watching this that uh is also a monster in the house

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and maybe that sort of influenced my decision um was was gremlins i don't you've all seen

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gremlins there were certain rules about what you could do and not do with a gremlin like you couldn't get them whether they turned into monsters well

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that's essentially i think what is happening with with nadia okay she is she's a gremlin until you get her drunk

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right and then she turns away around she's gizmo i guess that's sort of what no i had a

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similar thought on that yeah yeah just with the rules i think is what it was well not i still don't i'm not convinced

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it's monster in house right um but just yeah i mean the biggest the other monster how much in the house

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movies we talked about right gremlins jaws um aliens ripley doesn't go out end up with the

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alien at the end right the roy schneider doesn't end up with joss right they they kill the you know right well well all

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right okay maybe you got something maybe there's later on he kills the monster the monster gets killed because

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you know we could jump right to it but the final image obviously is them together i mean who didn't see that coming right and and in the champagne

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bottle is a bottle of coke right so the monster has to be either subdued or killed like they have to kill that monster for them to

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continue on right they they can't it's if you turn jaws into a house pet

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maybe i guess i don't know a goldfish yeah you know i know i i definitely i saw the coke at

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the end for sure um in the in the champagne this movie he's wanted to be clever so bad

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i i just could have i don't feel there's like they didn't set that up like that i don't feel like they

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if she's being tamed right like i feel like she's one just like at the beginning she's one freaking drink away

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from ruining the honeymoon now you know what i mean or the next date or whatever it was they were going on after that

28:14

like i didn't get any sense of she's turned the corner she's not going to drink anymore like ever

28:20

again well she wasn't drinking before she and and tells me she said no but she didn't put up that much of a

28:26

fight like if i know i'm turning into freaking you know jekyll or hide sorry hide yeah like if i'm in that

28:32

situation as soon as i have a drink i'm turning into freaking height i'm gonna put up a little bit more of a fight then uh oh no i shouldn't i should oh okay

28:38

well you know like no sure she's gotta drink it for the store to work too but well yeah

28:45

okay i'll just say this so much stuff happens in this movie because they needed it needed to need it

28:51

too yeah that's the worst kind of one of the worst sins is a as a writer yeah sure well this happened because i needed

28:56

to and i wanted uh i i just i want to say it but i want to get through this because it'll it'll

29:03

justify everything um yeah so so but that's that's what i think is part of walter's sin okay is he

29:10

doesn't heed the sin in gremlins was that they got wet or they were allowed to get wet right i can't remember it

29:16

yeah yeah yeah better metro midnight and then they yeah they got wetlands uh and

29:22

we're fixing to get into the to because because the debate the debate is not really any debate he does refuse

29:28

and his his bump into accepting is that he can't find anybody else yeah everybody say there's a beat where he

29:33

calls the scene where he calls somebody else and she's not available or whatever right so yeah so then he commits right

29:39

and calls ted about the yeah so he accepts the call which leads us to our break into two the

29:44

second act right so now he has to step into the choice he's made and him and nadia

29:50

uh and this uh i will i will and almost want to say it's un

29:56

unintentional unless it's a leftover which i'll say in a minute uh because i noticed this about some of

30:02

the movies we watched and and it is interesting to me when this kind of thing happens like when you go to the

30:08

first act of the second act it's a different world right so you're leaving your ordinary world and you're going into the

30:14

strange new world of the second act it should be you yeah uh and so i started noticing the act breaks

30:19

just in these four movies and a lot of times it is through like a physical actual door

30:25

that they'll step through a door from the first act into the second act and you can tell me if if you

30:32

peg the second act where i'm pegging it but so he debates and then he goes to

30:37

meet nadia uh at her hotel or apartment or whatever it is and

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knocks on door steps into the door of her room and now we're into the second act

30:48

is that you know that's where i had it like i mean i guess i wrote it down as his breaking into him actually calling ted going okay i'll go on the date um

30:54

but yeah but yeah but you're because that's his decision but yeah the basically the first scene of act two of the funny games is going

31:01

through the doorway yeah and i didn't i missed that i didn't even think about him going through a doorway but that's uh

31:06

crossing the threshold yeah exactly yeah one of the one of the little bit a little bit of credit there but yeah um

31:12

yeah him going to pick her up and that's her apartment yes is that what we got uh i can't remember if it's

31:18

her apartment or her hotel i can't remember because it's not a random apartment that she just

31:23

is staying at no she's staying there but she's uh her brother's his brother's uh

31:30

wife's cousin right or something yeah so i don't know if she's in town i brought it up because there's a i got a note for later on when he's uh we can

31:36

go ahead and talk to it talk about it i guess since i brought it up but like later on he's i just want to take you home now where did they make this big

31:42

huge deal where's your friend's address give him the address and and when i'm watching this i'm like why didn't he just take her if he's so

31:47

eager to get rid of her back to where he picked her up from like what about she packed her suitcase and it was in the back so she was

31:54

gone you're right she didn't have the suitcase i think it was a hotel it's just a hotel okay yeah yeah well

32:00

i got a credit card i'm checking you back in this hotel that's what i would have done well yeah but no uh here's a bus stop lady yeah but um okay i missed

32:07

that yeah all right you're right suitcase on the hotel okay good so so if this is

32:13

a romantic comedy which i think it should be uh that you know but it's a monster in the house

32:18

this can't be a romantic comedy well it can't be a uh what is it buddy love that's what he calls it

32:24

yeah um sorry the break into two like the the they meet each other the lights go out

32:30

uh and when they finally do meet it's almost like their love at first sight they're both very pleased with each other's appearance or whatever right on

32:37

a blind date you want them to be ugly right so they're both actually like that be where the lights go out and it's like and because she's making jokes about it

32:43

here's your chance to run yeah no it's a meat cute right that's how the they first meet or whatever

32:49

um a meat cute yeah that's what it's called yeah meat cute is uh yeah uh um is the point in the con in a

32:58

romantic comedy that that brings the two lovers uh across each other's paths and it's

33:03

usually outlandish and a big event in the story right it's not yeah it's gotta be clever you can't just be them run into each

33:09

other at a coffee shop right that's boring nobody wants to see that so they like uh i can't think of any examples

33:14

all of a sudden but like romance comedies typically do it really well um um like there was one i think i decided

33:20

i don't think it was romance coming but there's a i think the movie's called stuntman or something i don't know that's romance comedy but he's

33:25

how they meet the meat cute how the main guy who's a stuntman meets the love interest is he ends up saving her um on

33:31

the uh he's a stuntman ends up saving her life or whatever by performing a stunt right so

33:36

that kind of thing just yeah there's two characters together yeah but in a in a weird interesting way yeah yeah yeah

33:44

it's it is a major beat in romantic comedies and it's usually a lot of fun or whatever you know

33:50

um done well it's fun yeah the the one thing one of the things i did like about the scene and it's you

33:55

know just a clever little twitch walter burns his hand like he's holding the match and he burns his hand and he's

34:00

staring at her so long sure but it's it's it's and again i i don't want to

34:07

credit too much he doesn't want to praise the movie too much okay all right let me let me just

34:13

say this all right but he's being sucked in and seduced by this well he burns his hand yes which is foreshadowing of you

34:20

are in for some pain and yeah hot time you know now all right let me just

34:25

put this out there because you know if not i'll be stumbling over the rest of the time until i get to it

34:30

the writer of this movie he wrote the movie okay i can't remember his name i didn't remember his writers

34:37

names phil well barely and he doesn't want you to remember his name along with this movie he wrote the movie

34:43

and submitted it yes dale loner blake edwards uncredited and leslie dixon okay well blake edwards had

34:49

a director okay hand in it so i looked up this writer and he he wrote what was his

34:54

name dale lohner he wrote um dirty rotten scandals he wrote my cousin vinnie this guy's people useless people

35:01

he's got chops okay what the hell happened to you edward ruined it when he came in and he he i

35:06

even have a quote uh yeah he wanted nothing to do with it yeah oh nothing like where i thought you were going was

35:12

alan smithy like because i didn't pay attention i thought you i think it almost got to that level if you want to explain what alan smith is ellen smithy

35:19

is when when you know as a writer for project is so bad like it's just your baby was ruined so bad and you don't

35:24

want anything to do with it you don't want the world to know that you had anything to do with it you can have the instead of your name put on the credits

35:30

you can put alan smith right right so this i put this at the at the bottom when i was looking up you know trivia

35:36

and stuff but this is an actual quote from the writer okay blind date was rewritten by so many people if you hated

35:42

it it's not my fault and if you liked it i can't take credit for it and he actually like disavowed it yeah that's okay

35:49

uh he disavowed this movie and and it lists two people uncredited but if you look further there's like two or three

35:56

more people yeah who had their hands on this thing after he did so i would love to have

36:02

gotten a hold of like the script he wrote because i bet it's tight like yeah you know his other movies aren't my favorites but

36:08

i've seen him and liked them right my cousin vinnie is really good you know um i've never seen that one

36:15

and uh dirty rotten scandals was steve with steve martin right yeah yeah and michael kane yeah so uh okay

36:20

but he disavowed this movie right he's like if you liked it i had nothing to do with it and if you know if you hated it

36:26

it's not my fault you know leave my name out your mouth

36:32

because for whatever reason and and i can only assume that blake edwards got hold of this

36:37

thing it's like well where's all my jokes man where's all my jokes and

36:42

and went to work and yeah maybe the writer said something along the lines of you want your jokes in there you write home and so he did

36:48

yeah uh he i think he took the money and he left the building because i hope the check was uh worth it yeah because yeah

36:54

that sucks yeah as a as a writer to yeah because he's probably proud of his draft you know yeah no i'd be interested to know what

37:01

his draft looked like because i guarantee it didn't look like this which means it probably was tighter you know

37:08

i couldn't nail down a theme on this like there was no point it was at no point did i ever hear a character or a theme stated my god a theme in a blake

37:15

edwards movie forget it right i mean i well yeah what's funny is i was looking here at my notes and um i used the so

37:23

try to make this quick went through and just wrote down all the 15 beats yeah and then just use that same format for each movie yeah and then went in and

37:29

like changed my stuff and on by date the theme i have written here is the actual the theme for unbreakable like so the

37:35

theme was so not obvious in this movie that i even skipped over that beat and didn't go back yeah i have no theme

37:41

state no theme no apparent theme stated i just wrote that i like yeah i skipped that because that's asking too much that

37:47

uh um what do you mean theme like

37:52

typically a character somebody will say what the

37:58

emotional story is okay uh

38:03

we'll get to it when we get to unbreakable right but in unbreakable uh i think it comes

38:09

there's reasons for it but i think it comes way late i think the theme is we live in mediocre times and people

38:15

don't realize that there is extraordinary potential in themselves or anybody else you know and so that's the theme is

38:23

you know is the times we are living in devoid of people who can still have extraordinary things in themselves and

38:28

the movie answers that question yeah it's typically a statement and then the a well done movie will then spend the

38:33

rest of the movie um arguing that is it true or not this statement and it usually takes place within the first

38:39

five or ten minutes oh doesn't necessarily have to yeah and again the way we're breaking down

38:44

this movie is one way i think i think we can talk about it when we get to it but i think unbreakable

38:51

does something different uh than than usual and that there's reasons for it but

38:56

the i think you know there's because i'm looking for a character to say something that is the

39:03

argument of the movie uh you know um and then like chris said the rest of the

39:08

movie we'll talk about it i think that's that argument is that argument 16 blocks

39:13

nails the [ __ ] out of this and i can't wait to talk about that but this movie

39:19

you are you are uh looking for gold in a dung heap as far as the theme goes

39:26

because even romantic comedies will have a theme sure good good romantic comedies

39:31

uh will have a theme that that one lover needs to learn the other and that the other lover teaches them or that they

39:36

both need to learn and you see i'm saying so uh yeah i said it before but like you know

39:43

with i i wish action movies and other movies had the same

39:48

uh structure same they all have same structure the same tightness you take ten romantic comedies their structure is

39:55

going to be nailed down and you take 10 action movies or 10 dramas and their structure is not going to be as tight as

40:00

romantic comedies like romance comedies nail structure down like all those writers know what they're doing yeah no it is yeah and i wish as

40:07

romance comedy being one of my least favorite movies uh types of movies i wish action movies and dramas and

40:12

comedies and other stuff had the the structure that romance comedies do yeah um

40:17

but that's why they're the number one seller right like romance books are still the number one seller and i'd be willing to bet it's cause that tight

40:23

structure uh besides fantasy fulfilling right and and i've heard screenwriters say it i'm sure blake blake snyder you

40:29

know would have been a full agreement even when he's talking about structure but uh

40:37

writers and directors have said that when people go to a movie uh they don't go to a movie to learn about

40:43

structure or whatever they go to a movie to feel something sure and and so i've even heard like people say that

40:49

two-thirds of your movie can be mediocre but if you grab them at the end that's what they're going to remember right so

40:54

uh so that's that's what i think uh a theme will capture a theme will put

41:00

something out there and and you will feel it uh because when i watch unbreakable like we watched it this time and i i get the

41:07

same reaction every single time i watch it okay and i've seen it i know it's coming but i never jaded by that movie okay uh

41:15

i have the same i cry in the same spots every single time because that movie has done it they they

41:23

know what they're going for and they do it um this this movie i feel like has lost

41:29

some identity and i think it's because they took the script away from the guy who wrote it and so many people i was

41:34

going to say that and we can get into it later but um it's interesting note like when you said that a thought occurred to me like we referenced this movie being

41:40

directed by a guy who's probably past his prime yeah right and and making a different kind of movie for 87 and then

41:47

the writer he even like took over kind of for the writer it sounds like and hijacked the project a little bit yeah

41:52

um unbreakable was written and directed by the same guy yes like one guy was in control of all of it right

41:57

um i don't know the writer necessarily of 16 blocks but

42:02

uh i was very pleased and i just i guess i didn't know it when i went in we'll get into it when we talked about 16 blocks but richard donner directed that

42:09

and i walked away from that movie thinking man because he did all the all the lethal weapons right right he obviously no

42:15

story did the superman or whatever you know donna cut it right but he he like shyamalan uh

42:21

has a very definite vision and a very large skill set to achieve that vision i

42:28

don't want to take away anything from blake edwards because he makes a certain kind of movie and he did that movie well uh but his skill set is not story and

42:36

it's not uh theme uh when you're making a movie you know

42:41

about uh some actress you know removing her top and that's your movie

42:47

but but people who go to those movies know that and so they're waiting for the next play wars movie to come out because that's you know like like action

42:54

movies right i mean right you sit next to a guy with you know with a ball cap and

42:59

a trucker shirt on and he's cheering it at statham well he you of tar you've hit your target audience right he's not

43:05

gonna he's not gonna watch you know downton abbey or whatever right so you gotta know your audience and blake edwards knew his audience

43:11

um i wanted to uh i wanted to like uh like stop you or go hey hey hey man like wait a minute but

43:17

uh it's you uh i don't know what the guy looked like but you caused uh i had a memory when

43:22

id that came back uh well and: 1993

43:29

and the first um unlike some of his other movies that when i feel like takes a little bit to get into him like doing his his action

43:36

and his kicks and his fights and yeah i think he jumps up on the hood of a car and kicks this guy in the first so it's

43:41

kind of this um it's not just a regular kick it's you know kind of i guess i don't know like showy right yeah which

43:46

fandom is all about showy kicks anyhow um this guy i don't know what he looks like i remember specifically he's watching

43:52

the theater when van damme jumps up and kicks this guy i remember a guy in the crowd going yeah getting all excited and

43:57

that's that's exactly the guy you're describing that guy was he was if he wasn't hooked already he's looked for the rest of that movie and cheering

44:04

every time vanessa he went to your face and and i think and people who went to see blake edwards movies right if you were a

44:10

teenage kid yeah you went to see a black everest movie because you were going to see yeah you know what you wanted so many a

44:17

little bit of raunchy a little bit of rocks playing so many of the gags in this that i just i felt completely out of place like yeah

44:23

you don't get me wrong i love raunchy but this was i was not expecting that going into this movie yeah like the rest of the the the art gallery that they go

44:30

to right yeah okay yeah that's erotic art well the reason that is because it's blake edwards right there's

44:35

well and part of that and i meant to look it up and i feel bad that i didn't and i'm pissed off actually that i didn't look it up um on who that artist

44:40

was because the imagery in there reminded me of um and i'll probably get the name wrong but i want to say it's hr gigger

44:47

the guy that did alien is it him geiger yeah the is it him the alien portrait is there there is an actual picture of of

44:52

alien yeah he is that is his painting i don't know about the rest of the rest of them but there is one in there okay cool so i

44:58

kind of like that beat and i hate to say this because it i think feeds into what you're saying about what genre it is i

45:03

mean there's literally go to an art gallery where there's where there's monsters right um and it's so it's this horrific art gallery kind of thing i

45:09

feel like that is a foreshadowing of the night to come sure um but it's also ranch there's that there's that moving

45:15

statue or whatever you know

45:26

very inefficient way what are you uh oh okay yeah uh i'm just

45:33

remember but there were there was you know the other pictures of the concubines you know the oriental concubines on the wall it's so that's a

45:40

choice right like edward's choice um i don't know if it contributes to the if

45:46

it's foreshadowing in the night to come i'm going to give that credit to the writer right i think everything that

45:52

works is what they forgot to take out yup for sure from the original writer oh you

45:58

like that part crap we forgot to take it out um so fun and games then you're into the meat

46:03

of the story i don't know we need to go through every fun and games there's some there's some strange ones and setups and

46:09

this kind of thing uh i i have to say that for me the standout

46:14

performance like the one that i enjoyed watching the most was john larroquette's character i agree okay

46:19

uh john lerke i mean that's how john that was his comedy style you know

46:26

um but when yeah every time he was on the screen i was enjoying the movie um uh hit that so he was

46:33

he was sort of a bright spot now that being said as we get into the fun and games and you meet john larry kent's character the

46:40

crazy boyfriend you know or whatever to me it started to feel like uh and chris will know what this means and

46:46

we'll explain it but double mumbo jumbo right so you have the blind date okay and she's supposed to be the instrument

46:51

of chaos in his life but now you're gonna bring in a second instrument of chaos the

46:57

the ex-boyfriend right so the whole the way this movie is advertised is don't let her drink or

47:02

she'll go crazy okay well she does some of that at the party you know and uh for me the standout line at

47:09

the party was you know you know state of california you know you're entitled to fifty percent you know speak

47:14

english fifty percent of your husband's assets fifty percent you know that to me and that's probably left over

47:19

from the writer because that was a it was a good comedic beat yep you know anyway um but you're bringing in lara

47:25

cat now this crazy boyfriend and now you have two yeah i mean it's interesting like so i feel like if you're going on a blind

47:31

date part of the the danger of who who have they dated before right who are their other extras crazy so that's

47:36

that's i guess just looking at it that's how i kind of thought it was it was just this the crazy ex-boyfriend who hasn't gotten over so he's following her around

47:43

so actually that's going to contribute to this horrible you know this blind date gone horribly wrong um but i guess

47:49

to your point he's almost he's like he's crazier than her like he hasn't i guess as far as we can hasn't had a drop of no you know

47:56

he's never inflicted before yeah that's he's just a psycho he doesn't need any alcohol to turn into a cycle or a monster like her um

48:03

so yeah it's almost like at the it to your point at the premise of the movie is

48:08

what happens when she has too much to drink then that's all you need you've got to deliver on that not have well she kind of gets crazy but we got an

48:14

ex-boyfriend that's way worse yeah you can't have you're doing that because well

48:21

we ran out of ideas for her ideas of value for her yeah yes uh yeah he wanted more sight gags

48:27

more chaos yeah when he's chasing him right which i i like the the bit where he brazil steals the scarf a bit and then jumps

48:33

out and he has to run back in like that was funny i like that but then he like where did this guy get his license

48:38

right he can't he crashes into a three times three times yes crashed into a pet shop a paint shop and then i guess the

48:45

monkey stays in the car so then he covers up and covers his eyes and out of nowhere he was on the drive in the middle of the road as soon as that

48:50

monkey's you know two seconds crashed and enjoyed crashing into the paint store right and then later on like a flower factory or something like right

48:57

is that what it was because it's huh it was a flower baking flour not flour yes

49:02

correct yes yeah and that's blake edwards hey look the crash is funny you know okay all right

49:08

because i wasn't laughing at any of that like i was laughing at lara cat way he acted like yeah when he was talking uh

49:15

he would be talking and then he would uh when he would hear references to walter being with nadia are you gonna

49:21

drill her are you trying to drill her you know something a lot yeah that was funny yeah you could drill her you know the the first crash i was okay with like

49:28

that was funny and even the second one i'm like all right that's a bit cheesy that's enough and then you know let's do one more later on you know but but like

49:34

you were saying the the funniest thing to me was when bruce willis got in his car yeah and then he jumps out and then

49:40

okay now yeah it goes larry can't run so i didn't know what was going to happen so when bristol got in the car

49:46

for a split second i thought he's done he's out of here you two deserve each other i'm still in your heart i'm [ __ ] done and i'm out of here like i

49:53

thought he was just taking off i was like that's that's an interesting choice yeah i uh yeah because you know she was

49:59

annoying him in his own car right so i don't know i thought that was interesting um all right so what are we at we're on

50:05

midpoint now yeah we're well a couple more things about the front of the game so so again

50:11

it's not very weird to me they're at the uh gallery okay and i don't know if i can't

50:17

remember if bruce willis if walter tries to get more champagne or whatever

50:22

i don't remember but all of a sudden nadia pulls out this candy bar did this seem weird to you that she pulls out the skateboard i do candy and

50:28

she's like nibbling on this candy bar through the whole scene like like who what's an idea of value

50:33

that didn't land you know right because she's already had alcohol right so no uh no

50:39

no no they haven't had because he he does that at the music studio and that's after the art gallery yes yes yes so

50:45

she's just a weird character they're just getting to know you yeah and she's pulling out this candy bar and eating it

50:51

you know okay yeah well and that needed to happen okay because at the end and this is this

50:59

is the other thing that it just it all feels pasted on so at the end uh

51:05

bruce willis her candies we'll get to why she sends her candies in a second but yeah

51:12

before she he loaded him up with alcohol yep no i missed them yeah not that he loved him i missed the

51:17

introduction of the candy i did too off later well i'm thinking about it before i remember it i'm like

51:23

okay you center candies you're loaded with alcohol because you're trying to sabotage the wedding because you want to get back together with her or whatever

51:29

how in the hell do you know that she's going to eat all those candies right like you're sending them

51:35

how do you know that she's going to you know that was the setup you needed her to give you credit to the writer

51:40

so you set it up with this weird candy eating scene at the beginning

51:46

okay but but those are so far spaced apart i forgot and i'm sure a lot of people forgot like you forgot right yeah

51:54

what is the rule like they say three times right introduce it remind them and then the payoff right so they missed the middle one but the idea

52:02

that you're betting everything on her eating those candies seemed outlandish how are you gonna

52:08

we can get into that but his whole breaking the three and his plan to get her back was is yeah so weak and so

52:14

non-existent in my opinion okay like we'll get into that later but it was it was really rough yeah it was just like you're out dude go don't don't go back

52:21

well well i meant like i wanted to get into that i guess when we got there but yeah like is right so

52:27

oh yeah all right um yeah i mean we're trying to we're trying to shoot

52:32

water pistols when we want to shoot shotguns here okay sure well like i don't know what happened from shooting the shotgun i just wanted to shoot him

52:38

you know shoot the shotgun later on you know once my shots lined up i suppose yeah um yeah i can save it

52:46

um let's get to this there's this there twice this happened and it's almost like uh

52:53

the record label said we want to put some of our musicians in your movie and showcase

52:59

them and it slows the movie down so bad i'm like well yeah there yeah absolutely it's it's a

53:05

time lag right so they go to the studio and there's this stanley jordan i looked him up i i don't know that he ever became anybody maybe guitarists know who

53:12

he is yeah he's a based uh double yeah he's did you know who he was when you saw him or you looked it up

53:18

when i saw his face i was like i remember that guy from okay back in the day but yeah nowadays you'd have to he's

53:23

a very niche guitar player the amount of time they spent on on him

53:29

and then the guys in the disco uh club or whatever i knew they had the beaters yeah i knew they had who are they billy

53:34

vera and the beaters okay you knew that already i i they were big in the 80s i guess i think i wasn't a huge fan but i

53:40

definitely heard of them they haven't i don't know who any of them were but i knew the amount of time they were spending on them all right they got to be somebody right it still didn't serve

53:46

the movie well well but yeah okay so if you're going to do that and and this is where like now i'm at this

53:53

point in the movie i'm like okay well here's here's what you should have done and i'm thinking yeah right so if you have this set up then where you're going

54:00

walter is a wannabe guitar because he asked did you bring your guitar walter no that was why don't you have a guitar at

54:06

the studio okay here's a chance to see what walter is supposed to become and here's what he's

54:12

given up what he's given up what he's supposed to be and here's sitting right on the couch the agent of that change

54:19

yeah it would have been a yeah all the ingredients have that guy say something have him do something just

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show yeah show something yes all they have is that one weak little line you know no i brought something better than

54:30

a guitar you know yeah and then and then encourages her to drink now

54:37

if she refuses he encourages her that she likes him and wants to

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be with him so she acquiesces and this is what i'm talking about her sympathy she genuinely has discovered feelings

54:49

for him he seems to but he bound he bounces back and forth between

54:54

uh chivalry and just being a shitheal in my opinion and he and he sort of goes

55:00

back and forth because his treatment of nadia especially after she bailed him out like

55:05

his treatment of her is completely unsympathetic and we could talk about in a few minutes you know i thought that was again the

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beats are blurry i agree and i thought when he went to see her that would be like this breaking the three getting back together kind of thing and then

55:16

yeah so his reaction was not what i was expecting at all like once he learned that she had done this nice thing for him and build him up because if he'd

55:23

been reversed he's not filling her out you know right right um but yeah that scene was bad like it's

55:29

yeah the stacy was paying attention um to the movie and yeah she i think she was since it's you know

55:35

kind of i guess a romance comedy or whatever like she was the the most interested in these in this movie compared to the others that we chose so

55:41

she was at least entertaining the idea of watching it with me but once i got there like by this you know music studio

55:47

scene she was like this is boring yeah i couldn't disagree with her yeah you're right it's pretty rough things she does

55:52

i mean she watched the rest of the movie with me but and just by then she checked out and it was all negative after that everything she had to say

55:58

again i'm wrong but he says something like uh oh he looks because he said we have a half an hour let's i

56:05

got something we can do half an hour time to go to a studio buy champagne we got like two minutes to sit there so the

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story logic was off but then he says we gotta go right yeah and and before he says we gotta go he pours another drink

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here have another we gotta go have another drink and you know it puts pushes it on her or whatever you know yeah um because it needed to happen you

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need to lick her up because now we're going to this party and of course sure things you know it just all felt pasted

56:31

on like these are the things that need that these are the things that need to happen and so i like to have them as far as running

56:38

gags or jokes like it's not a gag the tearing of his suit i like that um she tears as soon as they walk in and then

56:44

right she trips or something yeah when they're going to the party and she pulls on his suit and tears it and then she

56:49

ends up um tearing the in the nice payoff the sleazebag co-worker she she's like hey what happened he's like when he

56:54

sitting on the table with him he's like yeah talking to bruce what happened to your suit and she goes oh it's a style it's a trend and she tears his you know

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like that's um i like that and then i think she does the boss too right tears the bosses so yeah i don't know i liked that bit i don't know why and i think at

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the time still into this movie was invested was hoping that like there would be something more to that like she's

57:12

literally like tearing his his world apart tearing it you know i guess i like that but i don't feel like it paid off

57:18

other than just you know well i think i thought i've been called back to the joke of tearing the stuff yeah i think

57:24

i don't think that blake edwards is a great writer so i don't think he messed with with dials any any snappy or

57:30

clever dialogue i think is probably a holdover from the writer yeah i would think not all of it is great so they

57:36

probably obviously had to change some things because they changed whole scenes and so many rewrites i guarantee they change

57:42

lines yeah you have to yeah once you cut out big chunks you gotta so i have some sort of lines in there and explain kind of what's going on but i think i'd be

57:49

willing to bet that some of that dinner scene some of that dialogue is still the writers i mean yeah probably you know or whatever

57:54

um i have down here absence of a b store i guess she is is his instrument of change

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yeah for sure you know right i mean it's done poorly but yeah she's definitely that's what i have is she's the b story

58:06

she's the one that comes into his life and and basically i think the note i have here is about she challenges every single rule like he's a very again going

58:13

back to this free spirit you know creative type he's traded that in for corporate and yeah rigid rule you know

58:20

living and she comes in and messes all that up you know women got another place and she's a free spirit herself and

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granted she's free spirit when she has alcohol or whatever but right yeah she feels like she seems almost uh homespun or fresh off the farm like when she's

58:33

eating the candy and stuff right so you can't get over this the way she ate that candy

58:41

she seems very sympathetic because she seems like a sweet person yeah uh

58:46

which we'll talk some more about that in a minute i guess or whatever um again a lot of you know more more

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sight gags uh i have down as the midpoint if there is one as a

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i guess a false uh defeat uh he gets he gets fired

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how do you get the important business guy divorced and walter fired yeah that's what i have yeah because the the dinner because this whole thing was about getting a date for the work dinner

59:10

and yeah it goes horribly right it's a disaster um yeah he gets fired and yeah the

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boss is now getting a divorce and giving up 50 percent um yeah that's what i have to do it's a false defeat yeah yeah i

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mean he gets he gets what he wants but he doesn't know it like he does not he needs to be out of that job but he still thinks

59:29

correct so that could be a false picture actually guess what he right i mean he gets what he wants rupert doesn't know it right you

59:35

know well yeah but i think i think you get everything that you think you want yeah yeah i i know you're right yeah no

59:42

you're right sorry yeah just the way you said it made me think about that but at this point he doesn't know he wants to get out of that job yeah he's trying to

59:47

do everything to keep it and get a promotion and get the yeah not get berated by his boss or you look like [ __ ] and

59:53

all that yeah so it's a definitely defeat yeah um and we'll get into this later but just for i guess those of you that don't know the snyder's beats so he

:: 00:01

has midpoint and later on he has an all his lost beat those are always opposite one's a false defeat and the other one is a false victory um some different

:: 00:08

movies will do it differently but they they can't you can't have two false victories or two false yeah if

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one's a victory the other one has to be defeat anyhow all right so at this point you start

:: 00:20

seeing bad guys close in and i don't know i don't know who the bad guys are

:: 00:26

i'll be honest with you it's just chaos right so another confrontation with a crazy boyfriend nadia sad and crying

:: 00:33

um david i guess walter tries to be sympathetic monkey in the car another crash

:: 00:39

the whole debate about unleaded gas went on too long i think um

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you remember i mean you know um then there was the scene where walter is waiting outside the women's bathroom

:: 00:52

this is the club at the club okay okay obviously the joke is

:: 00:58

you're a guy trying to get into a girl's bathroom and that's creepy whatever but this this scene again lagged at a

:: 01:05

glacier pace right i mean and there's no payoff it lags it moves along at a like a glacier and then there's no payoff

:: 01:11

yeah right you know like him getting him shows up right behind him here and that's the solution yeah right like you

:: 01:17

kept waiting for the guy to slug him or throw him out or something go you jerk and smash him you know slap him in the face none of that happens it just she

:: 01:23

shows up behind him and show she drinks his drink yeah cause once she stops drinking she can't stop i guess yeah and then there's more explaining to the guy

:: 01:30

at the bar still about the bathroom scene walter's mad wants to take her home but they dance it's the same scene twice yeah he

:: 01:36

explained it to him in the right outside the bathroom and then again at the bar which we have the whole her behind him

:: 01:41

deal but yeah they could have cut out the i don't know yeah it's just rough so much explaining yeah

:: 01:47

and um so then you want to take her home but then they dance and then there's again they're looking at each other so there's

:: 01:53

there's this trying yeah so off and on about yeah yes he is falling in love with her no he's mad and wants to you

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know it didn't seem like he was moving in a straight line it was just because he gets really mad soon i mean

:: 02:07

you know because they're dancing and maybe what they were going for and again i'm with you i don't think it was executed well but maybe

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the him he's got one foot in both worlds he's got one foot in the free spirit you know want to be creative

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you know and then the the corporate you know uh schmoe life so her him going back and forth

:: 02:26

between just letting go and being carefree and then also this is the way this night's got to go you know back and forth maybe

:: 02:33

i don't know i don't think it was executed very well but yeah that and also the supposed to be falling in love or whatever because they end up together

:: 02:40

which i feel like is so weak but anyhow yeah because i they they kiss and walter smiles that are seeming to be taken with

:: 02:45

her uh and then enter david again is the instrument of chaos you're gonna drew her yeah

:: 02:51

you know and again so that at that point i was interested because like lara quet was i just like him

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um oh there were some weird transition things there going on when they're dancing like to show i guess the passage of times they've been dancing for you

:: 03:02

know uh three days yeah like it was weird it did it not just once we did like three times i think you

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don't talk about it like maybe think of the scooby-doo ending type stuff the transition was so bad well i think it's to showcase billy vera

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and the beaters like they played like almost the whole song but yeah because uh i mean they make you know who's a big

:: 03:19

fan of them right no blake edwards i mean it might be i don't know but yeah they

:: 03:25

they they had so much time on cameos but again but to your point earlier about that's if you're going to showcase these

:: 03:31

musicians right and you got um one i thought i had about the backstory with him wanting to be like when did

:: 03:37

when would bruce willis do his bruno thing is this part of was that in the story already as part of walter's character was it something bruce wells

:: 03:44

wanted right that was just a thought i just remember what i had um but again if you're gonna if that's the story you're telling this guy

:: 03:50

you know has given up a life of being a uh you know guitarist you had these two music uh musical again they missed a

:: 03:57

golden opportunity to have these guys have a moment with him or have him look at them on stage and go man i wish i was

:: 04:02

doing that or you know some i don't know however you do it right i'd have to sit down and think about it you could you could have

:: 04:08

you could have had something to pull it back to the future right you know uh oh i hurt my hand you know you

:: 04:13

can't play guitar so marty gets up there and plays guitar right you mean you know they could have been playing music and

:: 04:19

like sorry folks we got to stop our guitarist you know whatever and everybody bumped out and yeah and i'm gonna do it oh that would've been great

:: 04:25

come on that's brilliant right there you see i'm saying anyway but it's not a psychic it's not funny it's not funny it's not a sight

:: 04:31

gag right so okay but you could make it one we're right in this movie um so you have that happen yeah now we're in and then and then the crazy boyfriend shows

:: 04:37

up why he's on stage this is a point when the podcast episode turned into two hours i was gonna say

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yeah anyway it's noon yeah ten minutes for an hour um

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yeah so so she wants to go to a party and they this is when his car gets stripped this

:: 04:54

is when the the girl gang shows up and robs him robbed by a female gang

:: 05:00

with a gun oh i gotta have you know there's i made a note about this it's so weird the gang shows up it's all females which

:: 05:06

is cool i guess right and then she i remember nadia tries to say something and one of the female gang

:: 05:11

goes or i think uh versus characters yeah shut up shut up nadia right because he's trying to explain to him with the

:: 05:16

the gang and then one of the female games goes yeah shut up [ __ ] i just it was so weird to me like it was

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so like pulled me out of the the scene i just i don't know made a note about it and then the cops show up they're

:: 05:28

running off and they question him and give him a sobriety why she's drunk off her ass behind him it was an okay sight

:: 05:34

gag but he was doing all the same things yeah he wasn't operating a motor vehicle yeah he was standing outside his car

:: 05:40

that had just got robbed it was just it was a sight gag total it made no sense right it was there

:: 05:45

because edwards thought it would have been funny and it you know so much doesn't have anything to do with

:: 05:51

the story per se as a tacked on sight gig that's that was my chief feeling

:: 05:56

i have to we'll move on from this but she wants to go to a party they pull up to this house are you sure this is the

:: 06:02

address yeah yeah well she's obviously bullshitting him or whatever because there's nobody at the house but the

:: 06:07

house gets pulled away towed away why and how did she know that or she didn't she just picked a random if so

:: 06:13

you can have the sight gag of the house being dragged away right i mean what's what point that's all it did which as a

:: 06:20

sight gag i thought that was that was one thing that that was funny like i didn't see that coming but 100 percent like is what robs it of any

:: 06:26

credibility is how did she know that yeah it turned into like a naked gun yeah yeah it's 100 like it were directed

:: 06:32

naked gun did he i bet he did um i don't think he did [Laughter] uh

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but yeah so walter crashes nadia's friend's party which i thought was kind of cool yeah

:: 06:44

and he loses it and i thought that was going to be a uh a false victory uh all his last moment initially but i don't

:: 06:50

think it is well and see here's the thing yes his life has been dismaled okay you're in my life i'm gonna ruin

:: 06:56

yours yeah right which i thought was was kind of mean-spirited right because her

:: 07:01

freaking out was she even says earlier you know a genetic reaction to alcohol so as long as she

:: 07:07

don't drink alcohol she's fine but you gave her alcohol so are largely responsible for making

:: 07:12

her do that she did what she did because of a chemical reaction you're doing what you're doing because you're you are mad

:: 07:19

and want to get revenge on her which i thought was mean spirit like well i just thought it was funny i thought he was

:: 07:25

funnier than her i'm sorry yeah so it definitely means spirit but again i guess where i thought it was the story was going it was going to be a false

:: 07:31

victory where he gets everything he thinks he wanted you in my life pay here you know i'm going to pay you back and then realize oh crap i've been a

:: 07:38

complete you know [ __ ] yeah no that's not the way the story went and then but i mean come on man we got one of the

:: 07:43

best sight gags in the whole thing you know olive cleavage who doesn't want that well that's so ridiculous i was like

:: 07:48

what is going on no he's not going does he yep he did okay right right uh so it's all just you know sight gags um

:: 07:55

so then he winds up in jail and the next day ted picks him up but he finds out nadia has bailed him out he is

:: 08:01

angry for nadia at naughty for bailing him out which i guess is reason enough to go and

:: 08:07

now and now she's like hungover and like so after all of this

:: 08:12

she still feels and this is why the sympathy swung away in her direction in my opinion she still feels bad

:: 08:18

and does kind things like spend ten thousand dollars to get him out of jail

:: 08:24

and as we'll learn is willing to marry uh

:: 08:29

david yeah okay so that he'll represent him and and she won't he won't go to jail and then and

:: 08:35

then again looking at it with modern eyes i guess it was funny or whatever because i like kim basinger's reaction but

:: 08:42

you know uh she says uh okay i'm married we have to have sex you know like she makes this

:: 08:48

disgusting i mean i thought she that was to me was like that i really enjoyed that moment fine but no kissing no kissing right so

:: 08:56

so i'm laughing at that i'm up but i'm also thinking every man in this movie pushes himself on this poor woman

:: 09:02

drink this alcohol we're gonna you gonna do this i'm gonna make you marry me and yes i'm gonna you know yeah uh but she's willing to do

:: 09:09

that which i'm sure edwards was not going for he was going for the gag but

:: 09:15

but but this makes her sort of a noble person right oh for sure yeah like yeah

:: 09:20

that's where i thought you know she's the bee story and she's the one that's making him change it just wasn't done very well because again when he goes to

:: 09:26

talk to her you know you know and you know why'd you bail me out and i just tell me how much you do in any way yes

:: 09:31

don't mean just how much you owe me or how much i owe you and then i never want to see you again like i thought that scene would turn into him you know

:: 09:37

turning a corner no he just doesn't and then there's they have this weird again i guess i understand it now with the

:: 09:43

gags but he kicks the bed the weakest bet on the planet earth bad

:: 09:48

i guess the silk sheets or maybe the angle of the bed she keeps sliding down and has to i think i wrote it down for conveying

:: 09:54

the actress like she's got to keep working herself up to the top because she keeps sliding out of frame right towards the bottom i wrote a weird scene

:: 10:00

that's the weirdest pop in the pool no no i've ever seen in my life i i wrote it down this weird crawling around scene

:: 10:05

yes yeah you know why she's trying to deliver her lines and it was yeah

:: 10:11

yeah i like pope in the pool so pope in the pool is when you have the characters or something interesting going on why there's exposition um so yeah i wrote

:: 10:18

this down as a pope in the pool because they're having this conversation which should have been interesting enough on its own but yeah they have this weird

:: 10:24

bad thing it's so it's so weird yeah um then so and then even when he's uh

:: 10:32

after he's been declared not guilty you know okay uh that's always lost is what i wrote down false victory yeah that's what he

:: 10:38

thinks he wants right yeah i guess so i don't anyway yeah so

:: 10:43

he he gets free right over he pawns his guitar to go visit her but she sends him

:: 10:49

this note saying you know i hope you can forgive me and i'm sitting there thinking

:: 10:54

him forgive you you know you need to forgive him uh he needs to

:: 10:59

be asking you you know and i guess this is what turns him around because he pawns his guitar he buys the chocolates

:: 11:05

loads them up full of alcohol and sends them off yeah it's all off screen we don't see that what the the his breaking

:: 11:12

the three and his turning around is dark knight right yeah no no no no you don't see any of that yeah see him get she gets a note you see him

:: 11:18

he's walking back in the studio with his guitar so you can tell that that's changed that's a visual change but it's a very brief scene yeah the next scene

:: 11:25

he's already he's already broken it three because he's got his plan he's loading up the chocolate there's just a real quick scene where nadia calls

:: 11:31

terrible and you know david asked about you yeah he's doing fine should i tell him you're doing fine yeah tell him i'm

:: 11:36

fine and that's it i mean so i guess that was the transition you know of them

:: 11:43

feeling bad or him feeling bad because when he was walking with his guitar i'm like okay he's becoming the person he's supposed

:: 11:49

to be correct i didn't think he was pawning it i thought he was gonna go play or something yeah and and and then

:: 11:55

have some plan to get her back or whatever uh you know show up at that could have been a callback where the have the music the

:: 12:01

the guest guy the guitar player show up again and have him break it yeah i've been breaking the three yeah man that's what he will always be doing oh he's

:: 12:08

practicing in the studio for a song and he goes to the wedding and does uh you know uh say anything moment with this boom he

:: 12:14

was gonna go there i just remember this i thought he was gonna go there and like somehow smuggle himself in and be the the guy that's playing at the wedding

:: 12:20

okay better even still better than what they did then there's just ran around from a dog

:: 12:25

all night so scared he's at the head in the pool house when let the chocolates do their work terrible

:: 12:31

well she doesn't eat the chocolate still like the next morning or working out yeah so he goes and he bet everything on the

:: 12:38

chocolates knowing is she going to eat them enough of them is she even going to eat them yeah they're not going to be you know some kid's going to find them

:: 12:43

yeah sure but the whole you guys were looked like a play the whole balcony everything there was you could cut that

:: 12:49

out it wouldn't matter because they're really mean to that dog too nothing happened in that scene except gags yeah

:: 12:54

and they're really mean to that dog like he's doing what he's supposed to be a stranger and they're all yelling at him it's like eggs that's all

:: 13:01

the bit about the which i understand it now i'll just talk about the site gags and the director know who he was but the

:: 13:07

two biggest moments that pulled me out of the movie like what the hell just happened was the olive cleavage yeah and then the butler mooning the dog yeah well yes

:: 13:16

what the [ __ ] just happened there like really like what is going on is he pulling his belt off is he gonna what what always yeah i thought he was

:: 13:22

gonna like try to spank the dog with his belt and i'm like yeah let's see how this goes and then he pulls his feet i'm like well the dog sees the butt and thinks

:: 13:28

it's something to bite and and that's how he gets back in this case i thought he was going to wave a slim jim at you guys

:: 13:34

no but that's blake edwards okay yeah i wish i wish i'd taken a picture of the wife's face when she saw that you

:: 13:39

know like what is going on yeah and then he holds onto the gate and swings yeah also you can see a butt that

:: 13:45

that's that's edwards i can't guarantee it um yeah so

:: 13:51

and then and then and then this whole so he's there and nothing happens during the

:: 13:56

the balcony scenes it's all just like she doesn't eat the chocolates he doesn't do anything it's just for sight

:: 14:02

gags then she does this speech you know should a person who doesn't love somebody have to marry somebody well

:: 14:08

let's take a vote oh my god the driest most boring way to do that and then uh david comes out or walter comes out and

:: 14:16

says hey and then they dive into the pool and reunite yeah you know he's absent from his entire third act of his

:: 14:22

story sure if he's the main guy yes completely abs and you know he does the chocolates sits back hides in the pool

:: 14:29

house from the dog yes so there's no time or whatever yeah for no reason and then at the very end goes oh yeah i guess i should show up for my my own

:: 14:34

movie yeah just uh yeah pretty bad i i and

:: 14:40

there is some movie that does a long setup of two two star-crossed lovers i

:: 14:46

guess they died or whatever or they jump into the water and reunite in the water there is a movie that uses that

:: 14:53

overboard okay overboard is one but i thought there was an i was thinking of another one that took place at night or whatever

:: 14:58

but yeah it might have been that way actually yeah just hang on jack i never let go

:: 15:06

overboard i bet you it is overboard because to tell that story they set it up and then when they do it yep it makes

:: 15:11

it's perfect here there was no foundation in the fields yeah no i didn't give a [ __ ] i was hoping they drowned

:: 15:17

why are you jumping into the water why are you jumping because it's there yeah yeah that's why the only thing i come up with is visual because they jump in

:: 15:23

separate and they come up together but like that's yes yes but there's no foundation for that that it's a completely different read

:: 15:28

i think i even said god that's stupid yeah

:: 15:34

no setup unless it was some holdover from the original script that had set up or whatever i can't imagine you know

:: 15:41

uh the only setup i can think of is the john laraquette's character's mother was chipping golf balls into that pool

:: 15:48

before the wedding maybe it had something to do with yeah that that's the only setup i could think

:: 15:53

of as pool but his own white dimpled balls in the pool i don't know right anyway

:: 16:00

yeah so there's lots of people getting knocked into pools um yeah well the guy the the the waiter one point at the

:: 16:05

party and then they knocked the priest into yeah well somebody falling into a pool is funny chris i mean oh right

:: 16:11

right okay anyway uh and then the closing scene

:: 16:16

with the the coke which i thought was clever uh and them having a scene at the end you know where he's playing his guitar

:: 16:22

and stuff yeah and again they could have set that up i mean i think we've talked about that a thousand times but like she could have asked him to play for her

:: 16:29

earlier on yeah sure a million ways and then maybe she asked him about that we're writing the movie remember she asked him did you bring a guitar oh no i

:: 16:35

didn't yeah then now the payoff he's playing for her but yeah i got like there there's no blind date too because

:: 16:41

she drank some more i mean and like killed him or something like this that's a crazy relationship i i couldn't

:: 16:47

imagine the next day or the next year of their relationship what that would even look like that

:: 16:52

looks like chaos well we're supposed to believe that they are really are in love

:: 16:57

this is supposed to be a romantic comedy like at the end you are supposed to be glad uh

:: 17:03

that they're together right i mean um so you think it's a monster in the house poorly done yeah i i

:: 17:09

yes and i think that that the monster always been slayed slayed or yeah

:: 17:15

subdued because of the coke and you can still have a gremlin a a gizmo right that doesn't even make sense because the

:: 17:20

the breaking the three for a monster from the house would be the hero finding way to defeat the monster right so and this way of defeating the monsters gives

:: 17:26

him more alcohol more alcohol yeah yeah yeah uh in hopes that that this will disrupt the wedding

:: 17:33

uh why are hiding the poor house well i hide while i spend all night running around and there is this this gimmick

:: 17:38

and it's done in a lot of movies of people running in and out of doors uh avoiding each other yeah um

:: 17:46

i did want to jeffy chase did it better sure uh i did want to say a sort of as a way of

:: 17:53

closing or whatever screwball comedies are a genre okay like they're they were big in the 70s

:: 17:59

whatever but i don't know if you've ever seen uh uh what's up doc with um

:: 18:05

what's uh barbra streisand and um and bugs bunny uh ryan o'neill o'neil

:: 18:12

uh it is a screwball comedy that has a lot that that is almost about

:: 18:18

this okay so yeah brian o'neill is a straight laced geologist wife just

:: 18:25

super tight and and uptight and in comes barbra streisand as the chaos character literally the bugs bunny

:: 18:32

what's up doc you know uh the instrument of chaos and she dismantles his life to the point of

:: 18:38

burning a hotel down okay yeah that's the one that uh snyder references in his yes and and

:: 18:45

it broke evenly right at the midpoint that movie is perfect in terms of an instrument of chaos

:: 18:50

bringing change to a character and and by the end of the movie you want them to be and are glad they're

:: 18:56

together and it's part it's almost pitch perfect okay it is very good i like that uh

:: 19:02

that is essentially because because essentially it's blind date because he winds up spending an inaudible she

:: 19:09

keeps inserting herself into his life anyway this kind of thing can be done well and i think if you're looking for that kind

:: 19:15

of movie you should look at uh yeah but those are typically older right so i just i wonder if i wonder like this

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movie killed the screwball company you know what i mean like there weren't any more after this i don't know this for a while at one hour all right just so yeah

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yeah so i think i think i think i've said everything i wanted to say about this movie uh the only thing uh by way of wrap up

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usually we can talk about trivia or whatever i don't i think this whole movie is trivial i don't know that we need to really spend a lot of time i'm

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going to do our recommend past yeah uh whatever it was yes um so

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i think i think you know what i'm going to say i'm going to give this one a real hard pass i i yeah this was not

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yeah the same same it's a pass for sure is it wrong that i i got distracted by

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all the vehicles in the movie i didn't even pay attention to the story sometimes because i'm like well i like

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that car i like that car um but yeah it's a pass yeah i i

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i would i would think just as a novelty purpose alone to see bruce willis in his very first moving thing

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it was i'd recommend it for bruce willis fans to see where he started yeah is that why

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you picked it i was going to ask you that well yeah i'd never say why'd you pick this movie james i had never seen it previous my girlfriend she

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had seen it said yeah we got to watch it so i watched it bruce willis first thing i agree with y'all it's a disjointed

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weird movie yeah yeah it's the spots where you think you're supposed to have fun it's more of a huh what what's

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happening here what is going on yeah i'd recommend for fans to seek it out just for novelty

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purposes but your general average one time viewing it yeah it's more than don't go pay money for it

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it's it's on your streaming platforms don't pay money for it the the only p i just remembered this and i

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didn't want to say this the only piece of trivia that i found really interesting david's office when nadia is talking to him about hiring him

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uh mario blah blah i'd need to go back and look because i didn't see it at the time but it i read

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the trivia about it the camera pans in david's office and it shows out david's window well outside

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that window in view is under construction the fox building which less than a year later bruce

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willis was going to tone die hard on yeah yeah okay so i need to go back and and see that scene because i want to see

:: 21:35

that fox building outside his window uh that you know literally bruce willis was going to film die hard and just probably

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yeah and that's kind of the reason i picked this movie was you got die hards you've got armageddon

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you've got all these bruce willis movies this was a fun one to see man

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they just hadn't figured it out yet you can see the spark of him in there but it hadn't been figured out yet yeah no i

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i don't know if y'all did this but i kind of like pre-rated these before i watched them all or ranked them i guess as far as how i thought i would enjoy

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them and yeah this before was not bottom and it is now for sure like i guess i i thought i would

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enjoy it a lot more than i did i'd never seen it so i was looking forward to it yeah all right young bruce willis you know a fun you know

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rom-com type thing and yeah i i just had this i really thought i enjoyed it i was disappointed maybe i did like it when i

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first saw it maybe i just i don't know all right we done with this one i think so all right i don't have closing theme

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music uh so i can insert something later or we can figure something out later uh to end

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the show or whatever we don't have theme music so bye there you go

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okay i'm married we have to have sex it's very very light on story and heavy

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on the front inside i just want to praise the movie too okay all right let me let me just say this

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and he doesn't want you to remember his name and he actually it's like disavowed it yeah okay

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leave my name out your mouth it's like well where's all my jokes man

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where's all my jokes uh he i think he took the money and he left the building because the check was

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over yeah looking for gold in the dungheap as far as the theme goes

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oh oh you like that part crap we forgot to take it out